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- <REGIONINFO>
* <NAME>israel</NAME>
* <FACTBOOK>This region is now taken over by The Nazis. You have been a curse to the world and a shame for your race. Palestinians can now return to your homeland. Something which you kicked them out when the State of Israel was created in 1948 and made them live under the gun in The West Bank and Gaza Strip and in great poverty.</FACTBOOK>
* <NUMNATIONS>47</NUMNATIONS>
* <NATIONS>mordechai_vanunu:ale-yarok:shalom-makers:bwahahaland:mosheville:beth_yisrael:devil_israel:acre_union:the_gaza_strippers:eisheth_zenuni m:new_zero_kanada:oppressed_palestine:101110111:flabberbusting:counts_blasphemy:googlia:landsmonkey: ahavael:kraketoa:am_hashem:zion_of_kahane:nielanath:the_haganah:hasidic_jews:jewmany:katsy:dondionus :belshazzaria:new_jewgoslavia:shmil:a_d_h_h:shlimasel:franjovia:johnnybravonia:jewish_descent:mayeau x:destruction_and_wrath:libidinate:carnagedan:cyraxia:sunyan:topekkka:janislovia:greengarden_lanes:e agles_disobey:boolari:krupponia</NATIONS>
* <DELEGATE>0</DELEGATE>
* <DELEGATEVOTES>0</DELEGATEVOTES>
* <FOUNDER>polish_jew</FOUNDER>
* </REGIONINFO>

XML Feed of Israel
Griefing happened earlier today!

Please report this on the Getting Help page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=help).

Oh, and I am going to report it for you because the World Factbook Entry looks flamish.

Please report this on the Getting Help page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=help).

Oh, and I am going to report it for you because the World Factbook Entry looks flamish.

Thanks for your help.

I came across this situation just before the latest UN update.
Four other nations from Pacific Defenders and TITO entered and endorsed the apparent native Shlimasel to keep the delegacy away from the probable old endorsers of the nation The Military Command which I suppose was deleted by NS Moderation for griefing the region (but if any Moderators reading this could fill me in that would be great)...

From what I was able to determine, The Military Command wrote that flamish World Factbook Entry; and ejected at a minimum the following UN nations:

Chaiim
Eran Flicker
Lech Echol Chara

The probable remaining invaders in the region are:

Cyraxia
Topekkka
Carnagedan

This information is based upon my reading of the RMB and Regional Happenings of the region The REAL Nazi Europe. I will correct any information that is found to be incorrect.

Apparently NS Moderation had already been alerted of the griefing and flaming; had deleted The Military Command; and cleared the password and banlist (that last item is subject to verification)...

I did inform NS Moderation via "Getting Help" of the following telegram of support that was posted in Israel's Civil Headquarters:

12 hours ago The Nazi Empire of A D H H
Greetings. This is Panzerfaust 88 - UN Delegate of NAZI EUROPE.

Firstly I wish to congratulate Military Command and 'The Nazis' for successfully taking control of this region.

Secondly, I want to thank Majistan (UN Delegate of The Real Nazi Europe) for his help in sending other nations from The Real Nazi Europe here to Israel.

Also, Military Command, I am still willing to assist and advise you if you want me to.

Ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer!

14/88

Highlighted emphasis in the above quote is mine.
Is there any possible consequences for supporting such a griefing / flaming like the UN delegate of NAZI EUROPE did?

We of Pacific Defenders and TITO will remain in the region until those who were griefed can return to the region and regain their sovereignty over the region from this professed Nazi aggression.

**********************************************

A related thread has been launched in NS Moderation:

Are there consequences for public support of invasions that turn out to be griefing?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386264

Per request, here's an older XML of Israel. XML December 23, 2004:<NAME>israel</NAME>
<FACTBOOK>Kol od balevav pnima
Nefesh yehudi homia
Ulfatei mizrach, kadima
Ain lezion, zofia
Od lo avda tikvateynu
Hatikva bat shnot alpayim
Liyot am hophshi, beartzeynu
Eretz zion veyrushalayim!

This, my friends, this Hatikva, the hope of Israel. Let it be our hope as well. I will do everything in my power to make this region safe and democratic. In turn, I ask my fellow Israelis to endorse me in order to make sure this never happens again.

Shana tova ve hag sameah!

