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The Defender Orginization: ADN (Alliance Defense Network) is INVADING The North Pacific due to fear of losing The North Pacific's participation. I think this is an interesting story. I cannot beleive this is actually occuring. They are endorsing the nation "Better Times". Can anyone else understand this?

First, this belongs in gameplay, not in General.

Second, the ADN is not invading TNP. Better Times has been there since he became delegate after Great Bight.

Also... the ADN isn't going to overtake the current delegate or the next person in line immediately. They don't have the over 300 endorsements it would take.

The North Pacific is safe. No worries. :p

I'd be mighty annoyed if the NP is overtaken again by some selfrighteous organization. The NPO a while ago was bad enough.

Sorry, I have never really posted a thread like this before. But Een if they cannot win, they are trying. They ARE currently endorsing Better Times to cease delegacy.

They can't cease the delegacy. And The North Pacific is a part of the ADN. There's no current talks to stop being a part of the ADN. So they should have no worries.

Anyways, this is a pointless conversation to have on the forums, you should hold it on TNP forums or the Regional HQ

The word "Invasion" is also unfair, as Free4All/Better Times has done everything by the book and declared his candidacy in the correct manner.

Whether or not we agree with his attempt to gain the delegacy we must respect his right to do so.

The PRP must be removed from power.
Sorry, I have never really posted a thread like this before. But Een if they cannot win, they are trying. They ARE currently endorsing Better Times to cease delegacy.

Please specify the nations of the ADN military that are currently endorsing Better Times.

:rolleyes: This has to be one of the more ridiculous accusations that have been thrown at ADN in quite a while. Just so everyone is perfectly clear, we are not invading The North Pacific. No such order has been given by me or any other person in ADN. Better Times' endorsements are to my knowledge all native.
Since "The Variable" is the one who wants to cause this controversy here, I think it would be interesting to note that nation is a puppet of Feindsburough of CDi (or as they like to be called now "The Empire").

I never claimed to be anything. I am just stating the facts. Twist them as you will, and use my being an invader to your advantage. Also, I am Feindsburough, but not of The CDi, or The Empire. I am from Invaders, I am a member of The Empire, but not from The Empire. You figure labeling me from Invaders could serve your purpose better as what we do is in our name...

Could a moderator... anyone please, move this out of general.

Now on to the topic at hand:
I don't care whether you're an invader or not. Better Times or Free4all, whatever you want to call him, has as much right as anyone to endoswap his way to the delegacy of TNP.

THE ADN IS NOT INVADING. The North Pacific is fine. We will continue to be fine. Just give it up.... :headbang:

This is bullshit, even if Better Times was invading (which he's not) he isn't ADN he's ALL. Invader scum please get your facts right in future.

I must say this doesn't surprise me, there has been alot of fantasy about the ADN of lot all which serves the tyranny of the PRP very well. The ADN is just a defender group, nothing more nothing less and it is in far better shape now the politics have been taken out of it I can tell you!

I'm not in a position to say whether or not this particular case is true, but we've known for a long time that the ADN is willing to sway regional issues with the heaviest of heavy hands, and with little thought as to the legitimacy of the claims one way or the other.

I'm sure that someone will now come along and accuse me of being an invader :rolleyes:

lol an invasion in the north pacific? lol first you dont give away an invasion and second they have over 300 endoresements maybe you try to take over SMALLER Regions

Yeah, that'll happen.

Right after the ADN invasions of the Rejected Realms, Nasicournia, Equilism, and The Proletariat Coalition.

Yeah, that'll happen.

Right after the ADN invasions of the Rejected Realms, Nasicournia, Equilism, and The Proletariat Coalition.


They already happened though, you just dont know it yet.

The Defender Orginization: ADN (Alliance Defense Network) is INVADING The North Pacific due to fear of losing The North Pacific's participation. I think this is an interesting story. I cannot beleive this is actually occuring. They are endorsing the nation "Better Times". Can anyone else understand this?


Bettertimes is an ADN invader puppet owned by Crazy Girl and Free4all of the Dutch Mafia.
Bettertimes was the del imminent during the Griefing attack utilizing an exploit of the loophole in endorsemenst long since fixed..


