NationStates Jolt Archive

Categories of Government Types and Freedoms (includes Economy)
I stumbled upon this in the Civilization 3 forums under "Other Civilizations", in the Apolyton forums.

Chart of every government on the political scale!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/nspoliticalmap.jpg


NATIONS OF THREE HIGH FREEDOMS

1. Anarchy (All freedoms high)

NATIONS OF TWO HIGH FREEDOMS, ONE MEDIUM FREEDOM

2. Corporate Bordello (Medium Social, High Economic, High Political)
3. Civil Rights Lovefest (High Social, Medium Economic, High Political)
4. Capitalizt (High Social, High Economic, Medium Political)

NATIONS OF ONE HIGH FREEDOM, TWO MEDIUM FREEDOMS

5. Left-Leaning College State (High Social, Medium Economic, Medium Political)
6. Capitalist Paradise (Medium Social, High Economic, Medium Political)
7. New York Times Democracy (Medium Social, Medium Economic, High Political)

NATIONS OF THREE MEDIUM FREEDOMS

8. Inoffensive Centrist Democracy (All freedoms medium)

NATIONS OF TWO HIGH FREEDOMS, ONE LOW FREEDOM

9. Free Market Paradise (Low Social, High Economic, High Political)
10. Left-Wing Utopia (High Social, Low Economic, High Political)
11. Benevolent Dictatorship (High Social, High Economic, Low Political)

NATIONS OF ONE HIGH, ONE MEDIUM, AND ONE LOW FREEDOM

12. Libertarian Police State (High Social, Medium Economic, Low Political)
13. Scandinavian Liberal Paradise (High Social, Low Economic, Medium Political)
14. Compulsory Consumerist State (Medium Social, High Economic, Low Political)
15. Right-Wing Utopia (Low Social, High Economic, Medium Political)
16. Liberal Democratic Socialists (Medium Social, Low Economic, High Political)
17. Conservative Democracy (Low Social, Medium Economic, High Political)

NATIONS OF TWO MEDIUM FREEDOMS, ONE LOW FREEDOM

18. Moralistic Democracy (Low Social, Medium Economic, Medium Political)
19. Democratic Socialists (Medium Social, Low Economic, Medium Political)
20. Father Knows Best State (Medium Social, Medium Economic, Low Political)

NATIONS OF ONE HIGH FREEDOM, TWO LOW FREEDOMS

21. Iron Fist Socialists (High Social, Low Economic, Low Political)
22. Corporate Police State (Low Social, High Economic, Low Political)
23. Tyranny By Majority (Low Social, Low Economic, High Political)

NATIONS OF ONE MEDIUM FREEDOM, TWO LOW FREEDOMS

24. Corrupt Dictatorship (Medium Social, Low Economic, Low Political)
25. Iron Fist Consumerists (Low Social, Medium Economic, Low Political)
26. Authoritarian Democracy (Low Social, Low Economic, Medium Political)

NATIONS OF THREE LOW FREEDOMS

27. Psychotic Dictatorship (All freedoms low)

LEFT-WING

Left-Wing Utopia
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
Iron Fist Socialists

LEFT-LEANING

Civil Rights Lovefest
Left-Leaning College State
Liberal Democratic Socialists
Libertarian Police State
Democratic Socialists
Corrupt Dictatorship

BALANCED
Anarchy
Capitalizt
New York Times Democracy
Benevolent Dictatorship
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Tyranny By Majority
Father Knows Best State
Authoritarian Democracy
Psychotic Dictatorship

RIGHT-LEANING

Corporate Bordello
Capitalist Paradise
Conservative Democracy
Compulsory Consumerist State
Moralistic Democracy
Iron Fist Consumerists

