NationStates Jolt Archive

Open Letter to Regional Recruiters

There are two ways of recruiting, that I have observed, and I intend to put on my 2/144ths of a drachauq on both:

Message Boards

First off recruitment messages on player-created region boards without permission of the owner is illegal.

Salusa said that it was the current ruling, and Neut verified it. According to Hack the one exception with the player regions is if you were a long time member, and wish to invite other members with you.

Recruitment messages in the Pacifics and the RR are limited to one per day.

Secondly, it is rude, inconsiderate, disruptive, and does not work.

I have never seen any player move to a region after a recruitment message was posted on the board, and I am omnescient (j/k ;) ).

I have seen people roll their eyes and get quite annoyed at recruiters to the point of passwording their regions and/or putting messages in the factbook.

If you must advertise, please try and limit it to no more than 15 lines. Nobody is going to read through some huge essay, so don't bother.

Telegrams

Sending telegrams to newbies

Again, telegrams may only be sent to nations in the Rejected Realms and the five Pacifics. ('The North Pacific' etc. not 'North Pacific' etc.)
Sending telegrams to my puppets is very annoying when autoscripted (see below), but when I recognize that a region actually sought out my particular puppet (it is usually quite easy to tell the difference), I am flattered and generally move it in to the region.

I can't claim to represent everybody though, and I usually find these very annoying when sent to my older puppets.

Autoscripting telegrams

On about one third of my puppets, practically since the beginning of time, I log on and find that I have two (or rarely even more) telegrams. At leat one of them is almost aways a condescending telegram from a region that shall not be named.

It makes me angry on three counts:

1. My puppets' inbox is filled with the telgram equivalant of the African email scam.
2. A true n00b will believe that they were actually sought out personally. I recall when I was a n00b, I certainly believed it. When my friend joined, he believed it. My region's former delegate, through who I found this game (now defunct), had believed it. This strikes me as deceitful, intentional or not.
3. Recruiters who actually do examine nations and only invite ones whom they think will br fitting lose potential new members to autoscripters.

sending telegrams to older nations

It always ticks me off when Qaaolchoura, my main nation, founder and delegate of a mid-sized region and nearing a billion pop, gets invited to other regions.

If I decide that I don't like my region which I was in since my second or third day here, then I am capable of finding a new region on my own.

Please, look at whom you are sending the telegram to. At very least, look at the population, look to see if there is a little blue badge labled "UN Delegate", and look at the region to see if how active they are on the mesage board and if the founded it.

To reiterate

Please before sending telegrams look at the nation, where it is located, how they are placed, and what it's political viewpoints are.

Again, this is just my 2/144ths of a drachauq, but I though that I would get it out there.

Feel free to post your own opinion without flaming.

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Happy Holidays,
Qaaolchoura

OFFICIAL SUMMARY OF ADVERTISING RULES

Recruitment adverts (both messageboard posts and telegrams) are limited to the Rejected Realms and the five Pacifics. Advertising in a player-created region without the permission of the founder (or delegate if there is no founder) will result in your nation receiving an official warning.

Adverts are limited to one per day for messageboard posts, and one per nation for telegram adverts. Advertising more than once in a 24-hour period will result in you receiving a warning.

Might be worth re-posting that in the Yellow Pages sticky. I wish I had a merge function sometimes.

Qaaol is one hundred percent right in everything he says here. I spend a good amount of my day recruiting for my region, without resorting to auto scripting.

Surprisingly enough, it works ;) My region's grown quickly and I've only gotten one seriously pissed off reply.

Maybe I'll start sending the link to this thread to those who do that annoying kind of recruiting :twisted:

Might be worth re-posting that in the Yellow Pages sticky. I wish I had a merge function sometimes.I'm gonna edit a link to this in there.

I was just looking through the threads here in the new forum and found this one worthy of comment.

Qaaol and I have went back and forth about this one before, and I believe we agree.

This would be a good one to sticky or merge into something--if it hasn't been done already? Also, a clarification on the "I thinks" Qaaol posted would be nice. Although I don't allow my recruiters to post on anyone's regional board, ever, I'd be interested in hearing the official rule.

BTW, it sure feels strange posting here (paranoia over gravedigging) since it's already at the back of the list--and was started three days ago. lol...but definitely worth the bump. 8)

I was just looking through the threads here in the new forum and found this one worthy of comment.

Qaaol and I have went back and forth about this one before, and I believe we agree.

This would be a good one to sticky or merge into something--if it hasn't been done already?

