NationStates Jolt Archive

The unOfficial Region Hawking Thread

What is region hawking?

Region Hawking is a practice that is done for basically the same purpose as region crashing, with the permenance of region griefing (and yet is legal), and requires only one person to do.

Like certain forms of griefing it is annexation, except that rather than gathering a bunch of friends, crashing a region, illegally booting everybody, and recreating it, you patiently wait until it dies, and then recreate it.

How is region hawking done?

There are three ways to accomplish region-hawking that I know of.


The hardest way, and the most risky is to simply look at the region, view the government activity, and check back every so often.

I have only done this with a two regions, both due to the fact that the region was passworded, and fue to forgetfulness lost both. I should have used the second method that I list below

The second, still rather risky and hard, but logical for passworded regions, is to add all of the regions that you are watching to your dossier.

This is a problem, if you can not maintain the habit of checking your dossier daily, but should still work. I acquired the region "Rhode Island" in this fashion.

This is also a good idea if you feel that moving your puppets into the region would attract more settlers.

The final method that I use is to put a puppet (or puppets) into the region and watch it.

This is the most effective method, I find, if you do it early, and are patient, as it allows you to recreate it on your own timeline (within reason) when it is empty.

I gained Massachusetts and the Cult of Philandrea(who I grew bored of) in this way.


Who uses region hawking?

Various people use it for various purposes. I know that I am not the only one to play at it, as a tad bit of forgetfulness cost me Afghanistan and Iraq. Naleth and Goober also use it, asnd some regions use a varient of it to refound themselves after their founder dies, but containing a few inactive nations.


What does region hawking require?

Patience.


Anybody else here play at region hawking?

Any comments?

Any questions?

Happy Holidays,
Qaaolchoura

Any questions?

Just one - why bother? I mean, I can understand region crashing, because then you get a region complete with nations, but from what you've just said the region has to be empty for hawking to work. So, given that you can create any region you want, why do this? Or is it just the thrill of managing to do it?

SC

It is the sadism of watching someone painstakingly empty their Founderless region by mutual consent, following all of the anti-griefing rules to the letter, pouncing with a puppet just ahead of the prospective native Founder, and once their shock and despair becomes apparent, declaring that they have been pwned. :evil:

Any questions?

Just one - why bother? I mean, I can understand region crashing, because then you get a region complete with nations, but from what you've just said the region has to be empty for hawking to work. So, given that you can create any region you want, why do this? Or is it just the thrill of managing to do it?

SC
Various reasons.

Sentimental, You want an IRL name (they tend to attract nations in their own), you wish to refound your region (done as a regipon), and yes, the thrill of the hunt.

It is the sadism of watching someone painstakingly empty their Founderless region by mutual consent, following all of the anti-griefing rules to the letter, pouncing with a puppet just ahead of the prospective native Founder, and once their shock and despair becomes apparent, declaring that they have been pwned. :evil:
No, that is not the type of region hawking that I do.

As I explained, these are abandoned regions. They were either unpassworded, or in the case of Iraq and Afghanistan (which I lost out on) had been run by some bigoted jerk and had only the founder in a passworded regioned when the died.

You should know me, Naleth, and Goober better than that.

Now I understand how Ackbar feels.

In both cases we play it perfectly legally and morally (albeit, at different games), and we oppose people who play it illegally and amorally.

And yet people still lump us together with the cheats!!! :x :evil: :tantrum:

Sentimental, You want an IRL name (they tend to attract nations in their own), you wish to refound your region (done as a regipon), and yes, the thrill of the hunt.

That makes sense - I'd considered doing this to re-found my other region, as the founding nation doesn't really 'fit' there any more. I'm more into re-creating sci-fi/fantasy worlds, so the IRL name thing doesn't really bother me :)

SC

OK, it is just that that sort of thing is kind of painful to see, you know, especially when it cuts kind of close.

OK, it is just that that sort of thing is kind of painful to see, you know, especially when it cuts kind of close.
No, these regions have no natives except for the ones who die by the time that I find them. In two of my three successfully captured regions, my nations were the only ones there besides one holdout for months.

At any rate, I intend to clarify in a long rant that I am now writing.

