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How many know about the region GOONTOPIA, and its associates, and what they are up to. I thought i start a thread on this, and see what others have to say.

I read a couple posts about them over in the UN forums, and I've done some poking about on my own since then.

I've noticed that a fair number of their members use the image of a black hand genade on a light blue field as their flag. It may just be me tilting a windmills, but I have a hunch it might be signifigant. I'm fairly certain I've seen that picture somewhere before, but I'm just not sure where... a website logo or something maybe.

I've also noted that the Goontopians have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40 satilite regions, the majority of whose members are part of the UN. That, and the page for some of those regions makes mention of some sort of plot or agenda to remake the NSUN in their own image.

Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.

Search for threads threads mentioning goontopia (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=88285)
Last I checked, Goontopia and its satillites can be found on pgs 244-247 of the region listing.

I heard they're a cult called the Genos. They run around online and invade various games and chatrooms to preach their particular brand of fucked-up religion, which, from what I can tell, involves following a path to some kind of grey light or something. They started calling eachother goons because so many online chat groups have banned/blocked any reference to geno. I'm giving them a month before they're so annoying/pervasive that they get banned outright en masse; everywhere else I've seen them go they've been banned. I had thought they were just some online cult but there was actually a ritualistic suicide of one of them in real life in Illinois. The guy was young, shaved his head, dressed in greys, and only ate grey food before going to his final destination.

For more info on them google stuff like "geno" "genos" "prismatic" "grey" "the path" and soforth.

Here's a thread where there is speculation:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=90077

I've also noted that the Goontopians have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40 satilite regions, the majority of whose members are part of the UN. That, and the page for some of those regions makes mention of some sort of plot or agenda to remake the NSUN in their own image.

Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.

Search for threads threads mentioning goontopia (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=88285)
Last I checked, Goontopia and its satillites can be found on pgs 244-247 of the region listing.

That's what I've heard as well. Creepy, really.

Awesome! Lets harass them. We’ll invade their regions and worship the color green, or Styrofoam cups or something. We’ll show them who the online cult is.

Everybody start chanting after me: Nationstates, Nationstates, Nationstates, Nationstates,

Genos are leet like jeff k. I don't see what you guys have against them. :confused:

Genos are leet like jeff k. I don't see what you guys have against them. :confused:

I don't know anything about Genos and can't attest to the validity of what Leaping Legs said.

What I do know is that the Goontopian regions are creepy.

I heard they're a cult called the Genos. They run around online and invade various games and chatrooms to preach their particular brand of fucked-up religion, which, from what I can tell, involves following a path to some kind of grey light or something. They started calling eachother goons because so many online chat groups have banned/blocked any reference to geno. I'm giving them a month before they're so annoying/pervasive that they get banned outright en masse; everywhere else I've seen them go they've been banned. I had thought they were just some online cult but there was actually a ritualistic suicide of one of them in real life in Illinois. The guy was young, shaved his head, dressed in greys, and only ate grey food before going to his final destination.

For more info on them google stuff like "geno" "genos" "prismatic" "grey" "the path" and soforth.

Here's a thread where there is speculation:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=90077

please leave the internet

I read the topic and thought someone had misspelled my name :(

Goodness...that is a rather interesting observation...there seem to be at least 27 splinter regions trying to get UN resolutions such as
White Proliferation Resolution
Children At War
Freedom of Choice - Drugs
Ban Smoking
Mulatto Act
The Right to Pursue Happiness
Ban Dangerous Technologies
No one who can't work
Let Kids Smoke
EAT the Babies!!
Painkillers
The Loosest Craps in town
The Relxation OF Gun Control
into at least the voting phase.

Scary...I never thought people would go to the trouble of trying to actually manipulate the game like this...

GOONTOPIA eh, never heard of em.

nice job ripping FYAD's motto lardasses

excellent replies. you're right it is a really organized and enthusiastic agenda.
i dont care if they are reading this. i know they are. but, what should we do about these goons. i think we should have a proposal that does not intend on changing the rules, or explicitly mentioning "goontopia" but instead discusses that the UN and its members condemn any action that undermines its mission, etc.. what do u think?

Think of them as a Francos Spain for the UN, except their agenda affects not just a single region but a full third of the active game nations.

Take a look at your UN resolution at vote, folks - this No Marriage Under Age of 15 would not have made Quorum without the support of the Goons. If allowed to pass, every UN nation (Raider, Delegate, UN forum participant) will take a significant hit to their civil freedoms. Why? Because they think it's funny to screw with us.

Some nations have been playing for two years or more. These guys have been here two weeks, and they're already skewing the UN votes to suit. Who knows what they'll do next?

If they only allow the color grey then why so many flags with other colors?

