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Why is it whenever you try and recruit regions for your own region that people get so touchy about it, as if it's an illegal part of the game?

I've found that while recruiting for my new region, people have flamed me, questioned my integrity and character, and fought back with childish remarks to the extent of: "OMG, you shouldn't do that! It's not fair."

It's part of the game.

Any thoughts?

It's interesting you should have that question, because I've had a similar one. I had been under the impression that posting recruiting messages in the pacifics and RR is ok (but even there the shorter and sweeter, the better), but that posting recruiting messages in any other region is a no-no.

I thought I had seen mod rulings along these lines somewhere in the forums. However, when I was trying to find a link to a mod ruling on this for a friend (who was basically posting regional recruitment messages on dozens of player-created regional HQ's, and I was trying to find backup to influence him to quit it), I couldn't find one.

As for regional recruitment telegrams, I pretty much ignore them across the board, but as long as I don't get more than one for any particular region, I consider them harmless.

As for regional recruitment telegrams, I pretty much ignore them across the board, but as long as I don't get more than one for any particular region, I consider them harmless.

This is what I've been doing, because it's much safer, but now I'm being attacked by it. I just find it funny that people are so touchy. If your region is secure, there's no need to attack a recruiter, because nobody will leave. That's how I see it.

Heh, I'm kind of in the middle on this, because I detest having the pacifics filled up with regional spam, and sometimes I even post messages like you're describing in reaction to the spam. However, I send out recruitment telegrams for more than one region, and get flamed in return - not too pleasant, there's even been a few I've reported to the mods.

I think recruiting is annoying but it's pretty immature and uncalled for to respond so harshly to recruiters.

I find it highly annoying when people come in and spam the RMB with the attitude that it's obviously a crap place and you should jump at the chance to go somewhere else - hey buddy, maybe I like it here - maybe I created 'here'. The more obnoxious the poster, the nastier the TG they're likely to get back.

What I've done in the past is targeted individual nations if I think they'd like to join one of my regions (most of which have some main idea or theme about them). This tends to mean I don't recruit a lot, but then I'm not that stressed about having highly-populated regions. If I were to recruit seriously for whatever reason I'd go for the feeder regions or RR.

SC

Yeah, that is a very good base rule. Stick to telegramming nations in the pacifics and the rr, TH. Of course, I can attest to the fact that you will still get some kind of flames in return :p

I'm not saying you do this, but what bores me are all the threads, messages on regional boards and TMs that say

COME TO MY REIGON!!!!!!

No reason, nothing original about why you might want to move there. If you do check it out, half the time there's one small UN nation and 2 obvious puppets.

I think what people are reacting to, is the implied insult. What people like that are actually saying is: I want to be powerful and have lots of people under my control as regional founder ... but I haven't put any time or effort or creativity into this, checked the spelling, or even thought it through. And no, I haven't noticed I'm posting this in a thriving region with active members and its own boards, or that I've just TM'd you without registering that you're the UN delegate of one of NS's most respected regions (and I'm not talking about me here!).

If you're asking someone to do you a favour, you should at least do them the courtesy of noticing them as a person, no?


White Lotus Eaters
UN Delegate, Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=urbanites) Region

I mean, I think my recruitment message is targeted to the right nations, and it gives a clear cut reason why one should come to my nation. It's not just "come to my region now," y'know? That's tacky.

So what is the official stance on recruitment in the Pacifics and RR? Any Moderators gonna field this question?

So what is the official stance on recruitment in the Pacifics and RR? Any Moderators gonna field this question?

I'm not a mod, but most of us know the rules, as long as its not spamming the regional boards, you can post recruitment messages.

Well as EP dude I say this, We provide a recruitment topic in the offsite forums, and I discourage posting ads in the regional Message doohicky because Prior to recruitment, you could see residents talking and curring up and whatnot on the Pacifics regional boards, now, No one talks there, except to say Hi, or folks who hit the top ten for the day saying Woot Im in the top ten.

if someone wants to come to your region they will find it, if not, leave them alone,
Personally I would like to see ads banned when we get to the Jolt server, perhaps a thing like the Forum hot threads for regional ads, linked to a forum just for ads and regional Hawking.

I and many others find them terribly annoying,
Kinda like the folks who telegram me asking for support for their UN proposals, they should know by my profile in the Delegate DB I dont respond well to threats, coercion, or Telegram requests to vote for your UN stuff.

I mean, I think my recruitment message is targeted to the right nations, and it gives a clear cut reason why one should come to my nation. It's not just "come to my region now," y'know? That's tacky.


My advice and i have recruited for two regions, one i built myself and i got it up to 60 nations the other i increased by 40, get a recruiting telegram and telegram nations who apply or our admitted to the U.N. Make it a decent, long telegram and people get impressed 8) .