RIGHT-WING

Free Market Paradise
Right-Wing Utopia
Corporate Police State


(--)Economic -----------Political Freedoms----Civil Rights(-- )
(15)Frightening---------Corrupted------------Widely Abused
(14)All-Consuming-----Widely Abused-------Frightening
(13)Powerhouse-------Excessive -------------Excessive
(12)Thriving-------------World Benchmark----World Benchmark
(11)Very Strong--------Superb-----------------Superb
(10)Strong--------------Excellent---------------Excellent
(09)Good----------------Very good-------------Very Good
(08)Fair------------------Good-------------------Good
(07)Reasonable--------Average---------------Average
(06)Developing---------Below Average------Below Average
(05)Struggling----------Some------------------Some
(04)Weak----------------Few--------------------Few
(03)Fragile---------------Rare-------------------Rare
(02)Basket Case-------Unheard Of-----------Unheard Of
(01)Imploded-----------Outlawed-------------Outlawed



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400=Sometimes Deadly
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500=Deadly
700=Superior Gamer
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This NEEDS to be a sticky!

It's going in my Emporium of Helpful Threads in any case. :D

What does the second to last table mean? Specificially what is (RT)

What does the second to last table mean? Specificially what is (RT)

*looks around and sees no RT. Walks away whistling.*

But seriously, that was a mistake, and now its gone. ^.^

*bows down to Euroslavia's genius again* I'm book-marking this!

Hate to spoil the party, but isn't the economy rating the amount of production, rather than the amount of economic freedom?

Hate to spoil the party, but isn't the economy rating the amount of production, rather than the amount of economic freedom?

Yes, you're right. The reason that the word "Freedom" is used is basically just to give you an idea of each specific goverment type, and what you need to get it. The word freedom is used loosely and is not literally meant to describe the economy.

*thumbs up*

and this was in a Civilization forum why??

and this was in a Civilization forum why??
There was a forum for "Separate Civilizations", meaning other games. Nationstates was within that subcategory. Odd...I know.

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wow, this'll come in helpfull


now i know how severe some stuff is

This is a great sticky.
Thanks, Euroslavia!

Good one.

I'll copy it to my home region's forum.

Yes, this was definitely needed! Good job Euroslavia; keep up the brilliant work!

Sticky It Mods!

There are some problems, such as your categorization of government types with the levels of freedoms for each (such as 1 high 2 low ect). An example of this would be that a Capitalizt government type can have low political freedoms.

There are some problems, such as your categorization of government types with the levels of freedoms for each (such as 1 high 2 low ect). An example of this would be that a Capitalizt government type can have low political freedoms.


Any government, in a sense, could have 'low political freedoms', however, the majority of Capitalizt governments have a medium amount of freedoms in the game.

Any chance you could add the graphical map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/nspoliticalmap.jpg) of un classifications to make this thread a one stop shop?

Thanks, these forums have been a lot of help.

Any chance you could add the graphical map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/nspoliticalmap.jpg) of un classifications to make this thread a one stop shop?

Forgot to say earlier, added! ^.^

Thank you so much for posting this - I'm letting every one in my home region know about this thread - us being the newbies that we are, we've been wondering!

The cart sort of exposes one of the biggest problems I have with this game's model. I believe that it is totally inaccurate to equate high economic freedom with high productivity. If you take a look at the most productive economies in the world (western europe, north america, japan), you see that they actually have medium-to-low levels of economic freedom. Of course, economics is a social science and as such is open to a range of interpretations. Anyway, here's a ranking of nations based of gdp per capita:

http://www.mrdowling.com/800gdppercapita.html

You'll see that most of the top ten and almost all of the top 25 have expansive welfare states and pretty highly regulated economies.

AFAIK, there is no 'Widely Abused' Civil Rights rating. None of the 30000+ nations in the NSEconomy caching database have this civil rights rating, although there are 116 Frightening and 310 Excessive ratings.

I really wonder what possessed NationStates to place Anarchy in the right of the spectrum.

I don't know any Anarchists, any Anarchist thinkers, any Anarchist organizations, or any major Anarchist movements, that haven't explicitly been anti-Capitalist, and far left.

Spain, civil war, anyone?