I don't have any colours in my flag for that reason among others; Grey is the only colour without an opposite and therefore the only colour unopposed. On the colour scale everything has an inverse except absolute grey. But I had no idea there was some large internet cult obsessed with such considerations.

I've noticed that a fair number of their members use the image of a black hand genade on a light blue field as their flag. It may just be me tilting a windmills, but I have a hunch it might be signifigant. I'm fairly certain I've seen that picture somewhere before, but I'm just not sure where... a website logo or something maybe.


Its the logo for http://www.somethingawful.com/ describing themselves as 'goons' is also consistent with SA.

If they only allow the color grey then why so many flags with other colors?

I don't have any colours in my flag for that reason among others; Grey is the only colour without an opposite and therefore the only colour unopposed. On the colour scale everything has an inverse except absolute grey. But I had no idea there was some large internet cult obsessed with such considerations.

WHAT

excellent replies. you're right it is a really organized and enthusiastic agenda.
i dont care if they are reading this. i know they are. but, what should we do about these goons. i think we should have a proposal that does not intend on changing the rules, or explicitly mentioning "goontopia" but instead discusses that the UN and its members condemn any action that undermines its mission, etc.. what do u think?
Your plan is both secret and effective, they will never see it coming :rolleyes:

The Goons' UN powerplay just got trumped.

[violet]: You can now attempt to have a UN resolution repealed (http://www.nationstates.net/news/)

So, now that somethingawful.com goons can no longer wreck the game by permanently forcing stupidity on the rest of us, maybe they'll go find another playground.

Being able to to put proposals up for repeal is a two-edged sword... Sure, you can cull the idiocy, but those who made the proposals in the fist place have access to the same buttons as everyone else.

I've compiled a list of the current known goontopias at the time of this post (see attached). Keep in mind that things may have changed.
It would help if someone could get me some info on how may votes each of their delegates has. It'd also be nice to have some numbers on exactly how many of the goonies are UN members.

The Goons' UN powerplay just got trumped.

[violet]: You can now attempt to have a UN resolution repealed (http://www.nationstates.net/news/)

So, now that somethingawful.com goons can no longer wreck the game by permanently forcing stupidity on the rest of us, maybe they'll go find another playground.
This will end well.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Here we see people complaining about other nations trying to play the game in ways that are absolutely and completely legal. Who are you to tell us what we can and cannot vote for? You go and play the game, I'll go and play the game, everyone else will go play the game, and we'll see what happens.

excellent replies. you're right it is a really organized and enthusiastic agenda.
i dont care if they are reading this. i know they are. but, what should we do about these goons. i think we should have a proposal that does not intend on changing the rules, or explicitly mentioning "goontopia" but instead discusses that the UN and its members condemn any action that undermines its mission, etc.. what do u think?

Oh, that's a WONDERFUL idea. "Let's impose fascism on the UN so that people can't do things I don't want them to!" Have you considered how much you're overreacting? Just play the game.

What's to stop us from repealing it after you pass it? :rolleyes:

This will end well.
Only one of you can see that this will totally backfire?
And by you I mean us.

I don't think that trying to legislate the problem through the UN will have much effect.

The UN members will have to either organise voting blocks of their own to counter the Goontopian influance, or organise raiding forces to invade the Goontopian regions.

As for the Goontopians repealing any proposals, That would depend on how many how votes they can actually pull togeather...

I don't think that trying to legislate the problem through the UN will have much effect.

The UN members will have to either organise voting blocks of their own to counter the Goontopian influance, or organise raiding forces to invade the Goontopian regions.

As for the Goontopians repealing any proposals, That would depend on how many how votes they can actually pull togeather...

Considering the Goontopians appear to be the largest organized voting bloc in NS history, I suspect the UN won't have much luck. :p

Which means that the othe UN members need to start recruiting.
Roughly two thirds of the nations on NS have nothing to do with the UN, and if the UN's current members can convice them to pitch in, then they might have a chance.

The new ability to repeal resolutions means that some past members who left due to differances over a proposal may concider rejoining

Then there's the Invaders... I've noticed that you Goontopians tend to spread yourselves rather thinnly and your regions (some of which likely don't follow the established naming pattern) make for a rather tempting target for invaders.

One thing I am quite curious about: What exactly does Goontopia's agenda entail? Aside from controlling the NSUN by means of a massive voting bloc...

I don't speak for the other Goontopias, but as far as I know they're all passworded. Give us credit for not being stupid :rolleyes:

I never said you were. :)

I'm a neutral party in this affair, and I'm mostly following it out of curiosity.

I never said you were. :)

I'm a neutral party in this affair, and I'm mostly following it out of curiosity.
Essentially we're doing what real-world nations do with the UN today. We band together to promote changes that favor our desired policy. Perhaps that is free trade, perhaps that is human rights, but by organizing into a cohesive voting force we can engender change to make NS a better world to live in.