***Defended by ADN and GLA***</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>40</NUMNATIONS>
<NATIONS> mordechai_vanunu: ale-yarok: shalom-makers: bwahahaland: mosheville: beth_yisrael: devil_israel: acre_union: the_wise_and_worthy: the_gaza_strippers: eisheth_zenunim: new_zero_kanada: oppressed_palestine: bahais: zvika_hadar: 101110111: flabberbusting: counts_blasphemy: googlia: landsmonkey: ahavael: kraketoa: am_hashem: zion_of_kahane: chanters: nielanath: the_haganah: peels: ernie_ii: hasidic_jews: jewmany: katsy: dondionus: eran_flicker: belshazzaria: new_jewgoslavia: chaiim: shmil: sunyan: poctob-ha-dohy </NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>bahais</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>2</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>polish_jew</FOUNDER>

Ballotonia

Greengarden Lanes just wrote this in the region Israel:

"*Regional Happenings -- Israel

* 8 minutes ago: The 18 Years Of Prisonment of Mordechai Vanunu departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 8 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel ejected The 18 Years Of Prisonment of Mordechai Vanunu from the region.
* 9 minutes ago: The Theocracy of Devil Israel departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 9 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel ejected The Theocracy of Devil Israel from the region.
* 9 minutes ago: The Disputed Territories of Oppressed Palestine departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 9 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel ejected The Disputed Territories of Oppressed Palestine from the region.

Due to the ejection of some of the oldest natives of the region I have filed a complaint with NS Moderation."



The irony of it. It's just too good. Greengarden Lanes calls in her Pacific Defenders to support Shlimasel as the native delegate. What does Shlimasel do when he wakes up and finds he's the new delegate? He ejects all the nations who are pro-Palestinian, or who are at least against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and are opposed to its nuclear program. In other words Greengarden Lanes seems to have been instrumental in making someone the delegate who may be even more extremist than the far fringes of the Likud. Who knows.

Oh yes -- the life of a defender is messy sometimes.
That list above it must be noted was made courtesy of me -- and that delegate was promptly reported to NS Moderation.

We have acted in this matter in the wake of NS Moderation deleted the lead nazi invader nation "The Military Command", who had just yesterday griefed the region and had not distributed the password. I believe that any celebrations from the nazi-right as well as the non-nazi right or left of NS rule-breaking is wrong and needs to be noted and corrected.

4 hours ago The Commonwealth of Greengarden Lanes

Greetings everyone,

Thank you for your support this evening.

I am/was seeking the UN delegacy for Israel simply to clear the banlist. I have publicly disagreed with the delegate Shlimasel for ejecting three natives of the region -- in particular its oldest one of the region, Mordechai Vanunu (which by the way was the nation that reported the griefing of the region by the now-deat nazi delegate The Military Command).

I formally appeal to the delegate Shlimasel to clear the banlist of at least Mordechai Vanunu -- Were it not for him the nazis would've succeeded in taking this region.

And I wish to remind you that in referring to the XML screen of the region of December 23 made by Ballotonia, all three of the nations the delegate ejected (Mordechai Vanunu, Devil Israel and Oppressed Palestine) are listed as natives; so the banlist should be cleared.

My nation came to this region to prevent those nations who had endorsed the original lead invader nazi delegate "The Military Command" from keeping control of the region. I reported and recorded those nations. Upon notice of this public pronouncement, those nations one-by-one left the region (and most moved to the region Supreme Nazi Europe).

Seeing Shlimasel's posts that were complementary to this region prompted me to endorse him. Certainly your/his World Factbook Entry restores the apparent original intent of the region.

I am once again publicly appealing to both the delegate Shlimasel and the other natives and/or endorsers of him to clear the banlist. Shlimasel's fine WFE statement: "...A home to speak, and a shining beam of democracy in the MID EAST..." demands no less but to clear the banlist and afford a return to the region of these nations -- none of which had UN status at the time of their ejection.

I welcome public comment with regards to my stance.

--Greengarden Lanes

# 5 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel removed The Disputed Territories of Oppressed Palestine from the regional ban list.
# 6 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel removed The Theocracy of Devil Israel from the regional ban list.
# 7 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel removed The 18 Years Of Prisonment of Mordechai Vanunu from the regional ban list.

And just when I got the possibility to log in the Forums (Still thanking the moddy)... But I'll post it anyway. *begins to write a long message*

I've spent over eight months in Israel, becoming the longest-staying nation in there, witnessing dozens of delegates, couple invasions.

It wasn't a pleasant wake-up to realize my nation kicked from the region it was planned to stay as long as I keep playing NS. Shlimasel, a nation who came in while the attack of the nazis were underway, supported by defenders' endorsements, ejected three nations from the region because he didn't like our names?

That doesn't sound right at all.