I pretty much ignore reqruitment TMs accross the board. However, there have been one or two I've sent puppets to. A few notes for would be reqruiters:

Most established players live in regions they don't want to move from. Picking people to recruit from the forums is not the best idea you can have (or recruiting outside of the Gameplay forum, for that matter).
The delegate and founder are not likely to respond favorably to your telegram. Don't bother TMing them with it. Especially in regions above a few players.
For that matter, most delegates (or at least me in particular, possibly because I live in an 'A' region) get enough UN Proposal TMs as it is. And many don't like those. Adding to the load on our inboxes with a regional recruitment TM we obviously won't like doesn't help much.
Use some common sense - I had a region of 3 puppets (and it was fairly obvious) in which all 3 got the same TM from a recruiter.
Personalized TMs - more likely to get a positive response (although little adons like "nice flag/name" don't usually draw my attention much, which leads to the next suggestion...)
Be creative - The regional recruitment TM I moved a puppet to was for a very interesting region with some nice, unique ideas. Things like offsite forums, themed regions, and the like are good starts.
Be polite - It seems obvious, but some aren't.

On that note, let me take this time to announce that I delete almost all TMs sent to Naleth on site .. mainly because they are almost all UN Proposal spam, though.

I pretty much ignore reqruitment TMs accross the board. However, there have been one or two I've sent puppets to. A few notes for would be reqruiters:

Most established players live in regions they don't want to move from. Picking people to recruit from the forums is not the best idea you can have (or recruiting outside of the Gameplay forum, for that matter).
The delegate and founder are not likely to respond favorably to your telegram. Don't bother TMing them with it. Especially in regions above a few players.
For that matter, most delegates (or at least me in particular, possibly because I live in an 'A' region) get enough UN Proposal TMs as it is. And many don't like those. Adding to the load on our inboxes with a regional recruitment TM we obviously won't like doesn't help much.
Use some common sense - I had a region of 3 puppets (and it was fairly obvious) in which all 3 got the same TM from a recruiter.
Personalized TMs - more likely to get a positive response (although little adons like "nice flag/name" don't usually draw my attention much, which leads to the next suggestion...)
Be creative - The regional recruitment TM I moved a puppet to was for a very interesting region with some nice, unique ideas. Things like offsite forums, themed regions, and the like are good starts.
Be polite - It seems obvious, but some aren't.

On that note, let me take this time to announce that I delete almost all TMs sent to Naleth on site .. mainly because they are almost all UN Proposal spam, though.


The more un personalized they are the more annoyed i am, look at the start of a recruiting telegram an obvious puppet received

Congratulations on your application/admittiance into the UN and or existance in Nation States.


This is sooo vague but the rest of it isn't bad, but don't ask older nations, they rarely want to move. But i once asked a 2 bill nation who came 6th in the world for something and he accepted so they are lucky breaks. 8)

Um, it's illegal to post recruitment messages on player-created regions, and Lazarus.

Whenever someone posts recruitment messages in Europe I grab a mod to delete it...

Um, it's illegal to post recruitment messages on player-created regions, and Lazarus.

Whenever someone posts recruitment messages in Europe I grab a mod to delete it...

As well you should!

I'm declaring war on recruiters who spam the Pacific. Not the ones who come in daily and write a succinct ad, but the ones who feel it is necessary to write a long ad that just eats up the Civil Hq, and then they feel compelled to come back a few hours later to do it again. I like what Emperor Matthuis gave as advice earlier on this topic and I would hope more recruiters learn from this astute player.

One more thing about length:

Overly long messages (like on UN Proposal TM I just deleted) are a bother for the average player to read, while overly short messages (like the other UN Proposal TM I just deleted) show a lack of commitment.

If you recruiters would liken yourself to telemarketers you would understand how other regions feel about you -- intrusive and unwanted. Some of the regions have warnings in their world factbook entries that they do not want recruiters but the recruiters post nevertheless. If you build a good region, other will come to you without you having to ask. If you have to beg for member nations, that should tell you something about your region.

I read the Region HQ's. Most of the ones in regions that are recruiting are a crashing bore. If you want nations to immigrate you need to give them a reason to move.

What a great thread. :)

Since I seem to be having trouble posting coherently late at night, I'll have to wait until the morning to reply.

If you recruiters would liken yourself to telemarketers you would understand how other regions feel about you -- intrusive and unwanted. Some of the regions have warnings in their world factbook entries that they do not want recruiters but the recruiters post nevertheless. If you build a good region, other will come to you without you having to ask. If you have to beg for member nations, that should tell you something about your region.

It's not begging, it's seeking membership for a region with nations you think would mutually benefit from joing your region.

Not all recruiters are like telemarketers.

If you recruiters would liken yourself to telemarketers you would understand how other regions feel about you -- intrusive and unwanted. Some of the regions have warnings in their world factbook entries that they do not want recruiters but the recruiters post nevertheless. If you build a good region, other will come to you without you having to ask. If you have to beg for member nations, that should tell you something about your region.

It's not begging, it's seeking membership for a region with nations you think would mutually benefit from joing your region.

Not all recruiters are like telemarketers.

No, but a lot of them who do their work in the Pacific are just like them.

No, but a lot of them who do their work in the Pacific are just like them.




No they just try and spread the word about their region, at least when i have posted (Only thrice) it has been to get the word out that my region is on the map, like when i was trying to get people to know that the EoP was back.