Kinda insulting to the tens of thousands of Anarchists who died at the hands of Franco in my opinion, to dismiss what they did, setting up workers' collectives across Spain after the government had collapsed in the face of Franco, and carrying on organizing without the state. In large swaths of the country, money was abolished, and gift economies were introduced either partially or in full.

Is there any chance we could see a change on that front somewhere? Perhaps referring to what is now known as Anarchy in Nationstates as Minarchy, and using Anarchy for left-wing utopia?

As an Anarchist myself, it's really disappointing for me that I can't actually have an Anarchist nation.

I really wonder what possessed NationStates to place Anarchy in the right of the spectrum.

I don't know any Anarchists, any Anarchist thinkers, any Anarchist organizations, or any major Anarchist movements, that haven't explicitly been anti-Capitalist, and far left.

Spain, civil war, anyone?

Kinda insulting to the tens of thousands of Anarchists who died at the hands of Franco in my opinion, to dismiss what they did, setting up workers' collectives across Spain after the government had collapsed in the face of Franco, and carrying on organizing without the state. In large swaths of the country, money was abolished, and gift economies were introduced either partially or in full.

Is there any chance we could see a change on that front somewhere? Perhaps referring to what is now known as Anarchy in Nationstates as Minarchy, and using Anarchy for left-wing utopia?

As an Anarchist myself, it's really disappointing for me that I can't actually have an Anarchist nation.

Meh, I do. What really puzzles me is I have an Anarchy in spite of a 51% tax rate. :D

I think the problem with designating an anarchy as 'left wing' is that in an anarchy, everyone should (theoretically) have the right to believe what they damn well please. Which will likely result in some liberals and some conservatives. In the communes that you refer to, there would be heavy social pressure to be a leftist. Not that I object to communes, mind you. :)

I don't know any Anarchists, any Anarchist thinkers, any Anarchist organizations, or any major Anarchist movements, that haven't explicitly been anti-Capitalist, and far left.
Anarcho-capitalism? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism)

A play on words.

All forms of Anarchism are forms of socialism. "Anarcho"-Capitalism is an attempt to graft the Libertarian party's ideas onto the popular Anarchist movement, which is exclusively anti-Capitalist.

The idea is that you can believe what you want, but you cannot attempt to subordinate others. Capitalism requires bosses, meaning subordination.

It doesn't fit.

Well done, man! :) No wonder this was stickied.

A play on words.

All forms of Anarchism are forms of socialism. "Anarcho"-Capitalism is an attempt to graft the Libertarian party's ideas onto the popular Anarchist movement, which is exclusively anti-Capitalist.

The idea is that you can believe what you want, but you cannot attempt to subordinate others. Capitalism requires bosses, meaning subordination.

It doesn't fit.
Did you care to actually read the page about it?
It would seem not, as what you've just said makes little sense.

Yes, I did, I'm at wikipedia, and that article is unfortunately written from an "Anarcho"-Capitalist point of view.

Read the Anarchist FAQ (http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html)'s response to "Anarcho"-Capitalism:

we do deny the anarchist title to supporters of capitalism. Why? Simply because anarchism as a political movement (as opposed to a dictionary definition) has always been anti-capitalist and against capitalist wage slavery, exploitation and oppression. In other words, anarchism (in all its forms) has always been associated with specific political and economic ideas. Both Tucker and Kropotkin defined their anarchism as an opposition to both state and capitalism. To quote Tucker on the subject:

"Liberty insists. . . [on] the abolition of the State and the abolition of usury; on no more government of man by man, and no more exploitation of man by man." [cited in Native American Anarchism - A Study of Left-Wing American Individualism by Eunice Schuster, p. 140]

Kropotkin defined anarchism as "the no-government system of socialism." [Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets, p. 46] Malatesta argued that "when [people] sought to overthrow both State and property -- then it was anarchy was born" and, like Tucker, aimed for "the complete destruction of the domination and exploitation of man by man." [Life and Ideas, p. 19, pp. 22-28] Indeed every leading anarchist theorist defined anarchism as opposition to government and exploitation.
Once again, Anarchism is the lack of hierarchy, or subordination. Having a boss is a form of subordination, Capitalism is antithetical to Anarchism.

