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If your answer is yes, you should join the UCFN, the ultimate anti-UN coalition. We are a great region, and we are fighting the UN. Of course, UCFN is not just your average anti-UN coalition. There are other good reasons to join, such as our forum (http://s13.invisionfree.com/UCFN_Headquarters), which is one of the best regional offsite forums in all of NS. Of course, it is new, and if you have a suggestion on how to improve it, the suggestion is welcome. We are open to all political ideologies, as long as the nation is not in the UN, and is anti-UN.

If your answer is yes, you should join the UCFN, the ultimate anti-UN coalition. We are a great region, and we are fighting the UN. Of course, UCFN is not just your average anti-UN coalition. There are other good reasons to join, such as our forum (http://s13.invisionfree.com/UCFN_Headquarters), which is one of the best regional offsite forums in all of NS. Of course, it is new, and if you have a suggestion on how to improve it, the suggestion is welcome. We are open to all political ideologies, as long as the nation is not in the UN, and is anti-UN.

We've always been rather curious just how anti-UN regions like this supposedly engage in "fighting the UN". Beyond muttering profanities at it and casting it the occasional really nasty look anyway.

And then there's the Gatesville approach, which is apparently to bring down the UN by joining it and voting on resolutions the way THEY want to! Kind of like everyone else in the UN... except they throw in a "take that you dirty UN!" as far as we can tell.

What are we missing here?

We've always been rather curious just how anti-UN regions like this supposedly engage in "fighting the UN". Beyond muttering profanities at it and casting it the occasional really nasty look anyway.

And then there's the Gatesville approach, which is apparently to bring down the UN by joining it and voting on resolutions the way THEY want to! Kind of like everyone else in the UN... except they throw in a "take that you dirty UN!" as far as we can tell.

What are we missing here?

Agreed. I'm going to turf out my 'We Hate Rachel Green Club' analogy again here.

Agreed. I'm going to turf out my 'We Hate Rachel Green Club' analogy again here.

Yeah right. I mean you can't wage war on the UN...your talking about hundreds...if not thousands of nations. Anyone who tried to wage war on the UN would get their asses handed to themselves on a silver platter (or plastic, whichever is better).

I am a rouge tribe of the LORC (Land of Requiem's Children).

I am already tied to a nation. I also have no intention of being controlled by outsiders, no matter what they stand for.

For those w\o conflicting loyalties, I would suggest they look into it.

And a few notable nations have stood up to the UN and are winning\not loseing (they will win as soon as the UN is dissolved).

Err can i just point something?

You want to fight the UN by uniting nations and opposing any descison the UN makes together, as one... Surely then your just starting a new UN, under a different name?

Yeah right. I mean you can't wage war on the UN...your talking about hundreds...if not thousands of nations.

At last count... 30,922.

And a few notable nations have stood up to the UN and are winning\not loseing (they will win as soon as the UN is dissolved).

Could you elaborate on how exactly they're "winning/not losing"? Or even fighting or standing up to the UN at all for that matter besides what we've already commented on? That's the part that seems to be eluding us.

And the UN can't be dissolved... so...

I am a rouge tribe of the LORC (Land of Requiem's Children).

I am already tied to a nation. I also have no intention of being controlled by outsiders, no matter what they stand for.

For those w\o conflicting loyalties, I would suggest they look into it.

And a few notable nations have stood up to the UN and are winning\not loseing (they will win as soon as the UN is dissolved).

How can the UN be disolved? It's part of the Game Mechanics and disolving it would be in violation of the Game Mechanics. So i doubt that the UN will EVER be disolved. I think that those who are attempting to disolve the UN don't have a clue what they are doing and are futile in their attempt. But thats just my personal oppinion...

The UN has no effect whatsoever on non-UN nations. You should also bear in mind anti-UN rhetoric has got nothing on the stuff spewed from within the institution. Anti-UNites are, in my opinion, childishly missing out on the most dynamic element of NS. Their loss.

If your answer is yes, you should join the UCFN, the ultimate anti-UN coalition. We are a great region, and we are fighting the UN. Of course, UCFN is not just your average anti-UN coalition. There are other good reasons to join, such as our forum (http://s13.invisionfree.com/UCFN_Headquarters), which is one of the best regional offsite forums in all of NS. Of course, it is new, and if you have a suggestion on how to improve it, the suggestion is welcome. We are open to all political ideologies, as long as the nation is not in the UN, and is anti-UN.
Gatesville is anti-UN, and Gatesville is the largest player-made region in the game. How can you be ultimate?

