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Hi i created a sort of second UN its a region called Free Natioins National Support which is smaller more active and leans toward right wing groups UN mebers will be banned so will gays 8)

I've never come across a completely homosexual-populated nation. I wouldn't mind coming across one, being that I've never met one (a gay nation, I mean)... unless by "gay" you meant happy, "and happy means gay" (SP moment), in which case I've never come across a depressed-populated nation either.

You know I'm joking here, right?

By perchance, I am interested as to why you are against the UN. Since this is off-topic, you are free to respond to me via telegram (TG). You do that by clicking on my name at the left, then clicking "View Suna Kaya" on the left when that window opens, and scroll down until you reach "Want to wire a telegram to Suna Kaya?" Place your message in the text box below it and press "Send!" when you're done.

I'm giving you directions because you're a relatively new nations, not because I don't think you can find a way to TG me.

The reason why ihate the UN is tide in with my despise of gays casue they passed this lawGay Rights

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
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Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Kundu

Description: WHEREAS it has been clearly witnessed there is an outspoken minority who wish to oppress gays. We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations.

Hey Nama (His Leader's name) i'm might be new but iv'e played before so i know how to work the politcal scene in here and it involves a great deal of courage to go up agenist the UN sure they are all polite when they trash you but i didn't make the Free Nations National Support but i was in on makeing it i was to scared to make it the people who make do all the work i didn't want that. :( and by the way he ment that gay leaders should back off and leave

Hi Nama (Screen Name)
You know im in i came up with the idea but i have something to say their are only 5 mebers so anyone willing to get into a small active group who is not in un, should probaly check it out one of us is here almost 12 hours a day.

ahh luccai you do know you reapted your self right. :oops:
anyway i'm the first invited meber of the group i was invited before luccai had to remake her account. i'm probably the least anti gays, but i can't stand the UN, i mean come on the inter national red cross is a group that helps everyone right? WRONG. see what i mean it is a self centerd group with a large amount of left wing full on butthead(s).

Sorry, but someone going up against the UN is not described as "courageous." I believe the words you are looking for is "an idiot." Now I won't bash you on your anti-gay philosophy, though I disagree with you completely, I'm sure you have your reasons (or at least I am until I see that you're just jumping on the conservative bandwagon), but I am very interested in how the Red Cross is a bad organization. Did they incite some genocide I didn't hear about, or are you jst mad because they actually help people instead of lining their pockets in gold?

Cyber, Cyber we know what were doing we don't line are pockets with gold it would for starts be a wast and the red cross doesn't duh but ive looked at the UNs people and im looking at coumnist nations left and right im looking at compulsive buying governments not a exactly good looking place is it its so obivous that a baby could see it im the most exterme meber so the others might think its an exagtation
and by the way what i do with my trash is my bissnuss wether its recycleable, aside not every one agrees with you, the red cross is UN only fawks gets weird interptaions of it any how.. 8)

Cyber what would have happend if america had listend to people like you
i meanat least call us crazy rebbles.
anyhow i leave for the day i get back from work and i find that Crono (Fawks) is makein him self look like a fool, Luccai makes her self looks like a prate, only Mainster manges to hold a good control. Nama saying what were you thinking crono
by the way their will always be people in the game like us if only we knew who they were.

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WN

-Compleatly- OOC:

*snickerfit* first off: WN you rock so much *grin* I was just about to post about the lack of grammer and spelling...

Seond: I'm kinda assuming all these nations in this thread with like 3 posts or less are all the same person with multiple accounts just being an idiot. You can tell by the way they all type... same bad spelling, and typos on all of them *eye rolls*

Seriously... anti-gay UN? Are you like 12? *eye rolls* Go grow up a little. sure the UN is a pain in the ass... but geeze people. Like your gonna have a bigger and better UN *sighs* go ahead and try, but its just a dumb idea in general. your a newbie. No one follows newbies unless their insane or other newbs.

yes yes... part of this rant is brought to you by the fact that I'm a bi-sexual, and any kind of gay-bashing that happens around me I get highly offended by. its one of the -only- things I'm offened by. Grow up.... seriously.

/rant

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You must be kidding me?
Why dont you just start up the nazi regime while your at it?
You could make your little break away group hating everyone who isn't blonde haired and blue eyed. Wouldn't that be fun?

Qoute: *snickerfit* first off: WN you rock so much *grin* I was just about to post about the lack of grammer and spelling...

Seond: I'm kinda assuming all these nations in this thread with like 3 posts or less are all the same person with multiple accounts just being an idiot. You can tell by the way they all type... same bad spelling, and typos on all of them *eye rolls*

Seriously... anti-gay UN? Are you like 12? *eye rolls* Go grow up a little. sure the UN is a pain in the ass... but geeze people. Like your gonna have a bigger and better UN *sighs* go ahead and try, but its just a dumb idea in general. your a newbie. No one follows newbies unless their insane or other newbs.
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i will start at the start and go down
all you were going to do was commit about grammer and then you relize its is completely against your sexuality, and you call us newbs ga man you had to acutally read it twice didn't you.
Anti-gay UN group well yeah is it that hard to belive that 5 people dislike you of course it isn't. i would also like to point out that me, nama, luccai all went to the same high school, and all got c's in english beacasue we thought we were spelling things right and we weren't. we never said it would be bigger infact im content with it being small just better.

Quote: You must be kidding me?
Why dont you just start up the nazi regime while your at it?
You could make your little break away group hating everyone who isn't blonde haired and blue eyed. Wouldn't that be fun?
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for starters i don't give a damn what happens to the UN or its member nations, Nama does but i don't.
i hate the nazi as much asanyone i hate them enough to whacht the dullest local channle for the knowledge that hitler was probaly Gay :twisted:
and no it would not be fun it would be stuipd even if we were evil (which were not) we wouldn't do that we are all have (nama , luccai, and me that is i don't know how crono looks) brown hair.

Meber attack!!!! No!!! The leader of the mebers had this to say:

"put dwon ur wepenz an surenda 2 us or we r gona nook ur ass"

The Royal guard was dispatched immediately, accompanied by a translator.

Interesting to see how you'll prevent homosexual members from joining. It's not like they have the word [GAY] at the end of their username or anything.

Interesting to see how you'll prevent homosexual members from joining. It's not like they have the word [GAY] at the end of their username or anything.

