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Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but I was wondering whether the UN is still located in Stephistan, or whether it was moved when Stephistan went defunct. Now that the nation is back up and running, is the UN established there again?

If not, Ariddia is willing to house it. ;)

That's very kind of you.:)

Honestly, you should probably just TG Steph and ask her. And you may want to chat with the nation "UN Building Mgmt" as well. It's in the region "The halls of the UN".

Good suggestion. Thanks. ;)

I'd never heard of that nation, but I'll send a TG to Stephistan.

We only took over day to day operations of the UN building recently, so it's understandable thet you might not have heard of us. And as to your question, We've been so busy dealing with what goes on inside the UN building, we haven't had any time to deal with anything reguarding the exterior including where the building is located.

William Smithers
Senior VP, UN Building Mgmt.

You should write yourselves an NS wiki article. ;)

Anyway, I'll let you know when I hear from Stephistan.

You should write yourselves an NS wiki article. ;)
I plan to, but first I need to finish off the article on my main nation. (and no, I'm not telling which one it is)

I plan to, but first I need to finish off the article on my main nation. (and no, I'm not telling which one it is)

Would you mind if I told Ariddia?:D

Would you mind if I told Ariddia?:D

I wouldn't. :p

huh, iThought the location of the UN buildings was in role play university.

huh, iThought the location of the UN buildings was in role play university.

Wasn't that Stephistan's former region?

Wasn't that Stephistan's former region?

Wolfish was the Founder, but yeah, Steph was there for a long time. Then RPU closed and Steph moved to Nasicournia. Then she was gone for a while. Then she came back.:)

Would you mind if I told Ariddia?:D
And what makes you think you know who I am?

I've received a reply from Stephistan. The UN buildings were never actually in her nation, but in the region Role Play University. Which is now closed.

So... Unless there are any objections, it seems the UN can relocate to Ariddia. ;)

We only took over day to day operations of the UN building recently, so it's understandable thet you might not have heard of us. And as to your question, We've been so busy dealing with what goes on inside the UN building, we haven't had any time to deal with anything reguarding the exterior including where the building is located.

If you are where these buildings are located, shouldn't you be in the UN?

Fine, Ariddia.

I object.

Fine, Ariddia.

I object.

I also object. I certainly don't have anything against Ariddia, but I do think that The Hack and Frisbeeteria and "The Halls of the UN" region should be considered first.:)

I also object. I certainly don't have anything against Ariddia, but I do think that The Hack and Frisbeeteria and "The Halls of the UN" region should be considered first.:)

Nevermind that. I just don't like the idea in any case. The UN being located in Stephistan was always more of a joke. I don't see how Ariddia hosting the UN would contribute anything positive to the game.

If that sounds unfriendly, then I apologise. I too have nothing against Ariddia. I just don't like this, personally.

Gah... I don't like you. :p

I suggested it simply because no-one else has ever seemed interested. If someone else is, then that's different, and we'll see. But if no-one is, and it's a choice between them being in an unspecified location and them being in Ariddia, then why not?

Oh, no offence taken, by the way. ;)

Gah... I don't like you. :p

I suggested it simply because no-one else has ever seemed interested. If someone else is, then that's different, and we'll see. But if no-one is, and it's a choice between them being in an unspecified location and them being in Ariddia, then why not?

Because:

1. there's no point;
2. I dislike the idea of someone monopolising an important aspect of UN RP;
3. there's no way everyone would recognise it;
4. there's no point;
5. if you cease, then we have to relocate;
6. if you decide to change something about your nation, we would all be obliged to respond;
7. it would mean retconning 200 pages of the Strangers' Bar;
8. there's no point.

And, actually, I chose to answer here, but I'm not sure I should have. The UN is a democratic institution, and I reserve the right to withhold my reasoning. And, on this matter, as with all others, I will have my say.

NO.

EDIT: Sorry, I realize I'm coming off a little abrasive. I simply don't see any value in your suggestion.

