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Well, this is a scary observation....as of server update today, these were the endorsement standings for delegates in the Pacific regions.

Francos Spain (The Pacific) - 550
Norion (The West Pacific) - 491
Wilkshire (The North Pacific) - 488
LadyRebels (The South Pacific) - 459
1 Infinite Loop (The East Pacific) - 431

That's right - the infamous, dictatorial delegate of the Pacific, Francos Spain, is now the most endorsed person in NationStates. It seems that the anti-Francos forces have finally been defeated. :cry:

Don't worry. Most are probably inactive NSers, just wait when a bunch of inactive UN nations get neutroned and hence less votes

Go Loop! 8)

Every last Francos hater has been taken away by the sheer amount of support from him.

Remember the thread about getting CG elected? He now has the most endorsements of any Delegate. 8) :lol:

Francos Spain (The Pacific) - 550
Norion (The West Pacific) - 491
Wilkshire (The North Pacific) - 488
LadyRebels (The South Pacific) - 459
1 Infinite Loop (The East Pacific) - 431 :cry:

I have one endorsement for my nation. I am the Least Endorsed Country in NationStates. Fear me!

Could it be the regular slaughter of all males except the sultan to feed the country?

Could it be the genetic testing using various other country's national animals?

Could it be the heads on pikes that decorate our borders?

Could it be the cloning, the space satellites we put in orbit to watch other countries, the blatant disregard for capitalist countries, and the morbid laughter at the stupid people in the world?

No, it is the jealousy and envy that the feeble feel towards our great nation!

OP

Who's been delegate of the same region for the longest time?

Also who's been the delegate of the most regions?

Mind you, sheer number of endorsements doesn't necessarily equate with approval - those are vast feeder regions with thousands of nations, what percentage of their UN members are endorsing those delegates?

Oh, and what about the Rejected Realms? :lol:

Francos Spain (The Pacific) - 550
Norion (The West Pacific) - 491
Wilkshire (The North Pacific) - 488
LadyRebels (The South Pacific) - 459
1 Infinite Loop (The East Pacific) - 431 :cry:

I have one endorsement for my nation. I am the Least Endorsed Country in NationStates. Fear me!

No. I have no endorsements. That makes me the reigning Least Endorsed Country.

Feel teh power!!!!!!!!111111 :twisted:

Sheesh Goober! What's with starting this thread - I thought you were supposed to be on our side! Trying to praise FS, darn now I have really seen it all.

Every last Francos hater has been taken away by the sheer amount of support from him.
It seems that the anti-Francos forces have finally been defeated. :cry:
I would like to say here and now that these statements are FALSE. The anti-Francos forces will never give up (let's face it, it's the only reason some of us stay in this game). There is still quite a large group of us active and influential in regional politics who hate FS as much as ever. Things are slower than in October, sure, but the movement is FAR from dead.

btw...this is old news, goober :twisted:

Who's been delegate of the same region for the longest time?

Also who's been the delegate of the most regions?

that is a good question.

I have been in the Ep since Mid May last year.

Norion's Delegacy is as old as Loop's. Ladyrebels and I both arrived in Delegacy in about July, Franco in September, and Wilkshire became Delegate in January.

Then there's the matter of NS' 6th most endorsed person, Mikes Hope, the Delegate of the region on "Nationstates".

Norion's Delegacy is as old as Loop's. Ladyrebels and I both arrived in Delegacy in about July, Franco in September, and Wilkshire became Delegate in January.

Then there's the matter of NS' 6th most endorsed person, Mikes Hope, the Delegate of the region on "Nationstates".

Officially Im like four or five days older thant Him I think I am may 20th and he is may 25th

Except that Lady Rebels gave up the delegacy in like, oh, November or so to THE MATT-DUCK for a while, so really she hasn't been delegate since July.

Edit: oh yeah, and FS gave it up to Posk for a while in December, and though they're practically the same person, it still interrupted his term.