"Anarcho"-Capitalism is a clever play on words, especially considering that most "Anarcho"-Capitalists have no issues with the state so long as its role is played by profit-making competitors. Competing court systems, competing police forces, competing private armies, etc... It is not Anarchism.

To define it as Anarchist, is to ignore the movement that is Anarchist. We're talking about the movement whose biggest success was the Spanish civil war, where an Anarchist union resisted 3 Fascist armies including Hitler's and Mussolini's, without a government, for 4 years and abolished Capitalism in its territory to boot.

I'm gonna guess though, that you consider yourself an "Anarcho"-Capitalist. So this is not gonna go anywhere. Just point out one Anarchist (as in a non "Anarcho"-Capitalist) who considers these people to be a part of the movement.

I'm gonna guess though, that you consider yourself an "Anarcho"-Capitalist.
Nope. i'm anarcho-communist.
Just point out one Anarchist (as in a non "Anarcho"-Capitalist) who considers these people to be a part of the movement.
Ah, I now see your point. The only ones that really claim anarcho-capitalism to be truly anarchist are themselves.
After looking at it for a bit, it would seem you've changed my mind entirely on this issue.
Thanks!

Welcome comrade :)

So do you agree with me on this? And do you think there's a way to convince these people of it?

Thanks so much for the list. It's great, and everything makes a little more sense now.

Grand High Queen of Shishmaref,
Her Most Honorable,
CMD

Welcome comrade :)

So do you agree with me on this? And do you think there's a way to convince these people of it?
I now do agree, after looking it over a bit more. Not sure quite how to go about convincing another, though...

Great thread!

Now to figure out WHY my Economy keeps sliding...

I don't get that...

Well that was cute.

"View A from source B is no good because it is written from someone who shares View A."

"View C (which contradicts View A) from source D is perfectly fine even though it is written by someone who shares View C."

Can't have it both ways.

I'd also like to point out that linking an anarchy to socialism is damnably stupid as socialism requires government to redistribute wealth.


Setting General Forum conversations aside... In NationStates "Anarchy" (I'll continue to leave it in quotation marks to differintiate from real world anarchy) typically works out one of two ways:

1) "Enlightened Anarchy". Essentially the people no longer need the guiding hand of the government anymore and shrug it off, forming whatever society they feel is most effective, be it capitalistic, communistic, or something in between.

2) "Oh Shit Anarchy". This would be the result of the government continuing to give the people more and more freedoms until the people run nuts and mess things up (hence the reference to motor cycle gangs).

Both of these would be a result of having exceptionally high freedoms in all categories. In other words, the government has given out so much freedom that it's eviscerated it's own power and has fallen by the wayside.

Granted, 100% or 0% tax rates are the easiest to explain (the community pools all its wealth, or keeps it all), but NationStates isn't supposed to be realistic, which is how we get "Anarchies" with 51% tax rates. Or populations of 4+ billion.

Of course, this appears to be caused by somone not reading the chart properly. That's not a "right/left" chart there. It's low/high. On the 3D map, the box with all three freedoms at their highest just happens to be on the upper right. It could have just as easily been lower left. "Left Wing Utopia" is "Authoritarian" on the "Economic Freedom" scale. Some how I don't see "Anarchies" being authoritarian about anything. Next time to be so eager to be insulted and actually read.

thanks for the info. it's really helpful

Hey, something's confused me about this. I have Superb Civil Rights, Fair Economic, and Below Average political freedoms, which should be 1 High and 2 Mediums and should make me a Left-Leaning College State, but somehow I'm a Scandanavian Liberal Paradise (High Social, Low Economic, Medium Political). Explanations?

thanks very helpful ;)

Well that was cute.
(snip)
Setting General Forum conversations aside... In NationStates "Anarchy" (I'll continue to leave it in quotation marks to differintiate from real world anarchy) typically works out one of two ways:

1) "Enlightened Anarchy". Essentially the people no longer need the guiding hand of the government anymore and shrug it off, forming whatever society they feel is most effective, be it capitalistic, communistic, or something in between.