*keeps a wary eye out for the next UN Resolution requiring all nations to ensure that all homosexual citizens have the word "Gay" tattooed on their foreheads for ease of identification by redneck, homophobic scum*

:lol:

WN

simple we insult gays until they leave. (we don't need to figure out they might be gay they will leave after we insult them).

a tip for the young reading this extremely bizzare and nonsensical thread: Don't take rhetorical advice from someone who can't spell it :idea:

i have been inform this comment is false and have removed its content.

Damn cyber i thought i warned you you thick headed ****rd :evil: :evil:
so buzz off already.

Says the little boy with 4 posts and no IQ score.

Actually, you've never warned of such. And I will inform you that I am not a bastard, my dad is in the next room, thank you. You, I'm not so sure about, though. Perhaps we have some psychological problems here that need to be resolved? I'd also like to point out that the possibility that Hitler was gay does not in any sense make him evil. The fact that he killed over 6 million Jews and 6 million gypsys, homosexuals, communists, and people he just plain didn't like makes him evil.

Another thing – don't say you're not evil if you cant go more than two posts without using the ' :evil: ' emote. It just defies logic.

And I'd just like to congratulate you on actually spelling 'member' right your first time so far. Good job! You get a sticker!

Qoute: *snickerfit* first off: WN you rock so much *grin* I was just about to post about the lack of grammer and spelling...

Seond: I'm kinda assuming all these nations in this thread with like 3 posts or less are all the same person with multiple accounts just being an idiot. You can tell by the way they all type... same bad spelling, and typos on all of them *eye rolls*

Seriously... anti-gay UN? Are you like 12? *eye rolls* Go grow up a little. sure the UN is a pain in the ass... but geeze people. Like your gonna have a bigger and better UN *sighs* go ahead and try, but its just a dumb idea in general. your a newbie. No one follows newbies unless their insane or other newbs.
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i will start at the start and go down
all you were going to do was commit about grammer and then you relize its is completely against your sexuality, and you call us newbs ga man you had to acutally read it twice didn't you.
Anti-gay UN group well yeah is it that hard to belive that 5 people dislike you of course it isn't. i would also like to point out that me, nama, luccai all went to the same high school, and all got c's in english beacasue we thought we were spelling things right and we weren't. we never said it would be bigger infact im content with it being small just better.

Quote: You must be kidding me?
Why dont you just start up the nazi regime while your at it?
You could make your little break away group hating everyone who isn't blonde haired and blue eyed. Wouldn't that be fun?
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for starters i don't give a damn what happens to the UN or its member nations, Nama does but i don't.
i hate the nazi as much asanyone i hate them enough to whacht the dullest local channle for the knowledge that hitler was probaly Gay :twisted:
and no it would not be fun it would be stuipd even if we were evil (which were not) we wouldn't do that we are all have (nama , luccai, and me that is i don't know how crono looks) brown hair.

I forgot to comment on this. Silly me, there's so much comedic gold waiting to be dug up here.

all you were going to do was commit about grammer and then you relize its is completely against your sexuality

You have made Mistake #1: Assuming someone's gay when they've provided no evidence to back up such a conclusion.

and you call us newbs ga man you had to acutally read it twice didn't you.

Well, you are newbs. You've got only a fw posts and were made less than a month ago. But Eris left out the fact you are also n00bs. You have also bypassed the fact that Eris is a girl (*gasp*), which further supports the conclusion you are, in fact, a newb.

In addition, it's good to read things more than once. Of course, with your horrible organization and spelling (and everything else), it would take more than one reading to find allllll the stupid little mistakes.

Anti-gay UN group well yeah is it that hard to belive that 5 people dislike you of course it isn't.

I'm pretty sure Eris knew you weren't going to like her after she posted that. It's logic. Idiots hate anybody who doesn't agree with them, no matter what, and they instantly assume everyone else is a narssicisitc asshole. Like them. Funny.

would also like to point out that me, nama, luccai all went to the same high school, and all got c's in english

Well well, why am I not suprised. This is especially funny, because you shouldn't need to blame your high school years for not being teaching you to spell a word like 'because.' Go back to third grade, eh?

i hate the nazi as much asanyone

There has been more than one Nazi, last I checked.

and no it would not be fun it would be stuipd even if we were evil

Seemed like it was fun for the Nazis. They went on for 8 years! I have to admit, it would be stupid, considering it would be really funny to see five people attempt to restart the Nazi regime. Although in the end, I'm pretty damn sure that Scotland2 was being sarcastic. Duh. Haven't you learned anything in life?

The FAQ wrote:
Also prohibited is the practice of "griefing." Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people. If you do this, the game moderators may take action against you.

I'm afraid to note that Shunk's plan of "insult gays until they leave" is not only immature, it is prohibited by NationStates because it is called griefing

Cyber read Eris's post i quoted you get she said she was bi-sexual.
Second the primary aim of the insults is to get gays to leave, Sauna Kaya.
Third how the heck was i supposed to know about Eris's gender.
yes we can't spell becasue of high school actually i always sucked at english.
Fourth of course he used angry he thought he also told you not to post again cyber.
Fifth i will inform shunk he did not warn you he had tryed to post three times so he must have forgotten he did not post the last time that he will most likly apolgize for that.

I have taken a minute off work to apolgize and would like to say im taking out that comment.

ahh luccai you do know you reapted your self right. :oops:
anyway i'm the first invited meber of the group i was invited before luccai had to remake her account. i'm probably the least anti gays, but i can't stand the UN, i mean come on the inter national red cross is a group that helps everyone right? WRONG. see what i mean it is a self centerd group with a large amount of left wing full on butthead(s).
when he said the group is full of left wing buttheads he ment the UN

Cyber read Eris's post i quoted you get she said she was bi-sexual.

Funny, you left it out of your quote. Mayhaps to bait the numerous people flaming you? Your thinking is still faulty, in that you believe she only realized you were insulting homosexuals half way through her post.

(note: sorry Eris, I actually didn't catch that last part. :oops: )

Second the primary aim of the insults is to get gays to leave, Sauna Kaya.

*sigh* You moron, that is griefing, which is against the rules, which you must follow.

Third how the heck was i supposed to know about Eris's gender.

You aren't, because you're a newb. Not stop whining about how you aren't.

yes we can't spell becasue of high school actually i always sucked at english.