Who's been delegate of the same region for the longest time?

Also who's been the delegate of the most regions?

1- hard to say, but it could be someone in a small region most of us never heard of. I'm also thinking of North America as a possibility.

2- probably some invader / defender. Do you count this per player or per nation?

Ballotonia

I've been Delegate for The Welsh Highlands, Wales, EoP, another undisclosed region and Evility.

Not Bad 8)

Who's been delegate of the same region for the longest time?

Also who's been the delegate of the most regions?

I have been the delegate for Gamecock Central since April 2003. I became the delegate 3 days after my nation was founded.

<single tear rolls down cheek>

Sheesh Goober! What's with starting this thread - I thought you were supposed to be on our side! Trying to praise FS, darn now I have really seen it all.

Every last Francos hater has been taken away by the sheer amount of support from him.
It seems that the anti-Francos forces have finally been defeated. :cry:
I would like to say here and now that these statements are FALSE. The anti-Francos forces will never give up (let's face it, it's the only reason some of us stay in this game). There is still quite a large group of us active and influential in regional politics who hate FS as much as ever. Things are slower than in October, sure, but the movement is FAR from dead.

I sure hope so...the problem is that we need over 600 UN nations, all or most active at server update, to topple him now, and that's going to be really hard to achieve. I'm fully willing to participate in any anti-Francos invasion, but I'm just one endorsement.

600 UN nations is nigh-on impossible.
It would require the nations to move in gradually, then all endorse eachother on a set date, without Francos noticing.

600 UN nations is nigh-on impossible.
It would require the nations to move in gradually, then all endorse eachother on a set date, without Francos noticing.An realistic impossibility. I reccomend getting 20 people to endorse everyone on Franco's list and see what he does.

600 UN nations is nigh-on impossible.
It would require the nations to move in gradually, then all endorse each other on a set date, without Francos noticing.


Someone get Francos to have his say, it will be fun :wink:

I reccomend getting 20 people to endorse everyone on Franco's list and see what he does.
That is a tactic which I considered as UN Delegate of Mercia when contemplating an invasion of Blue Moon. Not attempting an ambitious wholesale takeover, but nudging a less experienced and less respected player into the top position, in the hope of disrupting the political status quo of the region. I seem to recall talking it over with you Spoffin.

Evility also had to deal with such a crisis, their Delegate was ejected from the UN, and the next in line was ejected by a player operating the Founder nation. There were some internal splits and a bit of a scandal, Evility basically dropped off the international scene for two months. The exile then joined MTNG for a while, before he was allowed to return once the political situation had changed.

Basically, given enough intelligence, there are other creative ways of disruptive interference available when brute force is not a realistic option.

Tactical Grace
UN Delegate / Minister of War / Defence Consultancy
Mercia The Next Generation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=Mercia_The_Next_Generation)

I would like to say here and now that these statements are FALSE. The anti-Francos forces will never give up (let's face it, it's the only reason some of us stay in this game). There is still quite a large group of us active and influential in regional politics who hate FS as much as ever. Things are slower than in October, sure, but the movement is FAR from dead.

I sure hope so...the problem is that we need over 600 UN nations, all or most active at server update, to topple him now, and that's going to be really hard to achieve. I'm fully willing to participate in any anti-Francos invasion, but I'm just one endorsement. Just because a full scale invasion of the pacific is an impossibility at this time, it doesn't mean that the anti-FS fight is dead. It's not. There's still many nations against him and many who are getting kicked out of the Pacific for less than reasonable motives. As long as FS has an iron grip on the home of almost 8000 nations, the movement against him will never be dead.

Seriously. The only reason his endorsement count is so high is because he went on a huge endorsement trading spree and a lot of us stopped sending so many anti-FS telegrams out to noobs. Not because he's suddenly and universally well-liked or anything.

