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Many players in this game believe that Francos Spain has committed cruelties against the spirit of this game, yet Francos Spain claims to be acting in the interest of The Pacific.
Many of us are convinced that Crazy Girl is an excellent choice for delegate of the great region of The Pacific.
This in-absentia election is meant to put to the test whether the members of The Pacific truly prefer to have Francos Spain as delegate.
Crazy Girl has agreed to run for delegate, and we pledge our full support to her and to The Pacific in this endeavor.
Crazy Girl has been a player of this game since late March 2003. During this time she has demonstrated her leadership ability and her compassion and helpfulness toward other players. For much of that time she has been residing in The Pacific. However, Francos Spain and Poskrebyshev have not allowed her UN nation to reside in The Pacific since they acquired the delegacy.

Francos Spain and Poskrebyshev have made it clear that they will eject any nation guilty of acquiring more than 15 endorsements. Many of us have far more than 15 close friends in this game, and would not be allowed to share endorsements with each other.

My reason for joining in this campaign is that I don't like to see Francos Spain spoil this game for the players who happen to be born in The Pacific, and I don't like the way he has treated players who had called The Pacific home.
I wouldn't want this to happen to me, and would appreciate someone else helping me out if the tables were turned.

More generally, I believe that anything that anyone does to end cruelty anywhere is helpful to everyone everywhere.

Everyone is invited to express their support of Crazy Girl's candidacy with brief, meaningful posts here. Questions are invited.

Each UN nation who either currently resides in The Pacific or wishes to reside in The Pacific, is invited to post their wish to endorse Crazy Girl for delegate in The Pacific here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2641872#2641872

Given the event that sufficient support has been expressed for Crazy Girl, then there will be many groups ready to invade The Pacific and place her in the delegate's chair. Those players who wish to help with invasion work are invited to contact me here: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=366 or to contact any of the other nations who are represented in this topic.

I wish to become Delegate of the Pacific.
I love the Pacific, It has always been the home of my oldest nations Crazygirl and Delphina.

I believe the current Delegate in the Pacific is slowly destroying the region. There is a lot of inactivity in the Pacific, which once was one of the more active regions in the game.
When I become Delegate, I will do my best to create new alliances between the Pacific and the other Pacifics and the RR. I also want to make alliances with other regions


I'm also working on a new forum, one that will help communications between nations in the Pacific, as well with relations between the Pacific and other regions.
There will also be room for discussions on the UN resolutions, because because I intend to vote according to the majority of the region. a place where people can post their proposals and where people can vote on them.
And of course the forum will be a fun place to hang out ;)
We would then work closely together with other experienced nations.


There will be a place on the forum, where people can campaign for endorsments, so people can choose for themselves who they want as UN Delegate

I just want to try and get people who want involved in the game, either in regional or in interregional issues, as well as just fun.

Also, I will discuss with the people in the Pacific about nations that get a place on the banlist, everyone will get a say, or will be able to defend himself

CG

That's great, but how are you going to get Crazy Girl delegate? I mean she may have been elected but do you expect Posky and Franco to give up delegacy? :?:

That's great, but how are you going to get Crazy Girl delegate? I mean she may have been elected but do you expect Posky and Franco to give up delegacy? :?:

I think that it is more of a PR Stunt. Currently, the NPO forums make it appear that Pacific residents are all irulent enenmies of cg, and this vote on the neutral ground of the NS forum proper may go a long way towards countering that.

She's CRAZY!!! She's slashing prices to the bone......She will not be undersold....... No reasonable offer refused...... She's ready to deal..... No Credit? No Problem....... Crazy Girl is ready to help you.


Subject to credit approval, dealer retains all rebates, no warranty either written or implied, 120 month financing, 35% interest compounded weekly, subject to availability, all models not available in all stores, not valid in TN or that one city in KY with all the nut cases. The preceding small print is brought to you just because guys like Qaaol like to make me try to read this small crap all the time so I thought I'd return the favor

She's CRAZY!!! She's slashing prices to the bone......She will not be undersold....... No reasonable offer refused...... She's ready to deal..... No Credit? No Problem....... Crazy Girl is ready to help you.


Subject to credit approval, dealer retains all rebates, no warranty either written or implied, 120 month financing, 35% interest compounded weekly, subject to availability, all models not available in all stores, not valid in TN or that one city in KY with all the nut cases. The preceding small print is brought to you just because guys like Qaaol like to make me try to read this small crap all the time so I thought I'd return the favor

If you put this thing in quotes, much easier to read the small stuff 8)

In any case although I love the post, this is a serious attempt to show the support Pacificans inside and outside of the Pacific can not show under Francos' fist.

CG is committed to the ideals that made the Pacific one of the most stable regions in the game for a long time. She has our full support.

Siggi
RRA High Commander

She's CRAZY!!! She's slashing prices to the bone......She will not be undersold....... No reasonable offer refused...... She's ready to deal..... No Credit? No Problem....... Crazy Girl is ready to help you.


Subject to credit approval, dealer retains all rebates, no warranty either written or implied, 120 month financing, 35% interest compounded weekly, subject to availability, all models not available in all stores, not valid in TN or that one city in KY with all the nut cases. The preceding small print is brought to you just because guys like Qaaol like to make me try to read this small crap all the time so I thought I'd return the favor

If you put this thing in quotes, much easier to read the small stuff 8)

In any case although I love the post, this is a serious attempt to show the support Pacificans inside and outside of the Pacific can not show under Francos' fist.

CG is committed to the ideals that made the Pacific one of the most stable regions in the game for a long time. She has our full support.