The very structure of this idea is horribly flawed. If you were always, meaning in your entire existiance, bad at English, then how is it high school's fault?

Fourth of course he used angry he thought he also told you not to post again cyber.

He used 'angry?' Is that a Pokemon or something? (Angry, go! *rawr rawr rawr*) :lol: By 'he,' I assume you mean Shunk, who has no control over when, what, and how I say what I want. Welcome to America, where we have a little handy document called the Constitution, which has the Bill of Rights attached to it. Our very, very first right is the freedom of speech. Therefore I use my rights to say you're all idiots, and there's nothing you can do about it. Hey Shunk, look, I'm posting right now! La la la la, post post post post...

Fifth i will inform shunk he did not warn you he had tryed to post three times so he must have forgotten he did not post the last time that he will most likly apolgize for that.

Well, you did one thing right.

Cyber i will now say you were greifing sucker you mocked me about Me saying I'll greif, and then you greif me mahmahmah. Idoit.
and guess what you can't do anything about this freakin post otherwise ill tell the moderators you greif.
by the way he was the only one who alwaysed suck at englished.
this was ment as a reply to cyber saying i couldn't do anything about it and saying post, post, post so it gets me ticked the moderations i made fixed grammer cyber so you couldn't complain about it.

i ment this. :evil: its either evil or realy hacked.

this is not realy a commit on this thing but cyber i belive you men,t You aren't, because you're a newb. Now stop whining about how you aren't.
this is what you ment right you grammer was incorrect if that was what you ment you said not instead of now

and yes i know about the bill of rights. which also grants rights to carry arms but demcrats are trying to undermine it, so i care i realy do.

another thing i whachted that show with vapmire and we know why he's evil man you'd figure we were a bunch of 6 years olds if we didn't know.
the show where it said hitler was probaly gay.

i did not mean the whole topic cyber i ment the title alone suggest's it man at least for god's sake admit that, and so did the first post and fourth.
By the way cyber we are now making a joint effort to stop your comments by cuting off you insult amounts :D

we bring a futher issue to the table, cyber you belive that we have freedom of speech, which we do. but i have a futher comment about this topic if you do we do meaning we can greif under the bill of rights. so you argument is as disjointed as possible it contridicts its self and falls under the catogory of why did we make all these posts on it in the first place.
oh yeah becasue we wanted to look better by haveing more post instead of just more two, which will in the future be helpful.
by the way mayhaps is not a word.

Cyber i will now say you were greifing sucker you mocked me about Me saying I'll greif, and then you greif me mahmahmah. Idoit.
and guess what you can't do anything about this freakin post otherwise ill tell the moderators you greif.
by the way he was the only one who alwaysed suck at englished.
this was ment as a reply to cyber saying i couldn't do anything about it and saying post, post, post so it gets me ticked the moderations i made fixed grammer cyber so you couldn't complain about it.

No, I'm not griefing, I pointing out how amazingly WRONG you are. Go find out what the meaning of a word is before you flame someone over it. And learn how to spell it, too. And it's idiot, and that other word you're looking for is grief. I'd really like to see you do something about my valid points against you, considering you'd get yourself deleted first for all the ignorant remarks you've made. Look, I'm doing 'something' about your post! Ahhhhh! The Mods will actually look at my posts first to see if I am griefing, they won't just delete me right away without just cause. Hey, I'm just pointing out to you that you can't control others, so I'd cut it out before you get deleted, or in the real world, the snot beat out of you.

this is not realy a commit on this thing but cyber i belive you men,t You aren't, because you're a newb. Now stop whining about how you aren't.
this is what you ment right you grammer was incorrect if that was what you ment you said not instead of now

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and yes i know about the bill of rights. which also grants rights to carry arms but demcrats are trying to undermine it, so i care i realy do.

And...this has what to do with an anti-gay alliance?

i did not mean the whole topic cyber i ment the title alone suggest's it man at least for god's sake admit that, and so did the first post and fourth.
By the way cyber we are now making a joint effort to stop your comments by cuting off you insult amounts

I have not fucking idea whatsoever what the first part of your topic is supposed to mean. TAKE IT SLOWLY! You don't need to try to type at fifty trillion WPM.

And if you're trying to cut off how many points against you I make, you're doing the exact opposite. You're giving me tons of fodder here. :D

we bring a futher issue to the table, cyber you belive that we have freedom of speech, which we do. but i have a futher comment about this topic if you do we do meaning we can greif under the bill of rights. so you argument is as disjointed as possible it contridicts its self and falls under the catogory of why did we make all these posts on it in the first place.
oh yeah becasuwe wanted to look better by haveing more post instead of just more two, which will in the future be helpful. by the way mahaps isnt a word.

Another thing I love about the Constitution is the guarantee it makes that all will be given the right to the 'pursuit of happiness.' If your griefing detracts from other's pursuits of happiness, it is unconstitutional, and you cannot do that. Your argument is the one that is disjointed. And mayhaps is a word, thank you very much, it is just archaic in it's use, so you probably won't find it in many dictionaries.

Look, guys, I've proven extensively so many things to the contrary of what you say, there's really no way you're going to win. Just give up already. :roll:

Cyberutopia wrote:

Look, guys, I've proven extensively so many things to the contrary of what you say, there's really no way you're going to win. Just give up already.

In real, heated debates, if one side demands that its opposition "give up", that demanding side has basically run out of steam and wants the discussion over. Cyber, you may indeed be proven wrong and not realize it because you assume superiority in debating. You never learn anyhing if you always claim you're right and bluntly denounce any opposition. Other people hold their beliefs because they believe they are right, and *gasp* they may think you're wrong. Other people will continue to believe what they want, regardless if you think you've proven them wrong. Some issues are just so complex that neither extreme side is truly "right" in every situation of that issue.

