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Yeah yeah, you guys are probably getting tired of these announcement threads addressed to invaders =p

However, unlike the invasion rules debate, this is something that I rather highly suspect will go over well with... well, everybody.

We've kept it under wraps, but [violet] just finished up the code, and we need some invaders to help us test it.

Who: All you folks who enjoy the 'invading' aspect of Nationstates play.

What: A new form of region catering specifically to invasion play. Spamming the region's civil HQ is allowed, spamming the region's happenings is allowed (so long as a region not involved doesn't get spammed in the process!), and the delegate can punt as many folks as they want. The catch? Bans autoexpire twice a day.

Where: Warzone Sandbox
Warzone Airspace
Warzone Europe
Warzone Asia
Warzone Australia
Warzone Africa

When: The region is open for business, folks! Anytime now!

Why: Because it doesn't seem we'll be settling the new ruleset any time soon, and we think this will be a more attractive option to non-rulebreaking invaders. We think it'll be really appealing because invaders can deploy some of the dirtier tactics (spamming the regional board/happenings) that the normal rules don't allow.

NOTE: ONLY the regions "Warzone Sandbox" and "Warzone Airspace" are set up like this. There is a special notice on the region's page that declares it's a "Warzone" region. Regions without this notice are subject to the normal invasion rules!

If the Warzone works out well enough, we'll add more "Warzone" regions as the need calls for, with more suitable names than "Sandbox" :wink:

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Thanks Rep, that place is neat.

We've added Warzone Airspace to help keep folks trying to spam Sandbox from spamming non Warzone regions. Now all you have to do to spam the warzone(s) is to move between them multiple times!

*updates the first post of the thread with the expansion to the Warzone beta*

NOTE: Whoever's using dinky little puppet nations to found regions like "Warzone America", please be aware that such regions may very well be ursurped by the mods for use as actual warzones!

Regions that do NOT have the Warzone warning are NOT actual warzones, and regular invasion rules apply!

Hmm if they are making them and designating them as warzones, then I recommend taking them, temporaritly freezing them until you see fit to open them, and make them full Warzones.

serves them right.

also is is possible to submit a reigon you own to become a warzone?
I have a couple that I would possibly like to donate.

for such situations maby put unclickable founder thing saying Region ofiginally founded by (nation name)

and locking the original founder out of regional controls

Perhaps it would also be a good idea to add a page: "War zone regions - list" on NS.net.

Anyways: the warzones are really nice!

Funny, I'd had a similar idea earlier. I was considering creating regions with names like "Grand Columbia", "La Plata" "French West Africa" and "Anglo-Egyptian Sudan" and ask you guys to remove foundership and declare normal invasion rules non-applicable. In the end I decided that even if you guys agreed, nobody would use them. Especially, when so many of the real regions are so much more lucrative.

The setup is very cool though, what with the extra line, and longest serving delegate feature.

I wonder what the regional controlamagummies look like. . .
*checks* :twisted:

May I create dinky little puppet regions deliberately for you guys to upsurp?

I'd love to see warzones for smaller areas. I won't say here, but I'll TM you with some names that I was thinking. For that matter, it'd be cool to see some completely random names. I love making up names.

Heh, so far the player response in the forums has been positive. The Warzone beta won't likely expand much further for the time being (At most, we'll set Gothic's "Warzone America" region up as a warzone), since we've been taking note of opinions and suggestions and are waiting for Max to tell us if it's actually feasible to do or not. (I rather like the idea of the delegacy updating twice a day, or at a different time than the rest of the game, but I'm not programmer- I've got no clue how difficult it may be to implement.)

Hopefully the competition for the record in the zones will help lure some invaders away from regular player regions.

Well, it's going great, but don't add any new Warzones, or too few people will enter ;)

Well, it's going great, but don't add any new Warzones, or too few people will enter ;)


Yeah but Defenders control them and they were supposed to be invaders play pens and they turned into trophies for defenders.

Well, it's going great, but don't add any new Warzones, or too few people will enter ;)


Yeah but Defenders control them and they were supposed to be invaders play pens and they turned into trophies for defenders.

Hmm...well, that could make things interesting, of course I don't know how the ratio of defenders to invaders stacks up-although from what I've seen so far, the defenders have a definite numerical superiority. Also, it depends on which group is more mobile.

Serengarve is not currently affiliated with any of the major invader or defender alliances.

