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Hi!
My original power caculator was this:



What do you think?* Open to edit.* Please post the most ridiculously high and low scores.

Superpower calculator:

Population (in millions) = Ppn

No. of endorsements = E

No. of posts = P

Members in own region = Rm

Resolutions passed = R

RPs with over 50 posts = Rp



Ppn+(Rm*50) makes NS points.* Add 150 if you own an alliance.

P+(Rp*50) makes Forum points.

E*100+R*1000 makes UN points.

Add all totals together.* Check rating:

<500 points – Miniscule State
*Oh dear!* Your country is easily overlooked by most of NS.* A stronger foreign policy is essential. Example: Monaco

500-999 points – Minor Nation

You can be proud of your country – it is moderately powerful.* However, it isn’t nearly a power. Example: Poland

1000-1999 – Ambitious Country
This is a promising newcomer on the world stage.* You’ve turned a few heads, and you look good to succeed.* Keep it up!* Example: Cuba

2000-2499 – Minor Power
You are surprisingly influential in your affairs, and older nations are finding it increasingly difficult to ignore you.* Example: Germany/France.

2500-3999 – Power

Congratulations!* You’ve certainly make an impression on NS.* A key figure on the world stage – no-one can ignore you now.* Example: Russia
4000-4999 – Dominating Power
Wow!* You’re certainly doing well – you can start ignoring other nations!* Well done on your success. Example: China


5000+ - Superpower
Oh, Almighty, we worship you…You are one of the most influential elite on the planet!* No-one can claim to have more power than you, and you will be subject to lame flattery…is that a new haircut?* Example:* You’ve guessed it, the USA

No offence to anyone in the example countries – they’re just quickly-thought-of reference guides.* These countries can be overlooked in one factor (ie. Military strength) but the strongest in the world in another.* Can anyone put this as a spreadsheet on a website?*

I am now planning a revised calculator, more accurate. It takes inot account economy, UN status, reflected power off allies (weak influence), forum presence (weak influence on total), population, endorsements and region size.
I am also using a formula to minimise the distortion caused by super-large populations/economies, etc. - namely a square root function.

Please post your opinions below. Thank you.

I think forum presence should be weaker in influence, like you plan for the revision....many posts doesn't equal much IC influence; e.g some people just hang out in General without roleplaying...and nobody can really keep track of all their RP's with 50 posts, except for me, because I don't engage in many RP's, and only two have over 50 posts, one in which I was only a minor member of.

The Zoogie People:

NS Points: 502 + (63*50) + 150 (my region is an alliance) = 3802
Forum Points: 1401 + (2 * 50) = 1501
UN Points: 15 * 100 + 0 = 1500

Total: 3802 + 1501 + 1500 = 6803 \ Superpower.

I would also recommend revising the power/major power/superpower meter, because this is all relative to the real world...but in NS, where hundreds of countries have 1 billion + populations, with frightening economies, the superpower scale ought to be different...if this was the real world with the addition of my nation, yeah, I would be a superpower...but it's not, and plenty of people on NS can cream me. In all probability, more that can than the number that can't.

Brilliant, well a comment from me that could be odd.

Mine is: -

3640, so I'm quite well know. You could include someting for how well known your posts are, or if you are a moderator etc.

Brilliant, well a comment from me what do you know, this is very good. Just a question are you a mathematics student?

Mine is: -

3640, so I'm quite well know. You could include someting for how well known your posts are, or if you are a moderator etc.

PS - This is a great calculator, a lot easier than the other one's I've seen...keeping track of a gazillion variables for four hundred thousand calculations...

PS - This is a great calculator, a lot easier than the other one's I've seen...keeping track of a gazillion variables for four hundred thousand calculations...

Hey, that's cool...

You could include someting for how well known your posts are

how would you quantify that, though?

Yeah, it's a little off.

Hell, just my posts are enough to make me a superpower.

[Edit: Tabulated my score: 10,034]

No, I'm not a maths student. But I'm flattered for the suggestion. :)

Yeah, the facts that some nations have 15,000 points is a problem. My new improved calculator will have these categories:
Politically powerless region (below 500)
Miniscule state
Minor nation
Sovereign nation-state
Ambitious nation
Minor power
Power
Superpower
HYPERPOWER (over 15,000 or20,000 or something)

I come up with a score of 12,578. Which makes me very powerful by that measure. Not sure how representative as a whole that method would be.