We've always been rather curious just how anti-UN regions like this supposedly engage in "fighting the UN". Beyond muttering profanities at it and casting it the occasional really nasty look anyway.

And then there's the Gatesville approach, which is apparently to bring down the UN by joining it and voting on resolutions the way THEY want to! Kind of like everyone else in the UN... except they throw in a "take that you dirty UN!" as far as we can tell.

What are we missing here?
Forget Gatesville. They don't do it right.

Gatesville is anti-UN, and Gatesville is the largest player-made region in the game. How can you be ultimate?
How the quality of a region is not measured by its size. In fact, many people avoid large regions like gatesville just because of their size. Gatesville is nothing.

The UN has no effect whatsoever on non-UN nations. You should also bear in mind anti-UN rhetoric has got nothing on the stuff spewed from within the institution. Anti-UNites are, in my opinion, childishly missing out on the most dynamic element of NS. Their loss.
Don't give me this pro-UN propaganda.

Forget Gatesville. They don't do it right.

That certainly answered the question... we thank you for the enlightenment you have bestowed upon us.

Err can i just point something?

You want to fight the UN by uniting nations and opposing any descison the UN makes together, as one... Surely then your just starting a new UN, under a different name?
Not really. The UCFN PROTECTS nation sovereignty. We are not really uniting nations. We want to beat the UN fools. their resolutions take away sovereignty.
Up yours, UN scum!:upyours:

That certainly answered the question... we thank you for the enlightenment you have bestowed upon us.
WE do it right though.

WE do it right though.

Another cornucopia of information and explanation. You are far too generous with your instruction good sir.

Another cornucopia of information and explanation. You are far too generous with your instruction good sir.
Are you being sarcastic?

Are you being sarcastic?

Now what would give you that impression? What need for sarcasm would we have following your comprehensive and insightful responses to our requests for information...

-snip-

I still don't understand one thing. How are you "fighting" the United Nations? The UN doesn't have any armies of it's own. It's part of the game. It can't be disbanded.


So how Exactly are you fighting the UN?

As for your anti-UN stance, the 30,000+ nations are quaking in their boots over the thought of being overtaken by the five of you. And your plans to declare war on UN regulars who don't roleplay? Inspired. Let us know how that works out. [no godmodding, now ...]

Up yours, UN scum!:upyours:
Knock off the flaming rhetoric. It's not amusing.

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Not really. The UCFN PROTECTS nation sovereignty. We are not really uniting nations. We want to beat the UN fools. their resolutions take away sovereignty.

Ah. The UCFN is the one protecting national sovereignty. And here I was thinking it was the NSO, the members of which have passed a number of pro-sovereignty resolutions and plan to pass more. Silly me.

And a few notable nations have stood up to the UN and are winning\not loseing


Which ones?

Not really. The UCFN PROTECTS nation sovereignty. We are not really uniting nations. We want to beat the UN fools. their resolutions take away sovereignty.


Ok - you do know the UN is optional and if you don't want to be in it, you don't have to, right?

Okay - not a single nation in your region is IN the UN, so how do you plan to defeat it? You can't submit proposals, you can't vote down ones you don't like and you can't repeal ones you don't like either.

Does anyone else see King Canute standing on the edge of the water yelling "stop. stop"?

Ah. The UCFN is the one protecting national sovereignty. And here I was thinking it was the NSO, the members of which have passed a number of pro-sovereignty resolutions and plan to pass more. Silly me.
Well, at least I'm not the only one who was thinking that.

Oh, and I've got news for you. In order to, as you put it, "fight the UN." You've got to do it from inside the belly of the beast.

Ok - you do know the UN is optional and if you don't want to be in it, you don't have to, right?
Does not mean the UN is not evil.

I still don't understand one thing. How are you "fighting" the United Nations? The UN doesn't have any armies of it's own. It's part of the game. It can't be disbanded.


So how Exactly are you fighting the UN?
In more than one way.

In more than one way.

You do realize that this sort of answer only lowers the credibility of your movement.

In more than one way.
Ok then, in what ways exactly are you fighting the UN?

In more than one way.

When I say EXACTLY, I mean HOW. Not some short one lined responce that is worth nothing to me. And i do agree with Gruenberg. Your answer damages your credibility and shows the rest of the NS World that your organization can't damage the UN at all. It's a waste of time really.

Which ones?

Well, the incedent in Korea has not been fully resolved. And then there is the middle east, maybe.