(It's a shame I couldn't log in here sooner, the best version of my protest post slipped away from my thoughts and now that the delegate has removed the nations he ejected from the ban-list, this all seems pointless.)

But I say it again, with different words, that it is extremely rude to award a commited native by ejection. Then again, Devil Israel had been in the region almost as long as I have, maybe 4-6 months. I can't remember how long Oppressed Palestine has been in Israel but I do believe I heard something about freedom of opinion in school.

An update for your information; as posted in Israel's Civil Headquarters.
Also, I have made a formal request of NS Moderation regarding the situation via Getting Help -- Thank you in advance for your advice in this matter.

Attention nations of Israel --

I have directly conveyed a public statement to all UN members here plus a few known natives. Any natives that wish to read it please contact me and I will share it with you.

In sum it says that all UN nations should foremost endorse without reservation the oldest known nation/native here in Israel, Mordechai Vanunu.

I plan to stay on here for another day or so to assist this region in security matters. Finally, in the remaining hours of my delegacy, any suspicious nations entering the region henceforth with be ejected without explaination -- I have received word from allies that another plot is in the works thanks to the same nazi bunch who had endorsed the griefer invader and thankfully now-deat nation of The Military Command.

On behalf of Pacific Defenders we are honored to support Israel. Also I wish to acknowledge the support of my allies in TITO and The MT Army for safeguarding Israel and chasing away the invaders.

Per request, some older XMLs as well:

July 9, 2004: <NATIONS> nazi_zionist_jews: bitter_honey_bees: nir_inbar: polish_jew: rmot: israel_lovers: mordechai_vanunu: zionist_jews: ale-yarok: pouce_coupe: final_solution_nazis </NATIONS>

September 10, 2004: <NATIONS> nazi_zionist_jews: rmot: mordechai_vanunu: ale-yarok: the_gimp_lands: haguy: oil_mongers: shalom-makers: bwahahaland: mosheville: tzedakah: falisteen: petach_tiqwa: chocetteville: democratic_israel: alevala: madinat_israel: kodoha: the_great_hills: the_good_hills: genocidal_aethiests: gaza_strip: tribuion_decratus: beth_yisrael: eugenistan: uberjude: devil_israel: the_rotting_dead: spetznatz_troopers: mild_cigarettes: loco_bandits: niva: laotians </NATIONS>

October 1, 2004: <NATIONS> mordechai_vanunu: ale-yarok: the_gimp_lands: oil_mongers: shalom-makers: bwahahaland: mosheville: tzedakah: falisteen: petach_tiqwa: chocetteville: democratic_israel: alevala: genocidal_aethiests: gaza_strip: beth_yisrael: devil_israel: quistis_intellegence: acre_union: the_wise_and_worthy: eugenistan: bel_abdel_waheb: great_zion: milanael: the_gaza_strippers: eisheth_zenunim: new_zero_kanada </NATIONS>

October 25, 2004: <NATIONS> mordechai_vanunu: ale-yarok: shalom-makers: bwahahaland: mosheville: tzedakah: falisteen: petach_tiqwa: chocetteville: democratic_israel: gaza_strip: beth_yisrael: devil_israel: acre_union: the_wise_and_worthy: eugenistan: great_zion: milanael: the_gaza_strippers: eisheth_zenunim: new_zero_kanada: oppressed_palestine: lockheed_martin_corp: bahais: aminipix: people_of_simcha: zvika_hadar: the_knight_templars </NATIONS>

November 13, 2004: <NATIONS> mordechai_vanunu: ale-yarok: shalom-makers: bwahahaland: mosheville: tzedakah: chocetteville: beth_yisrael: devil_israel: acre_union: the_wise_and_worthy: eugenistan: milanael: the_gaza_strippers: eisheth_zenunim: new_zero_kanada: oppressed_palestine: bahais: aminipix: people_of_simcha: zvika_hadar: mehof: 101110111: flabberbusting: mab_cheese: judeland: cactus_bob: counts_blasphemy: googlia: groovyjewboy: catastrophic_morbidity: landsmonkey: ahavael: wangwongia: mrw_422 </NATIONS>

December 5, 2004: <NATIONS> mordechai_vanunu: ale-yarok: shalom-makers: bwahahaland: mosheville: beth_yisrael: devil_israel: acre_union: the_wise_and_worthy: eugenistan: the_gaza_strippers: eisheth_zenunim: new_zero_kanada: oppressed_palestine: bahais: aminipix: people_of_simcha: zvika_hadar: mehof: 101110111: flabberbusting: mab_cheese: counts_blasphemy: googlia: groovyjewboy: landsmonkey: ahavael: wangwongia: kraketoa: the_military_command: am_hashem: zion_of_kahane: chanters: nielanath: the_haganah: peels: tyage_aer_matsu: archive_diggers: ernie_ii: musing: yet_more_psychoticness: mad_river: hydor: hasidic_jews: species_1: katsy </NATIONS>

Ballotonia

From: civil HQ.


