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One of the arguments was this forum was a place to discuss Invasions, without always having to react to weird situations. Really, to disucss theory, technique, or other color of invading.


So, just to see, are there any grey areas we aren't clear about? It seems to me this is an open place we can discuss such issues, without walking on Mod toes.


I know some were unclear on Invaders being Neutrals at times. Not sure if this issue was cleared up or not, but it seems that this would be the forum to discuss theory on any invading rulings that seemed unclear.


Just asking if there Grey areas,

~Ack

Grey area

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I know one. If I'm the invader delegate and I set up a password, I know I have to give it to every native. But say the next time I set up a password and it is the very same password as before, and I even post that on the region civil hq, do I still have to hand out the password again? Most of the time the natives haven't checked in since before I gave them the last password anyways.

Well while we are discussing it, I think it should be pointed out, Defenders are Invaders as well, they jsut couldnt get their stuff together to pull of a real invasion, I know I have seen a lot of them and their early attempts.

That and well, the defenders usually do more harm to a region once they have liberated it, than the invaders ever could have done.

Well while we are discussing it, I think it should be pointed out, Defenders are Invaders as well, they jsut couldnt get their stuff together to pull of a real invasion, I know I have seen a lot of them and their early attempts.

That and well, the defenders usually do more harm to a region once they have liberated it, than the invaders ever could have done.

In what way, Loop? I'd just like to point out that the definition of "defender" draws a line at a certain point, which is the one where said defenders either restore delegacy to a native, or claim it during just one update, boot the invaders and then leave the region. IMHO this doesn't really disrupt a region -- it's just one update -- whereas invaders stay in regions for longer periods of time, stirring up trouble in every way possible.

Well while we are discussing it, I think it should be pointed out, Defenders are Invaders as well, they jsut couldnt get their stuff together to pull of a real invasion, I know I have seen a lot of them and their early attempts.

That and well, the defenders usually do more harm to a region once they have liberated it, than the invaders ever could have done.

In what way, Loop? I'd just like to point out that the definition of "defender" draws a line at a certain point, which is the one where said defenders either restore delegacy to a native, or claim it during just one update, boot the invaders and then leave the region. IMHO this doesn't really disrupt a region -- it's just one update -- whereas invaders stay in regions for longer periods of time, stirring up trouble in every way possible.
Incorrect. The Atlantic Alliance has for some time now perfected the art of just changing the world factbook entry and then leaving. Great for regions with founders, yet can get your point accross just as surely as a 3 week occupation.

But that's just a raid, not an invasion. At least in my book. I don't consider that as invading. That's when the crashers stay in the region afterwards, against the natives' will.

Common usage is the important thing here.

Invaders are geerally those who precipitate the c onflict, regardless of their intended duration of stay, defenders are the ones who try to spoil their plans. Or at least thats to the best of my knowledge, how its comonly taken.

If Im wrong I'll edit, I wouldnt want to confuse people!

That and well, the defenders usually do more harm to a region once they have liberated it, than the invaders ever could have done.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109590

Hmm, good thread reference. :)

Alot of threads are out there to discuss the legal basis (or lack there of) for invasions. However, there are very few threads that actually discuss invasion/counter-invasion tactics.

Obviously the most popular method is the blitzkreig (my German spelling is lacking...) tactic of moving into a region moments before an update. It does have some problems of course (and they must be pretty bad for me to notice them).
-Easily defended against (assuming someone with regional control is online)
-Clear cut line between natives and invaders

Not being an active invader/counter-invader myself (though I have dabbled in each) I don't have any better strategies or improvements upon this one.

Does anyone have an invasion strategy or improvement they wouldn't mind posting?

-The Bigger Representative
X.isBigger(0) || X.isSame(0)

Now, now, there's no need for an invasion. Can't we all be nice?

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Alot of threads are out there to discuss the legal basis (or lack there of) for invasions. However, there are very few threads that actually discuss invasion/counter-invasion tactics.