Like I said in a post with the main Loop, Have any of the Anti Francosians considered, that youare an equal part of the problem, if you would just leave him alone and let him govern without a constant state of war perhaps you would see a change.
He is Legally elected, get over it.

I reccomend getting 20 people to endorse everyone on Franco's list and see what he does.
That is a tactic which I considered as UN Delegate of Mercia when contemplating an invasion of Blue Moon. Not attempting an ambitious wholesale takeover, but nudging a less experienced and less respected player into the top position, in the hope of disrupting the political status quo of the region. I seem to recall talking it over with you Spoffin.

Evility also had to deal with such a crisis, their Delegate was ejected from the UN, and the next in line was ejected by a player operating the Founder nation. There were some internal splits and a bit of a scandal, Evility basically dropped off the international scene for two months. The exile then joined MTNG for a while, before he was allowed to return once the political situation had changed.

Basically, given enough intelligence, there are other creative ways of disruptive interference available when brute force is not a realistic option.

Tactical Grace
UN Delegate / Minister of War / Defence Consultancy
Mercia The Next Generation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=Mercia_The_Next_Generation)


Hey you're talking about me,

But a bit of that is wrong, the Delegate knew he had been ejected out the U.N and he was scared that i would do a Francos and ejected me in favour of a guy with hardly any endorsements. So now i'm trying to rebuild the region.


I had a nation in the Pacific Army and that was one of their plans, to endorse newbie Franco endorsers and then to post anti-Franco messages that said that the newbie and their nation would topple Francos but needless to say this plan never went ahead

Francos Spain (The Pacific) - 550

Wow! The most endorsements that I have ever had was 32! And I thought that that was a lot.

Like I said in a post with the main Loop, Have any of the Anti Francosians considered, that youare an equal part of the problem, if you would just leave him alone and let him govern without a constant state of war perhaps you would see a change.
He is Legally elected, get over it.
So you are a Loop puppet?

Odd that you're supporting Francos Loop. I'd thought that you were against tyranny and endorsement swapping. Francos gained power through endorsement swapping. When he asked me why I opposed him I think that was one of th reasons that I gave.

He was legally "elected" when a bug cleared some of Theodoc's endorsements, and he endorsement-swapped his way into power.

He was legally "reelected" after a bug forced a similar situation on him as was on Theodoc by removing his delegate tag (although leaving his endorsements in place), and then Neut thretened Cor's supporters, scaring about a score of them away giving him the narrow margin that he needed.

I don't blame Francos for exploiting the loophole or neut for dong what he ruled right. What I do blame Francos and his supporters for is claiming he was "elected" both times, fairly and ethically.

You're right though. If the Anti-Francos forces left him alone, the Pacifican unity against a nonexistant, yet percieved external threat would begin to fray, then dissolve, leaving the Pacific divided, the NPO factionalized, and the NPO vulnerable to a blietzkreig(sp?).

Was Francos ever deleted?

I had a nation in the Pacific Army and that was one of their plans, to endorse newbie Franco endorsers and then to post anti-Franco messages that said that the newbie and their nation would topple Francos but needless to say this plan never went ahead

Actually the plan did go ahead...it failed. He just kicked out both the endorsers and the planted agents. Unfortunately, Free Pacific forces were unable to continue a sustained battle, given the time it took to get a new nation into the UN. I believe that's about when he made an announcement to the effect of, that he'd reward people who warned him of endorsement swappers.... <shrugs> Ahhhh well....

I had a nation in the Pacific Army and that was one of their plans, to endorse newbie Franco endorsers and then to post anti-Franco messages that said that the newbie and their nation would topple Francos but needless to say this plan never went ahead

Actually the plan did go ahead...it failed. He just kicked out both the endorsers and the planted agents. Unfortunately, Free Pacific forces were unable to continue a sustained battle, given the time it took to get a new nation into the UN. I believe that's about when he made an announcement to the effect of, that he'd reward people who warned him of endorsement swappers.... <shrugs> Ahhhh well....