Also, a clarification on the "I thinks" Qaaol posted would be nice. Although I don't allow my recruiters to post on anyone's regional board, ever, I'd be interested in hearing the official rule.

BTW, it sure feels strange posting here (paranoia over gravedigging) since it's already at the back of the list--and was started three days ago. lol...but definitely worth the bump. 8)
:oops:

Indeed.

It has. Links to it are in the Yellow pages and in Myrth's Sticky List

I meant to ask. Oh well, there are at least three mods I know of, two of them GMs who reguarly patrol this forum, so one of them will answer eventually I hope.

It isn't gravedigging. I've bumped threads far older than this even after the rulling. The various mods have personal limits ranging from two weeks to two months.

Also, a clarification on the "I thinks" Qaaol posted would be nice. Although I don't allow my recruiters to post on anyone's regional board, ever, I'd be interested in hearing the official rule.
Um. I'm pretty darn sure you can't post 'recruitment spam' on the regional boards of player created regions. Neut has a quote about it somewhere, I think, although best I could find is Saulsa's reply to this (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2474139#2474139) thread...

Qaaol...I knew it wasn't actually gravedigging, it just seemed strange posting on a thread that was that far back on the last page. This forum is already very popular, it seems. Anyway, I seem to be slightly paranoid about not breaking rules, so when it felt like what it might feel like to gravedig, that's where the "I am paranoid" came from. Ah, to indulge in the almost (not even close) rulebreaking. lol

Unfree...thanks for the link, but I was asking more about the Pacifics. A friend of mine named Chris "accidentally" recruited like that from Nasicournia when he first started out in our region...lol. Just wondering if they can in fact post in the birth regions/RR, and if so, how often.

What I've heard is not more than once per day and you can't have the same message on there twice.

This is all from my head (which is currently messed up right now) though so you might want to find something more... official.

I once got a noobie asking me to join his region of 1 - while I founded a region of over 50 - and have two mods residing there. Nonsense.

Good post.

Cheers,
W.

Wheres the Reagon board?

I have to agree with Qaa, Dont Telegram me to move to your region, I am probably gonna not do it, and I pwill not tell N00bs about your region if they ask me for suggestions about new regions they might like to move to.

I once got a noobie asking me to join his region of 1 - while I founded a region of over 50 - and have two mods residing there. Nonsense.

Good post.

Cheers,
W.
I know the feeling. I get a lot of those, and very often they seem to think that they are doing me a favor by letting me join their region.

And thanks Wolfie. :D

I am doing you a favor..LOL :)

I am doing you a favor..LOL :)
Now you have me confused on two threads. :?

For some reason I have that effect.. I havent been able to figure out why..

I really hate getting "Move to my region!" telegram requests.

If I was interested, I'd do it on my own, thank you very much- sending recruitment telegrams to me means I fire an IGNORE missile at you in return.

I have to disagree, i have seen n00bs move to regions where a player has spammed a message board (normally a pacific region), and i recruit but only people i think will want to move to my puppet's region,

I'm always amazed how much recruitment advertising - on threads, messageboards or telegrams - consisted of "move to my region!". That's it. Not even an attempt to construct a reason why anyone would want to move there ... :roll:

Very occasionally I'll invite someone to our region but only if there's something about them that would make them a good match - and then I say why. To be absolutely honest, it would be a pain being in a region with a majority of bumptious newbies, unless they have some connection to us.

If I spot a "what region should I move to" thread, I'll refer them to TG's list which has got to be the mose useful resource for choosing a region.

Why don't recruiters use more PR-type tactics, such as a link to their region in their sig (see below) so that nations can check them out and maybe move there if they like the look of the place?

White Lotus Eaters
UN Delegate, Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=urbanites) Region

Its even more annoying when n00bs use autoscripted messages with speelllinv mitakes and grammatical, errors, like, this.
You know when there autoscripted if your in a region which is very big and you have a high position in it.

Its even more annoying when n00bs use autoscripted messages with speelllinv mitakes and grammatical, errors, like, this.
You know when there autoscripted if your in a region which is very big and you have a high position in it.


i totaly agree espesialy when they say "I will NUKE the world!"

I was talking about auto-scripting regional recruitsments and other messages and having mistakes. Its under standable if its just a few small errors on something they just wrote up. But if its something they use all the time.

