NationStates Jolt Archive

Due to the recent inactivity within the region many countries are breaking up and leaving which is resulting in massive amounts of land waiting to be resettled! We are also in a desperate need of a new UN delegate which anyone eager to take on the job and uphold our democratic methods of running the region is welcome! Anyone is welcome to join, no interview to join, just show up and say hello to everyone!
I highly recommend people who are eager to join into a political battle to take the delegate spot from our current one is highly recommended to join because Hylind does believe that things are going to get pretty bad in acouple of days. ;)

As you know, Hylind, your region of Atlantis is password protected, and your current delegate has declined to give out that password to even natives of the region, to the best of my knowledge. I know many people, including a former delegate of the region, are interested in sparking a Renaissance in the region, they simply need access in order to help elect a new delegate and remove the cause of the recent Decline of Atlantis. I myself would love to help rebuild the region, having once, under another nation and at the behest of the aforementioned former delegate, led an unsuccessful attempt to oust the powers that be in Atlantis from their death grip on you all.

In response to the unwarranted action against the current delegate, politcally underhanded actions were taken to assure the ascension of Azuline Ataraxia to the delegacy of Atlantis. By no means is Azuline the rightful delegate of Atlantis, but was in fact defeated in an election by The Reformed Islands of Kylaai.

As for the traitorous actions of Hylind in allowing and aiding such an invasion, it can only be expressed that we are very dissappointed. Regional stability was compromised due to this action, as is evident by the rise of these powers in Atlantis. I have returned to what was once my home region to assist Kylaai in regaining their rightful position as delegate, and can only ask that others attempt to aid us in this current crisis.

It is sad that a nation would revert to such barbarous means to gain power in a region, even if the region is for a moment inactive. Means of reviving the region have already been discussed without Azuline Ataraxia in the picture, and only by placing Kylaai back where they belong can they be implemented.

If anyone wishes to aid us in this quest, could you please address telegrams to myself or Kylaai. This incident has already peaked interest from some foreign nations, and getting the story straight is our main priority at this time.

In response to the unwarranted action against the current delegate, politcally underhanded actions were taken to assure the ascension of Azuline Ataraxia to the delegacy of Atlantis. By no means is Azuline the rightful delegate of Atlantis, but was in fact defeated in an election by The Reformed Islands of Kylaai.

As for the traitorous actions of Hylind in allowing and aiding such an invasion, it can only be expressed that we are very dissappointed. Regional stability was compromised due to this action, as is evident by the rise of these powers in Atlantis. I have returned to what was once my home region to assist Kylaai in regaining their rightful position as delegate, and can only ask that others attempt to aid us in this current crisis.

It is sad that a nation would revert to such barbarous means to gain power in a region, even if the region is for a moment inactive. Means of reviving the region have already been discussed without Azuline Ataraxia in the picture, and only by placing Kylaai back where they belong can they be implemented.

If anyone wishes to aid us in this quest, could you please address telegrams to myself or Kylaai. This incident has already peaked interest from some foreign nations, and getting the story straight is our main priority at this time.

I certainly agree with that last part. (emphasis in above quote is mine)
I may agree with your whole view, thoough right now I am in accord with Hylind's first post.

Anyone with XML screen capability to show nations longevity in the region please post here. Particularly helpful would be the posting of XML screens from the era of Azuline Ataraxia and Kylaai's contention of the UN spot would be most helpful.

I am in the region in support of its resolution. Kylaai's posts regarding giving out the password were initially disturbing. But then I have seen that NS Moderation has weighed in. Suffice to say, I learn something new about this game everyday ;)

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You might ask Commerce Heights if he has XML feeds from back in the day with his NSEconomy. I'm sure he has something lying around.

As for the delegacy of Atlantis, My region has been a quiet observer of Atlantis, and a long time ago aided in an attempted invasion. At that time Tom Joad was delegate, and the only other delegate I have dealt with was a few months ago when I spoke with Kylaai after the elections and we were discussing including Atlantis in our Regional Forums.

Maybe this new information will verify your contentions.

It had certainly looked like something else when I joined the current defense action.

As I have mentioned before if the contentions check out I will depart the region.

Edit by Orleans: my "Internet Explorer doesn't know how to handle this type of file you have selected". I'm going to repost my first one near as I can remember it in short: My angst of muckraking is wearing me out! For your contentions to be verified, please defenders for Kylaai post the information that verifies your contentions!

only got the current one at the moment:

<REGIONINFO>
<NAME>Atlantis</NAME>
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<FACTBOOK>
There exists a region located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean populated by a noble and peaceful race. The people of this land possess great wealth thanks to the natural resources found throughout their region. The region is a center for trade and commerce, peace and prosperity. This is the region of Atlantis.

