NationStates Jolt Archive

My nation James T Kirk's national animal is the RED SHIRT. Trekkies will get it. I will have open hunting season on them soon.

LOL, good one, I hated how they made the redshirts command and therefore no longer cannon fodder.

LOL, good one, I hated how they made the redshirts command and therefore no longer cannon fodder.

They never did do away with 'Ensign Expendable' though :wink:
"Say Ensign, you go investigate that dark cave, we'll wait out here"

That's quite funny.

And true, to beyond belief. Also, I have to agree. The gold command was better, in my opinion.

But after figuring out they couldn't kill Uhura and Scotty, the Star Trek producers realized that, in order to hide their screw up, they had to suddenly make the red shirt command so that they wouldn't have to kill two of their biggest charactors.

Think about. All the gold shirt wearers in the original series suddenly retired, and the red shirt ones were now part of the group that lives, not dies.

They did kill Scotty in an episode, but he was brought back to life.

Your kidding! How did I miss that? What episode?

Hehe, pretty funny. It seems like Starfleet had a endless supply of Red Shirts, those seem like the only crew members that get killed.

But after figuring out they couldn't kill Uhura and Scotty, the Star Trek producers realized that, in order to hide their screw up, they had to suddenly make the red shirt command so that they wouldn't have to kill two of their biggest charactors.

Think about. All the gold shirt wearers in the original series suddenly retired, and the red shirt ones were now part of the group that lives, not dies.

I'm not clear on what you're talking about, here. Please elaborate.

Your kidding! How did I miss that? What episode?

I believe that he refers to an episode of Star Trek: TNG.

Captain Scott was on a ship, the USS Jenolen, headed for a retirement colony, when the Jenolen detected a gravitational anolamy and went to investigate. It discovered a gigantic, hollow sphere, artificial, and as wide across as the diameter of Earth's orbit (and that's big, folks, about 16 light-minutes across). Is was called a "Dyson Sphere" in that episode (though I think the term was being abused as it might not correspond with what real-life physicist Freeman Dyson had in mind).

The Jenolen crashed on the surface of the sphere, and only two people survived: Scotty, and another person named Franklin (I think). Scotty knew that life support wouldn't last long enough to wait for rescue, so he pulled some kind of trick with the transporter buffer and put it into some kind of repeating cycle. He and Franklin went into the transporter and went into some kind of transporter stasis.

Since the Jenolen hadn't sent a signal to Starfleet Command, nobody knew where to find them.

When the USS Enterprise discovered the Dyson sphere and the Jenolen 75 years later, they discovered that the transporter system was still running. Scotty was recovered, but Franklin's pattern had degraded very severely over the years (meaning he was killed).

I assume that this is the episode being referred to, but if I'm wrong, then please correct me. I'm recalling this from memory.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

...

This was originally a discussion about national animals. However, if the topic drifts too much, I'll move this over to "General".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

But after figuring out they couldn't kill Uhura and Scotty, the Star Trek producers realized that, in order to hide their screw up, they had to suddenly make the red shirt command so that they wouldn't have to kill two of their biggest charactors.

Think about. All the gold shirt wearers in the original series suddenly retired, and the red shirt ones were now part of the group that lives, not dies.

I'm not clear on what you're talking about, here. Please elaborate.

Your kidding! How did I miss that? What episode?

I believe that he refers to an episode of Star Trek: TNG.

Captain Scott was on a ship, the USS Jenolen, headed for a retirement colony, when the Jenolen detected a gravitational anolamy and went to investigate. It discovered a gigantic, hollow sphere, artificial, and as wide across as the diameter of Earth's orbit (and that's big, folks, about 16 light-minutes across). Is was called a "Dyson Sphere" in that episode (though I think the term was being abused as it might not correspond with what real-life physicist Freeman Dyson had in mind).

The Jenolen crashed on the surface of the sphere, and only two people survived: Scotty, and another person named Franklin (I think). Scotty knew that life support wouldn't last long enough to wait for rescue, so he pulled some kind of trick with the transporter buffer and put it into some kind of repeating cycle. He and Franklin went into the transporter and went into some kind of transporter stasis.