But wasn't he deleted once?

Yeah, but, it was a game "bug" and the mods gave him his nation back. More's the pity.

Yeah, but, it was a game "bug" and the mods gave him his nation back. More's the pity.But he's stuck with an August founding date. Not that it really matters when he only rarely comes onto the forums, and when it is it's always in here(Gameplay) or in Moderation.

Unfortunately, his deletion removed him from the regional ban list. Now there's an unorthodox way to get back into a region. :P

Yeah, but, it was a game "bug" and the mods gave him his nation back. More's the pity.But he's stuck with an August founding date. Not that it really matters when he only rarely comes onto the forums, and when it is it's always in here(Gameplay) or in Moderation.

Unfortunately, his deletion removed him from the regional ban list. Now there's an unorthodox way to get back into a region. :P

:wink:


When did you get ejected Unfree People?

I thought you supported him :?

:shock: :shock:

God no... the first posts I ever had in the forum were crying about Francos taking over the Pacific and ejecting so many people, including me... I got ejected along with hundreds of others in September and have been booted multiple times since then (praise be whoever decided to limit the banlist length). Yep, I would be one of those pacific army whiners everyone disliked so much.

:shock: :shock:

God no... the first posts I ever had in the forum were crying about Francos taking over the Pacific and ejecting so many people, including me... I got ejected along with hundreds of others in September and have been booted multiple times since then (praise be whoever decided to limit the banlist length). Yep, I would be one of those pacific army whiners everyone disliked so much.


Okay, thought you were a devout Franky. Oh well..

hi
i was just wondering why their is such an large anti-franco feeling. being a filthy noob i dont know.
cheers

Let's see... because he endorsement-traded his way to the delegacy without letting anyone know what he was up to... when he got the delegacy he proceeded to eject everyone even close to him in endorsements... everyone who dared to complain about the ejections... anyone whose motto or name he didn't like... it continued until the mods finally put some kind of limit on it, after about 20% of the natives had been kicked out. Except that he still manages to keep the biggest banlist in the whole game, still manages to piss off new nations by ejecting for unfair reasons, and still has an iron grip on the home region of one-fifth of the NS population.

Bah.

Yeah. And he manages to have a group of followers and hates regional recruitment posts in "his" message board. There's been cases of regional recruiters being banned from "his" region for no other reason that regional recruitment.

Well, this is a scary observation....as of server update today, these were the endorsement standings for delegates in the Pacific regions.

Francos Spain (The Pacific) - 550
Norion (The West Pacific) - 491
Wilkshire (The North Pacific) - 488
LadyRebels (The South Pacific) - 459
1 Infinite Loop (The East Pacific) - 431

That's right - the infamous, dictatorial delegate of the Pacific, Francos Spain, is now the most endorsed person in NationStates. It seems that the anti-Francos forces have finally been defeated. :cry:

Update 4-1-2k4
Francos Spain (The Pacific) - 555
Norion (The West Pacific) - 502
Wilkshire (The North Pacific) - 482
LadyRebels (The South Pacific) - 446
1 Infinite Loop (The East Pacific) - 477

Interesting...I was browsing a couple old threads, and came across the following:

(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1439364#1439364)]Boy, those Pacific regions are lightning rods for hardball politics.

Nations appealing for moderator intervention need to understand that the game allows players to act unfairly. Francos Spain, like many before, has decided to be ruthless in the quest for power and bump off any potential threats. This is appalling and undemocratic behavior, and personally I hope residents in the Pacific yank their endorsements. But they are not compelled to do so. Delegates are elected by region residents, not by mods. If the Pacific leaves Francos Spain in power, that is their choice.

In many cases before this one, a Delegate's tyranny has come back to bite him, eventually leading to his unseating. I encourage nations offended by Francos Spain's acts to try the same. This is a job for Pacific residents, not the mods.