Siggi
RRA High Commander


Though i'm delegate of the RR, that is the "Rejected Realms", (i'm ex brixton rude boys) i think Francos has a lot of support inside the pacific now, those who hate him have left, or been politely asked to leave :evil: by Francos, but i think Pacificans will not vote and it will simply be a one sided vote, againist Francos.

Can someone tell Francos to come and give us his opinions?


Good Luck :D

A vote here, as was stated, would be severely one sided. As stated, we are all aware of the dictatorship of the Francos Spain/Poskrebyshev government. Most of us who formerly called The Pacific our home and now reside outside the Pacific for various reasons (mostly due to Francos having ejected us) would vote one way and most likely support Crazy Girl as delegate. The rest of those that call The Pacific home and are still in The Pacific would fall into two camps. Francos supporters, who would not support this motion and the anti-Francos Group who could hardly make themselves known, especially to the Francos Gestapo ans supporters, as they would then quickly be on the outside as did most of us that are now outside The Pacific.

One thing I had noticed, there are a lot of UN nations in The Pacific who do not support Francos Spain or Poskrebyshev, in fact the margin is like four to one against the so called NPO group. As soon as there is any sign of an invasion on the anti-Francos camp's part, Francos/Poskrebyshev is made aware of it and begins to eject wholesale nations from the region, starting with those that are doing the endorsements, followed by the nations being endorsed.

Announcing in such a public way as this is not likely to work.

Francos is delegate again...here we go....

I believe that this is an excellent way to bring fairness and truth to the situation in the Pacific. Regardless of your stance, wouldn't it be interesting and enlightening to view the results of such an in-abstentia election?

Many of my regionmates and friends inside and out of my region have been negatively touched by the current regime of rule in the Pacific. I have no qualms with security procedures such as the ones enforced in the Pacific--when the guidelines of such rules are developed and supported by the majority of the natives in the region. This is not the case in the Pacific, where the rule has been imposed. It's also difficult in a feeder region to enforce such a rule, when new nations are born every day who engage in activities such as endorsement swapping out of sheer curiosity and a furvor to get involved. I've met quite a few wonderful players when they have woken up in the RR to wonder how they arrived there, on no ill-intent of their own. It's largely these nations that have led previous missions to unseat the current leadership in the Pacific, and my heart goes out to them.

Crazy girl has long been a leader in NS, and has shown us her strength and dedication to the cause in the Pacific. I believe that this is an excellent way to find out how the natives of the Pacific truly feel--provided we can "get them out for the vote."

After all, there's nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, right? Many people filling RL leadership positions improve their leadership when faced with a strong competitor who believes in the cause they are fighting for and try their hardest to improve current circumstances--regardless of whether or not they win the competition.

I sincerely support this attempt to reveal the true feelings of the natives of the Pacific, and believe Crazy girl to be a worthy competitor and candidate.

And wow, isn't Twoslit an eloquent speaker? *Applause*

;)

Crazy Girl has long shown herself to be a good leader of her people, no matter what sort of trouble they are up against. She has stood by the cause of the Pacific through thick and thin, and would be an ideal Delegate for the region.

As for Francos Spain, all I can say about him is that he makes sure that my home region of the Rejected Realms is never without immigrants.

I would like it to be known here and now that I fully support CG in this matter, or anyone that can get in there and do what must be done.

Yes the feelings I have for FS these days are anger, I used to hold some sort of respect for him, but I can not do that now. We all know that he and Savage spread outright lies about me to the SP Nations, just to make a bid to remove the Freedoms of the South Pacific Region, just as he and his friends have stripped it from the Pacific.

I hope and pray that somehow, sometime, somewhere, and soon that we can free the Pacific Region once again, to make it into a fun place once more.

I like the idea of this, and will throw my UN Vote onto your side in this idea only if:

- you acknowledge that Francos Spain does not have to allow you such an election. Be this merely a back-corner church call to try to get people to again galvanize…. If it is you intent to simply wake people with this idea, and you acknowledge you are dealing with a dictator who will in no way acknowledge your election, then I will certainly support that.

I must come into this argument on the side of CrazyGirl.

Whether she is a good leader or not seems to be a secondary concern. To quote Emperor Matthius:

"Though i'm delegate of the RR, that is the "Rejected Realms", (i'm ex brixton rude boys) i think Francos has a lot of support inside the pacific now, those who hate him have left, or been politely asked to leave by Francos, but i think Pacificans will not vote and it will simply be a one sided vote, againist Francos."

This is a problem. The fact that a delegate is using the democratic system to run a region-wide dictatorship is dispicable. If he, or any region wishes to do that at home, they are more than welcome, but abuse of this power must be curtailed. It is the resposibility of current, former, and future Pacificans to tell Franco that what he's doing is unacceptable.

This is cute guys. No, really.

I suppose I'll have to counter by declaring InfernoIce delegate of CGs Place, for some reason. Thankfully for the Pacific and its nations, it chooses its own leaders, while disgruntled nations residing abroad do not.

And what about you, The Twoslit Experiment, creator of this thread? What about those nations you recently ejected from the North Pacific because they were rivaling your position as delegate? I suppose you don't want to mention them, for fear of being viewed as a hypocrite. Shall I declare them the "true" delegates of the North Pacific now, just for a morale boost?

Perhaps you're just jealous of my 100% approval rating.

Perhaps you're just jealous of my 100% approval rating.

A bit like Saddam Hussein's 100% election results, eh?