Sentimental, You want an IRL name (they tend to attract nations in their own), you wish to refound your region (done as a regipon), and yes, the thrill of the hunt.

That makes sense - I'd considered doing this to re-found my other region, as the founding nation doesn't really 'fit' there any more. I'm more into re-creating sci-fi/fantasy worlds, so the IRL name thing doesn't really bother me :)

SC
Actually almost all of my IRL regions were founded far from an update, when I happened to notice that such regions did not exist.

As no flocks of nations moved in immediately afterwards, I assume that I did not accidently take over somebody's region in those cases. THe one case where I did have a flock of people move in, it was well over a month after I created it.

Of course, this is not region hawking that I am talking about right now, this is just me creating IRL named regions.

Region Hawking? Weeeeeiiiird.

Well, it's been a time since a new thing went in my guide...

*disappears*

Interesting.

:lol:

The only time I've done it so far was with the region "Dune" ... *has 3 loyal minions so far, no advertising involed*

The only time I've done it so far was with the region "Dune" ... *has 3 loyal minions so far, no advertising involed*
As I mentioned, I currently only control two regions that I took over by region-hawking.

I control:

Maryland
Florida
South Dakota
Connecticut
Colorado
Indiana
Arizona
Tennessee
Mississippi

I think it'll be a while before you'll be able to add Texas to your holding of US States :D

As far as 'region hawking' is concerned... been there, done that. Although I never came up with a name for it. The activity now has been named, thank you.

Ballotonia

I think it'll be a while before you'll be able to add Texas to your holding of US States :D

As far as 'region hawking' is concerned... been there, done that. Although I never came up with a name for it. The activity now has been named, thank you.

Ballotonia

Nor California, Maine, and New Hampshire.

I control:

Maryland
Florida
South Dakota
Connecticut
Colorado
Indiana
Arizona
Tennessee
MississippiWe should recreate the civil war!

I control:

Maryland
Florida
South Dakota
Connecticut
Colorado
Indiana
Arizona
Tennessee
Mississippi
D--n. I was hawking Arizona too. :evil:

Oh well. . .

Only have

Massachusetts
Rhode Island

Goobergunchia also used to have Delaware.

Of course I have plenty of country named-regions to make up for it.

I control:

Maryland
Florida
South Dakota
Connecticut
Colorado
Indiana
Arizona
Tennessee
Mississippi
D--n. I was hawking Arizona too. :evil:

Oh well. . .

Only have

Massachusetts
Rhode Island

Goobergunchia also used to have Delaware.

And Alabama. I moved my AL puppet into MTNG for a while, then when I was going to restart AL, it turned out to be an active 34-member region. :evil:

Wait, I just noticed Conneticut on there too. Double D--n!

Two coveted regions which I will never get.

Hey, whos hawking Colorado?

Colorado contains 2 nations

3 hours ago: The Republic of CK 8 arrived from Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


:lol:

Hey, whos hawking Colorado?

Colorado contains 2 nations

3 hours ago: The Republic of CK 8 arrived from Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


:lol:
Isn't nessasarily hawking. Just as you don't have to have a puppet in there to be hawking. I didn't have any puppets in AZ yet, since I could tell that the nations were gonna be there a while.

Hey, whos hawking Colorado?

Colorado contains 2 nations

3 hours ago: The Republic of CK 8 arrived from Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


:lol:
Isn't nessasarily hawking. Just as you don't have to have a puppet in there to be hawking. I didn't have any puppets in AZ yet, since I could tell that the nations were gonna be there a while.

Hey, whos hawking Colorado?

Colorado contains 2 nations

3 hours ago: The Republic of CK 8 arrived from Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


:lol:
Isn't nessasarily hawking. Just as you don't have to have a puppet in there to be hawking. I didn't have any puppets in AZ yet, since I could tell that the nations were gonna be there a while.CK8 is you though?

He's not hawking it any more.

Or at least he won't be when I log in as Patio Land and eject him.

EDIT: Qaa, if that's you, I won't eject you. Standing by.

He's not hawking it any more.

Or at least he won't be when I log in as Patio Land and eject him.

EDIT: Qaa, if that's you, I won't eject you. Standing by.
No, it is not me.
I do have a bunch of puppets in Conneticut though.