I have to disagree, i have seen n00bs move to regions where a player has spammed a message board (normally a pacific region), and i recruit but only people i think will want to move to my puppet's region,
I saw it for my frst time, when his region called Cymru when recruiting in several regions, including at least one controlled by mods. I added a "NO RECRUITERS" line, and immediately got another recruiter for a different region.

Steph then pulled both messages and warned the recruiters. :D

* A hearty cheer for Qaaolchoura*

Indeed. Mind you, a use can now block telegrams from users which should hopefully cut down on the spam. As well, I follow these methods of recruiting:

1) Advertise the region I belong to only if someone starts a thread saying, in effect, "I'm looking for a region". In other words, a sales pitch.

2) Taking advantage of any type of "region advertising" threads where it is understood to be a "recruiting" thread.

The practices that you have mentioned that people do are certainly annoying and disrupting. I remember dudes like Nod and Sketch always getting spam in their telegram boxes because of their consistently high UN rankings.

My founded region I actually work most with we dont advertise, for folks, after all we get a special Select clientel. You gotta knwo how to get there to join it and if ya know how to get there, then you dont have to ask, or be asked.

stop trying to be enigmatic! :twisted:

My method of recruiting is to send a few tgms to people applying to the UN, and if I see a nation that is metal related I'll ask them even if they are older since it's sort of a special intrest, I try not to send to many telegrams though

Seriously though, who doesn't love getting rectruiting messages? It's like telemarketing, only you don't have caller ID until you 'pick up the phone' so to speak.

My region where my U.N puppet is delegate got spammed by Fortress Harkinnen, look at this completely wrong message

Hi dearest republics, commonwealths and so on,

This is a message to all of you:
THIS REJECTED REALMS REGION IS SO UNCOOL.
Think, wish, dream that you were in a much cooler, beter organised, secier region... and move your nation to: FORTRESS HARKINNEN.
You will be hailed as an emperor of ancient times and recieve regional recognition emediately.

P.S.: Our dictator states this is not regional spam, it's just some messaging
P.P.S.: He's always right


This is just arogant and wrong because it is illegal which i hope i managed to show him...shall i report him? :?

it doesn't tell me anything about the region it just tells me how boring mine is, so i think i shall report him, 8)

Report him, and add a "NO RECRUITERS" tag to the factbook.

I did that and Steph warned the recruiters.

Less than a week later, they did it again (albeit not to my region), and DEAT! :twisted: :D

Report him, and add a "NO RECRUITERS" tag to the factbook.

I did that and Steph warned the recruiters.

Less than a week later, they did it again (albeit not to my region), and DEAT! :twisted: :D


:lol: I can't though regional control isn't turned on even though i keep asking for it but s/he doesn't reply, i dunno why though, because we always get spammed. But anyway i password protect most regions i control, 8)

I have recently started to look for more members of the region I am delegate to (conservative paradise.) The way I do it beside occasional "n00bs" is look for regions that are largely inactive then telegraming members who fit a view of who I want in my region. I also look for like minded nations (conservative) in regions that are more to the left. Is this illegal? Someone said it was...But other than posting (I know posting is definitely illegal) I never knew that telegraming was...especially since I send only one message to the person...

Thanks in advance for answer

:eek: I may have been guilty of some of the practices refered to, though I have not shamelessly promoted my own region by posting invitations to it on another.
The trouble I see is that there are so many regions and members that recruitment is nigh to impossible unless you use telegrams to n00b (I suppose I am still one) nations or messages to those which seem uniquely suited which you happen to stumble upon. My qualifications for my region (Herot) are somewhat quirky, so it is far from obvious which nations would desire entry into my region. Perhaps if there here a few categories of regions, controllable by founders or UN Reps which listed the various types of rationale for membership, like political affiliation, common interest, reference to a fictional/mythological place, etc. people could more easily find regions which suitted them and the number of annoying recruitment offers would be much reduced. If we made it so that a founder/UN Rep could only list under one such category it would also prevent it from being the sort of bramble you encounter in the list of regions, what with the dozens (or is it hundreds?) of 000000000000000 regions.

I once got a noobie asking me to join his region of 1 - while I founded a region of over 50 - and have two mods residing there. Nonsense.

Good post.

Cheers,
W.

BUt hey, fair to the n00bs, you gotta start somewere

Ok question. I read the whole post and believe I did nto get the answer.

In the feeder regions it is: 1 RMB Post, Per Nation, Per 24 hrs.

But my question is, if you have multiple recruiters who wanna post messages, is it still 1 Post on the Feeder Regions Board, Per 24 Hours, regardless of how many recruiters you have??