Now for my favorite part,
the ADN's manifesto states that should a region wish to leave they will be allowed to, they are not allowing the North Pacific to leave of its own free will. Leave to join its free brothers the other Pacifics.

:rolleyes: This has to be one of the more ridiculous accusations that have been thrown at ADN in quite a while. Just so everyone is perfectly clear, we are not invading The North Pacific. No such order has been given by me or any other person in ADN. Better Times' endorsements are to my knowledge all native.
Since "The Variable" is the one who wants to cause this controversy here, I think it would be interesting to note that nation is a puppet of Feindsburough of CDi (or as they like to be called now "The Empire").


And according to all previous accusations of Invasion No order ever was given, the excuse is always

"We did not authorize this action, they are free nations and are free to act as they will, they are performing this action of their own accord"
or something to the effect which grants a plausable deniability and makes most of the more sedentarty of the naitons in teh game believe the action that they just partook of didnt really occure.

you cannot have Honor nor strength if you attempt to subvert from the shadows.
as was stated by others I see paralells to another group in the ADN.

They already happened though, you just dont know it yet.

As Minister of Defence for The Proletariat Coalition I can tell you outright that is simply not true. Also loop stop with the drugs, Better Times is owned by one player F4A and he aint part of no Dutch crime syndicate.

Better Times isn't my puppet, nor has it ever has been, and it is not a nation that belongs to an ADN member..
But maybe your interregional knowledge is so rusty you only know the ADN :rolleyes:

Better Times isn't my puppet, nor has it ever has been, and it is not a nation that belongs to an ADN member..
But maybe your interregional knowledge is so rusty you only know the ADN :rolleyes:

Wag that Dog.

We all know the Dutch mafia is a informal division of the ADN/ALL made up of members of the groups who all (for the most part) reside in the Netherlands.

and I see the Old ADN spirit in the previous posts,
When the truth is presented,
A) accuse the poster of Drug abuse.
B) attempt to discredit the poster in anyway possible.

If this isnt an invasion, then Pull your Troops out of the NP and leave those poor people alone,
they had to suffer through so much over the summer, now they must suffer through an invasion at your hands.
when will the tomfoolery end.

i don't have any troops in the NP, loopy dear :rolleyes:

Wag that Dog.

We all know the Dutch mafia is a informal division of the ADN/ALL made up of members of the groups who all (for the most part) reside in the Netherlands.

and I see the Old ADN spirit in the previous posts,
When the truth is presented,
A) accuse the poster of Drug abuse.
B) attempt to discredit the poster in anyway possible.

If this isnt an invasion, then Pull your Troops out of the NP and leave those poor people alone,
they had to suffer through so much over the summer, now they must suffer through an invasion at your hands.
when will the tomfoolery end.

There is no pattern you're just lying through your teeth.

A)Accusations of Drug abuse.
As Minister of Defence for The Proletariat Coalition I can tell you outright that is simply not true. Also loop stop with the drugs, Better Times is owned by one player F4A and he aint part of no Dutch crime syndicate.

B)Attempst at discreditation.
Better Times isn't my puppet, nor has it ever has been, and it is not a nation that belongs to an ADN member..
But maybe your interregional knowledge is so rusty you only know the ADN


CG if you have no troops there then why did the NP send word to Me asking for Help? they obviously have reason to fear an endorsement swapping bout or a all out invasion.
Most likely a combination of the two.

by the way Im not here to argue the finer points of interregional politics or subvresio0n with you.
I am here to say Let the NP live in peace. or is that possible, is it at all concevialble that the People of the NP may want to direct their own destinies make their own way in the game.
I much like the great Martil Luther King Jr. have a dream, I dream that one day the Pacific s can exist in peace with each other, helping to better the inhabitants of the Pacifics peacefully cooperating with each other, and perhaps setting a grand example for this sanity forsaken game we all all so hopelessly addicted to.
Perhaps one day, one day soon.

when is the last time you read their form? :rolleyes:

the person starting this rumor admitted to this being a truth and dare joke, quite childish, misplaced, but nevertheless, a joke.

when is the last time you read their form? :rolleyes:

the person starting this rumor admitted to this being a truth and dare joke, quite childish, misplaced, but nevertheless, a joke.