I think that that might be Wind_waves_Water/Playa Chk though.

He's not hawking it any more.

Or at least he won't be when I log in as Patio Land and eject him.

EDIT: Qaa, if that's you, I won't eject you. Standing by.
No, it is not me.
I have a buch of puppets in Conneticut.

I think that that might be Wind_waves_Water/Playa Chk though.

<---- decides against ejection

Just FYI: This region is *not* going to become vacant any time soon.

<---- decides against ejection

You can telegram her or ask on the MTGN board, althouh if it is Playa Chk, you might get drawn into discussions on the mesage board.

haha, i know who CK 8 (or any number) is, it's a friend of mine, and i also know what CK stands for :P

haha, i know who CK 8 (or any number) is, it's a friend of mine, and i also know what CK stands for :P
:idea:

Ahh, Crazy Kitty.

I have just successfully hawked the region "East Pacific". Despite all my attempts to gather intel about the region, I could not discover any reason for its demise- such as a refounding. The region was simply password protected, and had its delegate as well as every other nation die of inactivity.

Anyone is welcome to move there, I don't know what I'll be doing with it. I just saw the chance to grab a feeder imitation, and jumped at it.

Dammit Qaaolchoura, now you've got me into hawking 10 regions... ::sigh::
A couple of them are looking hopeful though.

SC

PS: How do you pronounce 'Qaaolchoura'? :)

Dammit Qaaolchoura, now you've got me into hawking 10 regions... ::sigh::
A couple of them are looking hopeful though.

SC

PS: How do you pronounce 'Qaaolchoura'? :)
It's not pronounciable in English.

I have a friend who pronunces it "Call-shore-a", which although a much better pronunciation than "Kwal-chore-a", as some people apparently pronunce it (*hint* it is the "u" that makes it a "kw" sound peoplez, so stop prononucing it that way, and stop inserting a "u" between the Q and the a :x ) still comes nowhere close.

"Ca-awlsh-chorr-ha", comes closest to my being able to transcribe it in English.

You'd better not be hawking the one that I am right now. If you are. . . :evil:

Mine, Jordan is all Mine! :D

MWAAAHAAHAAHAAAAAA!!!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I've only been in the game a few weeks, and it has been striking me odd that it could have 100,000+ nations in 12,000+ regions and still seem to have only a few dozen really trying to make the UN work, etc. I figured it was lots of RPers who didn't give a toss about gameplay.

Now I get it -- two thirds of the regions are controlled by a few dozen players via puppets. ( Or some ridiculous ratio.)

Since the player can only have one UN nation, it makes a bunch of "dead to the UN" regions, doesn't it?

But I don't get the fun of that at all. It's just a list of pointless region names then, isn't it? What do you DO with them?

Since the player can only have one UN nation, it makes a bunch of "dead to the UN" regions, doesn't it?
Not for certain.
One of my puppet regions. (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=anatolia)
Thracia's puppet region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=asia%20minor)

Sorry my mind is just on Anatolia today, so these were the puppet regions which came to mind.

But I don't get the fun of that at all. It's just a list of pointless region names then, isn't it? What do you DO with them?
You may not, it is a feeling of power which can not truely be decribed, except as "good". :D That, and oftentimes, as diplayed above, people actually move to these regions.

yep, that's true, sometimes people come in on their own, or just follow one of my puppets, when i move them to one of my regions..

i have 20 regions now, most of them filled with my puppets, but some got their own little population ;)

also, i'm waiting for another region at the moment, but i'll have to wait for over 20 days still to get it..

PS: How do you pronounce 'Qaaolchoura'? :)
It's not pronounciable in English.
That's a bit of a bugger, isn't it?

"Ca-awlsh-chorr-ha", comes closest to my being able to transcribe it in English.
Hmm... Russian has a 'shch' sound, although it's quite distinct. I always thought of the ch still being a ch but tending slightly towards sh.