In my book, truth is subjective. If you think oranges are purple, by all means, continue to believe so. I won't tell you otherwise unless you begin to question whether or not oranges are really purple. Feel free to have your own opinions. I may disagree with you, but it doesn't mean you're wrong in my eyes. It only means you see things differently, which is totally acceptable.

for starts cyber i am not going to give up and there are things i care about other than gays man realy i care about my rights to bear arms, and the meaning of mariage.
I care about alot of things i care about my own right to purse happieness so they can't get it in my zone becasue a gay in my zone would ruin my pursuit of happieness and freedom of press gives me the right to say whatever i want. so i give futher evidence that you say give up and i say once again No! you think the gays have the rights to go in my zone well they don't becasue i will view it as itenviley offensive. i will yeild however to two adults doing whatever they want in their own homes but i do not welcome it as marriage and refuse for the sake of the bible and god to ever belive it. and guess what if they can come in my zone then you can't post here so you're whole argument is screwd anyhow.

futher i will list many of things i care about: Child Labor laws, Rights of blacks, womans right to vote, freedom of speech, freedom of press, the right to remain queit, me to having the right to vote and to not to, i care about are soldiers which are in iraq, and my right to debate and protest any and everything including the UN, the president, the sentors, john carry. and anyone i feel the need to. 8)

Cyberutopia wrote:

Look, guys, I've proven extensively so many things to the contrary of what you say, there's really no way you're going to win. Just give up already.

In real, heated debates, if one side demands that its opposition "give up", that demanding side has basically run out of steam and wants the discussion over. Cyber, you may indeed be proven wrong and not realize it because you assume superiority in debating. You never learn anyhing if you always claim you're right and bluntly denounce any opposition. Other people hold their beliefs because they believe they are right, and *gasp* they may think you're wrong. Other people will continue to believe what they want, regardless if you think you've proven them wrong. Some issues are just so complex that neither extreme side is truly "right" in every situation of that issue.

In my book, truth is subjective. If you think oranges are purple, by all means, continue to believe so. I won't tell you otherwise unless you begin to question whether or not oranges are really purple. Feel free to have your own opinions. I may disagree with you, but it doesn't mean you're wrong in my eyes. It only means you see things differently, which is totally acceptable.

Ok, this is a fair point, I do want this discussion over because I am sick of how this conversation has gone from a discussion over why it is wrong to deny homosexuals a place in a region, and how ridiculous the idea is, along with the stupidity of declaring an anti-UN, to an idiotic insult-fest. I don't believe I've 'bluntly' denounced the opposition to my beliefs, I've taken their comments apart phrase by phrase and provided counterexamples to each. I understand these people I'm opposed to think they are right and I am wrong, and I think I am right, and they are wrong. Conflict is inevitable.

And honestly, if you woke up one day and everything had changed, but you knew it was wrong, you wouldn't accept other people's reasons, would you? If you knew you were right and everyone else was wrong, you really wouldn't say 'oh, ok, if you say so.' You would be out to prove you were right because you knew you were right. It's human nature.

Finally, please, please don't be so condescending and morally righteous towards my argument, it's rather annoying.

there are things i care about other than gays man realy i care about my rights to bear arms, and the meaning of mariage.

I'm sure you do care about other things, but this really doesn't concern those things, and I've never said you didn't have other concerns.

I care about alot of things i care about my own right to purse happieness so they can't get it in my zone becasue a gay in my zone would ruin my pursuit of happieness and freedom of press gives me the right to say whatever i want.

This is true, but you still can't declare that a place has to be 'gay-free.' If a homosexual person really wants to be nice to you, and show you that all homosexuals aren't Satan, you're ruining their chances of bring a revelation to you, and your own chances to see that just because someone is gay they aren't going to rip out your heart and feast on your blood. And in the end, that's just...utterly mean.

you think the gays have the rights to go in my zone well they don't becasue i will view it as private propety.

Yes, I think the gays have the rights to go into your region, and they do, because it's not your 'private property.' Max Barry owns the bandwidth, it's not yours ultimately, and he gets to say what is done with it.

i will yeild however to two adults doing whatever they want in their own homes but i do not welcome it as marrage and refuse for the sake of the bible and god to ever belive it.

Unfortunately for you, there have been gays that have gotten married, and it is widely recognized so. There are so many things I could say about you decrying it in the name of the Bible and God and how you really can't disgrace it even more, thanks to all the things Christians have done to screw over the world, but I'm not going to bring this argument into religion.

and guess what if they can come in my zone then you can't post here so you're whole argument is screwd anyhow.

No, my argument is not screwed, as seen by the fact I am still here and posting against your ideals, and I probably could post in here if gays were allowed in your region, unless that occurance would erect an impenetrable magical field around the thread, which I'm pretty sure isn't going to happen.

my respones is you just did butthead.
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i will yeild however to two adults doing whatever they want in their own homes but i do not welcome it as marrage and refuse for the sake of the bible and god to ever belive it.


Unfortunately for you, there have been gays that have gotten married, and it is widely recognized so. There are so many things I could say about you decrying it in the name of the Bible and God and how you really can't disgrace it even more, thanks to all the things Christians have done to screw over the world, but I'm not going to bring this argument into religion.
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No it is freakin not, norway and masschuts don't cont as widely reconigzed.
and god would so send you to hell for saying what you just said you evil bastard you ***ker i will get you for insulting my religon that was so very offnsive, i so wish i knew where you lived so i could make you feel like every day was your last unfountaly i don't (so sad though), I FUTHER WHISH that you recognize whats it done for this world this country and me, my freinds. and for the love of god i hope some one converts you i really do i do that way you'll see what you just did was to me worse than anything you could have said and you are a freakin jurk you are truly never ever gonna care about what i say but since you just insulted my religon i will take you down i will win this debate if i have to die to do it. you brought in my religon im gonna take you'r reputation down i'm gonna make you regert you ever said that. and god has left you and me to make are own desicons and i would love to know what christain have done wrong in the last hundred years as a group as in the whole group against a large group other than denouncing their religon hum? where's your fodder now bastard. the cursads are long done and over they were in the 15th centruy so perpare to lose this debate CYBER Perpare to be taken down.

Be Warned.

