NationStates Jolt Archive

First off, I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum, I really dont know where it should be. Now...

One of the stickies in this forum, the invader FAQ, contains the following sentence:

"The mods have decided that invasions are legal, but that doesn't mean that the mods like invasions. Infact, most, if not all, region invading is the bane of nationstates, so don't go blaming them."

Now this I dont understand. Region crashing is indeed considered 'the bane of NS' by many if not all, including, strangely, defenders. Now let us examine that statement. For region crashing to be the bane of NS, surely that means that it is something that a few players enjoy, but the majority of NS players do not enjoy.

While it is true that the 'invadees' may not enjoy the invasion, so long as the invasion is conducted more or less within the vague rules set out, it is not overly distressing. The strangest thing is that the defender groups seem to actually hate invaders, and some have even wanted invading to be banned. This I really dont understand. Invading is what keeps defenders in a job in NS. Without invaders there are, quite simply, no defenders. There are no invaders or defenders and a lot of NS players will leave. Also the larger regions have government position, and generally armies.

Invading is what keeps most of the active non-RPers playing NS, and quite frankly if you remove invading a lot of the game is simply gone, as are a lot of it's player. Therefore I dont understand how it can be considered the 'bane of NS', as many players seem to think it is...

it's easy:

ooc, i like invaders, especially when they know the rules and follow them (same goes for defenders).
i talk to them, have fun with them, chase them around, and we keep the game exciting for each other.

ic, sorta anyway, we are enemies, and fight against each other. it's how we play.

Many defenders are like Crazy Girl, but there are also some who get overly moralistic and want to stop invasions altogether. They're the less likable ones.

I don't mind region crashing if its within the rules. Although, the region my race is a member of will not likely get "crashed" anytime soon ;)

Many defenders are like Crazy Girl, but there are also some who get overly moralistic and want to stop invasions altogether. They're the less likable ones.

Yeah. And there are invaders who hate the ADN with a passion.

Yeah. And there are invaders who hate the ADN with a passion.


I think the more experienced invaders don't, the new ones do though. I worked with some experienced invaders from the EoP and they respected the ADN.

But then i worked with some people who hated the ADN and a lot of NS players, so i moved my puppet away fast.

The goal of any defender is to stop invasions! Why would we bother otherwise? The point is that we will never succeed in this goal so invaders can't complain really...if anything it is us that makes the game fun for them (Don't believe me? invaders bitch about defenders far more than we do about them).

Invaders cause a lot of problems in the region that they're in, especially when ejecting the natives. They often overthrow democratically elected regional governments (vis The North Pacific, the biggest invader/defender battle ever).

The whole invasion/defending scene probably does attract players. However it may also drive away some if their region gets destroyed by an invader group

I'm a defender myself and we're here to stop that. I personally have a grudging respect for invaders. Like defenders, they are highly coordinated. When FS retired, defenders did send condolences:
http://s7.invisionfree.com/NBC/index.php?showtopic=179

If the "invasion" is a tactful and well-planned one, then, I applaud the invaders for a tactically sound plan that worked; however, there are very few of those invasions left in the game, so the griefing type, is often the form looked down upon within the game.

Because why would you support someone coming into to your region and causing trouble, bugging members and you etc. my region has encountered this several times (3 or more) and as part of the regions security council I dealt with the issue by kicking there asses out and annihiliating them! Things have gone well since then.

The goal of any defender is to stop invasions! Why would we bother otherwise? The point is that we will never succeed in this goal so invaders can't complain really...if anything it is us that makes the game fun for them (Don't believe me? invaders bitch about defenders far more than we do about them).
That's BS. Some intelligent defenders realise that without invasions, the game would be really dull. And the anti-invader rhetoric that comes out of the ADN and similar organisations is far more bitter and personal, and larger in pervasiveness and volume than the invaders anti-defender talk, which is mainly as expression of annoyance at individual plans foiled than it is at a wholesale anti-invader. (case in point: your attempt at character assassination of me based on the fact merely that you believed (and without any proof) that I was an invader)

I was an invader, the new invader groups are generally inept groups of angry 13 year olds. shameful.

I have started a new defender group:
s4.invisionfree.com/IDC

I was an invader, the new invader groups are generally inept groups of angry 13 year olds. shameful.

This is so very, very true.

well about Eighteen months ago myself and 5 others "Invented" (I use that word Loosely) invasion, we initially did it as a way of giving the people who whined every day asking for War just what they asked for. they immeadiatly started crying about being given just what they wanted. lol.
Since then there has been quite a few folks who picked up our mantle and started invading, unfortunantly they didnt have near the morals or integrity we had (we did have out low points, but we did good as well).
I still think that what a lot of folks whine about now is not Invaders per se, but Griefers, those who go in with the intent to cause annoyance, and trouble, for example, my old group we attacked certain types, and that was it, usually those we saw as uppity, we also had political targets, the new invaders they dont care, they dont want to learn how to do it right, cause they dont care if they get banned they will go back to cheating on Diablo or one of those other silly First Person games.

During my time as an invader I was the one who made a bunch of our flags, well after I gave it up and settled, I figured why not market that skill, I have some knowledge of the Invasion related sense, I plan to pass it on one day, I hope who ever the mole cricket is who recieves it uses it for Good.