THis is based mainly on RPed power.

An actual gameplay calculader would take into account:

Power (Most Gamplayers would lack in this):

-number of puppets in important positions
-number of nations in main region
-number of nations in puppet regions
-number of UN nations in an alliance one may lead

Influence:

-power of friends
-influence withing each region
-intel network
dunno, kinda tire I'l think of more later

Prestige:

-Number of succesful campaigns
-Number of posts
-Number of stickies
-height or depth in UN rankings


THe problem is in actual Gameplay, there are far fewer solid variables.
One note is that for Gameplay, economy and population are irrelevant, and if you are a puppetmaster not in the UN, a crasher who uses a puppet for UN nation then UN is pointless.

A good example is Ackbar.

He doesn't have many posts, he would fail the UN test, and yet nobody can afford to turn a blind eye to him.

On the other hand there are a few ancient delegates of large regions who are little known outside of their region and their region's allies.

There are some more things that I could point out but I'm tired.

Long story short: I hate "calculators" and love picking them apart. :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

In my new calculator I could divide UN points/forum points, etc. over time. Do you think I should do that?

I like your idea, and I'm glad to see you're revising things. The only comment I would make is that your old calculator doesn't bode well for nations not in the UN. I agree that influence in the UN does have a bearing on your power. However, my nation's leader has issues with the UN (not what it does, just the whole idea in general...) and therefore the nation ends up with a smaller power status. Unfortunately I don't know how you could fix things to allow for that, but I at least wanted to voice my opinion. Good luck with it all!

Hmmm...this calculator works really well for those of us who have been around for over a year. My population alone gives me a NS score of 2,514,000,000. Add in the fact that I am co-founder of the region Wysteria, and my score gets bumped to:

2, 514,010,600. (or Super Dooper Scary Super Power)

Mind you I have a much lower score in the Forum category, since I do my role-playing in our private forum.

Thus NS forum score = 379 (or 'Pretty Pathetic) but my Wysterian forum score is more like 1041 (or 'Ambitious Country). But while those posts make me incredibly well-known in Wysteria, it doesn't count for much in the wide world of NS.

I'm no longer in the UN, so I can't count any points there.

I look forward to your revised calculator, since I think the idea is really cool, but basing things on our population can make things pretty skewed.

Not that I mind. 8)

Edit: I just realized that your scores don't count all those zeros on the millions. :oops: I am really slow today.

My revised score would be: 2514 (population) + (212 (members in region)*50) = 13,114.

Then you can add whichever forum points you feel are applicable. Even with this revised estimate, I still score 2.5 times Super Power, even though most NS nations have never heard of me.

I still score 2.5 times Super Power, even though most NS nations have never heard of me.
Never heard of you?

I remember back when I was pretty new and trying to stop confusing you with Eridanus.
Eventually I figured out "horse-like name is Eguus, guy who needed a dentist is Eridanus", thanks to Eridanus's new siggy.

Sorry about my earlier meltdown. I hate it when people take calculators and quizzes seriously. Being very tired I assumed that people where. Now that I've taken a bit of a nap ('K more than a bit: 7 hours), I can respod halfway coherently.

First, my score:

Pop in millions: 1357

No. of endorsements: (N/A although I had six and was still rebounding from my excursion to LUE when I resigned from the UN)

No. of posts: 5530 (or somewhere arond there, I post way too much)

Members in own region: 38 (a couple of these are my puppets mind. Also, I have some members in a few puppwt regions. One of these, Anatolia, even has UN members)

Resolutions passed: 0 (I was planning out a coupla good proposals right before I resigned from the UN. When and if the repeals process is instated, I will rejoin on Qaaolchoura, submit them, and see if I can get them passed.

RPs with over 50 posts: That I started? One I think, although I was mooching off another RP (If I can get Goober to continue posting on our rippoff of the Siroc and Newsted Saga where we go to search for them I'll have another one.)

1357 + (38 x 50 = 190) = 1547 NS points
5530 + 50 = 5580 Forum Points
0 UN points (N/A)

6887 = Dominating Power

I'll put my coherent arguements as to how this should be edited into a new post, as people seem to have aversions to reading long technical posts.