Chirstains hear me we have been insulted we must either ruin the insulters reputation or convert him. come this is not a request for you to join my group this is me saying whe have a mega jerk most likly to have insulted or done the oppsit every thing that we stand for we are here and we mus MUST take him down this time i request that you just take him out of the running against us. did anyone whos not a chirstain know that the reason why the colonys some of them anyway were founded so that we whould be able to pratice christianty in are own ways. thats why the bill of rights existes thats why we have always been so anti kill the people who don't follow are religon i would also love to point that this man just talked about all chirstainty did against people i would love to point out every one of the other major religons screwd way worse than we have. the muslims are more like three religons than one with diffrent opoins they kill each other Budists have been real helpful not theyv'e killed thousands in the last hundred and hitler was an atheist so we look pretty i will futher bring forthe that in the old testiment god said that being gay was not to be tolerated in his lands or by his people , so jews should come help me here too. anyhow i did not disgrace my religon by the statement above i followed it. i have not murder any one i have not envyed anything i wanted stuff like the stuff other people had, i have lied alot but hey that is one thats hard to avoid, i have respected my parent, i have not had sex with anyone sense i'm not married, i am perpared to say i will die for my religon and anyone who feels the need to insult me beacuse i followed my religon has insulted my religon i will now list great leaders of america who were christains.
George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Every one of the founding fathers, George W. Bush all thou i am about to be attacked for saying he is one of the great leaders of america, and Susan B. Anthany.
i am ready for anything from now on CYBER BE PERPARED TO BE TAKEN DOWN FROM THAT SIDE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. And at this rate we are speeding towards the days of lot. the apoclypse, the end of the world so be perpared to know i have more passion then i would have had in

Ok, ok, if it hurts you that much, I will withdraw that remark. I'm sorry to make you feel so enraged.

Shunk noted:
freedom of press gives me the right to say whatever i want

No, freedom of the press does not give you the right to say whatever you want. Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want either. If somebody yells holds up a lighter in a movie theater and screams, "Fire!", he or she will be arrested for starting a riot.

I don't mean to insult you here Shunk, but please, for the love of God, spell words correctly! It is very difficult for me to read what you post because it is mostly composed of misspelled words.

Cyberutopia, all I'm asking is for people to not be so self-righteous in thinking that their beliefs are universally right and everybody must share those beliefs or face some sort of barrage of hate speech. This isn't you-specific: this goes out to everybody.

Also, I'm terribly confused about your example. Could you state a specific way in which "everything" has changed? No, I do not accept beliefs strongly contradictory to mine, but people who hold those beliefs are totally entitled to do so. On all topics I think I'm right, but I never "know" I'm right because truth is objective.

How have I been condescending and morally righteous towards your argument?

Suna freedom of press is more relivant to this disscuscion then freedom of speech becasue we aren't talking are we thesse are like letters in which i can state anything becasue only certain will read it anyhow its still allowed but yes that guy would get arrested, but you must rember that this not being real time is much less likly to casue a riot and as we are to disjointed to do anything illegal i am pretty much alowed to say what i want as long as none of the mods or anyone above the user leval in max berrys scale tells me otherwise. or its protected by copy right like i can't post harry potter book 1 here.

Shunk, "press", as defined by our dear friend Merriam Webster, is the following:
the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : JOURNALISM b : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting

Unless you run your own newschannel, newspaper, or online newspaper, your right to say whatever you want is not protected by freedom of the press. Freedom of speech applies to written, oral, and typed literature; books, speeches, and notes all apply under freedom of speech. In many cases, the freedoms of speech and press overlap. Here, they do not.

Unfortunately for you, the freedom of speech is not absolute. There is a crime in the United States called libel, which is defined as "a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression". Slander is also a crime, and it is basically the spoken form of libel. Libel and slander are crimes; that means you can be fined for saying something very incorrect about someone else in a public setting that causes other people to have a very negative view about the insulted person. Slander and libel do not mean that you can't speak negatively about anybody; they are specifically defined by Supreme Court cases.

Shunk, "press", as defined by our dear friend Merriam Webster, is the following:
the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : JOURNALISM b : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting

Unless you run your own newschannel, newspaper, or online newspaper, your right to say whatever you want is not protected by freedom of the press. Freedom of speech applies to written, oral, and typed literature; books, speeches, and notes all apply under freedom of speech. In many cases, the freedoms of speech and press overlap. Here, they do not.

Unfortunately for you, the freedom of speech is not absolute. There is a crime in the United States called libel, which is defined as "a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression". Slander is also a crime, and it is basically the spoken form of libel. Libel and slander are crimes; that means you can be fined for saying something very incorrect about someone else in a public setting that causes other people to have a very negative view about the insulted person. Slander and libel do not mean that you can't speak negatively about anybody; they are specifically defined by Supreme Court cases.
Oh people Look it's defintion is very losse but they can't make rude and public remarkabout someone who is not in public eye unless it is fully true. for anyone (such as cyber) who didn't know what he just said, plus you are fully wrong about libel becasue Greoge W. Bush is unfaveroably unjustly conveyed, and no one in the press is arrested so you are wrong and i am right i suggest that you reashearch the poltical scene before defineing something about instults and slander becasue it is most often avioded by everyone i was listening to a rebuplician radio show in which the talk show host got a call from a random democrat and he insulted my entire freakin praty right there so you can't get fined unless someone files a law suit i am so very safe.

Interesting to see how you'll prevent homosexual members from joining. It's not like they have the word [GAY] at the end of their username or anything.


Stimmt mann.

It is so disheartening to see this abuse of homosexuals! they are human beings as well, and many better than 'straight' people. Why would you direct so much hate at people you know nothing about? It is obvious that you know nothing since you are bigots and bashing them. open your eyes, new age Nazis!

It is so disheartening to see this abuse of homosexuals! they are human beings as well, and many better than 'straight' people. Why would you direct so much hate at people you know nothing about? It is obvious that you know nothing since you are bigots and bashing them. open your eyes, new age Nazis!

God man we are so not new age nazis, anti-gays have existed for like 5 thousand years at least most likely more, and god damn why the hell should i frakin care that thy may (note the may) Be beter than striaghts and guess what you are a fool to say i don't know gays and i know tons the one who is most sicking is 5 and he wants to go to the bathroom with you at the same time In The Same stall plus it's sick and gross. and i whould love to point out they also be worse and when did you get into this decosin when cyber stoped posting. plus you're argument is so totally screwd and wrong i know stuff otherwise i wouldn't still be standing in this debate, the fact you even had to post is profe so iv'e decide, i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexual plus i need not open my eyes (alothough i have) to tell that being gay is sick and wrong. any decent christain will voage with me the muslims to and jews thats like what half the world, since they all have the same old testimant.
plus you are a newb don't get on the posts for a while whacht the other people debate.