Many players in this game believe that Francos Spain has committed cruelties against the spirit of this game, yet Francos Spain claims to be acting in the interest of The Pacific.
Many of us are convinced that Crazy Girl is an excellent choice for delegate of the great region of The Pacific.
This in-absentia election is meant to put to the test whether the members of The Pacific truly prefer to have Francos Spain as delegate.
Crazy Girl has agreed to run for delegate, and we pledge our full support to her and to The Pacific in this endeavor.
Crazy Girl has been a player of this game since late March 2003. During this time she has demonstrated her leadership ability and her compassion and helpfulness toward other players. For much of that time she has been residing in The Pacific. However, Francos Spain and Poskrebyshev have not allowed her UN nation to reside in The Pacific since they acquired the delegacy.

Francos Spain and Poskrebyshev have made it clear that they will eject any nation guilty of acquiring more than 15 endorsements. Many of us have far more than 15 close friends in this game, and would not be allowed to share endorsements with each other.

My reason for joining in this campaign is that I don't like to see Francos Spain spoil this game for the players who happen to be born in The Pacific, and I don't like the way he has treated players who had called The Pacific home.
I wouldn't want this to happen to me, and would appreciate someone else helping me out if the tables were turned.

More generally, I believe that anything that anyone does to end cruelty anywhere is helpful to everyone everywhere.

Everyone is invited to express their support of Crazy Girl's candidacy with brief, meaningful posts here. Questions are invited.

Each UN nation who either currently resides in The Pacific or wishes to reside in The Pacific, is invited to post their wish to endorse Crazy Girl for delegate in The Pacific here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2641872#2641872

Given the event that sufficient support has been expressed for Crazy Girl, then there will be many groups ready to invade The Pacific and place her in the delegate's chair. Those players who wish to help with invasion work are invited to contact me here: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=366 or to contact any of the other nations who are represented in this topic.

I pray that The twoslit experiment will give up his hypocritical and despotic ways and free the North Pacific from his own tyranny. Love thy neighbor, twoslit. Love thy neighbor.

Emperor Franco has blessed the Pacific with his righteous reign. Under his benevolent rule, the Pacific has become the most politically free region in all of NationStates.

Again, I will pray that delegates such as The twoslit experiment, LadyRebels, and Norion will accept Nur into their hearts and lives, and free their respective regions from their iron grips.

Bless you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Nootroughsis: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=77
Domocolees: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=167

In both cases, the banning of these nations was discussed openly and thoroughly with their involvement. The evidence was presented, and the matter was discussed for two months and two weeks, respectively. Francos Spain, on the other hand, has never sought regional involvement in any bannings.

The Pacific Ban List: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=the_pacific
The North Pacific Ban List: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=the_north_pacific

Only Francos Spain's ban list has 200 names on it. (Moderators imposed a limit after his list had over 700 names on it.)

Also note the huge difference in endorsements.

Nootroughsis: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=77
Domocolees: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?showtopic=167

In both cases, the banning of these nations was discussed openly and thoroughly with their involvement. The evidence was presented, and the matter was discussed for two months and two weeks, respectively. Francos Spain, on the other hand, has never sought regional involvement in any bannings.

The Pacific Ban List: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=the_pacific
The North Pacific Ban List: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=the_north_pacific

Only Francos Spain's ban list has 200 names on it. (Moderators imposed a limit after his list had over 700 names on it.)

Why do you lie, twoslit? Emperor Franco consults with the other Pacific senators before he ejects the many Nurless invaders that crash the shores of the Pacific.

The only reason the Pacific banned list is so high is because many evil regions have targeted our beloved Emperor, for they are jealous of the love that is shown to him by all the nations of the Pacific.

I pray that you stop these vicious and groundless lies against our
benevolent Emperor.

Bless you, child.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Also note the huge difference in endorsements.

You see, my wayward child, Emperor Franco does not have as many endorsements as some of the other Pacific delegates simply because evil, spiteful invaders spread lies about him to make it easier to invade and taunt and torment the good nations of the Pacific.

Despite their devilish actions, benevolent Emperor Franco stands proud and strong, willing to protect the Pacific from foreign aggression until his dying breath.

Nur truly blesses Emperor Franco, assured that he will lead the Pacific to ever greater heights!

Bless you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Also note the huge difference in endorsements.

You see, my wayward child, Emperor Franco does not have as many endorsements as some of the other Pacific delegates simply because evil, spiteful invaders spread lies about him to make it easier to invade and taunt and torment the good nations of the Pacific.

Despite their devilish actions, benevolent Emperor Franco stands proud and strong, willing to protect the Pacific from foreign aggression until his dying breath.

Nur truly blesses Emperor Franco, assured that he will lead the Pacific to ever greater heights!

Bless you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Obviously these 'lies' are truthful seeing as Francos has a mere 217 endorsements, when most other pacific delegates have 500+

Also note the huge difference in endorsements.

You see, my wayward child, Emperor Franco does not have as many endorsements as some of the other Pacific delegates simply because evil, spiteful invaders spread lies about him to make it easier to invade and taunt and torment the good nations of the Pacific.

Despite their devilish actions, benevolent Emperor Franco stands proud and strong, willing to protect the Pacific from foreign aggression until his dying breath.

Nur truly blesses Emperor Franco, assured that he will lead the Pacific to ever greater heights!

Bless you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Obviously these 'lies' are truthful seeing as Francos has a mere 217 endorsements, when most other pacific delegates have 500+

What you're not taking into account, Myrth, is that newer players and isolationist nations will believe most any telegram they recieve, whether or not the content in the telegram is truthful.

Also note the huge difference in endorsements.

You see, my wayward child, Emperor Franco does not have as many endorsements as some of the other Pacific delegates simply because evil, spiteful invaders spread lies about him to make it easier to invade and taunt and torment the good nations of the Pacific.