Yeah but i don't think they will bother.

Does no one else get the irony of the fact that all these muppet invaders have now got six regions to take and play about with without rules....and yet they've only actually managed to take one, with all the others in the hands of defender delegates. I like that.

I like that.
I don't.

The purpose of defenders is to keep invaders out of regions where the natives are uninterested in getting involved in regions, or remove them from power when they've taken power there. Until they take power they bemoan the invaders as bullies and tyrants.

Yet the defenders usually win, as often as not simply because of their sheer strength in numbers. Here, where they can't remain banned, unless you have a very wiley and ruthless invader, the defenders are virtually guarenteed to win by brute force if they get involved.

And if the invaders find that the defenders do keep bringing brute force to bear, the ones who found this too good to be true will find that it is too good to be true, and go back to invading normal regions, despite the risks. And if the defenders intend this, to make sure that they aren't out of a job, then they aren;t really doing their job.

Obviously defenders get as much fun from the game as invaders, for all foo their indignation, or they;d leave the warzones alone. Yet, is it really sport when you are virtually guarenteed to win, simply by sheer virtue of numbers? Why not cut your numbers down, to about equal an average sized invader force, so that any victories you can claim to hae won on about equal ground?

Granted, the forces involved seem to be primarily the GLA, as well as a few other similar groups, who I wouldn't call defenders so much as oppurtunists who wish to stick their names in as many factbooks as possible.

Yet it seems rather hypocritical for defenders and "defenders" to bring their full weight to bear on the invaders in the warzone after complaining about bullying and tyranny in normal regions.

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

The purpose of defenders is to keep invaders out of regions where the natives are uninterested in getting involved in regions, or remove them from power when they've taken power there. Until they take power they bemoan the invaders as bullies and tyrants.


If the natives of the region aren't actually active in their region, why should they care who's in charge of it? I could understand if a small region that had no founder with a UN delegate which was rather active in promoting issues and such was taken over, but suppose that same region has no UN delegate either, and is just sitting there? Granted, it's not an attractive takeover target that way either, but if it does get taken over, who cares?

If the natives of the region aren't actually active in their region, why should they care who's in charge of it? I could understand if a small region that had no founder with a UN delegate which was rather active in promoting issues and such was taken over, but suppose that same region has no UN delegate either, and is just sitting there? Granted, it's not an attractive takeover target that way either, but if it does get taken over, who cares?
In most cases they don't some defenders leave it alone in that case, but ist seesm like most defender groups believe it their Max-given duty to "liberate" every region that's been invaded, and some go so far as every region with a delegate that they dislike.

Although the two counterinvasions and one defense operation that I've been in outnumber the invasions, and I have a large number of defender friends, I still know that defenders don't walk on air, and that many "defending" outfits are invaders by any other name.

To be honest, the only pure defending outfit that I'm aware of are the Belgians, but I don't keep close tabs on invasions these days, so a lot of what I hear comes form the invader or defender.

I love how the Defender group occupying the warzone is jsut as tyranical as the invaders are accused of being.

but hey let them have their fun,

I love how the Defender group occupying the warzone is jsut as tyranical as the invaders are accused of being.

but hey let them have their fun,


They are having fun in the Invader World for awhile. Maybe some will have some much fun the will quit their defender group and join Invaders. :twisted:

I love how the Defender group occupying the warzone is jsut as tyranical as the invaders are accused of being.

but hey let them have their fun,


They are having fun in the Invader World for awhile. Maybe some will have some much fun the will quit their defender group and join Invaders. :twisted:

I don't see that happening, as Qaaolchoura said:

Although the two counterinvasions and one defense operation that I've been in outnumber the invasions, and I have a large number of defender friends, I still know that defenders don't walk on air, and that many "defending" outfits are invaders by any other name.

I mean, why bother becoming a straight-up invader, when you can be an invader, and still get the good press that comes with being a defender?

Most Defenders like Equilism are actually invaders.

Most Defenders like Equilism are actually invaders.

Why do you think that? Because Equilism forces managed to take over and retain Delegacy in Warzone Airspace? It's not our fault that invaders can't do it, besides this doesn't say anything about us, this is merely a training and fun mission nothing more. There are no natives, thus no harm is done. Anyhow real defense missions have priority (as you have might noticed this morning). So please refrain from poisoning our name with untrue facts.

Most Defenders like Equilism are actually invaders.