Interesting but I was contacted by someone whom I place more trust and faith in teling me the truth than an operative for those who perform shady acts.

as for the forums, if you mean the NP ones I read them once or twice a week.
as fot the AND ones I do believe Im banned as Im not very popular there seeing as how I do not follow the teachings of your Pope.

By the way I see you even blatantly state this in your Sig.
Making NS unsafe since March 2003


I see you do hapily and readily admit that fact.

The drug reference wasn't meant to be fact it was illustrative of your grasp on reality.

I think what happened in TNP is something that's more climate than anythig:

Atopia's blog (http://anarchotopia.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-10_cy-2004_m-10_d-23_y-2004_o-0.html)

As Minister of Defence for The Proletariat Coalition I can tell you outright that is simply not true.


I beleive i said something along the lines of (i'll bold the important part)
They already happened though, you just dont know it yet.

And 1 Infinfite Loop
I do believe Im banned as Im not very popular there seeing as how I do not follow the teachings of your Pope.

Dont worry, PH nearly banned guest posting and viewing (on the old forums) cause of me mentioning where they were wrong on the public forums.

Interesting but I was contacted by someone whom I place more trust and faith in teling me the truth than an operative for those who perform shady acts.
Errr...who? :confused:

I'm MinDef, and I certainly didn't send out a call for help.

The PRP must be removed from power.
If this isnt an invasion, then Pull your Troops out of the NP and leave those poor people alone,
they had to suffer through so much over the summer, now they must suffer through an invasion at your hands.
when will the tomfoolery end.

It's impossible to pull troops out of a region when they aren't in the region.

OH...

Thanks for this, Loop (and numerous invaders posting as selves or with puppets). I needed a good laugh, really I did. :D My internet has been down and checking in to this is a relief. Thank goodness nothing important has happened or been posted.

Funniest part...Free4All isn't even in the ADN. LOL Please, keep it coming. Your smoking gun has been the highlight of my day.

Loop is so obsessed with the ADN, it's extremely endearing!


This is below-the-belt-envy to a whole new level. ;)

I'll help in the invasion, my military nation will ownage some ass on the Pacific;-)

OH...

Thanks for this, Loop (and numerous invaders posting as selves or with puppets). I needed a good laugh, really I did. :D My internet has been down and checking in to this is a relief. Thank goodness nothing important has happened or been posted.

Funniest part...Free4All isn't even in the ADN. LOL Please, keep it coming. Your smoking gun has been the highlight of my day.

Loop is so obsessed with the ADN, it's extremely endearing!


This is below-the-belt-envy to a whole new level. ;)
Just OOI, what is the ADN's policy on individuals taking unilateral action, and how many members of the ADN have to be involved before it is an ADN operation, as opposed to multiple individuals taking action?

Just OOI, what is the ADN's policy on individuals taking unilateral action, and how many members of the ADN have to be involved before it is an ADN operation, as opposed to multiple individuals taking action?
I'm not an ADN official, but:
Individuals can take unilateral action.
An official has to say it is an ADN operation before it is an ADN operation.

Oh, and even if every ADN member was in the North Pacific endorsing Better Times, and if Pope Hope, Unistrut, and Crazy Girl had everyone going in there, it still wouldn't be an invasion, because he announced his candidacy constitutionally.

Oh, and even if every ADN member was in the North Pacific endorsing Better Times, and if Pope Hope, Unistrut, and Crazy Girl had everyone going in there, it still wouldn't be an invasion, because he announced his candidacy constitutionally.

It would be an Invasion cause it is supposed to be natives who put the delegate in power, not an external force (in this case the ADN).