You'd better not be hawking the one that I am right now. If you are. . . :evil:
I doubt it - none of the ones I'm hawking are 'real world' regions. Which possibly makes the whole enterprise pointless, but you never know :)

SC

Now I get it -- two thirds of the regions are controlled by a few dozen players via puppets. ( Or some ridiculous ratio.)
Dunno... I think it varies a lot. I know a number of people who only have the one nation, sitting in someone else's region. I've got at total of 15 nations, (about 12 of which are regularly played; 4 are in other people's regions) and 5 regions, 2 of which have other people in as well.

Since the player can only have one UN nation, it makes a bunch of "dead to the UN" regions, doesn't it?
Yes, but not everyone is interested in the UN.

But I don't get the fun of that at all. It's just a list of pointless region names then, isn't it? What do you DO with them?
All the regions I've created have been for a reason. A couple (like Pern) I hoped people might find and RP in. As to the hawked regions - I don't know, I suspect the fun is in the chase :)

SC

I've created a new region devoted to region hawking. I invite you all to drop by between missions into the various backwaters of NS.

Region: The Phoenix Group (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/58615/page=display_region/region=the_phoenix_group)

Or you could sell me a nation with +500 million people in return for not hawking your backwater.

I've created a new region devoted to region hawking. I invite you all to drop by between missions into the various backwaters of NS.

Region: The Phoenix Group (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/58615/page=display_region/region=the_phoenix_group)

Or you could sell me a nation with +500 million people in return for not hawking your backwater.
I have a nearly puppet withabout 900 million that I was going to offer you, simply to get rid of, until I realized that you were January 2004. :P

But seriously, why would I want yo to not hawk my regions? It gets me an inhabitant which is not mine. :twisted:

Obviously I've never hawked a region. (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Pacific%20Army)

Obviously I've never hawked a region. (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Pacific%20Army)
If this was part of The Free Pacific Army, then no, I would not say that it was hawking, more of region nabbing or region scaveging. If you founded it when it never existed, again not hawking. If it was a parody that died out, then yes, 'twas hawking.

Nabbing then. :twisted:

Yeah, and that's not AT ALL funny. :twisted: :lol:

*snickers quietly and nods to Rynjrrn*

Qaaolchoura: I wasn't addressing you specifically. And if you think this is my first nation you're wrong. I just made this one for my latest region. :roll:


All: If anyone will make me a pretty TPG ad for the yellowpage topic, I'll give you one of my +500 mil nations.

http://home.earthlink.net/~doublee32/ns/tpg.jpg
The Phoenix Group (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/36733/page=display_region/region=the_phoenix_group)

Qaaolchoura: I wasn't addressing you specifically. And if you think this is my first nation you're wrong. I just made this one for my latest region. :roll:


All: If anyone will make me a pretty TPG ad for the yellowpage topic, I'll give you one of my +500 mil nations.

http://home.earthlink.net/~doublee32/ns/tpg.jpg
The Phoenix Group (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/36733/page=display_region/region=the_phoenix_group)
I know that you weren't addressing me, but as it was a general comment I responded to the general one.

And no offense, but there are some pretty knowledgeable newbies out there. (Or maybe those are puppets too. . . :oops: )

(Or maybe those are puppets too. . . :oops: )
Not all of them, sir. Not all of them.

Qaaolchoura: You could call me a newbie, since I never use this annoying forum. I do my RPing off-site.


EDIT - Ah ha, I remembered the password! The offer's still good!

MAKE A GOOD AD AND WIN THIS NATION!!!




All: If anyone will make me a pretty TPG ad for the yellowpage topic, I'll give you one of my +500 mil nations.

http://home.earthlink.net/~doublee32/ns/tpg.jpg
The Phoenix Group (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/36733/page=display_region/region=the_phoenix_group)

Qaaolchoura: You could call me a newbie, since I never use this annoying forum. I do my RPing off-site.
I am not talking about RP. As far as I am concerned you are knowledgeable about NationStates, or you are not knowledgeable about NationStates.

To me at least, as I rarely RP, it is how much one knows about the NS game proper that matters to me.

Since you have 500 million + nations to give away, I assume that you are at least half as old as I am, more than likely older, and hence quite likely knowledgeable about gameplay (albeit not guarenteed, I occasionally see even March nations that make me think "it's March of this year already!?!").

MAKE A GOOD AD AND WIN THIS NATION!!!