Despite their devilish actions, benevolent Emperor Franco stands proud and strong, willing to protect the Pacific from foreign aggression until his dying breath.

Nur truly blesses Emperor Franco, assured that he will lead the Pacific to ever greater heights!

Bless you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Obviously these 'lies' are truthful seeing as Francos has a mere 217 endorsements, when most other pacific delegates have 500+

What you're not taking into account, Myrth, is that newer players and isolationist nations will believe most any telegram they recieve, whether or not the content in the telegram is truthful.

Truthful? Do we really need a lecture on honesty from YOU!

Also note the huge difference in endorsements.

You see, my wayward child, Emperor Franco does not have as many endorsements as some of the other Pacific delegates simply because evil, spiteful invaders spread lies about him to make it easier to invade and taunt and torment the good nations of the Pacific.

Despite their devilish actions, benevolent Emperor Franco stands proud and strong, willing to protect the Pacific from foreign aggression until his dying breath.

Nur truly blesses Emperor Franco, assured that he will lead the Pacific to ever greater heights!

Bless you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Pacific Delegate

Obviously these 'lies' are truthful seeing as Francos has a mere 217 endorsements, when most other pacific delegates have 500+

What you're not taking into account, Myrth, is that newer players and isolationist nations will believe most any telegram they recieve, whether or not the content in the telegram is truthful.

What you're not taking to account is that 95% of Francos' endorsements come from inactive n00b nations who hand around for a few days, endorse the delegate and a few others, then leave.

What you're not taking to account is that 95% of Francos' endorsements come from inactive n00b nations who hand around for a few days, endorse the delegate and a few others, then leave.

And I suppose that isn't true in any of the other Pacific regions?

What you're not taking to account is that 95% of Francos' endorsements come from inactive n00b nations who hand around for a few days, endorse the delegate and a few others, then leave.
I guess you haven't really looked at his endorsers, or the Pacific off site forums, or payed any attention to anything in this situation. Francos has a solid support base, and it will continue to grow. Whatever do you think you're accomplishing here?

Oh well... it is cute. I especially like Kandarin's comment about immigration to his place :lol:

What you're not taking to account is that 95% of Francos' endorsements come from inactive n00b nations who hand around for a few days, endorse the delegate and a few others, then leave.
I guess you haven't really looked at his endorsers, or the Pacific off site forums, or payed any attention to anything in this situation. Francos has a solid support base, and it will continue to grow. Whatever do you think you're accomplishing here?

Oh well... it is cute. I especially like Kandarin's comment about immigration to his place :lol:

Indeed, Kandarin should get on his knees and thank Emperor Franco for increasing his own endorsement level, as well as his UN voting power.

Of course Kandarin is only recieving the dregs of NationStates, that are either invading the Pacific for nefarious reasons, or have offensive names and mottos. What people don't realize is that Emperor Franco wants to keep the region he loves so much clean of such NationStates scum. Can you blame him for that?

I think Twolslit's actions were fine after reading the NP forum but is the Mouth of El Sabur Nur really the savage lands? :?

Ok First off I havnt read all the posts here, but I would like to throw my support behing CG, she is good people, she doesnt seem too upity and I feel she could be a Good Delegate, and as a member of [Team Advantage] I would just like to say, we can always use new blood, and [TA] supports Crazy Girl.

=-=
"I was Raised by a Cup of Coffee."
-Homsar

Ok First off I havnt read all the posts here, but I would like to throw my support behing CG, she is good people, she doesnt seem too upity and I feel she could be a Good Delegate, and as a member of [Team Advantage] I would just like to say, we can always use new blood, and [TA] supports Crazy Girl.

=-=
"I was Raised by a Cup of Coffee."
-Homsar

I think Twolslit's actions were fine after reading the NP forum but is the Mouth of El Sabur Nur really the savage lands? :?

You know as long as his self proclaimed titles were, I thought all would have know the mouth is Savage.... yes it is.

Hasn't this Pacific deal been talk and dealt with many of times. I thought it would have died done by now. :roll:

Hasn't this Pacific deal been talk and dealt with many of times. I thought it would have died done by now. :roll:


That is what i thought but no it is still their [b]dream[/b,

That's the one thing we never will do, Convict, is give up. The New Pacific Order (Francos and co) have been in the Pacific for nearly five months, but we will never rest until they are gone and forgotten.

Crazy Girl has been a Pacific native for longer than Francos has been a nation, and has lasted through the ups and downs of this region where others have fallen away. She does an commendable job participating in, and lately, running the resistence against the NPO. She is a true and honest player, and I am proud to call her my friend.

The Pacific, it once had a heart and soul. But since the ascendance of Francos Spain, that heart, that soul, has been lost, or chained with the irons of fear and oppression.

Since then, the only thing I could liken it to, is the senseless slaughter of songbirds, for people who have done nothing more than attempt to make the game a better place, a one way trip to wander desolate and alone in the Rejected Realms...

No dictator, no invader or oppressor can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and dictators cannot stand. Though take a thousand days, the Pacific will be free.

The only question, is whether the nations of the Pacific, and those Pacific nations that have been scattered upon the winds, to the four corners of the NS world, will be able to enjoy that freedom now...or whether it will take another four hundred crushed spirits, and long days before freedom rings once again in the Pacific.

The only reason that Francos Spain can claim to enjoy popular support...is that all who might have spoken out, were ejected, all that might have challenged him, were silenced, all that might raise objection to his rule, have been suppressed ruthlessly. Before the rise of Francos Spain, the Pacific delegate enjoyed an average of around 400 endorsements, as of now, he holds less than 200, and of those, one is hard pressed to find nations that had endorsed him in the beginning. Through propaganda, brainwashing, and most of all, fear, new nations have been forced to support him, or find themselves demonized and rejected.