It would be an Invasion cause it is supposed to be natives who put the delegate in power, not an external force (in this case the ADN).
But that was a hypothetical situation anyways. Besides:

* Better Times only cares about his platform. He has said that he would quit running if a better member comes in with a better platform. The last time he had the delegacy(to get rid of Great Blight) he gave it away immediately to Thel D'Ran, the rightful delegate.
* Better Times aka Free4All is not, not, NOT ADN! How many times do we have to say: BETTER TIMES IS NOT PART OF THE ADN!
* Most of BT's endorsements are from natives; some are in the ADN via the North Pacific, but they're all still North Pacific natives.
* There was no command to move in.
* TNP is still a strong member of the ADN and the ALL. Neither of them have any reason to attack TNP.
* Insane Power's post was part of a game of Truth or Dare, he himself said it!

Umm... its Thel DRan not Thel D'Ran, just thought i would point that out.

OH...

Thanks for this, Loop (and numerous invaders posting as selves or with puppets). I needed a good laugh, really I did. :D My internet has been down and checking in to this is a relief. Thank goodness nothing important has happened or been posted.

Funniest part...Free4All isn't even in the ADN. LOL Please, keep it coming. Your smoking gun has been the highlight of my day.

Loop is so obsessed with the ADN, it's extremely endearing!


This is below-the-belt-envy to a whole new level. ;)

Perhaps the game would benefit if your internet were to be down for say 61 days?
and as for your roster, you have long denied any of your members who perform illicit activities, such as, the fellows who invaded Italy a while back,
even though they were ADN you shifted the blame off to the FA.
And your membership is never conveniently officially members if they are performing these actions.
Not obsessed, just pointing out the truth regardless of your spin applied liberally to cover the imperfections, you operate a griefier orginization,
you invaded North Ireland, Ukraine, Italy, the Pacific shortly after FS Died and many other regions for whatever reasons you want.
I remember when your group first came to be, and well, it has degraded severly.

Well, I grow weary of arguing with the brick wall so lovingly called the ADN,
Perhaps eventually the players of this game will finally unite and say leave us alone, till then, 61, is a magic number.

Loop, you are completely out of line. That is a blatant out of character flame, and I won't tolerate it. Perhaps you weren't watching the other thread which was closed for personal attacks. Flaming is against the rules for a reason here.

Playful jabs is all in the fun of the game, but once you cross that line into real life insults and ill wishes, it's no longer a game.

My internet connection is back up, now as long as I remember this comment of yours and realize that I can no longer have OOC conversations with you as a friend, I'll be fine.

Umm... its Thel DRan not Thel D'Ran, just thought i would point that out.

I thought it was "Thel D'Ran" actually, and that Thel dropped the ' because the game doesn't accept that in a nation name.

Ballotonia

I thought it was "Thel D'Ran" actually, and that Thel dropped the ' because the game doesn't accept that in a nation name.

Ballotonia
Ballo, you're right. On the North Pacific forums(and on most others), his username is Thel D'Ran.

I wouldn't attribute Loop's severely compromised view of reality to drugs or any other sort of external influence. It is my impression that Loop's obsessive stupidity is entirely of his own manufacture, and any attribution of external influence only serves as an excuse.

so if a official doesn't confirm it not there fault

Interesting that a official has to confirm ADN operation's before they are true.Good way to cover up i think but hey who am i to argue.I can assure that i am investigating claims in to N.Ireland and Ukraine and will report all to the NS people ;)

Regards ADN :D

And let me tell you how much we care. :D We know all about you. ;)

It is my impression that Loop's obsessive stupidity is entirely of his own manufacture, and any attribution of external influence only serves as an excuse.

Wouldnt that be considered a personall attack, along with accusing him of Drugs.

And Pope Hope, what do you know about European Commander? Believe me i know a fair bit about him, and i talk to him frequently.

Wouldnt that be considered a personall attack, along with accusing him of Drugs.

And Pope Hope, what do you know about European Commander? Believe me i know a fair bit about him, and i talk to him frequently.


Well past performances state that it is only a personal attack if it is being leveled against the ADN, however the ADN can level them against non ADN folks all day long with no Ill being seen. also you need to be sure to tag it with a smiley and a cute affectation too.

Ah i see, so basically what your saying is, if the ADN do it, its ok, but if anyone else does it its an attack? And make sure it has the 'cute affectionate' smilie on it to add insult? I'll have to try that sometime.