Atlantis is now a Protectorate of Pacific Defenders, who have liberated the region from an oppresive regime with plans to re-install the rightful delegate, Azuline Ataraxia.
</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>23</NUMNATIONS>
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<NATIONS>
roman_might:wengren:alicea:miriamana:itaros:stoic_philosophers:malcoria:
corpasia:zelinar:perpetual_bliss:icksfilia:hylind:anahuacalli:avain:malagrunt:
corstrys:instant_oatmeal:fpl:the_island_of_orleans:kyndoria:kylaai:
neo_atlantica:abattoir
</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>0</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>4</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>0</FOUNDER>
</REGIONINFO>

Here I have converted the files to image so you can see

1-6 are in order a full look at the regional message center from May 18th of this year from top to bottom

the big list shows from the same day, 25th in the world Kylaai and possible you can confirm the number of nations registered to nationstates by looking on the bottom maybe NS has record of that.

..

Also from these you can see i used "The Free Land" as my pre name showing that I had less than 500 million at this time, again dating the images.

In response to the unwarranted action against the current delegate, politcally underhanded actions were taken to assure the ascension of Azuline Ataraxia to the delegacy of Atlantis. By no means is Azuline the rightful delegate of Atlantis, but was in fact defeated in an election by The Reformed Islands of Kylaai.

As for the traitorous actions of Hylind in allowing and aiding such an invasion, it can only be expressed that we are very dissappointed. Regional stability was compromised due to this action, as is evident by the rise of these powers in Atlantis. I have returned to what was once my home region to assist Kylaai in regaining their rightful position as delegate, and can only ask that others attempt to aid us in this current crisis.

It is sad that a nation would revert to such barbarous means to gain power in a region, even if the region is for a moment inactive. Means of reviving the region have already been discussed without Azuline Ataraxia in the picture, and only by placing Kylaai back where they belong can they be implemented.

If anyone wishes to aid us in this quest, could you please address telegrams to myself or Kylaai. This incident has already peaked interest from some foreign nations, and getting the story straight is our main priority at this time.

Your accusations against Hylind are unwarranted. Kylaai herself gave me the password, not Hylind. She herself opened up the region to any sort of action, proving again our contention that she does not have the best interest of Atlantis in mind. She's allowed the region to slowly settle into a state of ennui. Hylind simply wanted to revive it, allow new nations in, and restore Atlantis to it's former glory, not be the shadow of it's former self. But was what forgotten in all this is how powerful a motivator ego can be here on NS, and it sure seems Kylaai's ego does not allow the possibilty that others don't want her as delegate so she resorts to nothing more than Hylind did. Bringing in outsiders. Now she's gone crying to the Mods. People need to realize that NS is not like recess in 4th grad. You can't go running to the teacher everytime someone sticks their tongue out at you.

The Dominion of Corstrys
Received: 2 days ago I'm not the person to argue the point with. Bring it to the Moderation forum, that is the place.

You told me to go to the moderators, so don't use it against me now.


As an impartial observer, I am formally requesting of you the password, so that I can make sure no invaders disrupt the democratic proceedings in Atlantis.

You said you were impartial, and in earlier telegrams you indicated you were a "UN Observer" and your accomplice indicated if I did not divulge the password my nation would be deleted.

Upon receiving the password, you yourself became the invader that disrupted the democratic proceedings in Atlantis.


These quotes from a telegram sent two days ago still visible in my TG box for moderators to confirm if needed.

Edit: In fact, heres an image of the telegram, followed up by the notification that you entered the region and immediately ejected me. So democratic.

gul·li·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gl-bl)
adj.
Easily deceived or duped.


and I fail to see how entering a region then two days ejecting you later constitues "immediately"

but it's ok, Kylaai, you twist those words however you need to to prove to yourself how loved you are and what a victim you have become. Do what you need to do, we're finding it all highly amusing. I'd invite you into the aim chat we have going on right now, but I'm afraid your fragile ego might see things she might not like.

gul·li·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gl-bl)
adj.
Easily deceived or duped.


Well at least you are admitting that you unfairly stole the region, because I think that that was one thing we were trying to establish here.




and I fail to see how entering a region then two days ejecting you later constitues "immediately"

You didnt enter the region two days ago. Once you acquired delegacy (Last night) You immediately ejected me.