2) "Oh Shit Anarchy". This would be the result of the government continuing to give the people more and more freedoms until the people run nuts and mess things up (hence the reference to motor cycle gangs).

Both of these would be a result of having exceptionally high freedoms in all categories. In other words, the government has given out so much freedom that it's eviscerated it's own power and has fallen by the wayside.
(snip)
Thanks for the exp. on NS Anarchy. Makes sense to me. But on to things that don't make sense...

I'm wondering why the economy has to me "moderate" to be classified as a Libertarian Police State (High Med Low).

I can understand the two "freedoms" positions, but I just can't get my head around what "holds the economy back" and why a High High Low is a Benevelolent Dictatorship.

IMO, the LPS & BD are reversed (one would think that a centralized economic authority (dictator) would be an economic stumbling block), but I'd like to see the NS Mod justification.

Thanks.

I'm having a little bit of trouble getting my head around the idea of a "libertarian police state" anyway. Seems like a contradiction in terms. However, I realize that we need some weird-sounding government names in order to have a different type of government for every combination of civil, economic and political freedoms.

I'm having a little bit of trouble getting my head around the idea of a "libertarian police state" anyway. Seems like a contradiction in terms. However, I realize that we need some weird-sounding government names in order to have a different type of government for every combination of civil, economic and political freedoms.

Libertarian Police State: See the Libertarian Police State HQ Region

This is the part of the definition I like, and the only reason I want to have one:

"Its [text] population of [number] are proud of their wide-ranging civil freedoms, and those who aren't tend to be dragged off the streets by men in dark suits and hustled into cars with tinted windows."

Basically I believe that people should have the freedom to do anything except (A) hurt other people {not self defense} (B) attempt to deny Freedom to other people.

That's when the MIBs come in. :mp5:

Does the Economic rating of your nation (right alongside the Civil and Political freedoms scale) tell you the amount of freedom your nation gives it's businesses, or how strong your economy is? I have never seen a definitive answer on this.

Does the Economic rating of your nation (right alongside the Civil and Political freedoms scale) tell you the amount of freedom your nation gives it's businesses, or how strong your economy is? I have never seen a definitive answer on this.

It tells you how strong your economy is.

Hah. Thanks, Syniks - that clears it up. (Even if it's not something I've ever seen, or expect to see. But then, not much in Nation States is.)

It tells you how strong your economy is.Ah. Thanks. I've always been wondering this, but people have been giving me conflicting information. Now I know!

I'm working on a new form of govn't called an educational democracy in which the better educated get more votes. This allows those most informed on an issue to have the most sway, but still gives others a voice too. I'd like for this form of govn't to somehow be recognized, but I don't know how or where to discuss it.

-the lamb of god

I'm working on a new form of govn't called an educational democracy in which the better educated get more votes. This allows those most informed on an issue to have the most sway, but still gives others a voice too. I'd like for this form of govn't to somehow be recognized, but I don't know how or where to discuss it.

-the lamb of god


There is no way of incorporating a new 'type' of government into the game. These titles are built within the game, rather than chosen. You may choose to RP an educational democracy, but such a title does not exist as a UN government classification.

In other words, these categories are only for the types of government that are in the actual game, rather than RP'ing.

Hey with all this talk about anarchy i wanna know what i have to cheak off in the first screen to make an anarchy?

Hey with all this talk about anarchy i wanna know what i have to cheak off in the first screen to make an anarchy?

If you don't answer any of the questions when you create your nation, then you'll start off as an anarchy.

If you don't answer any of the questions when you create your nation, then you'll start off as an anarchy.
Not always.

