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All of the stated above, come join us in the new region of United Soviet Eternal Area. We are proud Balshiveks, led by our leader Usea-Jason. If you are fed up wit the lies of dempcracy and capitalism then join us! HAIL THE SOVIET MOTHERLAND AND THE NEW BALSHIVEK ERA!

you spelt bolshevieks wrong. what about animalists, are animalists, are they welcome?

First of all, your poor spelling and grammatical skills are slightly annoying. If you want to advertise, I would suggest working on that: You find people respond better to eloquence. Secondly, you refer to yourselves as communists, but three fifths of your region are dictatorships. Communist dictatorship just doesn't work. The USSR for instance; They weren't communists. Lenin was a Marxist, sure, but once he got sick and Stalin took over, it was downhill from there.

First of all, your poor spelling and grammatical skills are slightly annoying. If you want to advertise, I would suggest working on that: You find people respond better to eloquence. Secondly, you refer to yourselves as communists, but three fifths of your region are dictatorships. Communist dictatorship just doesn't work. The USSR for instance; They weren't communists. Lenin was a Marxist, sure, but once he got sick and Stalin took over, it was downhill from there.

***Claps generously*** Thank you.

How dare you refer to my homeland as going down hill! You insolent American! You have the nerve to insult us!? You are are just some pathetic, little weak nation to us anyways, but you need to learn to place your respect! Stalin was a great man and a great leader, the problem was you stupid Americans and your Humanitarian laws that made our great empire look bad, it was your countries fault that we collapsed becuase you knew you could not win a war with us, so you used the cheapest form of warfare....propaganda....you make me sick capitalist....

Calm Down Comrade.First off,Most of the Leaders of the U.S.E.A. are Democratic Soviet States,Not dictatorships.Second,One of those nations is my sisters,do I could keep a Eye on her.Third, S.R. you may have been misguided,Yet you Heart is in the right place.You are a real bolshevieks in Our eyes.

Usea-Jason the Creator and UN Delagate of The United Soviet Eternal Area

This guys are crazy.

Calm you should become, Master Yoda.

MDH

you sill havent answered if animalists are welcome.

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it is time to realize the death of russia and the re birth of china and poland

The fucking Chinese? What do you call that? Communism Lite? The Chinese are insults to the name communism! You do not realize that the Bolshivek party will rise back up from the ashes of what the capitalists call Russia! Plus, what the fuck does Poland have to do with this? Poland is anothe puppet of the Americans. Now you all need to shush yourselves. This was a simple message for all Communists, and I mean real communists, not for a group of dickwads like you to try to judge nations that are superior to you.

The fucking Chinese? What do you call that? Communism Lite? The Chinese are insults to the name communism! You do not realize that the Bolshivek party will rise back up from the ashes of what the capitalists call Russia! Plus, what the fuck does Poland have to do with this? Poland is anothe puppet of the Americans. Now you all need to shush yourselves. This was a simple message for all Communists, and I mean real communists, not for a group of dickwads like you to try to judge nations that are superior to you.


First off, allow me to point out to you comrade that your name-calling can result in punishment by the mods and I hope you do not start flaming (arguing beyond the point) because that too will get you in trouble. I just wanted to make sure you knew so that you dont get into any trouble there.

Now, as for Russia and all that jazz, China is no more Communist under Mao as Russia was under Stalin. Soviet Russia is declared "Stalinist" because it abandoned the Communist Manifesto and very adaquently set up a ruling class led by Stalin to exploit the commoners. Stalin was a murderer, there is no doubts there and as far as Communism went, it died in Russia with Lenin.

I personally am a Socialist. I want you to know that before you start yelling at me for being a capitalist propaganda machine. If you look at how Marx truely understood Socialism, you will understand that Capitalism is a necessary prelude to a working Socialist state. The reason why I agree with the fact that Russia bottomed out in the end is the fact that socialism doesnt work if the society moves from Aristocratic--> to Socialist. In fact, Stalin helped it go straight back to Aristocractic by becoming in many ways the new Czar of Russia. A society must make a stop in at Capitalism to build up and energize the industry so that a socialist government can rise from it and use that industry for the greater good of the people.

Trust me comrade, I want to believe that the Soviets were working for the workers, but they simply werent. I think that we socialists and communists now must learn from the mistakes of the past and make a better world- a Socialist world - out of it.

The Marx Doctrine is what you follow? I do not follow socialism, I follow the Leninist Doctrine created at roughly the same era, the Bolshivek Revolution. Then perhaps comrade we can become allied.

Well as creator of the U.S.E.A. I think you would make a good addition to it Ekathora.As for S-R,You are a bit too umm.....Exitable.No offence bet,Lay off the caffine.

I beleave in a Democratic Socalist State were the Economic monarcy of Capitolism is demolished and the People are in charged.All of them.

Silly Stalinists/Leninists.

Stop putting the ruin of communism down to Stalin! Stop putting communism down to Marx! Marx is not the father of communism, and the Russian revolution was brutally destroyed before Stalin ever came to power, and before Lenin died- indeed, he helped to murder it.

Why, citizens of the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth [of Beth Gellert] ask, in a billion years, would communists and sovietists ever go anywhere near Bolshevists?

...adding, no doubt: Comrades! You are being mislead! Stand for the power of the soviets, not that of the parties!

Communism and Sovietism are inherently incompatable with Bolshevism (and presumably with Balshevism, too).

Stop putting the ruin of communism down to Stalin! Stop putting communism down to Marx! Marx is not the father of communism, and the Russian revolution was brutally destroyed before Stalin ever came to power, and before Lenin died- indeed, he helped to murder it.