Obviously the most popular method is the blitzkreig (my German spelling is lacking...) tactic of moving into a region moments before an update. It does have some problems of course (and they must be pretty bad for me to notice them).
-Easily defended against (assuming someone with regional control is online)
-Clear cut line between natives and invaders

Not being an active invader/counter-invader myself (though I have dabbled in each) I don't have any better strategies or improvements upon this one.

Does anyone have an invasion strategy or improvement they wouldn't mind posting?

-The Bigger Representative
X.isBigger(0) || X.isSame(0)Blizkreig is simple and effective. But it usually fails, through bad organisation and not having enough time to adjust when you run out of members. I know a number of other strategies, some of them trade secrets.

Now, now, there's no need for an invasion. Can't we all be nice?

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
Invasion's fun.

So far I haven't done it myself, but if I can get new members in my region willing, then I'm getting involved.

I'd be happy to help you out, Qaal.

Me too? :wink:

I'd be happy to help you out, Qaal.
I need to get more UN members in my region first (I want to have at least four or five mobile endorsements), then I'll certainly get in touch with you, PH, and Ack.

That and well, the defenders usually do more harm to a region once they have liberated it, than the invaders ever could have done.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109590It is often the case that though the counter-crasher meant well the results were somewhat less benevolent than intended. Take for instance Monte Carlo, after the counter-crashers left the region was put into the hands of Corinthe. Corinthe then ejected the only endorsement competition, has barred practically any movement into the region, and so Monte Carlo has shrunk from 33 nations to 11 some of which are her puppets. It's sad really.

I know one. If I'm the invader delegate and I set up a password, I know I have to give it to every native. But say the next time I set up a password and it is the very same password as before, and I even post that on the region civil hq, do I still have to hand out the password again? Most of the time the natives haven't checked in since before I gave them the last password anyways.

I would send it again. Remember that the House always wins, meaning that you have a lot of things going against you as invade. Always avoid the look of impropriety. A pain, but will keep you from being deleted.


Common usage is the important thing here.

Invaders are geerally those who precipitate the c onflict, regardless of their intended duration of stay, defenders are the ones who try to spoil their plans. Or at least thats to the best of my knowledge, how its comonly taken.


This is the idea. While I won’t talk quite as extreme as Loop about it, I will say I have seen several regions where defenders went against the natives wishes, were rude to natives, or did other things that have earned part of the bad name that invaders somewhat deserve.


Alot of threads are out there to discuss the legal basis (or lack there of) for invasions. However, there are very few threads that actually discuss invasion/counter-invasion tactics.

Obviously the most popular method is the blitzkreig (my German spelling is lacking...) tactic of moving into a region moments before an update. It does have some problems of course (and they must be pretty bad for me to notice them).
-Easily defended against (assuming someone with regional control is online)
-Clear cut line between natives and invaders

Not being an active invader/counter-invader myself (though I have dabbled in each) I don't have any better strategies or improvements upon this one.

Does anyone have an invasion strategy or improvement they wouldn't mind posting?

-The Bigger Representative
X.isBigger(0) || X.isSame(0)


Blitzkrieg, as you put it, is the main way. You missed one of the biggest thing against rushing in before update time, while I won’t post any specific update time it is LATE, LATE, LATE. Well, at least for nations in the US, it can be difficult to find a group willing to stay up late enough to be successful.

As to other tactics, it is also possible to move in slowly with Non-UN nations, then turn them on when all in.

Monte Carlo has shrunk from 33 nations to 11 some of which are her puppets. It's sad really.

Spare us the anti-Corinthe propaganda, ok? As I pointed out to you before, the drop from 33+ to ~11 is due to Corinthe moving her puppets out. Yes, she had 20+ puppets in there. AFAIK, no native has left to 'flee' from Corinthe.

Ballotonia

Zu Darkness did.

Invasion's fun.

So far I haven't done it myself, but if I can get new members in my region willing, then I'm getting involved.

I'll be watching you... :D
But wouldn't you much rather become an Anti?

But wouldn't you much rather become an Anti?
I already did one anti.

I want to do both sporadically and unpredictably, so that people have no idea what to expect. :twisted:

Like most crashers in NS, except open about it. :P