These viewpoints are noted and the new political situation has seemingly become a fait accompli during my temporary leave.

I would ask of our gracious new occupiers that the ban list is removed as soon as possible - within days that is/ and reinstate full local democracy before we permanently become yet another pawn in these regional power plays. Restoring regional democracy should be a priority and keeping this region shut will be its undoing.

Nazis are as big a plague to this battered region as are Pacific and ADN imperialists which vie for power. The Peoples Republic and their allies should tend to their own borders first.

In exchange for such a pledge I would consider adding a temporary endorsement for our political prisoner/delegate as a sign of native support for this temporary occupation.

Thank you.

~native 2 cents

"I would ask of our gracious new occupiers..."

Actually, looking at the XMLs for the past couple months (going back to September at least), I'd say it looks to me like Mordechai Vanunu (current delegate) is a long-time resident, located before you in the XML until kicked out by the nazi's who invaded Israel.

Perhaps you were thinking of a previous delegate?

Ballotonia

These viewpoints are noted and the new political situation has seemingly become a fait accompli during my temporary leave.

I would ask of our gracious new occupiers that the ban list is removed as soon as possible - within days that is/ and reinstate full local democracy before we permanently become yet another pawn in these regional power plays. Restoring regional democracy should be a priority and keeping this region shut will be its undoing.

Nazis are as big a plague to this battered region as are Pacific and ADN imperialists which vie for power. The Peoples Republic and their allies should tend to their own borders first.

In exchange for such a pledge I would consider adding a temporary endorsement for our political prisoner/delegate as a sign of native support
for this temporary occupation.

Thank you.

~native 2 cents


Highlighted emphasis is mine.

I will respond point by point to each of the highlighted sections.

1) I would ask of our gracious new occupiers that the ban list is removed as soon as possible The banlist as of this writing is clear except for The Nazi Empire of A D H H -- Who admitted the nation was the puppet of Panzerfaust 88 - UN Delegate of NAZI EUROPE (see post number 3).

2) ...and keeping this region shut will be its undoing. As of this writing, the region is not "shut". There is no password in place.

3) Nazis are as big a plague to this battered region as are Pacific and ADN imperialists which vie for power. The Peoples Republic and their allies should tend to their own borders first. This is really unclear to me. First off, Pacific Defenders (as opposed to the Pacific regions -- they are separate from us -- We are known as "Pacific Defenders" because most of our members play NS from the Pacific Time Zone; which simultaneously affords us to be active during the second daily UN update time, when delegate postions are changed or reaffirmed).

Second -- Please show me just when has the ADN, TITO or Pacific Defenders has ever invaded Israel in order to change its character and ejected natives to accomplish such. Meanwhile just a few days ago the nazis showed their real intentions -- and if it wasn't for us defenders they would be ruling today!

Third -- Our borders are already secure. Our regions have active founders and therefore need no defending (for our founders can simply eject any troublemakers). Israel is not so fortunate.

4) I would consider adding a temporary endorsement for our political prisoner/delegate as a sign of native support
for this temporary occupation. Given that Mordechai Vanunu is the oldest recorded nation in Israel that is still active, it seems wise to keep supporting him. And I don't know why it would be considered "temporary" -- for if it wasn't for Mordechai Vanunu I believe the Moderators would have never been alerted to the breaking of NS rules by the now deat nazi nation of "The Military Command" and afforded us defenders time enough to enter and block the nazis from gaining power. Please explain, Ale-Yarok, which native in Israel has a better track-record in defending the region than Mordechai Vanunu.

Of course we originally endorsed Shlimasel, who is not native but seemed to be a supporter of the region. For that we received a mixed result: Most of the remaining nazis, seeing that we numerically trumped their endorsements of their lead nazi, left the region before they could be banned. Yet rather than eject the last known nazi in the region (who BTW advertised himself as such: "The Nazi Empire of A D H H") then-delegate Shlimasel ejected instead three known natives of the region, including Mordechai Vanunu.

Yes I appealed to him directly and he not only didn't eject me and my endorsers (including one native who as of this writing is still endorsing me) but then joined them in doing so and unbanned those natives he ejected. Those are actions that I respect -- even as Shlimasel by the standard measures is not considered a native.

