NationStates Jolt Archive

This has probably been suggested before, but I'm new here, so I'm going to suggest it again! Hopefully this is the right place for it. :D

I was thinking that it would be cool if two UN's were opened, one for NationStates' conservative fanbase, one for its liberal fanbase. Each UN would pass resolutions and debate topics separate from one another, and the economic situations of the average nation in each could be compared. All that this would require would be a duplicate of the current United Nations on nationstates.net and an extra forum. Conservatives that feel greatly outnumbered on this site, like me, could move to that, and pass resolutions or reject resolutions that appealed to a more conservative base. If this would at all be possible, that'd be cool, but if not, just call me a moron and close the thread. :)

Not sure how that would work. Creating a separate UN for different political beliefs would only further segregate the world as a whole. The whole point of the United Nations is to bring nations together, conservative or liberal, for the common good.

Technically speaking, I'm pretty sure it's been answered before, that this type of thing wouldn't happen. A suggestion for creating an "Anti-UN" has been shot down before, though I've never heard of this type of suggestion.

Well, the reason I'm suggesting this is because the current UN isn't really out for the common good, it's out for the common good in the eyes of the majority, which, at the moment, leans greatly toward a liberal agenda. If conservatives were the overwhelming majority on this site I would totally support (and be interested in) another UN dedicated to a more liberal agenda, but that's not the case right now.

Well, the reason I'm suggesting this is because the current UN isn't really out for the common good, it's out for the common good in the eyes of the majority, which, at the moment, leans greatly toward a liberal agenda. If conservatives were the overwhelming majority on this site I would totally support (and be interested in) another UN dedicated to a more liberal agenda, but that's not the case right now.

If you really want to get conservatives more active, I'd suggest that all of you start voicing your opinion more often in the United Nations forum. Saying that the UN isn't out for the common good is really a political opinion, rather than looking at the situation as a whole. I'm sure that the liberals believe that they are doing the best that they can for the good of the UN, but again, that's just a political opinion. Just because you aren't the majority of this UN, doesn't mean that a new UN should be created, just for conservatives. That defeats the purpose of working together for a compromise.

That's not what I said... or at least I didn't think that's what I said. My point is that the liberal fanbase of the UN is out for the common good according to their beliefs, not the common good as it exists beyond the boundaries of politics. No matter how much we speak out - and, believe me, I've been speaking out a lot, which my 140 posts in the ten or so days I've been at this site should show - we are not going to sway enough of the liberal members of the UN to overturn the ratio of liberals to conservatives when it is already so overwhelming. I would guess that for every conservative on this site there are at least four liberals, if not more. Working together is difficult, considering that the conservatives are forced to argue with so many different people at once to get their point across, and considering the simple fact that almost no one who votes on UN resolutions reads the forums to begin with. Arguing when the majority never hears you is all but a lost cause. If you truly want to see compromise, perhaps a UN should be formed that only allows people with two-hundred or more posts to join, or something of the sort.

That's not what I said... or at least I didn't think that's what I said. My point is that the liberal fanbase of the UN is out for the common good according to their beliefs, not the common good as it exists beyond the boundaries of politics.

And conservatives aren't out to promote their own political beliefs? It goes both ways, in my opinion, especially with controversial issues.

No matter how much we speak out - and, believe me, I've been speaking out a lot, which my 140 posts in the ten or so days I've been at this site should show - we are not going to sway enough of the liberal members of the UN to overturn the ratio of liberals to conservatives when it is already so overwhelming. I would guess that for every conservative on this site there are at least four liberals, if not more. Working together is difficult, considering that the conservatives are forced to argue with so many different people at once to get their point across, and considering the simple fact that almost no one who votes on UN resolutions reads the forums to begin with. Arguing when the majority never hears you is all but a lost cause.

Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done about that. Conservatives need to stick united in the United Nations and do the best that they can to promote their own beliefs, and hope to sway some liberal voters to their own position, after all, if you promote objectives that are good for both the world as a whole, they should respond with interest.

If you truly want to see compromise, perhaps a UN should be formed that only allows people with two-hundred or more posts to join, or something of the sort.

The amount of posts one has doesn't necessarily say how much you've been involved in the UN. After all, someone could have 1,000 posts, and have 0 in the UN forum itself. Generally speaking, I don't think its a good idea.

And conservatives aren't out to promote their own political beliefs? It goes both ways, in my opinion, especially with controversial issues.

Once again, I didn't say that. Of course we're out for our own political beliefs. My point is, when the majority of the people think one way, they are not supporting what's best for all, but what's best for all in their eyes. Conservatives and liberals can't argue properly when the votes are so one-sided. If the only people they had to argue with were themselves, on either side, people would be more scrupulous in what bills they chose to pass and reject, despite the political ring each one had.

Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done about that. Conservatives need to stick united in the United Nations and do the best that they can to promote their own beliefs, and hope to sway some liberal voters to their own position, after all, if you promote objectives that are good for both the world as a whole, they should respond with interest.

Well, it's not as much a problem of them not responding to interest with generally beneficial plans, but with them automatically responding with interest to more liberal-sounding plans. Such would be the case if conservatives ruled the site, as well.

The amount of posts one has doesn't necessarily say how much you've been involved in the UN. After all, someone could have 1,000 posts, and have 0 in the UN forum itself. Generally speaking, I don't think its a good idea.

Fair enough, but perhaps it could be restricted to the number of posts an account has in a specific section, such as the UN. That still would not be perfect, but it would surely help.

All I can really say to you is that there are issues that liberals are even divided on, as well as conservatives, and that in specific issues in which liberals are divided on, conservatives need to stay united in their stance. There are some issues in which some of the more 'conservative liberals' would agree with the conservative side of NS. My suggestion is to expose such issues, and gather more UN nations to your side, at least for those issues. Despite the more populous liberals, conservatives on this site have a lot to do in order to put more conservativism back into NS. It just means that you, as well as the rest of the conservatives, need to debate harder, prove your facts, speak intelligently, and especially without insults, and in time, some sort of change will occur, whether its major, or minor.

u know what would be a good solution to this is to just form an alliance for conservative nations on NS...it could be called...Alliance of Conservative Nations!!!..it'll be great!...plus it'll stop this debate!

but since nobody else will probably agree w/ me seein as how i rarely ever post on this forum even though ive been around for three years..jus w/ differnt nations....i should probably jus stop talkin but y when everyone else jus rambles on about nothin...well at least thats what most people think because nobody takes the time to listen to anyone elses ideas and views on things..but anyways im really gonna stop now..lol

I just suggested that Pimp Headquaters... that's why I posted this thread... *sighs* It's easy to have a "just stick together" attitude when you aren't the one that is on the side that rarely succeeds, Euroslavia, but I didn't think this thread would come to anything, anyway, and thank you for your replies.

Rogue Newbie, wanna start a conspiracy instead?

It's always more fun to just circumvent the official channels. :D
And more effective!

*Whispers* Seriously, I'm not joking. We could take them all. Telegram me.