Voice of Mud (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=voice_of_mud) didn't pick anything, neither did Temporary Founders (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=temporary_founders). It all depends on the "type" you pick on the first page. Gharnoth Shentavo (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=gharnoth_shentavo), for instance, never picked anything and has the worst ranking for all three (I think I picked 'evil' for it...).

However, Drop of Honey (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=drop_of_honey) is a textbook example of an "instant-anarchy", whereas I (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the_most_glorious_hack) am an example of someone who made it answering issues.

Not always.
-snip-

Ah. My apologies, I have been misinformed. I do remember someone mentioning that not answering the questions makes you an anarchy, but they made no mention of the first page. I've learned something new today. :)

What does RIGHT-LEANING mean? cause my nation has that

What does RIGHT-LEANING mean? cause my nation has that

Having a right-leaning government is basically saying that your government is more on the conservative side of things.

Hey, something's confused me about this. I have Superb Civil Rights, Fair Economic, and Below Average political freedoms, which should be 1 High and 2 Mediums and should make me a Left-Leaning College State, but somehow I'm a Scandanavian Liberal Paradise (High Social, Low Economic, Medium Political). Explanations?The "Fair" in your economy relates not to the economic freedom, but to how the economy is doing in general. Look at your nation again; if you have high taxes and welfare spending, you will have "Low" economic freedom even if your economy is "Frightening". See also other posts in this thread.

Anarchism™ as used by many parties such as in Spain, or in the French Libertaire is a socio-economic movement. And is essentially "communism" in its root principles.

However, this is not to say anarcho-capitalism is antithetical... Anarchists (the movement) did not invent the word "anarchy", they "used" it as a label for their movement.

However, "anarchy" the world is political only. That is, it defines a political structure in which there is no ruler. Democracies are anarchies. It is in opposition to Oligarchy (rule by few) and Monarchy (Rule by One)... and literally means "Rule by none"... That is the absense of political rulership.

Anarcho-Capitalists, are capitalists who adhere to the principle of having no central political rulership... AKA democratic form of government. The "Anarchist™" movement, should rightly be described as Anarcho-Socialist... What you are dealing with is two oposing axis of measurement here.... Economic vs. Political.. anarchial thought is not antithetical to capitalist economics.. The differing though occurs under the precept of "property ownership"... Anarcho-socialists, believe property is of the all; while Anarcho-capitalists recognize property ownership rights of the people. Both, however, are essentially geared towards "Anarchial" government; that is, where the individual liberties of the people are held supreme.

Imagine tacking a graph.....

............Anarchism.............
..................|...................
Socialism----+----Capitalism
..................|...................
............Monarchism...........

NOTE:Monarchism can be called "statism" that is the State possessing all authority and power.

The prevalence of though to apply "anarchy" towards Social-Democratic forms, and "Tyrany" towards Capital-Statist forms, is the 2D problematic thinking of mankind. Rather than deal with degrees, they want everything to fit into their neat little 2d boxes. The relevate levels of political thought do not run in normative relation to the relative economic thoughts of a person.
A persons political views and economic views do not have to be in relation to one another. And Anarcho-Capitalism is just as valid a concept as Statist-Socialism (Stalinist Communism).... It's dealing in matters of relation and total encompasing views, as opposed to trying to shove everything into an unrealistic "line" view of the typical "left-right" labling scheme.

Can anyone tell me what decisions i can make so i can solidify my nation under the category "Iron Fist Socialists"?

<snip> Categories for Number of Posts
0=Just Joined Jolt
10=Junior Member
50=Member
<snip>By the way, it's "New Member" for 10 posts, not "Junior Member".

Can anyone tell me what decisions i can make so i can solidify my nation under the category "Iron Fist Socialists"?Easy. Outlaw elections, raise taxes, allow things like gay marriage and abortion. You'll be IFS in just a short time (or a long time, depending on how long it takes you to get those issues). Or start off with a new nation, select "Liberal" as the gov't type and put "Strongly Disagree" for the penultimate question.