And, thanks to the helpful staff at proboards, I present the Elections Forum from the most recent Atlantis Elections.

http://atlelections.proboards25.com

wrong dear. I entered sunday night. for 24 hours Hylind was the delegate, but of course, you didn't happen to notice that, did ya.

and if all this name-calling, whining and boo-hoo-hoo-ing of Kylaai is an example of the average NS player then this ain't a game or a community I want to be part of. I prefer my internet interactions with a crowd out of training diapers, thanks.

wrong dear. I entered sunday night. for 24 hours Hylind was the delegate, but of course, you didn't happen to notice that, did ya.

and if all this name-calling, whining and boo-hoo-hoo-ing of Kylaai is an example of the average NS player then this ain't a game or a community I want to be part of. I prefer my internet interactions with a crowd out of training diapers, thanks.

You can't eject me when you arent delegate, so i dont understand what you are getting at, the point is you ejected me the second you became delegate, which is probably against some rule in itself

it's not violating any rule, as long as I immediately remove you from the ban list, which I did.

accept it Kylaai, even the natives of Atlantis who are active (all 3 of them) don't really want you as delegate, or we would not be in this situation. Do them, yourself, and everyone a favor. Gracefully withdraw as I have. Let them decide amongst themselves who they want to lead them. If they want you to serve again as delegate, they'll ask you to come back, if not, let the region find it's own path. Do the mature thing here. Don't let your ego kill this region.

My ego isn't killing the region, the Inactivity of other elected members is. If you had asked me questions about the region instead of just attacking me, you might have found that out. This goes for Hylind too. I did not know about this thread until today. Other users, however, have actually asked about the status and plans of the region, and they have been informed as such.

Well it is evident that the facts underscore that the nations previously posting here in this thread have been quite involved with the region for months. This argument is taking on the proportions of a U.S. Presidential election, with all its charges and countercharges.

My initial review of the situation told me that potentially there was NS rulebreaking going on. Nice to see that NS Moderation made its ruling (I learned something I can use in the future ;). But having said that I see that some of the charges lodged by Kylaai are, well, caught up in the quest for the delegacy.

You can't eject me when you arent delegate, so i dont understand what you are getting at, the point is you ejected me the second you became delegate, which is probably against some rule in itself

it's not violating any rule, as long as I immediately remove you from the ban list, which I did.

Unless I am misunderstanding NS rules, I believe Corstrys is correct.
And I see that Kylaai was allowed to return, along with several nations that endorsed him (and Corstrys ejected none of them).

accept it Kylaai, even the natives of Atlantis who are active (all 3 of them) don't really want you as delegate, or we would not be in this situation. Do them, yourself, and everyone a favor. Gracefully withdraw as I have. Let them decide amongst themselves who they want to lead them. If they want you to serve again as delegate, they'll ask you to come back, if not, let the region find it's own path. Do the mature thing here. Don't let your ego kill this region.

My ego isn't killing the region, the Inactivity of other elected members is. If you had asked me questions about the region instead of just attacking me, you might have found that out. This goes for Hylind too. I did not know about this thread until today. Other users, however, have actually asked about the status and plans of the region, and they have been informed as such.

It doesn't help things Corstrys and Kylaai to keep sparring over the region.
I am satisified that my original actions (of endorsing Corstrys and his WFE intention) were just. I see though that Kylaai is indeed a native and though s/he has different designs than Corstrys s/he has shown his real interest in being in Atlantis.

Neither nation nor their supporters are "invaders" in the traditional sense.
I do suggest however that Kylaai take Corstrys' lead and depart the region to await an outcome. It maybe that the region will then effectively be dead. Or its remaining natives could actually make a choice that neither Corstrys nor Kylaai expect!

I shall be departing the region and wish everyone all the best.

Hey there, this is the other (and main) incarnation of Neo Atlantica.

Sorry to see that the mud-slinging got a little out of hand there, but I am pleased that the situation ended somewhat amicably. It's nice that reason can prevail every now and then.

I hardly see how one person getting fed up with the bs of some people on NS constitutes "amicably". And the only reason that prevailed was that, like so many others, I've gotten tired of the playground mentality that seems to run rampant on NS.

Bit that's for you all to deal with, I got more important things to do with my time, like watching infomercials. My nations will not trouble any of you anymore. We're done. Peace out.

I never claim to be the rightul delegate, I claim to be the person who could've ruled much better than Kylaai, had I been given the chance.

This mud-slinging and confusion even muddies my mind, and i was there for all of it. (Yes even after I left Atlantis, I was always there.)

I do not doubt that you would have been a great delegate, AA. However, the election was fair and Kylaai was named delegate rightfully. I just didn't want the rightful delegacy to be taken away like that.

I believe you are good for the region, but maybe you should first try to change things without having being delegate.

Oh, and let me restate something I stated earlier for you Corstrys. I'm glad everyone, with the exception of you, saw the light of reason. It was not about how good a job he was doing as delegate, but the fact that he was RIGHTFULLY the delegate that I even came back to say anything about it.

This playground mentality you talk about is being greatly characterized by your own actions. Congratulations.