Because:

1. there's no point;

That's a matter of opinion. It makes far more sense for them to be somewhere than for them to be nowhere. There may be no point for you, but some may see an RP point to it. It makes it more practical to know where the UN actually is. Besides, in that case, it shouldn't have been anywhere in the first place.


2. I dislike the idea of someone monopolising an important aspect of UN RP;

Now that's just silly. I have no intention of "monopolising" anything. Stephistan didn't go around monopolising RP, to my knowledge.


3. there's no way everyone would recognise it;

So? Unless there are counter-claims, that doesn't matter. Not everyone explicitly recognised Stephistan's claim. But there was no counter-claim.


5. if you cease, then we have to relocate;

That already happened with the RPU. Which is why it's now relocating. ;) Besides, I've been here for a long, long time. I've got a population of almost 5.5 billion, and I have no intention of ceasing anytime soon. (Nor do I intend to get myself deleted. In all the time I've been here, I've never so much as received a minor warning from the mods).


6. if you decide to change something about your nation, we would all be obliged to respond;


A fair point, I suppose. Though you wouldn't actually be "obliged" to do anything. If you don't want to RP all about it, you can simply consider the UN is in Ariddia and leave it at that. I don't think many people RPed their delegates going to the RPU. Besides, I've got my nation the way I like it, and have no intention of changing it.


7. it would mean retconning 200 pages of the Strangers' Bar;

Why?


And, actually, I chose to answer here, but I'm not sure I should have. The UN is a democratic institution, and I reserve the right to withhold my reasoning.

You're perfectly free to do so. :)

EDIT: Sorry, I realize I'm coming off a little abrasive. I simply don't see any value in your suggestion.

That's ok. It's just that, from my perspective, I can't really see what the problem is. Even if it doesn't "add" much to the game (which is debatable), it certainly doesn't detract from it.

That's a matter of opinion. It makes far more sense for them to be somewhere than for them to be nowhere. There may be no point for you, but some may see an RP point to it. It makes it more practical to know where the UN actually is. Besides, in that case, it shouldn't have been anywhere in the first place.

They are somewhere. They're in Stephistan.

Now that's just silly. I have no intention of "monopolising" anything. Stephistan didn't go around monopolising RP, to my knowledge.

Precisely. Which is why should remain there. There is little danger of her suddenly doing funny things with her nation with regard to the UN buildings.

So? Unless there are counter-claims, that doesn't matter. Not everyone explicitly recognised Stephistan's claim. But there was no counter-claim.

Looks like there just has been...

That already happened with the RPU. Which is why it's now relocating. ;) Besides, I've been here for a long, long time. I've got a population of almost 5.5 billion, and I have no intention of ceasing anytime soon. (Nor do I intend to get myself deleted. In all the time I've been here, I've never so much as received a minor warning from the mods).

Good for you. Not a guarantee, though.

A fair point, I suppose. Though you wouldn't actually be "obliged" to do anything. If you don't want to RP all about it, you can simply consider the UN is in Ariddia and leave it at that. I don't think many people RPed their delegates going to the RPU. Besides, I've got my nation the way I like it, and have no intention of changing it.

Again, not a guarantee. It's less affirmable than the idea that nothing will really happen in Stephistan.

Basically, my objection is that at present, everything works fine. For some people the UN buildings are in Stephistan, for some they're...in wherever the UN buildings are. Changing that puts an onus of obligation on some to RP that. I know it'd be fun for you to host the UN, but it wouldn't make a smack of difference to the rest of us, except that we'd have to change our (admittedly infrequent) references to where we are. It would detract from the game simply because it would add an extra dimension of confusion.

You are free, of course, to go ahead. But we would ignore it, and I would hope other UN members would, too.

EDIT:


That's ok. It's just that, from my perspective, I can't really see what the problem is. Even if it doesn't "add" much to the game (which is debatable), it certainly doesn't detract from it.