Finally, thank you Ale-Yarok for acknowledging that Pacific Defenders has made this defensive action a temporary one. We are heartened to see the daily increasing endorsements of the delegate -- and democratic debate as to the future of the region. We entered the region only to safeguard it against a nazi invasion and are increasingly becoming satisified that such a threat will not be taken lightly.

Greengarden Lanes
of Pacific Defenders

my question is what is the point of the XML feed?

my question is what is the point of the XML feed?

To me the posting of XML feeds helps determine the nativity of a region's nations. Of course doing so is a challenge -- The nazi griefer "The Military Command" for example was in Israel according to these records above for almost a month before acting against the core integrity of the region being a Jewish state.

Nevertheless in reading such posts one can get a sense of the longevity of nations in any given region. The nation that has been there the longest in any given XML Feed is listed first following "<nations>".

I thank Ballotonia for posting them -- especially the older ones :)
S/he provides a real public service to the nations of the NS World.

How does it accomplish any of that?

It just seems to give you the regionsinformation and the regional happenings. Which one can get from looking at that region from NS.

My statement made 50 minutes ago to the nations of Israel --

*16 hours ago The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel
I don’t mean any offence Greengarden, and thank you for the help, but your making it seem more of an occupation not aid that your here.*

Well I certainly value your opinion, Shlimasel. You like me are not a native -- yet we both support what is good for this region. That was why I felt solid in endorsing you originally. And even after you had ejected three natives, I felt safe in requesting that they should be allowed to return to Israel. You could've instead ignored me and my allies (at that time I had ten endorsers including yourself and the native who still endorses me Eran Flicker) and ejected us all.

Instead you not only let me stay on to become the delegate, you also unbanned the three natives that you had ejected. Rarely in NS have I witnessed such gallantry. Thanks Shlimasel.

Ale-Yarok, I posted over two hours ago in Gameplay forum a formal reply to you. I do appreciate your post there for you had rightfully concluded the Pacific Defenders were here temporarily. And here it is on day 5 and as I was the first to enter this region, I am the last to leave -- and will do so in a few moments. (EDIT -- I have left the region)

I do take issue with the partisan implication against Ballotonia -- that nation does a great service to NationStates being its unofficial archivist. Knowing that the nazis were invading this region it simply wasn't enough to assume they were all absent without substantial proof. The full XML screens (in Gameplay) indicated for example that the now deat nazi invader The Military Command was here a full month and went unnoticed until he seized power with the endorsements of four nations.

And I also concur with you Ale-Yarok (whom BTW is this region's second oldest native after the delegate) that it would not be good longterm to keep this region password protected. Nevertheless Sylphax's (who came in just a few days ago -- certainly not a native from my observation) suggestion poses an important question for the region -- namely just how are you all going to truly defend yourselves if you remain divided amongst yourselves?

I am pleased the current delegate has at least three native endorsers. Of course I would hope for more but truly it is up to you guys who are the real natives here -- as posed by the screens of Ballotonia in which longevity is but the first factor to consider in determining nativity.

We endorsed Mordechai Vanunu because he was the lead native and we learned it was his report to NS Moderation that got the invader/rule-breaking nazi delegate deleted. Satisfied now that there is enough native interest in the self-determination of this region, it is easy for me to part.

I have a proposal for Shlimasel especially and the rest of you to consider. Please join me Shlimasel in an endeavor that I had communicated directly with you about on a few occasions (and all UN nations here a few days ago received my plans as well).

I will leave now and begin that process. Like the administration of this region here, my idea will not fly if it is not freely supported by this region's natives.

The longest that Pacific Defenders has stayed anywhere besides our own region is a week. With two days to go I depart now -- confident that this region is energized enough to defend itself without our help.

Greengarden Lanes
for Pacific Defenders

7 hours ago The Most Serene Republic of Shlimasel
Yes and i apologized i acted hasty.. Im gonna stay in Israel because we shouldnt spread out.. And no im not a native because i only started this about a month ago. And ill tell you when im going to be satisfied when people are able to speak their mind and critisize whats going on without the fear of being banned exiled kicked or which ever way you like to put it. Im going to stay in israel, unless i get kicked out.
Bolds by moi.

The paranoia... Mordechai Vanunu in NS won't eject nations that easily. Freedom of the speech is hold dearly among Mordechai Vanunuians.

As a sign of trust from other natives I have been granted multiple endorsements by Israelis. Onwards to the safer times in Israel!