First, Shunk, do not gripe at somebody for being new to NS when you yourself have been a nation for only a month. Everybody is entitled to speak here, including new people. Everybody was a newb at one time, so don't think you are better than someone who just found out about this game.

Please stop with the run-on sentences! It is difficult enough to read your misspelled responses, and the run-ons don't help my comprehension of what you write here. May I suggest MS Word... and a period/decimal mark in your responses once in a while. I know this is not relevant to the topic, but it is very difficult to understand you when you make sentences like:
for anyone (such as cyber) who didn't know what he just said, plus you are fully wrong about libel becasue Greoge W. Bush is unfaveroably unjustly conveyed, and no one in the press is arrested so you are wrong and i am right i suggest that you reashearch the poltical scene before defineing something about instults and slander becasue it is most often avioded by everyone i was listening to a rebuplician radio show in which the talk show host got a call from a random democrat and he insulted my entire freakin praty right there so you can't get fined unless someone files a law suit i am so very safe.
That was one of your sentences, by the way.

The Webster's definition is very loose (not "losse"), but I already posted that the definitions of slander and libel "are specifically defined by Supreme Court cases".

No, Shunk, you can make rude and public remarks about someone who is not in the public eye, even if it is not true. If it is proven that the rude statements were false, that the publicist did not prevent the publicity of the statements, and the statements did indeed hurt the person's public image, the statements are indeed proven libelous in a court of law. Despite that these requirements seem fairly easy to prove, libel is rarely proven in court. Because of this, tabloids get away with their scandalous claims.

It is your opinion that George W. Bush (not "Greoge W. Bush") is unjustly conveyed. If you don't like the way the "liberal media" paint a picture of Bush, watch Fox News... that will sate your what I assume to be conservative news appetite. If George Bush looked like an idiot after falling off his bike, by all means can people say he looked like an idiot after falling off his bike.

I'm sorry that a caller on a "rebuplician" radio show insulted your "freakin praty". That caller does have the right to speak, and if you don't like what he or she was saying, you had the right to listen to something else. If you don't like something, don't listen to it. However, it may be a good idea to listen to it in order to reinforce or reconsider your beliefs/ideas/opinions. Critical thinking makes for a better citizen and voter, you know.

It is so disheartening to see this abuse of homosexuals! they are human beings as well, and many better than 'straight' people. Why would you direct so much hate at people you know nothing about? It is obvious that you know nothing since you are bigots and bashing them. open your eyes, new age Nazis!

God man we are so not new age nazis, anti-gays have existed for like 5 thousand years at least most likely more, and god damn why the hell should i frakin care that thy may (note the may) Be beter than striaghts and guess what you are a fool to say i don't know gays and i know tons the one who is most sicking is 5 and he wants to go to the bathroom with you at the same time In The Same stall plus it's sick and gross. and i whould love to point out they also be worse and when did you get into this decosin when cyber stoped posting. plus you're argument is so totally screwd and wrong i know stuff otherwise i wouldn't still be standing in this debate, the fact you even had to post is profe so iv'e decide, i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexual plus i need not open my eyes (alothough i have) to tell that being gay is sick and wrong. any decent christain will voage with me the muslims to and jews thats like what half the world, since they all have the same old testimant.
plus you are a newb don't get on the posts for a while whacht the other people debate.

Seems like Shunk thinks Frei Anarchie and I are one in the same. This is not correct. Go ahead and ask the Mods to do an IP check, we are not typing from the same computer. It is merely coincidence that he came into the thread after I did, probably because he noticed there was little resistiance against you in this pointless thread after I took a short leave because I was absolutely fuming at you, and decided to hop in.

Suna Kaya, I think I've been more than a little judgemental towards you, I'm sorry for snapping at you after you found a valid flaw in my argument, I was just extremely angry at Shunk for the shockingly ignorant posts he'd made like the one above.

And just for your information Shunk, the Jews and Christians have the same Old Testament, but you clearly know nothing about Muslims. Islam has the Qur'an (sometimes spelled Koran) which they follow, and many other minor texts. All three religions were founded by Abraham (known to Muslims as Ibrahim, I believe), but only Christianity really restricts homosexuality. It is accepted in Islam, and Jews are tolerant of the practice. So you're wrong, sorry. And those three religions make up about 90% (probably more) of the world's population, with Christians being I think somewhere around 50% of the world's population. I hope that cleared some things up for you.

Oh, and call someone bisexual again if they haven't said they are, and I'll have you banned so fast you'll wake up next Tuesday. I really should do so right now, but you're rather fun to toy with.

It's alright, Cyber. We're in the same boat (against Shunk's random, misinformed rantings as well as his/her obsession with typos)! Besides, Cyber, it's okay to have several nations as long as no more than one is a UN member (I've asked the mods).

It is so disheartening to see this abuse of homosexuals! they are human beings as well, and many better than 'straight' people. Why would you direct so much hate at people you know nothing about? It is obvious that you know nothing since you are bigots and bashing them. open your eyes, new age Nazis!

God man we are so not new age nazis, anti-gays have existed for like 5 thousand years at least most likely more, and god damn why the hell should i frakin care that thy may (note the may) Be beter than striaghts and guess what you are a fool to say i don't know gays and i know tons the one who is most sicking is 5 and he wants to go to the bathroom with you at the same time In The Same stall plus it's sick and gross. and i whould love to point out they also be worse and when did you get into this decosin when cyber stoped posting. plus you're argument is so totally screwd and wrong i know stuff otherwise i wouldn't still be standing in this debate, the fact you even had to post is profe so iv'e decide, i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexual plus i need not open my eyes (alothough i have) to tell that being gay is sick and wrong. any decent christain will voage with me the muslims to and jews thats like what half the world, since they all have the same old testimant.
plus you are a newb don't get on the posts for a while whacht the other people debate.

Seems like Shunk thinks Frei Anarchie and I are one in the same. This is not correct. Go ahead and ask the Mods to do an IP check, we are not typing from the same computer. It is merely coincidence that he came into the thread after I did, probably because he noticed there was little resistiance against you in this pointless thread after I took a short leave because I was absolutely fuming at you, and decided to hop in.

Suna Kaya, I think I've been more than a little judgemental towards you, I'm sorry for snapping at you after you found a valid flaw in my argument, I was just extremely angry at Shunk for the shockingly ignorant posts he'd made like the one above.