A Pacific without liberty is a body without a spirit. An empty and damaged shell that has soured the NS experience of countless individuals, who knows how many have left after such an experience. Let us the chance to bring back a Pacific welcoming to newcomers, and warming for those who wish to enjoy their experiences here.

Let the voice of the people, truly ring. Let there be light in the darkness! And thus, it will be shown, the true will of the people. Crazy Girl has been a great leader, the image of an ideal that all are called to emulate, kind, and helpful, one who is without a doubt a better advertisement for NS than the cruel and harsh oppression of Francos Spain.

I for one give her my endorsement...for when freedom lights up that darkened Pacific, I shall return there. To my home.

From the day I joined, to the day I was ejected by Francos, I resided there....and if that doesn't make me a native son, I don't know what does.

This is cute guys –snip- approval rating.

I don’t mind this idea, and the fact that FS is all DicTator about the issue only adds to the reason for this idea and thread. FS is a dictator. He it is mostly in his debate of free speech that he most deserve a challenge of power. Viva la Nina loco.

Even Nur doesn't understand the point of this thread. Francos Spain is not going anywhere. The day he stops being the Emperor of the Pacific is the day he stops playing NationStates.

I wish you invaders would just give up. Please, for Nurs sakes, stop harassing the good nations of the Pacific and our kind, benevolent Emperor. If we did not like the way things are in the Pacific, we would not be endorsing Emperor Franco. Or we would simply leave the Pacific.

I think I represent the vast majority of Pacific nations when I say, "Please leave us be."

Nur shines His blessed light on you all.

El Sabah Nur
Christ Incarnate
Former Delegate of the Pacific

First, I wholeheartedly throw my support behind a Crazy Girl delegacy in the Pacific. She is one the NS players who has contributed the most to the game, and one of the reasons I've stuck around as long as I have.

Second, I think everyone would be happier here just ignoring Savage.

What is this? Just another anti-Francos publicity stunt?

Don't you guys ever wonder why you haven't retaken the pacific?

1. You're too obsessed with the power you have elsewhere
2. You spend your time with absolutely ridiculous ideas like this.

Thanks for making our job in the NPO easier. Way to draw attention to absolutely EVERY nation that we need to keep an eye on in the future. You just made our government an official NationStates dossier!

Way to go!

I have a proposal: InfernoIce takes the delegate position of CGs place, and CG can take the Rejected Realms since she knows that place so well. Poskrebyshev could become the delegate of the Pacific Army (or Freedom Fighters, whatever they want to be called now). And, Francos retains the Pacific since he's worked hard at maintaining the stability of the region. Besides, I am confident that if the nations who reside in the Pacific were FORCED to have CG as their delegate, they would revolt fervently.

You can vote anyone you want in absentia, but the bottom line is that the NPO will remain in the Pacific. This is because the people want the stability that the NPO is able to provide.

Even Nur doesn't understand the point of this thread. Francos Spain is not going anywhere. The day he stops being the Emperor of the Pacific is the day he stops playing NationStates.

Oh please you do not need to give us more incentive to oust the guy.

Even Nur doesn't understand the point of this thread. Francos Spain is not going anywhere. The day he stops being the Emperor of the Pacific is the day he stops playing NationStates.

Oh please you do not need to give us more incentive to oust the guy.
Don't you mean, keep TRYING to oust him? You won't succeed, you know.

I'd like to throw my two cents in here. For the record, I'm a citizen of the NPO.

I can understand why folks who got kicked out are bitter. I can understand they want revenge. And that's fine.

But honestly, beyond bitterness and revenge, what other reason is there to want to remove the NPO? It's a legitimate government, FS rules the region legally, and he does what he needs to do to keep the region stable. He clearly provides what the laws are in his Civil Code. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it, even for noobs. On top of that, anyone with a grievance can petition the court. To date, few even attempt this, yet most are quick to badmouth the NPO.

Is it a dictatorship? Is there a lack of free speech? The answer is no. I for one have openly questioned Franco's involvement in the SP invasion fiasco with SLR on the NPO's offsite forum, and I asked for a statement from the NPO govt about this episode. Was I ejected for questioning? No. In fact, Franco replied with a humble and honest answer that is free for all of you to read here:

http://newpacificorder.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=region&num=1073544901&action=display&start=53

Are these the words of a dictator who allows no freedom of expression or honest political inquiry?

I'm just asking for some honesty here. I'm not asking anyone to like the NPO, just to recognize it as a legitmate, working, fair government. It's not perfect - nothing is - but it works, and I'm proud to be a part of it. I think it's especially commendable that the government encourages the citizens to get involved in enforcing the Civil Code - which includes removing vulgar and otherwise objectionable nation names, mottos, flags and animals - and as my nation name attests, they're not prudes. :D

Reading through the Pacific banlist, I see names such as: Bite Me Bitch, Child Molestia, Horny ass, Lazy Assholes, Sex Orgy Maniacs, You suck monkey nuts, Whoring, Wankville, Vaginaville, Satans Penis, Rainbow Bitch, Pimps n Sluts, and many others like them. Are these, perhaps, the nations whom Francos has "unjustly" ejected?

The bans list is limited to 200 names. Francos regularly ejects nations with names like that, and they replace the more controversial names on the ban list.

The saga continues...

I haven't got much to say except that I support CrazyGirl for delegate of the Pacific.

Oh, and:

Is there a lack of free speech? The answer is no.
...<snip>...
the Civil Code - which includes removing vulgar and otherwise objectionable nation names, mottos, flags and animals - and as my nation name attests, they're not prudes. :D

free speech/expression = free speech/expression, vulgar or otherwise.