Ah. My apologies, I have been misinformed. I do remember someone mentioning that not answering the questions makes you an anarchy, but they made no mention of the first page. I've learned something new today. :)Yeah, you just have to check off "Libertarian" or "Anarchic" as the gov't type and, ta-daaa!, anarchy. There used to be a sticky about how to get each nation type, but I can't seem to find it anymore :(

There used to be a sticky about how to get each nation type, but I can't seem to find it anymore :(
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=297403

It's the "Nation Creation" link in Myrth's Big Sticky.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=297403

It's the "Nation Creation" link in Myrth's Big Sticky.Thanks.

By the way, it's "New Member" for 10 posts, not "Junior Member".

Thank ya. :)

Stickify this!

Stickify this!
It was once sticky, but it was removed due to sticky clutter. It is now part of Myrth's Updated Gameplay Sticky List (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=302256).

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It was once sticky, but it was removed due to sticky clutter. It is now part of Myrth's Updated Gameplay Sticky List (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=302256).I think the same thing happened over in II. The "Guide to NationStates", the NS Orientation, and a lot of other useful threads were unstickied and linked in one giant sticky with contributions from practically everyone. I have a bookmark for it.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

I think the same thing happened over in II. The "Guide to NationStates", the NS Orientation, and a lot of other useful threads were unstickied and linked in one giant sticky with contributions from practically everyone. I have a bookmark for it.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

With some amazing assistance from Frisbeeteria and Katganistan, we were able to condense the stickies for a cleaner look in International Incidents.

This should be linked right to the FAQ section. I have spent a long time looking for this kind of game info. Would have made my start easier to understand.

Euroslavia: I feel that we should change the final two stats around on the Civil and Political charts to make sense. Go to this forum post I did for my reasons: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426906

Euroslavia: I feel that we should change the final two stats around on the Civil and Political charts to make sense. Go to this forum post I did for my reasons: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426906
While your reasoning might make more sense from the perspective of language, it does not accurately reflect the usage within the game. It needs to stay the way it is to be accurate.

thank you

This is very helpful

Thanks

I'm just bumping this because someone asks about it every other day in General.

This is a great thread.

WHY DOES NO ONE READ IT?

haha... i'm a psychotic dictatorship...

OK, now I get it.

This thread will be quite useful. Good thing there is the Subscribe To Thread feature.

9. Free Market Paradise (Low Social, High Economic, High Political)
10. Left-Wing Utopia (High Social, Low Economic, High Political)
11. Benevolent Dictatorship (High Social, High Economic, Low Political)


Note in BOLD and RED above:

This is apparantly not the case anymore...

Tekania is a "Left-Wing Utopia" now, even with the following:

Civil Rights: Superb (Rank 11)
Economy: Frightening (Rank 15)
Political Freedoms: Superb (Rank 11)

Note in BOLD and RED above:

This is apparantly not the case anymore...

Tekania is a "Left-Wing Utopia" now, even with the following:

Civil Rights: Superb (Rank 11)
Economy: Frightening (Rank 15)
Political Freedoms: Superb (Rank 11)
It is still the case. The Economic ranking measures economic freedom, not how well the economy itself is doing. As you have high income taxes (100%) and not much private enterprise, you will have low economic freedom, whether your economy is weak or strong.

I loved this thread. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to read it again and again and again and again...

I loved this thread. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to read it again and again and again and again...
Which isn't saying much.... :p

Why exactly are you spamming in this thread?? I mean, this should be a closed serious thread right?? I don't know even why this wasn't sticked...

I don't see the need for it to be closed, although I agree the last couple of posts were of little value/relevance. As for stickydom, well, if every useful thread were stickied, they'd fill the first page of every forum. This is linked from at least three stickies; I feel that's sufficient.

There's several discrepancies between the order of economic rankings posted here and their order as sorted by NSEconomy - which one is correct?