And just for your information Shunk, the Jews and Christians have the same Old Testament, but you clearly know nothing about Muslims. Islam has the Qur'an (sometimes spelled Koran) which they follow, and many other minor texts. All three religions were founded by Abraham (known to Muslims as Ibrahim, I believe), but only Christianity really restricts homosexuality. It is accepted in Islam, and Jews are tolerant of the practice. So you're wrong, sorry. And those three religions make up about 90% (probably more) of the world's population, with Christians being I think somewhere around 50% of the world's population. I hope that cleared some things up for you.

Oh, and call someone bisexual again if they haven't said they are, and I'll have you banned so fast you'll wake up next Tuesday. I really should do so right now, but you're rather fun to toy with.
Ah so wrong i did not call frei bi sexual i merely stated my opoin that he was probally one so that was a stuipd thing to say from you, the old testament has the ten commandments right Wrong it has the three page long list of commandments in which i am quoting dyrectliy here "no man shalll have union with another man and no woman shall have union with another woman." ha so even if jews tolerate it they know their verses and those three pages are the most important so i am not oblivous i know what i am talking about unlike you who treated the Document by which this country that we live in was founded on and the declaration of indepdence as the same document. the Document by which this country that we live in was founded on doe's not grant the right to pursuit of happieness. i aplogize for the miss spells my computer keeps saying it don't know a subsitute word, i try to get it to work. and by the way read what i say throughly and you'll be a little bit more tactful this is in response to the fact that you said i called frei bi-sexual i merely voiced my opinion on the matter jerk.

It is so disheartening to see this abuse of homosexuals! they are human beings as well, and many better than 'straight' people. Why would you direct so much hate at people you know nothing about? It is obvious that you know nothing since you are bigots and bashing them. open your eyes, new age Nazis!

God man we are so not new age nazis, anti-gays have existed for like 5 thousand years at least most likely more, and god damn why the hell should i frakin care that thy may (note the may) Be beter than striaghts and guess what you are a fool to say i don't know gays and i know tons the one who is most sicking is 5 and he wants to go to the bathroom with you at the same time In The Same stall plus it's sick and gross. and i whould love to point out they also be worse and when did you get into this decosin when cyber stoped posting. plus you're argument is so totally screwd and wrong i know stuff otherwise i wouldn't still be standing in this debate, the fact you even had to post is profe so iv'e decide, i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexual plus i need not open my eyes (alothough i have) to tell that being gay is sick and wrong. any decent christain will voage with me the muslims to and jews thats like what half the world, since they all have the same old testimant.
plus you are a newb don't get on the posts for a while whacht the other people debate.

Seems like Shunk thinks Frei Anarchie and I are one in the same. This is not correct. Go ahead and ask the Mods to do an IP check, we are not typing from the same computer. It is merely coincidence that he came into the thread after I did, probably because he noticed there was little resistiance against you in this pointless thread after I took a short leave because I was absolutely fuming at you, and decided to hop in.

Suna Kaya, I think I've been more than a little judgemental towards you, I'm sorry for snapping at you after you found a valid flaw in my argument, I was just extremely angry at Shunk for the shockingly ignorant posts he'd made like the one above.

And just for your information Shunk, the Jews and Christians have the same Old Testament, but you clearly know nothing about Muslims. Islam has the Qur'an (sometimes spelled Koran) which they follow, and many other minor texts. All three religions were founded by Abraham (known to Muslims as Ibrahim, I believe), but only Christianity really restricts homosexuality. It is accepted in Islam, and Jews are tolerant of the practice. So you're wrong, sorry. And those three religions make up about 90% (probably more) of the world's population, with Christians being I think somewhere around 50% of the world's population. I hope that cleared some things up for you.

Oh, and call someone bisexual again if they haven't said they are, and I'll have you banned so fast you'll wake up next Tuesday. I really should do so right now, but you're rather fun to toy with.

You really must learn to read more carefully, especially so with your own posts.

Ah so wrong i did not call frei bi sexual

Yes you did, right here:

i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexual

Bang. Right there. How can you deny that? You're worse than the government!

the old testament has the ten commandments right Wrong

Well, I never even went into the Commandments, but yes, you're right there, and you don't need to tell me, I've studied several religions, the three monotheistic ones among them.

i am quoting dyrectliy here "no man shalll have union with another man and no woman shall have union with another woman." ha so even if jews tolerate it they know their verses and those three pages are the most important

Sadly, as you seem to have yet to realize, no one plays by the book in the real world. Not every Christian and Jew follow the Commandments down to the letter, and I frankly mildly pity those that do. Not every religious person is a Christian Fundamentalist like you are, but you apparently have yet to see that. I hope you do at some point in your life.

so i am not oblivous

Yes, yes you are. From what I've seen from your posts, you've proven yourself oblivious to how the judicial system functions, and the contents of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.

i know what i am talking about unlike you who treated the Document by which this country that we live in was founded on and the declaration of indepdence as the same document.

At least I remembered that is was called the Constitution, not the "Document." While I might have used the wrong wording, the Constitution still includes these words:

...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves...

Among these blessings, as was specified in the Declaration of Independence, was the pursuit of happiness.

the Document by which this country that we live in was founded on doe's not grant the right to pursuit of happieness.

Actually, the document this country was founded on was, in fact, the Declaration of Independence, which does in fact guarantee the pursuit of happiness.

i aplogize for the miss spells my computer keeps saying it don't know a subsitute word, i try to get it to work.

That's because you're misspelling the words so wrong the computer doesn't have any idea what you're trying to say.

and by the way read what i say throughly and you'll be a little bit more tactful

I'd like to think I've been as tactful as I can manage when dealing with people like you, and I read your response very thoroughly, three times, in fact..

this is in response to the fact that you said i called frei bi-sexual i merely voiced my opinion on the matter jerk.

By voicing your opinion that Frei was bisexual, you were calling him bisexual. Stop trying to go back on what you said, alright? You can't say "I think this, but that's not really what I think." That's what you're doing.

It is so disheartening to see this abuse of homosexuals! they are human beings as well, and many better than 'straight' people. Why would you direct so much hate at people you know nothing about? It is obvious that you know nothing since you are bigots and bashing them. open your eyes, new age Nazis!