Well, I am debating it, and I am debating that it doesn't add much to the game. In which case, the only point to it would be self-gratification on your behalf. Which seems kinda pointless to me.

They are somewhere. They're in Stephistan.


No, actually, they're not. She's told me so herself. As you can well imagine, and as I said earlier, I checked with her. (I originally thought, like you, that they *were* in Stephistan.) I'm not going to quote what she told me in a private telegram, but in essence she said the UN wasn't in Stephistan, but that it used to be in the RPU region, which is now defunct.

Which... adresses the rest of your post, I believe.

I'm not asking you to RP your UN ambassador being in Ariddia. You can continue to write as if the location were unspecified. Most people did that when it was in the RPU. Heck, you're more than free, obviously, to consider that it *is* unspecified; I'm not out to impose something on you (and neither was Stephistan). I'm just going to leave this thread open for further comments for a few days, in any case.

Ok. I would like the UN buildings to be in Gruenberg.

Ok. I would like the UN buildings to be in Gruenberg.

LOL. I've been wondering whether you were going to do that. Nice try.

I think I can safely say you wouldn't have made the claim had I not made mine. Nobody can prevent you from roleplaying them being in Gruenberg, but I'm not going to recognise a suggestion made for the sole purpose of countering mine. As you can well imagine.

Of course. Why should anyone recognise either of our claims?

I think this is something best left alone. There's no point to it, no need for it, no gain from it. Let's just leave it.

Of course. Why should anyone recognise either of our claims?

I think this is something best left alone. There's no point to it, no need for it, no gain from it. Let's just leave it.

I'll think about it. Seriously. And, perhaps more importantly, I'll check back on this thread over the next few days to see if anyone else has any input. But in any case, even if I do claim the UN is located in Ariddia, I won't be expecting everyone to recognise it in their RPs. It can simply provide a setting for those who want one, since at present there isn't one and no-one else has suggested one.

Thank you for your comments, anyway.

If you are where these buildings are located, shouldn't you be in the UN?
We don't consider ourselves to be an actual nation, we're just the management for the building itself. (besides the person behind this nation has a nation in the UN already)

Um...if you look at the region Role play university...

"Role Play University is perhaps re-opening"

Why not just say the UN building is on an autonomous island all by itself (along the lines of a Vatican City island)? I don't really see the need for a specific host anyhow.

Why not just say the UN building is on an autonomous island all by itself (along the lines of a Vatican City island)? I don't really see the need for a specific host anyhow.

Thank you. In fact, I don't see the need for the autonomous island. The UN buildings are just...yeah. Doesn't really matter, does it?

What? Do you mean to say that the main UN buildings in fact aren't in Stephistan?

Well, if they're not... they should be. ;)

who cares?? The important thing is that there in UN, where it is is a secret. It might be in a secret base, underwater perhaps...

Maybe I'm a little late, but I'd like to throw my input in here as long as there's a thread still floating around. I think there's a couple of you who take yourselves way too seriously. So what the fuck, if Arridia makes a claim to hosting the UN, I'll be happy to recognize it, even though I'll probably be the only one.

Doesn't each nation have it's own UN building?

Doesn't each nation have it's own UN building?

Yes. However, it is assumed the General Assembly requires somewhere to meet. There would also need to be offices for the Secretariat.

Yes. However, it is assumed the General Assembly requires somewhere to meet. There would also need to be offices for the Secretariat.

But in the NSUN, since when have we had a General Assembly or Secretariat?

But in the NSUN, since when have we had a General Assembly or Secretariat?

We always have. Resolution #2 in fact makes mention of 'the Assembly'. The Secretariat includes the Compliance Ministry, and also administrators who run UN organizations such as UNAIDS or the IRCO.

We always have. Resolution #2 in fact makes mention of 'the Assembly'. The Secretariat includes the Compliance Ministry, and also administrators who run UN organizations such as UNAIDS or the IRCO.