(--)Economic HERE ----------- Economic NSECONOMY(-- )
(15)Frightening---------Frightening
(14)All-Consuming-----All-Consuming
(13)Powerhouse-------Powerhouse
(12)Thriving-------------Thriving
(11)Very Strong--------Very Strong
(10)Strong--------------Strong
(09)Good----------------Good
(08)Fair------------------Reasonable
(07)Reasonable--------Fair
(06)Developing---------Developing
(05)Struggling----------Weak
(04)Weak----------------Fragile
(03)Fragile---------------Struggling
(02)Basket Case-------Basket Case
(01)Imploded-----------Imploded

I loved this thread. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to read it again and again and again and again...
Don't worry, I got the reference if nobody else did.

ZOLTAN the HYPNOTIST, LIVE on BROADWAY!

Ah, the good ol' days of SNL.

I'd also like to point out that linking an anarchy to socialism is damnably stupid as socialism requires government to redistribute wealth.


I disagree. Sure, one way to get rid of capitalism is to have the government do it, but that's only thinking of socialism in the Soviet sense. If you think of it in the anarcho-syndicalist sense, then no government involvement is required.

All that needs to happen is this: the employees of the company decide to kick out the CEO and stop listening to the shareholders. In an anarcho-capitalist state, the government will get involved and prevent the employees from doing this. In the non-capitalist anarchy, the government would not get involved and the employees would be free to establish workplace democracy within their company if they choose to do so.

It is still the case. The Economic ranking measures economic freedom, not how well the economy itself is doing. As you have high income taxes (100%) and not much private enterprise, you will have low economic freedom, whether your economy is weak or strong.

i THOUGHT there was more to it than what was in those three boxes at the top.

I was wondering about this because once I saw a nation where all three categories were rated Good (a medium range rating in all three categories)and the nation was classified as a Democratic Socialists, whereas one would expect it to be classified as an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy, seeing all three were of a medium rating.

There's several discrepancies between the order of economic rankings posted here and their order as sorted by NSEconomy - which one is correct?

(--)Economic HERE ----------- Economic NSECONOMY(-- )
(15)Frightening---------Frightening
(14)All-Consuming-----All-Consuming
(13)Powerhouse-------Powerhouse
(12)Thriving-------------Thriving
(11)Very Strong--------Very Strong
(10)Strong--------------Strong
(09)Good----------------Good
(08)Fair------------------Reasonable
(07)Reasonable--------Fair
(06)Developing---------Developing
(05)Struggling----------Weak
(04)Weak----------------Fragile
(03)Fragile---------------Struggling
(02)Basket Case-------Basket Case
(01)Imploded-----------Imploded

I'm thinking (i COULD be wrong) that this is correct:

(15)Frightening
(14)All-Consuming
(13)Powerhouse
(12)Thriving
(11)Very Strong
(10)Strong
(09)Good
(08)Reasonable
(07)Fair
(06)Developing
(05)Struggling
(04)Weak
(03)Fragile
(02)Basket Case
(01)Imploded

In other words, like the "Economic HERE" list except with Reasonable and Fair switched.

bravo! :)
very helpful, thanks.

Well seeing all the governments is all well and good, I've been trying like crazy to figure out what those governments are.

I'm a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise, and I'm trying to figure out what that government is like in a historical perspective.

Anyone got a list of all the government types and real-life counterparts to each one?

Sweden. You're basically Sweden.

Hmmm... What would be a real-life New York Times Democracy?

"Real life" isn't how this game works. These are the politics of the popular imagination as they are seen by Max Barry. As far as I can tell, an 'NYT democracy' represents either Max's idea of a government run by NYT readers and managed by (Ford Forbid!) Tommy Friedman and the rest of the gang.

But that's just one man's interpretation of another man's idea of... well you get the idea.

Does anyone have a similar list for regional influence tags?

Does anyone have a similar list for regional influence tags?
Here. (http://www.safalra.com/other/nationstates/influence/)

I had my Civil Rights considered World Benchmark and then after agreeing with one issue it became Frightening, what exactly happened?

Your ranking went up.

Ah, Good. That was my intention.

Is there a list of the new post count categories?