The saga continues...

I haven't got much to say except that I support CrazyGirl for delegate of the Pacific.

Oh, and:

Is there a lack of free speech? The answer is no.
...<snip>...
the Civil Code - which includes removing vulgar and otherwise objectionable nation names, mottos, flags and animals - and as my nation name attests, they're not prudes. :D

free speech/expression = free speech/expression, vulgar or otherwise.

So Emperor Franco should allow nations with vulgar names to stay in the Pacific? Nations with names that make reference to child molestation and other sick, twisted things? Give me a break. :roll:

There should always be limitations to freedom of speech, but I think that goes without saying. Well, at least I THOUGHT it went without saying.....

So Emperor Franco should allow nations with vulgar names to stay in the Pacific? Nations with names that make reference to child molestation and other sick, twisted things? Give me a break. :roll:

There should always be limitations to freedom of speech, but I think that goes without saying. Well, at least I THOUGHT it went without saying.....

As soon as you impose limitations on speech it is no longer free (in the true sense of the word "free").

Francos Spain is a delegate not a game moderator.

Francos Spain is a delegate not a game moderator. Thank god :lol:

So Emperor Franco should allow nations with vulgar names to stay in the Pacific? Nations with names that make reference to child molestation and other sick, twisted things? Give me a break. :roll:

There should always be limitations to freedom of speech, but I think that goes without saying. Well, at least I THOUGHT it went without saying.....

As soon as you impose limitations on speech it is no longer free (in the true sense of the word "free").

Francos Spain is a delegate not a game moderator.

Very well then, America doesn't have true free speech, just as the Pacific and the rest of this site doesn't.

What you're suggesting, that the Pacific should have complete and total free speech, is absurd.

Just because Emperor Franco isn't a game moderator doesn't mean he shouldn't keep his region clean of perversion and filth.

What you're suggesting, that the Pacific should have complete and total free speech, is absurd.


I am not talking about "should" and "should not". I am talking about "is" and "is not".


Just because Emperor Franco isn't a game moderator doesn't mean he shouldn't keep his region clean of perversion and filth.

What you're suggesting, that the Pacific belongs to Francos Spain, is absurd.

What you're suggesting, that the Pacific should have complete and total free speech, is absurd.


I am not talking about "should" and "should not". I am talking about "is" and "is not".


Just because Emperor Franco isn't a game moderator doesn't mean he shouldn't keep his region clean of perversion and filth.

What you're suggesting, that the Pacific belongs to Francos Spain, is absurd.

Ah, many apologies then. I meant to say, "Just because Emperor Franco isn't a game moderator doesn't mean he shouldn't keep THE PACIFIC clean of perversion and filth. Simply a matter of wording. His nation resides in the Pacific, so it's his region just as much as the next nation.

Ah, many apologies then. I meant to say, "Just because Emperor Franco isn't a game moderator doesn't mean he shouldn't keep THE PACIFIC clean of perversion and filth. Simply a matter of wording. His nation resides in the Pacific, so it's his region just as much as the next nation.
Thanks for clarifying.

I respect your opinion and your choice to support the current delegate of the Pacific.

I, however, disagree with many of the policies of the NPO government which is why I support a change of delegacy.

I believe CrazyGirl is capable of meeting and exceeding the demands of the position, and I support her as an alternative to the existing delegacy in the Pacific.

Devoid.

[19:39] <MaxBarry> But I think the situation with Francos Spain in the Pacific is right up there
[19:40] <MaxBarry> You have this ruthless dictator presiding over a region and telling everyone that he's democratic and caring...
tyrant.

Oh, and just out of interest, Francos uses AOL! Everyone point and laugh!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[19:39] <MaxBarry> But I think the situation with Francos Spain in the Pacific is right up there
[19:40] <MaxBarry> You have this ruthless dictator presiding over a region and telling everyone that he's democratic and caring...
tyrant.

Oh, and just out of interest, Francos uses AOL! Everyone point and laugh!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is hilarious. I don't know if it is true, and I don't really care either, but it is damn funny!
And for everyone's information, especially those of you who speak without knowing the facts, Francos and his regime have banned many nations without giving reason or due process. They speak of ways to make your claim to some high council, then they ban you from the offsite forum. It is nothing more than a bunch of political run-around, and double-talking. If you want to know why people are truly angry with Francos, just ask, we will be more than willing to explain the full truth behind this.

[quote=Mouth of El Sabah Nur]
So Emperor Franco should allow nations with vulgar names to stay in the Pacific? Nations with names that make reference to child molestation and other sick, twisted things? Give me a break. :roll:

There should always be limitations to freedom of speech, but I think that goes without saying. Well, at least I THOUGHT it went without saying.....

As soon as you impose limitations on speech it is no longer free (in the true sense of the word "free").

Francos Spain is a delegate not a game moderator.

Oh wayward Savage, as long as we are importing real life into the mix, perhaps you would care to provide some examples of speech outlawed in the United States which is analogous to speech outlawed by Franco. I'm especially interested if you can find me examples of speech criticising public figures, or members of the government, which is forbidden in the U.S. (That is of course unless Franco has changed the civil code of "justice")

I have a question.

CG what will be your position regarding members of the NPO if you ascend to the delegacy?
The only reason they keep you and co. out is because they know you will attempt to oust them.
Will you use simialar tactics to ensure the NPO do not come to power again?
What of another nation, not connected with NPO, would they be allowed to campaighn for the delegacy?

Oh, please!

Let's not sit here and pretend that any region run by the insurgents that want to oust the NPO would tolerate slander/libel in chats or on message boards.