Now at last for what I think should be changed.

First off you combine power, influence(pull), and fame (prestige). I feel that for the intial calculations these should be separated to make it easy to use for jut one factor.

Secondly I think that It would make sense to have two seperate rating systems for UN Members and non-UN members (or those who only use a minor puppet like most crashers and myself as a UN nation). Even for those who use their main nation or a prominent puppet as their UN nation, The Un is still weighted too highly.

Thirdly, I feel that with everybody(albeit we are all people whom I would consider famous, influential, or powerful) getting "superpower" you may wish to revise either your rating or your weightings.

Fourthly, I feel that you give far too much weight to RP, when of the three primary factions in NS, only one reguarly RPs on these forums.

Now for more minor revision ideas.

Power

UN Members(good for mesuring number of main nations) in main region (if one controls it)

*Members in puppet regions.

UN members in puppet regions

UN Members in alliance

Influence

Regional allies.

Number of friends in high places (leaders of powerful regions)

Number of allies in high places.

Number of puppets in regions not controlled by self.

*Number of puppets in powerful positions (deputy, minister of war or intel, etc as opposed to minister of pyrotechnics)

Fame

*What about number of stickies(and announcements, adding a few points for an annoucified post) as part of your calculations (I counted 21 unique players(not counting mods) still in existence with stickies. Six players (Myth, Loop, Bas, Nanakaland, TROUSRS, and myself have more than one each). ALthough this is not as many as the 33 nation who have resolutions to their names, both are rare enough to be prestigious, yet easy enough to count.

What about a few points for being a Pacific delegate (several times that if you are Francos Spain :twisted: )

Points for being a moderator (I put this under "fame" as mod powers are not powers that can be manipulated to one's advantage).

Points for topping a non-MI ranking that you have to work for (first page).

Points for toppping an economic UN ranking each time(fewer points as the MI rankings are the "you get really high in one, you get high in several type things with a few notabe exceptions like Gambling)

Points for having a puppet top the Political Freedoms, Liberalness (Personal Freedoms), or Income equality rankings with a puppet.

Number of succeful crashing/defending/raiding campaigns as either intel, organizer(recon), or leader.


*denotes field I personally view as exceptionally important.

Oh yes also, aside from raising UN Major Industry rankings economy is utterly worthless.

Even in RP you can hypothetically have a good military and civilian infrastructure if you go by one's UN rankings. This is what I would do except that as I rarely RP I haven't had to do this yet.

Superpower calculator:

Population (in millions) = Ppn

No. of endorsements = E

No. of posts = P

Members in own region = Rm

Resolutions passed = R

RPs with over 50 posts = Rp



Ppn+(Rm*50) makes NS points. Add 150 if you own an alliance.

P+(Rp*50) makes Forum points.

E*100+R*1000 makes UN points.

Lessee...

NS points:

2179+(2071*50)= 105729

Forum points:

1875+(3*50)= 2025

UN Points:

(183*100)= 18300

For a total of 126,054 points...life is good.

Wow...

I have to safeguard against that.

I still score 2.5 times Super Power, even though most NS nations have never heard of me.
Never heard of you?

I remember back when I was pretty new and trying to stop confusing you with Eridanus.
Eventually I figured out "horse-like name is Eguus, guy who needed a dentist is Eridanus", thanks to Eridanus's new siggy.

<grin> Gal with horse-name, actually. And Eridanus? I wouldn't have thought it. I'm not a fan of his sig, but now I find I'm grateful for it!

<grin> Gal with horse-name, actually. And Eridanus? I wouldn't have thought it. I'm not a fan of his sig, but now I find I'm grateful for it!
Usually if one doesn't know the gender of a player its safe to guess that they are male. Of course I remember a few embarassing incidences as I thought that Unfree, Pope Hope, and Rep were male as well.

As for his sig, I didn't like it and told him as much several times, but I felt sorry for him when he was forced to stop using it.

Hi!
My original power caculator was this:



.... Add 150 if you own an alliance.



Maybe this is just me being a bit slow here, but how does one 'own' an alliance? Surely you are either part of an alliance or you are imposing some kind of structure which is other than an alliance?