Well my dear, you are misinformed.
You are just not Kinky enough.

Have a nice day. (waves with slappy hand)

O.

I love how the Defender group occupying the warzone is jsut as tyranical as the invaders are accused of being.

but hey let them have their fun,


They are having fun in the Invader World for awhile. Maybe some will have some much fun the will quit their defender group and join Invaders. :twisted:

I don't see that happening, as Qaaolchoura said:

Although the two counterinvasions and one defense operation that I've been in outnumber the invasions, and I have a large number of defender friends, I still know that defenders don't walk on air, and that many "defending" outfits are invaders by any other name.

I mean, why bother becoming a straight-up invader, when you can be an invader, and still get the good press that comes with being a defender?



But defenders cannot watch or defend every region open to invading


I have a list of 200 regions and that not even half of them...So good luck defending them all

I mean, why bother becoming a straight-up invader, when you can be an invader, and still get the good press that comes with being a defender?



But defenders cannot watch or defend every region open to invading


I have a list of 200 regions and that not even half of them...So good luck defending them all

Even so, it would be easier for the defenders to watch all of them...then again, they could never know which region was being targeted. All right, time to end this before I start blinding people with obviousness.

I think we have too many Warzones. How can we keep track of them?

Most Defenders like Equilism are actually invaders.

Why do you think that? Because Equilism forces managed to take over and retain Delegacy in Warzone Airspace? It's not our fault that invaders can't do it, besides this doesn't say anything about us, this is merely a training and fun mission nothing more. There are no natives, thus no harm is done. Anyhow real defense missions have priority (as you have might noticed this morning). So please refrain from poisoning our name with untrue facts.

But the region is for invaders, so if you "invade" it, then in my eyes that makes you an invader.

But the region is for invaders, so if you "invade" it, then in my eyes that makes you an invader.

That's no valid argument, goodbye, you are the weakest link.

That's no valid argument, goodbye, you are the weakest link.
This somehow seems to me to be the internet equilvilant of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "Sorry, I can't hear you." I do have an overactive imagination, but that's just how it appears to me.

But the region is for invaders, so if you "invade" it, then in my eyes that makes you an invader.

That's no valid argument, goodbye, you are the weakest link.

Why isn't it valid then?

i am bloodthirsty. how do i get into a war or invade sumone :?:

You can either head over to NationStates or International Incidents and roleplay a war, or join the UN and attempt to take over UN delegacies in regions.

But the region is for invaders, so if you "invade" it, then in my eyes that makes you an invader.

That's no valid argument, goodbye, you are the weakest link.

Why isn't it valid then?Its like saying that if I'm in an Oxford University students only area, I MUST be an Oxford Student (whereas of course I could just be breaking the rules)

Something's going wrong with warzones - largely people seem disinterested in them.

I've been delegate of Warzone Africa for well over a week, and there has been no attempt by any of nationstates' billions of players to unseat me.

I'd actually quite like people to make the effort and actually invade: seizing power is really just a matter of getting a few UN countries in shortly before the update!

Ah well, I can't complain. At least I get to kick people out without fear of redress. Just wish it Warzone Africa, rather than Region-Permanantly-Occupied-By-Hab-Nab-Africa

But the region is for invaders, so if you "invade" it, then in my eyes that makes you an invader.

That's no valid argument, goodbye, you are the weakest link.

Why isn't it valid then?Its like saying that if I'm in an Oxford University students only area, I MUST be an Oxford Student (whereas of course I could just be breaking the rules)

Well to be in the Oxford Students Only Area Legally, then you must be a student.

Anyway the Equilism? Have lost Airspace and i don't know who control the Sandbox.

Something's going wrong with warzones - largely people seem disinterested in them.

I've been delegate of Warzone Africa for well over a week, and there has been no attempt by any of nationstates' billions of players to unseat me.

I'd actually quite like people to make the effort and actually invade: seizing power is really just a matter of getting a few UN countries in shortly before the update!

Ah well, I can't complain. At least I get to kick people out without fear of redress. Just wish it Warzone Africa, rather than Region-Permanantly-Occupied-By-Hab-Nab-Africa


The Warzone regions are more or less pointless, what's the point of taking them over? Invaders gain nothing and it's just a waste of time, if you make them deletable like other regions you might get some players, but otherwise they are usless let the defenders have them, it's not like any invaders are going to attack them...