If you people actually did that, then you could sit on your high horse and lecture us about Free Speech. I for one have no problem hunting down nations that promote rape, using drugs on women to have sexual relations with them, or child molestation.

I prefer decency over immorality any day of the week.

Reading through the Pacific banlist, I see names such as: Bite Me Bitch, Child Molestia, Horny ass, Lazy Assholes, Sex Orgy Maniacs, You suck monkey nuts, Whoring, Wankville, Vaginaville, Satans Penis, Rainbow Bitch, Pimps n Sluts, and many others like them. Are these, perhaps, the nations whom Francos has "unjustly" ejected?

Creating nations with offensive national names is a violation of NationStates rules. Players are asked to report such nations to the Getting Help page.

iMassModbomb.

I now return you to your previously-scheduled discussion.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

There are some sick people out there...but why should we oust Franco anyway basically? He seems to control the Pacific well and eject bad people from his region, he lets free speech as far as no spammings so what do you people out there hate him so much?

There are some sick people out there...but why should we oust Franco anyway basically? He seems to control the Pacific well and eject bad people from his region, he lets free speech as far as no spammings so what do you people out there hate him so much?

Emperor Mattuis, they hate him because they are jealous warmongers, hellbent on destroying the peace and prosperity that Emperor Franco has brought to the Pacific.

I admire you, Emperor Mattuis. It's refreshing to see someone rise above the lies and evil propaganda that these invaders perpetrate.

If you're ever searching for a new home on NationStates, the Pacific would be proud to have you as one of its citizens.

There are some sick people out there...but why should we oust Franco anyway basically? He seems to control the Pacific well and eject bad people from his region, he lets free speech as far as no spammings so what do you people out there hate him so much?

It's not that people hate him. It is just that Francos and his regime are running a dictatorship, and have decided that what they say goes in The Pacific. I, like others, were kicked out of the region without explanation. When I posed the question on their boards, I got booted out of there also. They have decided to impose their own set of rules on the people of the Pacific. Some believe it is good, others differ, and then there are a large number of people who just don't care. I didn't care either, until I got kicked out. Now I care. Now I'm against Francos and all of his Regime. He does not let free speech...he let's his version of free speech. I believe that is wrong, and so I am against him, and his regime.

I would just like to add that I welcome this idea and call for CG to be made Delegate of her home region. It is long over due that liberty and justice be restored in the region and Franco and his slaves get what they deserve.

Those of us who've been involved in the various and sadly (until now) unsuccessfull attempts at liberating it from Francos clutch know only one truth; we will never stop until it is free. I count myself amongst that number and in that we are all brothers and sisters fighting for a free and democratic Pacific.

"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
-Winston Churchill

All of this discussion is really interesting. All of the people opposed to the NPO can't get their story straight. The "We hate him because he's a dictator" is getting quite stale. Most delegates in this game are probably best defined as a dictator. You cannot have a democratic government in any of the feeder regions without them turning into some form of chaos. Too many new nations are created daily and each of them have their own ideas as to what they can do. That is why you need order there, and I think the Pacific has been quite orderly for many months now.

Personally, I believe most of you are upset only because you picked a fight and lost. This is not the first time the insurgents have taken a vote to see who should be the delegate of the Pacific in-absentia. I seem to recall this once discussed in an off-site forum. Well, the NPO has entered its sixth month and all is well. I guess you can keep voting for your pretender delegate because that is your right. I'll just continue to serve the government that I am sworn to defend; the just government known as the New Pacific Order.

You lie, our story is one and the same; we want Franco gone.

Most delegates in this game are probably best defined as a dictator. You cannot have a democratic government in any of the feeder regions without them turning into some form of chaos. Too many new nations are created daily and each of them have their own ideas as to what they can do. That is why you need order there, and I think the Pacific has been quite orderly for many months now.


I'm sorry you have adopted such a pessimistic view Thorin.

Many of us believe that democracy is possible (within the bounds of this game) to decide the delegacy of feeder regions and still maintain order.

Meanwhile, while you've been doing that, my UN nation has gone to join the NPO.

Francos owes me a favour from way back. Time to collect.

All of this discussion is really interesting. All of the people opposed to the NPO can't get their story straight. The "We hate him because he's a dictator" is getting quite stale. Most delegates in this game are probably best defined as a dictator. You cannot have a democratic government in any of the feeder regions without them turning into some form of chaos. Too many new nations are created daily and each of them have their own ideas as to what they can do. That is why you need order there, and I think the Pacific has been quite orderly for many months now.

Personally, I believe most of you are upset only because you picked a fight and lost. This is not the first time the insurgents have taken a vote to see who should be the delegate of the Pacific in-absentia. I seem to recall this once discussed in an off-site forum. Well, the NPO has entered its sixth month and all is well. I guess you can keep voting for your pretender delegate because that is your right. I'll just continue to serve the government that I am sworn to defend; the just government known as the New Pacific Order.



That is true even for the most demorcratic feeder region, i mean in the North Twoslit ejected some who were threatening his delegacy by endorsement swapping which was fine but it shows you can't have an anarchy it is just to big.

You look at a feeder region's message board and it won't take you long for someone to say,


"I want to be the new delegate of The South-West Pacific. I will lead it into a new age of demorcratic leadership.
Thankyou

Demorcraticam"

And they try to do it by endorsement swapping so they get ejected, Francos merely exercises a greater hold on his region then other delegates, and thankyou El Sabuh Nur i'll think about it. :wink:

All of this discussion is really interesting. All of the people opposed to the NPO can't get their story straight. The "We hate him because he's a dictator" is getting quite stale. Most delegates in this game are probably best defined as a dictator. You cannot have a democratic government in any of the feeder regions without them turning into some form of chaos. Too many new nations are created daily and each of them have their own ideas as to what they can do. That is why you need order there, and I think the Pacific has been quite orderly for many months now.