It wouldn't be difficult to oppose the UN, or to make the UN look foolish, defeating it is the hard part. One could start by creating a massive army of "illiegal" weopons, such as land mines, nukes, anthrax,mustard gas; then to start oppressing the nations around you and becomeing overall, not a team player (ie Godmodding and getting away /w/ it), overall it is a dumb but feasable concept.

Just like Mutaully Assued Destruction, secret weapons stockpiles, UNPKOs etc...

Well, at least I'm not the only one who was thinking that.

Oh, and I've got news for you. In order to, as you put it, "fight the UN." You've got to do it from inside the belly of the beast.
thats a fat lie.There are many methods

thats a fat lie.There are many methods

As is readily apparent by the extensive listing of such methods which you have provided here. Good show.

When I say EXACTLY, I mean HOW. Not some short one lined responce that is worth nothing to me. And i do agree with Gruenberg. Your answer damages your credibility and shows the rest of the NS World that your organization can't damage the UN at all. It's a waste of time really.
I don't see you running a non-corrupt organization no matter what you are. And when you ask "how", do you think that Swilatia is going to cough up our plans against the UN? Don't think so because he is not stupid.
Leave him alone about what he can't do.

Forget Gatesville. They don't do it right.


You're damn right they don't. Their way of fighting the UN involves banning those in their own ranks who they percieve as competitors to their own rank. It's nothing more than a country club of self-obsessed power hogs. The tyranny they fight, they hold dear!

Does not mean the UN is not evil.

So, let's start performing a logical analysis of your stance:

Material Fact: The U.N. is a voluntary cooperation which exists by the determination of entrance of its multitude of member-states.

You say the U.N. is evil? In what way?

1. Is it evil because UN members have choosen (through exercize of their sovereignty) to voluntarily enter into the union? If so, how does this make your organization any less evil?

2. Does your protection of sovereignty then extend as far as denying the sovereign right of states the capacity to enter into the voluntary union known as the United Nations?

3. How is the decision of a state to make the sovereign determination to remain a rogue state anymore sovereign than a state executing the same decision in the opposite, into entrance into the UN member-body?

4. What points, exactly, make the UN "evil"?

Well, the incedent in Korea has not been fully resolved. And then there is the middle east, maybe.

It wouldn't be difficult to oppose the UN, or to make the UN look foolish, defeating it is the hard part. One could start by creating a massive army of "illiegal" weopons, such as land mines, nukes, anthrax,mustard gas; then to start oppressing the nations around you and becomeing overall, not a team player (ie Godmodding and getting away /w/ it), overall it is a dumb but feasable concept.

Just like Mutaully Assued Destruction, secret weapons stockpiles, UNPKOs etc...

You're confusing UN's.....

That is the Real World UN; we're talking the NationStates UN.

Err can i just point something?

You want to fight the UN by uniting nations and opposing any descison the UN makes together, as one... Surely then your just starting a new UN, under a different name?

I think this is the most relevant point :headbang:

6 nations... wow, what an amazing region this is...

I'm in the Alliance of Dictators, we're anti-UN in principle, but we don't feel there's any point 'fighting' it, we just vote from time to time against proposals which we feel restrict the rights of sovereign nations to do wahtever they damn well like...

4. What points, exactly, make the UN "evil"?

The whole point of nationstates is to form a nation with your own political views. The UN convinces people not to form their own views but instead follow the views of the masses. It is the most evil thing you can do on a political sim.

Plus, they invade regions and split up groups of good friends.

This is an outdated advert. just leave it to die.

I don't think it was ever breathing.

I'll be the first to admit, that most of my nations are a bit anti-UN. I mean what sane individual wants an extra-governmental body, made up of unelected officials, telling them what to do. Also i admit that my personal RL politics causes me to cast a jaundiced eye on the UN. However I have found, rather like Don Flib, Hotrodders, Gruen, and Shaz have stated, the best way to fight the UN is from the inside of the beastie. Also being part of an organization dedicated to promoting proposals and resolutions geared to steer the UN in the direction you want(NSO, UN DEFCON, and FAIRTRADE come to mind.) So in other words, stop standing outside throwing a bunch of damned rocks, and yelling slogans, and get inside with the knives to slay the beast.

Originally Posted by Tekania
4. What points, exactly, make the UN "evil"?

The whole point of nationstates is to form a nation with your own political views. The UN convinces people not to form their own views but instead follow the views of the masses. It is the most evil thing you can do on a political sim.

Plus, they invade regions and split up groups of good friends.

Bah, thats not evil. Forcing schoolchildren to eat ketchup and a vegetable in their government funded school lunches is Evil.:p