I never said you were. :)

I'm a neutral party in this affair, and I'm mostly following it out of curiosity.

You're not a neutral party in this affair, you're an alarmist yellow journalist trying to convince Nationstates that anyone in a Goontopia is a threat to their independence, then you advocate raiding their regions.

If anyone is an aggressive threat to the way other nations play the game, it's you.

Wouldn't the ablity to repeal resolutions just be a kind of moderator decison if the proposal breaks the rules? Not a re-vote?

Why all the hate ? :(

Part of the game is to build your own Utopia. As it stands now, UN resolutions severly impede the creation of said Utopia.

Look at the recently passed resolution. You think, it is about protecting your precious freighters. But what about the pirates? :(
Nobody gives a damn about their rights!

Somebody has to counteract such dangerous decisions in the future.

Don't hate, love.

Personally, I'm all for this kind of stuff. Though I may not agree with the views that these regions are promoting, the whole process is really quite fascinating. Engineering this plan must have taken at least some effort, and it adds some ingenious variety to what is otherwise a rather (no offense intended, really) bland political simulation. And, as it's been pointed out, all this is perfectly within the legal constraints of the game...

Something Awful goons are a sight to behold. There's like 40,000 of them and they all paid at least 10 bucks to be that way. Beware.

no doubt they are not breaking the rules, and no doubt it is quite a clever play on their part, however, it is also our duty to ensure that goontopia does not successfully undermine the UN. look, its simple, their aim is to pass any piece of crap proposal, especially those that cause chaos in our nations. just read their HQ board. they want to make us look like fools. they are pretty much forming their own IGO, but using the legitimate UN to do that. although, nations like this make the game interesting, it is essential that we counter their efforts. they are making moves, and so must we. if we dont, then we are not playing the game. so, what do u say, lets play the game.

Wouldn't the ablity to repeal resolutions just be a kind of moderator decison if the proposal breaks the rules? Not a re-vote?
September 23 News (http://www.nationstates.net/news/2004/09/23/index.html#repeals)
New: Passed UN Resolutions page (http://www.nationstates.net/news/2004/09/23/index.html#repeals)

I am The Pointing Monkey, UN Delegate for the region of Goontopia. I am here to answer all Goontopia related question in a civil manner. Ask away.

no doubt they are not breaking the rules, and no doubt it is quite a clever play on their part, however, it is also our duty to ensure that goontopia does not successfully undermine the UN. look, its simple, their aim is to pass any piece of crap proposal, especially those that cause chaos in our nations. just read their HQ board. they want to make us look like fools. they are pretty much forming their own IGO, but using the legitimate UN to do that. although, nations like this make the game interesting, it is essential that we counter their efforts. they are making moves, and so must we. if we dont, then we are not playing the game. so, what do u say, lets play the game.

I'm willing to bet you haven't ever actually read the SA forums. We have no such intentions. I think you're blowing things way out of proportion for the sake of cheap drama.

The above poster is a moron, so is the one below this.

*posts*

Ah, f-

I read a couple posts about them over in the UN forums, and I've done some poking about on my own since then.

I've noticed that a fair number of their members use the image of a black hand genade on a light blue field as their flag. It may just be me tilting a windmills, but I have a hunch it might be signifigant. I'm fairly certain I've seen that picture somewhere before, but I'm just not sure where... a website logo or something maybe.

*shrug*

I'm honestly surprised no "invader" / tank rush group hasn't done this before.

But with the repeal process agreed upon and information flowing, the UN isn't as easy to invade and control as a region.

I don't have a problem with a group of like minded nations banding together to put resolutions to a vote. Heck, part of the reason I left a feeder region for a small region was to help endorse well written proposals.

Nothing going on here changes that. In fact, I'm counting on Goontopian Delegates to toss their endorsements on any of my proposals they like (but beware folks ... I don't always propose my proposals ... sometimes I hand them to allies). ;)

My advice to nations worried about a large endorsing (not voting) bloc, why don't you visit the IDU (link below) and help me organize a "Delegate Contact List" and a "Do Not Call List" and let's just write some damn good proposals. Quality can win out.

More importantly, if the Goons want to write good proposals, I'm more than happy to support them. If they want to offer advice on our proposals, again, I'm all ears.

I don't see any harm here.

NS users = :confused:
UN = :mad:
GOONTOPIA = :sniper:

Any questions?

Isn't it just a large region creating smaller regions so it can pass get its UN proposal on the ballot?(you need 137 endorsements) Just because its on the ballot does not mean it will pass.

That seems all part of the game as much as fighting against it. So relax folks.

No proposal will pass umnless you get the Pacific delegates to vote for it.

But it is suspiciously well organized. Not that I care.

What's the meaning of life?