Personally, I believe most of you are upset only because you picked a fight and lost. This is not the first time the insurgents have taken a vote to see who should be the delegate of the Pacific in-absentia. I seem to recall this once discussed in an off-site forum. Well, the NPO has entered its sixth month and all is well. I guess you can keep voting for your pretender delegate because that is your right. I'll just continue to serve the government that I am sworn to defend; the just government known as the New Pacific Order.



That is true even for the most demorcratic feeder region, i mean in the North Twoslit ejected some who were threatening his delegacy by endorsement swapping which was fine but it shows you can't have an anarchy it is just to big.

You look at a feeder region's message board and it won't take you long for someone to say,


"I want to be the new delegate of The South-West Pacific. I will lead it into a new age of demorcratic leadership.
Thankyou

Demorcraticam"

And they try to do it by endorsement swapping so they get ejected, Francos merely exercises a greater hold on his region then other delegates, and thankyou El Sabuh Nur i'll think about it. :wink:

Emperor Matthuis, some people just can't see their own hypocrisy, but it seems many people are finally waking up and seeing the light and truth of the New Pacific Order.

It seems so yes :)

That the supporters of CG have yet to generate enough interest to make it an even interesting competition? :)

That the supporters of CG have yet to generate enough interest to make it an even interesting competition? :)


It would seem so :cry:

There are some sick people out there...but why should we oust Franco anyway basically? He seems to control the Pacific well and eject bad people from his region, he lets free speech as far as no spammings so what do you people out there hate him so much?

Emperor Mattuis, they hate him because they are jealous warmongers, hellbent on destroying the peace and prosperity that Emperor Franco has brought to the Pacific.

I admire you, Emperor Mattuis. It's refreshing to see someone rise above the lies and evil propaganda that these invaders perpetrate.

If you're ever searching for a new home on NationStates, the Pacific would be proud to have you as one of its citizens.


It's far more complicated then this. In short, he is a dictator who didn't play nice-- meaning, didn't RP in the region and make friends with everyone before securing control of the region.

On the other side, he has since secured the region (I mean, how was he able to get control of the region? grave misjudgements in the regions past stability). Also, he made the game more interesting for a while byt swating down invasion attemtps, which made players angry-- which was interesting considering many of these people attempting to invade the region had a long history of playa-hating on invaders.

This is just a gleam. In fact, both sides have fair persepctives on this issue.

The in-absentia election of CrazyGirl is taking place here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118395

8)

Mmm... Because none saw this, or ignored it. I feel I should pick it up nevertheless.
I hope That Mouth of El Sabah Nur don't get upset that I just use a piece of his input :D




Emperor Franco has blessed the Pacific with his righteous reign. Under his benevolent rule, the Pacific has become the most politically free region in all of NationStates.

Yes, that is correct. The most political free region in the NS.. voice another opinion than the NPO's, get ejected. Want another delegate than Francos Spain or his senators?? Get ejected. More Political free than that can it not be.

My thoughts on Francos Spain: The sooner he goes, the better. The Comparison between Twoslit booting a pair of silent, unknown endorsement-swappers after weeks of discussion and the NPO's daily bootings of everyone who doesn't seem to like him too much don't make any sense. Twoslit gave Nootroughsis and Domocolees plenty of time to declare themselves, their intentions, and their political motives for attaining the delegacy. They didn't. Francos, on the other hand, ejects people for posting anything anti-NPO on the regional boards.

And as for the "inappropriate names", pro-NPO nations talk about him ejecting nations whos names and mottoes encourage Rape and child-sex, yet many of the nations they cite simply imply sex in general. Not all sex is wrong....sex is a NATURAL THING, people. If he wants to report something like "the republic of raping sluts" to the Mods, that's cool, but not all sexual behavior is deviant behavior. Why treat the normal as the nasty?

sorry, that $.02 turned into about a buck fifty. whoops!

Oops, think I broke something..

Civil Code for Uniform Justice and Order in the Pacific:

The offenses listed below are punishable by banishment to the realms outlying the vast region of the Pacific:

--Civil Disobediance
1001: A declaration of dislike for the Delegate of the Pacific or his policies with intent to subvert the Government.

1002: Insulting or spreading calumny about a member of the Government in public or in telegram.

1003: Frequent posts of an inappropriate subject.

1004: Excessively poor grammar.

1005: Harassment of a fellow Pacifican either in public or by telegram.

1006: Giving your endorsement to a nation with whom you are not familiar personally. (Obviously, all Pacific nations are familiar with the nations that govern them)

1007: Unauthorized use of another nation's flag or other details as your own.

1008: Objectionable nation name, flag, or motto.

--Political Accountability
2001: Expression of dislike for the policies of the Pacific Government or those Governments allied with or declared friendly by the Pacific Government.

2002: Expression of views considered counter to those of the Pacific Government.

2003: I told you before, I don't like Spam!

2004: Resigning from the UN without obtaining authorization from the proper Government ministry.

2005: Failure to become aligned with the Delegate.

--Treason
0001: Seeking more than 15 endorsements.

0002: Being a puppet of a banned nation.

0003: Assisting those seeking more than 15 endorsements.

0004: Belonging to a subversive organization.


But since I'm already on the pacific banlist (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=The_Pacific), what will happen to punish me for this act? :D

Crazy Girl has my endorsement

Crazy Girl has my endorsement

Crazy Girl has my endorsement


Why d'you bump this thread?