Since the Jenolen hadn't sent a signal to Starfleet Command, nobody knew where to find them.

When the USS Enterprise discovered the Dyson sphere and the Jenolen 75 years later, they discovered that the transporter system was still running. Scotty was recovered, but Franklin's pattern had degraded very severely over the years (meaning he was killed).

I assume that this is the episode being referred to, but if I'm wrong, then please correct me. I'm recalling this from memory.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

...

This was originally a discussion about national animals. However, if the topic drifts too much, I'll move this over to "General".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

It wasn't a TNG episode, because I own that episode that the mod is talking about. It is called "Relics"

According to my ST Encyclopedia, yes I am a nerd, it happened in a TOS episode called "The Changeling" He was killed by a nomad probe.

]But after figuring out they couldn't kill Uhura and Scotty,...

According to my ST Encyclopedia, yes I am a nerd, it happened in a TOS episode called "The Changeling" He was killed by a nomad probe.

Nomad went around killing quite a few superflous crewmen, until it finally made it to Engineering, where the inefficient carbon unit Scott was destroyed. At the request of The Creator Kirk, however, Nomad "repaired" the damage he had done. He also erased Uhura's memory, but she was eventually reeducated.

Remember, when your computer is programmed to destroy all imperfection, make sure you include a line in your programming that excludes the computer itself from its definition of imperfection.

bump

But after figuring out they couldn't kill Uhura and Scotty, the Star Trek producers realized that, in order to hide their screw up, they had to suddenly make the red shirt command so that they wouldn't have to kill two of their biggest charactors.

Think about. All the gold shirt wearers in the original series suddenly retired, and the red shirt ones were now part of the group that lives, not dies.

I'm not clear on what you're talking about, here. Please elaborate.

Your kidding! How did I miss that? What episode?

I believe that he refers to an episode of Star Trek: TNG.

Captain Scott was on a ship, the USS Jenolen, headed for a retirement colony, when the Jenolen detected a gravitational anolamy and went to investigate. It discovered a gigantic, hollow sphere, artificial, and as wide across as the diameter of Earth's orbit (and that's big, folks, about 16 light-minutes across). Is was called a "Dyson Sphere" in that episode (though I think the term was being abused as it might not correspond with what real-life physicist Freeman Dyson had in mind).

The Jenolen crashed on the surface of the sphere, and only two people survived: Scotty, and another person named Franklin (I think). Scotty knew that life support wouldn't last long enough to wait for rescue, so he pulled some kind of trick with the transporter buffer and put it into some kind of repeating cycle. He and Franklin went into the transporter and went into some kind of transporter stasis.

Since the Jenolen hadn't sent a signal to Starfleet Command, nobody knew where to find them.

When the USS Enterprise discovered the Dyson sphere and the Jenolen 75 years later, they discovered that the transporter system was still running. Scotty was recovered, but Franklin's pattern had degraded very severely over the years (meaning he was killed).

I assume that this is the episode being referred to, but if I'm wrong, then please correct me. I'm recalling this from memory.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

...

This was originally a discussion about national animals. However, if the topic drifts too much, I'll move this over to "General".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

First off, I'm not sure how to elaborate. Originally, red shirts were pitted to die. Then, suddenly, all the yellow shirts of the first series retired or "died", and red shirts became command. Thereby, Uhura and Scotty became part of the group that survived, not died.

As for the episode you named...I've seen it, and while it is the wrong one, it does stand for the end of the red shirt killings. Franklin, or w/e his name was, was an enjineer, and thereby would have been wearing a...that's right...red shirt. And then, suddenly, he got dispersed in a transporter.

In fact, this red shirt death thing is mentioned IC in one of the star trek books, in which (in a mirror universe) a science officer gives Security Ensign Kirk his blue shirt and says "Wear this, people wearing red shirts always die." Kirk wears it, and ends out being the survivor of the two security guards sent on the mission.