And, if you're all so concerned about this supposed "threat," why not simply try to organize a similar voting bloc to cancel out Goontopia's?

Wait! One more question-won't creating new UN delegates raise the number needed to get a resolution to the voting stage?

Even if they had 100 delegates it still does not guarantee they could pass anything.

But again, they show iniative. They're thinking outside the box.(did i just say that?)

My response to the Goontopia threat is to set up the Anti Goontopia Alliance or (AGA) to stop the manipulation of world politics and the United Nations.
Who wants their Region to be apart of the AGA?

My response to the Goontopia threat is to set up the Anti Goontopia Alliance or (AGA) to stop the manipulation of world politics and the United Nations.
Who wants their Region to be apart of the AGA?So is the general idea just to research everything the various Goontopias are supporting and then vote against them, no matter what their stance is? What are you going to do if you notice any Goontopian actions supporting issues that you agree with?

It sounds a bit like a waste of time, not to mention that you're letting them completely dictate your gameplay. Did you actually give up UN membership from an existing nation to create this? Or are you just planning on having more than one nation active in the UN (which I thought was against the rules)? Sorry if those are stupid questions, I'm still a noob so I don't yet understand how all this works.

Sorry if those are stupid questions, I'm still a noob so I don't yet understand how all this works.
No, you're a newb (a new player, not a dumb player), because these are not stupid questions.

The Goons have an interesting program, and more power to them for thinking of it. What they don't appear to have is full control over their block-voting, and it's not likely that it'll matter all that much. If they get their organization in gear, they have the potential to hold a great deal of sway over the UN, in the same way that Francos Spain did over The Pacific. It won't really matter to the majority of the players, as generally only a third of active nations are also UN members.

The concept of an AGA region is foolish. What you would need is a series of AGA regions, and the political pull to make your Delegates fall in line with your block-voting instructions. I suspect even the Goons have this problem, as the vast majority of interesting things happen more in the Forums than in the game itself, and their players are likely to become bored and wander off. That is the true weakness of a voting block. Francos Spain could control his region by executive fiat and personal control. The Goons must be persuaded to follow their leader, a MUCH harder task.

Having seen the Goons in action for a few weeks now, I say "Welcome". You've done much to revitalize the concept of UN Delegacy, and made NS players more aware of the power of organization. This game is so big that your membership can't consume us in a single bite, but you've brought vital and vibrant new players to a game that needed them.

Heh. Here I was, one of the first to cry 'foul' to their arrival. Now they're starting to grow on me. Go figure.

Goodness...that is a rather interesting observation...there seem to be at least 27 splinter regions trying to get UN resolutions such as

into at least the voting phase.

Scary...I never thought people would go to the trouble of trying to actually manipulate the game like this...

How is this different than invaders sneaking into a region and then ejecting and banning natives?

Though I agree, many of those resolutions sound really almost like they should be deleted.

interesting the SA Forum Goons are here too, hate to have to break it to ya, the Farkers got here about two years ago.

I am The Pointing Monkey, UN Delegate for the region of Goontopia. I am here to answer all Goontopia related question in a civil manner. Ask away.
Would you present the official platform for the goontopian Brotherhood? I am interested in knowing what you support.

How many members are there in Goontopia? 130 endorsers may get you onto a quorum but if said delegates only have 2 endorsements each that's 390 votes plus however many are in the region. Make that a total of 500 that's less than 4% of the total UN vote.

This will increase the on floor resolutions. If they're good, they'll pass. If they're bad, the Seven Feeder Delegates (and most of the others) will come down against them and they'll be defeated.

They're just guys from the Something Awful forums. I highly doubt they're trying to screw around with things.

Why did people assume that the marriage resolution was supposed to be an attempt to mess with the "regular" players? It's justifiable. I didn't see that as an attempt to mess people around, there are some real issues with underage marriages. "Public domain" was worse and I don't think the Goons had much to do with that.

The Utopians region is made up of people who also play Utopia. The Farktopias were people from Fark. It's not a big deal and I don't think it's a big deal. Anything sneaked in under the wrong category would be deleted by the mods, and as the failure of the underage marriage resolution shows, it's not that hard to defeat one which would cause problems. Until I see something to the contrary, it's much ado about nothing.

How many members are there in Goontopia? 130 endorsers may get you onto a quorum but if said delegates only have 2 endorsements each that's 390 votes plus however many are in the region. Make that a total of 500 that's less than 4% of the total UN vote.

This will increase the on floor resolutions. If they're good, they'll pass. If they're bad, the Seven Feeder Delegates (and most of the others) will come down against them and they'll be defeated.

Exactly.

For the record, half of the Goontopians I telegrammed endorsed my proposal, the other half I telegrammed did not. I think they are most likely as different as the rest of us. :)