What on earth do you mean, "invaders gain nothing."

What do you gain in a normal invasion!? Its impossible to hold onto a delegacy because you have to let the natives back in, and their founder inevitably expels you anyway! And you can't even put up a password without having to give it the natives.

And even if you follow every single rule, you'll STILL be accussed of griefing and have your country deleted.

In the Warzones you have to mobilise support to hold onto power - and there's no omnipotent founder to undermine your invasion. To be honest, its about the only place where invasions actually make sense.

What on earth do you mean, "invaders gain nothing."

What do you gain in a normal invasion!? Its impossible to hold onto a delegacy because you have to let the natives back in, and their founder inevitably expels you anyway! And you can't even put up a password without having to give it the natives.

And even if you follow every single rule, you'll STILL be accussed of griefing and have your country deleted.

In the Warzones you have to mobilise support to hold onto power - and there's no omnipotent founder to undermine your invasion. To be honest, its about the only place where invasions actually make sense.

Not every nation has a founder, though.

In an ideal world none of them would

Its infuriating that invasions are so restricted - the only regions without founders are those that are too old to have a founder or those where the founder was deleted

What on earth do you mean, "invaders gain nothing."

What do you gain in a normal invasion!? Its impossible to hold onto a delegacy because you have to let the natives back in, and their founder inevitably expels you anyway! And you can't even put up a password without having to give it the natives.

And even if you follow every single rule, you'll STILL be accussed of griefing and have your country deleted.

In the Warzones you have to mobilise support to hold onto power - and there's no omnipotent founder to undermine your invasion. To be honest, its about the only place where invasions actually make sense.


If you play by the rules it is perfectly legal.

Don't like the rules?

Post your thoughts here

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138361

There's no point posting, Matthius

I mean, much as I hate the current rules, I like the game, and so I'm subject to the rules.

Besides which, I've seen the new draft rules - it's terrible.

I advocate the abolition of password protection and regional founders. Essentially all regions to be warzones except pre-designated "safe" regions.

There's no point posting, Matthius

I mean, much as I hate the current rules, I like the game, and so I'm subject to the rules.

Besides which, I've seen the new draft rules - it's terrible.

I advocate the abolition of password protection and regional founders. Essentially all regions to be warzones except pre-designated "safe" regions.

The draft rules are better though.

But i wouldn't break them or you'll get deleted.

What on earth do you mean, "invaders gain nothing."

What do you gain in a normal invasion!? Its impossible to hold onto a delegacy because you have to let the natives back in, and their founder inevitably expels you anyway! And you can't even put up a password without having to give it the natives.

And even if you follow every single rule, you'll STILL be accussed of griefing and have your country deleted.

In the Warzones you have to mobilise support to hold onto power - and there's no omnipotent founder to undermine your invasion. To be honest, its about the only place where invasions actually make sense.


Tell me this, what's the point of taking over a warzone region? What do you get out of it? Nothing, is there for the taking, which make it worthless, think about that for a second...

What on earth do you mean, "invaders gain nothing."

What do you gain in a normal invasion!? Its impossible to hold onto a delegacy because you have to let the natives back in, and their founder inevitably expels you anyway! And you can't even put up a password without having to give it the natives.

And even if you follow every single rule, you'll STILL be accussed of griefing and have your country deleted.

In the Warzones you have to mobilise support to hold onto power - and there's no omnipotent founder to undermine your invasion. To be honest, its about the only place where invasions actually make sense.


Tell me this, what's the point of taking over a warzone region? What do you get out of it? Nothing, is there for the taking, which make it worthless, think about that for a second...

It's fun, quite simple and the sense of power and it's just a bit of fun, which is how NationStates is to a lot of people. :wink:

how do you invade other people :cry:

how do you invade other people :cry:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109397

cool new feture to game

cool new feture to game


....that has kind of gone stale.


Full of legal but annoying spam.

I was in there for a few days and it stopped you talking because it deleted past messages, so you didn't know what the other person's reply was.

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Whoah, that was...... Strange........ :confused: :confused: :confused:

maybe you could like...change the warzones so people in these regions can actually, attack each other? you know, not kill a state off(like anybodys managed that in the last coupla thousand years... but you know, make it so we can invade each other and loot and stuff. :mp5: :sniper: :D of course, this is only a suggestion which can wait, this is cool too, though i aint doing this not for a while no sir!

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