903 million and a Frightening Economy. Must say, if I were an RPer, I would be tempted. As it is althogh my best puppet for RP is like 800 million and an all-consuming economy, as I do not RP war, I don't need it except for the fun.

It may be a good idea to make a thread with the ad contest, and MI's description.

(albeit not guarenteed, I occasionally see even March nations that make me think "it's March of this year already!?!").LMAO! I know what you mean, because age really has not much to do with how well you play. I am a March nation (yay, go March nations!! :D) who knew next to nothing until I decided to join the UN in October, was residing in the Pacific, and got sucked in to the addictiveness that is NS :P


Mmm, I don't like accepting other people's nations. I'm happy enough with what I create myself.
<-- *points to her nation* Best nation in the game! :lol: although I wouldn't mind NOT being a FKBS for once :*(

<-- *points to her nation* Best nation in the game!
A nation is what you make it. Qaaolchoura in itself is worth very little, but my in game empire, my main region, my intel network, and forum account, are, with all modesty, the best in the game. :wink: :P :twisted:

<-- *points to her nation* Best nation in the game!
A nation is what you make it. Qaaolchoura in itself is worth very little, but my in game empire, my main region, my intel network, and forum account, are, with all modesty, the best in the game. :wink: :P :twisted:

Oh, very modest, Qaaol ;) *salutes*

What I meant by that, is I adore my nation. It's my baby 8)

Oh, very modest, Qaaol ;) *salutes*

What I meant by that, is I adore my nation. It's my baby 8)
I suppose that I may have been a bit too modest docha think? :P

I like my nations, but they are always dying on me.

Oh, very modest, Qaaol ;) *salutes*

What I meant by that, is I adore my nation. It's my baby 8)
I suppose that I may have been a bit too modest docha think? :P

I like my nations, but they are always dying on me.


Get them revived, i got all my puppets revived because i could normally change their names, and i think most people love their nations :D

Get them revived, i got all my puppets revived because i could normally change their names, and i think most people love their nations :D
I do. I have some which have been revived more than once. . .

Get them revived, i got all my puppets revived because i could normally change their names, and i think most people love their nations :D
I do. I have some which have been revived more than once. . .


:D

Woo!

Successfully hawked my first region :)

(Is it just me, or does that seem to imply that I coughed it up in a really gross and disgusting manner?)

SC

region hawking is fun. with a lot of patience they can become realy thriving regions!

sometimes you hawk a region wich stays months filled just with your puppets, but then, suddenly, you've got a delegate with three endorsements! and that is great, because this is the very start of your region.

let's see what "mumbay" has to offer..

The hardest way, and the most risky is to simply look at the region, view the government activity, and check back every so often.

I have only done this with a two regions, both due to the fact that the region was passworded, and fue to forgetfulness lost both. I should have used the second method that I list below

The second, still rather risky and hard, but logical for passworded regions, is to add all of the regions that you are watching to your dossier.

This is a problem, if you can not maintain the habit of checking your dossier daily, but should still work. I acquired the region "Rhode Island" in this fashion.

This is also a good idea if you feel that moving your puppets into the region would attract more settlers.

The final method that I use is to put a puppet (or puppets) into the region and watch it.


Just a question, what exactly are you waiting for? Just for it to die? What if it refuses to die? What if they're active in recruiting?

Just a question, what exactly are you waiting for? Just for it to die? What if it refuses to die? What if they're active in recruiting?
You must have found this through Myrth's list. His captionis, like all blurbs, slighly innacurate.

This doesn't work for all regions, merely those which are on the verge of dying (as I could have sworn that I mentioned at the start of the thread. . . anywhen. . .)

One of the first regions I checked upon joining NS back in February was 'The Culture (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the%20culture)' it was locked tight with just two unresponsive nations in it.

This nation (The Anticipation of a New Lovers Arrival), was created for the purpose of Hawking it, grabbed it a month ago and now my founder has it's proper full name I have started inviting a few players to send puppets to the region, we welcome any culture fanatics though :)

check the region SLF for an example of widespread region hawking. SLF refounds invader regions as soulless museums. It is a virus, and should be wiped out.

I've done it once. Two failed attempts then succeeded the third time.