On more than one point- I agree. The true reason I believe communism in Russia fell was because it was an Aristocratic society attempting to jump the stage of capitalism and begin a "socialist" state. However, due to the lack of an industry (brought forth by the stage of Capitalism or Bourgeoisie rule), the new government was unable to get underway. (I agree also that Lenin and Stalin greatly helped the downfall as well)

However, Stalin did solidify the ruin of Soviet Russia in many ways. And if Marx is not the father of communism, than please specify: who is?

Stop putting the ruin of communism down to Stalin! Stop putting communism down to Marx! Marx is not the father of communism, and the Russian revolution was brutally destroyed before Stalin ever came to power, and before Lenin died- indeed, he helped to murder it.

Why, citizens of the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth [of Beth Gellert] ask, in a billion years, would communists and sovietists ever go anywhere near Bolshevists?

...adding, no doubt: Comrades! You are being mislead! Stand for the power of the soviets, not that of the parties!

Communism and Sovietism are inherently incompatable with Bolshevism (and presumably with Balshevism, too).

Exactly. Thankyou. :)

Hold on,Hold on,So you LIKE having a Economic Dictatorship ruleing your Country?!?

Wait just a minute--what the heck are we arguing on anyway? The fact that SR spelt "Bolsheviks" wrong, the fact that Communism in Russia was shot to hell even before Stalin came to power, the Communism vs Socialism issue, or the fact that SR is up on caffiene?

As for the entire issue, I say we :sniper: shoot it down and just :fluffle: get along. Whaddaya say? Both kinds of government (Capitalism and Socialism) are equally as good--however, Bolshevik Russia jumped the gun by trying to build a socialist country by skewering Marx's ideas. They could not build such a nation only on agriculture alone--this is why they almost got their asses shot off during the first World War--they were woefully underequipped, untrained, and altogether unprepared.

And let's face it--because of that fact, the only two well-known nations on the globe who are still Communist are Cuba and China--and you can't even call Cuba a communist nation with Fidel Castro as its "dictator." Almost every other country on the earth is either capitalist or has a capitalist economy (which could differ from the type of government).

As for the entire issue, I say we :sniper: shoot it down and just :fluffle: get along. Whaddaya say? Both kinds of government (Capitalism and Socialism) are equally as good--however, Bolshevik Russia jumped the gun by trying to build a socialist country by skewering Marx's ideas. They could not build such a nation only on agriculture alone--this is why they almost got their asses shot off during the first World War--they were woefully underequipped, untrained, and altogether unprepared.

And let's face it--because of that fact, the only two well-known nations on the globe who are still Communist are Cuba and China--and you can't even call Cuba a communist nation with Fidel Castro as its "dictator." Almost every other country on the earth is either capitalist or has a capitalist economy (which could differ from the type of government).

If I could stand up and clap I would have done it! Thank you. I agree on most points. That is what I was trying to say in so many words. I am so impressed that I will be forced to ask; Are you in any particular position to want to come to a region in which you could discuss things like that? If not, I understand completely as many people would rather just not. I would be glad to see you and the others of this thread and those who may not be posting but agree to come by my region as well. (check sig)

As for this discussion, the USEA has recently informed me that they have broken relations and succeeded from their previous region. That may answer some of the questions of "why are they back bickering?" This is because those they trusted in their former region called themselves loyal to their ideals but rather wished to exert their control over the region and forced those now in the USEA into nations being oppressed. This enlightened me as to why they would be such anamosity at this time.I hope that the new region of USEA will be able to move on and create a region in wish there will be fair distribution of power and live up to what these nations want out of their region.

I can't move my Karpoich-Ocon nation--I prefer Aarmania too much.

However, I'll move my Scorpianka nation to your region.

For future reference, if you people were genuine Bolsheviks and Communists, you would not be complaining about democracy, you would be talking about how we don't actually have it. That is all.

This thread is fucking brilliant:p

What's funniest is that you keep calling the Soviet Remenats guy SR, and the SRs in Russia were a political group (Socialist Revolutionaries) opposed to the Bolsheviks and eventually done away with by Lenin. The Russian revolution was certainly rushed into (pardon the expression), even Engles said that if you had a revolution too early you'd just end up with a dictatorship.

ooc-B/c SR is easyer to type than Soviet Remenats.Simple

No worries, UJ--Lengastan is just making a historical connection. Considering the topic we are discussing, it's a valid connection.

True....

And now, a message from Alexander Marcus,
leader of Whylandia...

Alex: Why can't we all just f***ing get along?
Random Employee: Um, you can't say that to the leaders of all these nations...
Alex: You're fired.

lol True,True

I have a question, did Marx ever mention direct democracy in any on his wrtitings, I see that as the only true way to get the power into the peoples hands

No. He mention that one day the workers would rebel against the upper class and stuff like that.

I don't know, I'm not a Marxist. Likewise, most Beddgelens have never read Marx, but are enthusiastic communists. This returns to my earlier point that Marx isn't the lord god of communism and communist thought... that's why his communistic works are called Marxist, not just communist.

Still, folling Icelaca's comment, it is direct democracy through the Soviets and referenda-driven accountability of public servants that fuels the Igovian political community. This -communism, sovietism- can not be reconciled with the patronising and destructive structures of Bolshevism.

Er, this doesn't mean that people can't move to the advertised region, I'm just chipping in with hopes that such people won't honestly be taken in by reactionary association of communism with the Bolshevism that tried to destroy it. For those involved in role-play on the forums, it is only fair to warn that the six billion Igovians are likely to come for Bolshevist leaders with knives out ;)