God man we are so not new age nazis, anti-gays have existed for like 5 thousand years at least most likely more, and god damn why the hell should i frakin care that thy may (note the may) Be beter than striaghts and guess what you are a fool to say i don't know gays and i know tons the one who is most sicking is 5 and he wants to go to the bathroom with you at the same time In The Same stall plus it's sick and gross. and i whould love to point out they also be worse and when did you get into this decosin when cyber stoped posting. plus you're argument is so totally screwd and wrong i know stuff otherwise i wouldn't still be standing in this debate, the fact you even had to post is profe so iv'e decide, i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexual plus i need not open my eyes (alothough i have) to tell that being gay is sick and wrong. any decent christain will voage with me the muslims to and jews thats like what half the world, since they all have the same old testimant.
plus you are a newb don't get on the posts for a while whacht the other people debate.

Seems like Shunk thinks Frei Anarchie and I are one in the same. This is not correct. Go ahead and ask the Mods to do an IP check, we are not typing from the same computer. It is merely coincidence that he came into the thread after I did, probably because he noticed there was little resistiance against you in this pointless thread after I took a short leave because I was absolutely fuming at you, and decided to hop in.

Suna Kaya, I think I've been more than a little judgemental towards you, I'm sorry for snapping at you after you found a valid flaw in my argument, I was just extremely angry at Shunk for the shockingly ignorant posts he'd made like the one above.

And just for your information Shunk, the Jews and Christians have the same Old Testament, but you clearly know nothing about Muslims. Islam has the Qur'an (sometimes spelled Koran) which they follow, and many other minor texts. All three religions were founded by Abraham (known to Muslims as Ibrahim, I believe), but only Christianity really restricts homosexuality. It is accepted in Islam, and Jews are tolerant of the practice. So you're wrong, sorry. And those three religions make up about 90% (probably more) of the world's population, with Christians being I think somewhere around 50% of the world's population. I hope that cleared some things up for you.

Oh, and call someone bisexual again if they haven't said they are, and I'll have you banned so fast you'll wake up next Tuesday. I really should do so right now, but you're rather fun to toy with.

You really must learn to read more carefully, especially so with your own posts.

Ah so wrong i did not call frei bi sexual

Yes you did, right here:

i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexua

Bang. Right there. How can you deny that? You're worse than the government!

the old testament has the ten commandments right Wrong

Well, I never even went into the Commandments, but yes, you're right there, and you don't need to tell me, I've studied several religions, the three monotheistic ones among them.

i am quoting dyrectliy here "no man shalll have union with another man and no woman shall have union with another woman." ha so even if jews tolerate it they know their verses and those three pages are the most important

Sadly, as you seem to have yet to realize, no one plays by the book in the real world. Not every Christian and Jew follow the Commandments down to the letter, and I frankly mildly pity those that do. Not every religious person is a Christian Fundamentalist like you are, but you apparently have yet to see that. I hope you do at some point in your life.

so i am not oblivous

Yes, yes you are. From what I've seen from your posts, you've proven yourself oblivious to how the judicial system functions, and the contents of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.

i know what i am talking about unlike you who treated the Document by which this country that we live in was founded on and the declaration of indepdence as the same document.

At least I remembered that is was called the Constitution, not the "Document." While I might have used the wrong wording, the Constitution still includes these words:

...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves...

Among these blessings, as was specified in the Declaration of Independence, was the pursuit of happiness.

the Document by which this country that we live in was founded on doe's not grant the right to pursuit of happieness.

Actually, the document this country was founded on was, in fact, the Declaration of Independence, which does in fact guarantee the pursuit of happiness.

i aplogize for the miss spells my computer keeps saying it don't know a subsitute word, i try to get it to work.

That's because you're misspelling the words so wrong the computer doesn't have any idea what you're trying to say.

and by the way read what i say throughly and you'll be a little bit more tactful

I'd like to think I've been as tactful as I can manage when dealing with people like you, and I read your response very thoroughly, three times, in fact..

this is in response to the fact that you said i called frei bi-sexual i merely voiced my opinion on the matter jerk.

By voicing your opinion that Frei was bisexual, you were calling him bisexual. Stop trying to go back on what you said, alright? You can't say "I think this, but that's not really what I think." That's what you're doing.
so young so very nieve, did you know that there was a government for america before the Constitution was voted in ever been told about the
articals of confedration, bam the decalration of independence the document on which that was founded on, bet you haven't by the way if pursuit of happieness was granteed i would be able to hack your comp which i can't so i would also like to comment on this i would also like to point out that you are most likly bi-sexua

Bang. Right there. How can you deny that? You're worse than the government!

ah and so obivous look at what i just quoted incase you miss it i will again point it out
i would also like to point out that you are most likely bi-sexual see the most likely part yah ok from now on pay look at what you say i said from now on since i haven't made any modifcations to it.

and you are infact a fool it says
"we hold these truths to be self evdint that every human being is born with the right to, Life, Liberty, And The Pursuit of happieness. note born and life and liberty which we do not hold are own becasue
A. life death pentlaty exists right, B. We do have restricons on liberty, and since no one on freakin earth has complete and totall right of pursuit of happieness. which you you're self have been basing you're entire argument on so i would like to say could you plz start reading what i say llitrally. its geting making you look like you think probally are and are is the same thing which it is not.

man this desicon is getting more and more into whether or not we quoted stuff right or falsely implide something so i am going back to the begining and making a vote thing so i will be able to tell how this argument whould actually effect polls if it would actually to be voted on.

man this desicon is getting more and more into whether or not we quoted stuff right or falsely implide something so i am going back to the begining and making a vote thing so i will be able to tell how this argument whould actually effect polls if it would actually to be voted on.

You're right, and I'm getting sick of pointing your bullsh-t out to you and having you totally ignore it, thinking what you say actually means something else entirely.

I'm settling this the old fashioned way: it's time for a n00b smackdown. You will soon receive a pretty little letter from the Republic informing you that you are now at a state of war with Cyberutopia. Have a nice day. :)

I would suggest you look here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3214849#3214849) if you wish to offer any meager resistance to our armies.

whoa... Shunk's been deated. I think he has at least one puppet he can use (Starfond, I think), so be aware.

Yeah, he's sure going to accomplish a lot against me!

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Really, his entire alliance has fallen apart, I don't think he's going to be doing much for a while.