Doesn't "the Assembly" just refer to the body of UN nations? Also, when you get the telegram, it seems like the "Compliance Ministry" is part of yournational government. The UN organizations are minor bodies, so could be located in any UN building for a country.

Doesn't "the Assembly" just refer to the body of UN nations? Also, when you get the telegram, it seems like the "Compliance Ministry" is part of yournational government. The UN organizations are minor bodies, so could be located in any UN building for a country.

The General Assembly has always been assumed to have referred to a physical entity. Speeches have been made to the GA before, and when the UN buildings were hosted by RPU, the GA was located in a 'really big hall'. The Compliance Ministry is not part of your national government; it is a branch of the Secretariat. And several UNOs are vast, and would require significant manpower. Furthermore, locating them in potentially partial nations could prove dangerous.

This is all RP, of course. But what Ariddia is suggesting is an RP entailment. (Oh, and FO? Damn right I take myself seriously.)

For those that are interested in the history of all this...

A long while ago, Stephistan was the UN forum moderator (prior to becoming a game-mod), and both her and I were very active in the NS-UN.

It came up one day that the UN required a home to provide a basis for the speeches and meetings and so on...and there was a great deal of debate over what region should house the physical entity of the NS-UN.

Role Play University - which at the time was considered somewhat "outside" of NS...existing to serve players, but never to engage in play itself - was chosen as the host region.

RPU was, subsequently, host to puppets from some of the most powerful players - and moderators - who provided a certain level of protection to the region, as we were more likely to attract invaders and the like.

RPU formally disbanded, though the region was kept alive so no one else could claim the name and turn it to something it wasn't.

When we wrapped up the formal activites of RPU, I posted on the forums that RPU should no longer be considered the official home of the NS-UN, and while there was some debate over where it should be housed, I don't believe a final decision was ever made, though I could be wrong.

W.

Right, thank you Wolfish. Having reread the old thread, I think I understand it a little better. Offers were made by Nationstates and The East Pacific, but as far as I know nothing actually happened. It is worthy of note that at all times regions, and not nations, were discussed.

I believe that it has always been a "regional" location - thus avoiding the debate over a specific nation's politics - not to mention potential death, invasion and the like. A region, while moral, is more robust.

Indeed. The debate in this thread centred on a nation. But, it looks like Ariddia has left the thread, so presumably it's over.

So what the fuck, if Arridia makes a claim to hosting the UN, I'll be happy to recognize it, even though I'll probably be the only one.

Thank you.

I intended to reply here yesterday, but I still hadn't quite made up my mind, and I wanted to think it through thoroughly. After a lot of hesitation and thinking, I've decided to maintain my claim. I'm going to consider that the main UN buildings are indeed located in Ariddia, but obviously I won't be expecting everyone to recognise that.

This will simply give those who want it a location to use in any roleplay. Those who don't want it can simply continue to not specify any location. That way, everyone's happy.

Wolfish, if the RPU is restarted, or if some sort of interregional debate re-emerges over the issue, feel free to let me know. But for now, since there are no other claims, since this won't be a problem to those who simply wish to ignore the claim, and since it will provide a location to those who want it for RP purposes, I see no reason for me not to consider that the UN is in Ariddia. I won't, however, be editing the UN NSwiki page to indicate it, at least not until and unless this gains momentum and becomes recognised by a significant number of nations.

Thank you all for your input and comments. They gave me a lot to think about.

I would suggest the reason you're looking for is that thus far, you have sought the consent of fewer than ten UN member nations, out of over 30,000. And support from them has hardly been unanimous.

Maybe you should leave the Wiki out of this until a decision is reached?

Maybe you should leave the Wiki out of this until a decision is reached?

Well, as I said, I have no intention of editing this into the UN article until and unless it attains broad support. I had intended to mention it in the Ariddia page, but all right, I won't do that for now, and not for at least a few days.

we really need a decision. Let's get that to a region instead of a nation...