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hmmmmm.... i look outside and do you know what i see? i see the world slowly being destoryed by region crashers....the fact of the matter is there are more crashers than protectors... there are too many who wont stand up for themselves....im loookijng for those who wish to stand up for those who cant stand alone... look if your not interested dont get my hopes up by posting... but if you are... my the spirit of the former Elite Ghosts stand with you...

i see what your saying... but there are many to fight... i hope that you manage to gather a new team.

thats not the point of the matter... we must stand together or be destoryed... that is the law of the universe

the Elite Ghosts your spirirt is a fading light in the universe you no longer have the power to stop the attack just like aylandlandfive he thinks hes making a diffrence but hes not...

The problem as I see it is that the crashers are no longer organised into large bureaucratic outfits as in the early days, while the defenders still are. Thus the crasher outfits are smaller and more numerous, and therefore more difficult to detect and keep track of, and the regions they attack also tend to be smaller, drawing much less attention when they are crashed. The defenders on the other hand, tend to be larger units which do not notice most of this activity, and are somewhat limited by inertia when it comes to mobilisation.

I suppose a fair analogy would be the challenges posed by the current War on Terror, as opposed to the old Cold War doctrine of proxy wars between established and familiar players.

I too wish for the good old days when news of an invasion would spread far and wide in a day, and UN nations from half a dozen different regions would drop their committments and rush to the defence of a region. Sadly, that does not seem to happen so much.

Tactical Grace
UN Delegate / Minister of War / Defence Consultancy
Mercia The Next Generation

I suppose a fair analogy would be the challenges posed by the current War on Terror, as opposed to the old Cold War doctrine of proxy wars between established and familiar players.
Oh yes, very fair analogy, as if people werent biased enough against invaders?

I suppose a fair analogy would be the challenges posed by the current War on Terror, as opposed to the old Cold War doctrine of proxy wars between established and familiar players.
Oh yes, very fair analogy, as if people werent biased enough against invaders?
From my perspective, the analogy carries no bias, as I am not particularly biased in favour of either side. The analogy was intended to relate to purely organisational matters, and was in no way a comment on the relative morality of crashers and defenders.

Tactical Grace
UN Delegate / Minister of War / Defence Consultancy
Mercia The Next Generation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=Mercia_The_Next_Generation)

The problem as I see it is that the crashers are no longer organised into large bureaucratic outfits as in the early days, while the defenders still are. Thus the crasher outfits are smaller and more numerous, and therefore more difficult to detect and keep track of, and the regions they attack also tend to be smaller, drawing much less attention when they are crashed. The defenders on the other hand, tend to be larger units which do not notice most of this activity, and are somewhat limited by inertia when it comes to mobilisation.

I suppose a fair analogy would be the challenges posed by the current War on Terror, as opposed to the old Cold War doctrine of proxy wars between established and familiar players.

I too wish for the good old days when news of an invasion would spread far and wide in a day, and UN nations from half a dozen different regions would drop their committments and rush to the defence of a region. Sadly, that does not seem to happen so much.

Tactical Grace
UN Delegate / Minister of War / Defence Consultancy
Mercia The Next Generation



True, i think it is sad, i used to enjoy invaders and defenders trying to out endorse each other.

But now it is just groups of multis who grief region like AoSS and Lue :cry:


But you are slightly biased you rally defenders with Playa Chk

I've been doing the invasion thing for over a year now. I watched the rise and fall of the large invasion groups. My group never changed too much, we've always been smallish. As far as region crashers being plentiful....hardly. Someone stated that all regions crashers are now multis, well that's not true however those that aren't multis have found it almost impossible to play the game from an invasion standpoint.

What you are seeing now was inevitable. Invasions are so heavily regulated that to pull off an invasion without losing your UN status or getting deleted is near impossible. Game mechanics have changed since the early days as well. Most regions can't be invaded becuase of a founder and/or password. Of the 5% that can be invaded maybe 10% of those are actually worth invading (dead regions aren't worth it)

So out of all the regions maybe 0.5% are worth invading. You can go into a region, take over the delegateship, but then you might as well leave. You can't protect the region becuase you have to give out the password to everyone. As mentioned before the defender groups have gotten so large that they can summon 50 nations in a few hours. To top it off a lot of them are Dutch(?) so they're up at the update time. Then they have so many scripts and data that they could probably tell you more about any nation/region than Salusa could.

The cards have become so heavily stacked against region crashing that trying to coordinate anything on a scale greater than say 10 nations guarantees failure. You can't move the number of nations required to crash anymore without attracting attention. You couldn't do it before either but before there was nothing anyone could do anyway.

Then to put the icing on the cake the rules for invasions are so flexible that most anything can get a region crasher kicked from the UN or deleted. Even the accusation of wrongdoing on behalf of a native is enough to do it sometimes.

Region crashing has become an activity that is next to impossible to perform legally so there are less and less people doing it. What will eventually happen is you will wind up with no region crashing groups that are trying to do it by the books and all region crashing will be done by those who don't care about following the rules.