Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice? Who would win?
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 03:59
Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice? Who would win?
As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice would win in a universal battle for supremacy.
As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice would win in a universal battle for supremacy.
Were you bored?
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:03
Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice? Who would win?
As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice would win in a universal battle for supremacy.
LOL!
Eutrusca
19-01-2005, 04:04
Damned if *I* know! I'm still trying to figure out who the hell "Heathcliff" was! :D
Quite obviously ghostbusters win.
Pythagosaurus
19-01-2005, 04:06
As a contractual obligation, I must always support 'Ditka' in threads of this type.
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:06
Were you bored?
Funny, but you don't seem to get that question on [name your super-hero of choice here] vs [name your best friend's super-hero of choice here] threads.
Frankly, I'm rooting for Pride and Prejudice all the way. Cutting wit beats out blind love and obsessive stalking any day.
:D
Funny, but you don't seem to get that question on [name your super-hero of choice here] vs [name your best friend's super-hero of choice here] threads.
Yeah - I was bored, so I thought I'd amuse myself by asking other people if they were bored too :D
Chess Squares
19-01-2005, 04:08
Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice? Who would win?
As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice would win in a universal battle for supremacy.
if this is a bore to death contest, i havnt read jane eyre or wuthering heights but i know pride and prejudice could kill you from bordeom
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:09
if this is a bore to death contest, i havnt read jane eyre or wuthering heights but i know pride and prejudice could kill you from bordeom
Rectify these omissions at your earliest opportunity.
Our Earth
19-01-2005, 04:11
I think Jane Eyre would win personally, but Wuthering Heights gets a few bonus points for being the worlds first soup opera.
Pythagosaurus
19-01-2005, 04:14
Damned if *I* know! I'm still trying to figure out who the hell "Heathcliff" was! :D
Heathcliff was a cartoon cat, somewhat similar in nature to Garfield.
Nureonia
19-01-2005, 04:15
To Kill a Mockingbird swoops in and pwnsauces them.
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:15
Heathcliff was a cartoon cat, somewhat similar in nature to Garfield.
And Rochester was a town in upstate New York.
Free Soviets
19-01-2005, 04:16
Cutting wit beats out blind love and obsessive stalking any day.
obsessive stalking all the way!
Eutrusca
19-01-2005, 04:18
And Rochester was a town in upstate New York.
LOL! Um ... still is, so far as I know! :D
Eutrusca
19-01-2005, 04:20
Heathcliff was a cartoon cat, somewhat similar in nature to Garfield.
Well, DUH! But for purposes of THIS discussion, Heathcliff was the main male romantic interest in Wuthering Heights, I think. :eek:
Chess Squares
19-01-2005, 04:20
Rectify these omissions at your earliest opportunity.
i was forced to read pride and prejudice for school, i would not have objected to having my eyes burned out before i was even done with it
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:36
i was forced to read pride and prejudice for school, i would not have objected to having my eyes burned out before i was even done with it
I say we banish Chess Squares to the "Warhammer 40K, Star Trek, or Star Wars" thread. We have no room for such sacrilegious talk here!!
;)
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:38
I say we banish Chess Squares to the "Warhammer 40K, Star Trek, or Star Wars" thread. We have no room for such sacrilegious talk here!!
;)
Seconded. Let him be exiled into that eternal darkness.
"And they're turning the final corner and it's Jane Eyre by a length. It's Jane Eyre, no! Wuthering Heights moves up on the outside! And Pride and Prejudice is trailing by three lengths--oh no, he's down! And look at Jane Eyre go, that jockey is really using his whip!! As they come into the home stretch, it's Wuthering Heights, Wuthering Heights--IT'S JANE EYRE BY A NOSE!"
...if only because it has everything in it. Poor little abused orphans, repressed lust, and a madwoman in the tower. Oops... gave that away didn't I. :eek:
Helennia
19-01-2005, 04:43
I say we banish Chess Squares to the "Warhammer 40K, Star Trek, or Star Wars" thread. We have no room for such sacrilegious talk here!!
;)
Blasphemy! ;)
I have a better solution - tie them up and read Pride and Prejudice non-stop. Better still, make them watch the BBC version with Colin Firth, Jennifer Ehle and Julia Sawahla.
*sighs*
How do people find P&P boring? I'd say it beats Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights into a bloody pulp with one cover tied behind it's back.
Helennia
19-01-2005, 04:44
"And they're turning the final corner and it's Jane Eyre by a length. It's Jane Eyre, no! Wuthering Heights moves up on the outside! And Pride and Prejudice is trailing by three lengths--oh no, he's down! And look at Jane Eyre go, that jockey is really using his whip!! As they come into the home stretch, it's Wuthering Heights, Wuthering Heights--IT'S JANE EYRE BY A NOSE!"
...if only because it has everything in it. Poor little abused orphans, repressed lust, and a madwoman in the tower. Oops... gave that away didn't I. :eek:
Hmph. :mad: Pride and Prejudice only came last because of the weight of all those mad women lusting after Mr Darcy ...
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:44
"...IT'S JANE EYRE BY A NOSE!"
...if only because it has everything in it. Poor little abused orphans, repressed lust, and a madwoman in the tower. Oops... gave that away didn't I. :eek:
Doesn't have digging up the grave of your departed love to gaze once more upon her pallid visage, though, does it? Doesn't have dropping babies down stairwells in fits in pique, though, does it? Doesn't have threatening to paint the walls of the barn red with the blood of a servant, though, does it?
Helennia
19-01-2005, 04:45
IT DOESN'T HAVE MR DARCY, DOES IT?
:gundge: :gundge: :gundge:
Then again, it doesn't have Lydia, Mary, and Mrs Bennet either.
Wuthering Heights has beautiful violent tendencies and Jane Eyre does have the madwoman and the repressed lust - but I love the interaction between characters in P&P the most.
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:47
Blasphemy! ;)
I have a better solution - tie them up and read Pride and Prejudice non-stop. Better still, make them watch the BBC version with Colin Firth, Jennifer Ehle and Julia Sawahla.
*sighs*
How do people find P&P boring? I'd say it beats Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights into a bloody pulp with one cover tied behind it's back.
I don't know.... I happen to own the BBC version, and I've read the book about 10 times. At least. :D
Jane Eyre is kinda sluggish, and Wuthering Heights - well, I'm not totally sure it's worth slogging through the damn butler's accent!
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:48
IT DOESN'T HAVE MR DARCY, DOES IT!
:gundge: :gundge: :gundge:
Heathcliff could have 'Mr' Darcy in a fight any day.
He could also beat 'Mr' Rochester in a game of hide and seek.
IT DOESN'T HAVE MR DARCY, DOES IT!
:gundge: :gundge: :gundge:Oy. Mr. Darcy was a wanker. :p
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:49
IT DOESN'T HAVE MR DARCY, DOES IT!
:gundge: :gundge: :gundge:
ooh, Mr. Darcy!
::swoons::
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:49
Jane Eyre is kinda sluggish, and Wuthering Heights - well, I'm not totally sure it's worth slogging through the damn butler's accent!
Yaih 'hink yeall fyined thyat Joseph haint nar bootler - hyes joist ah serphent.
Helennia
19-01-2005, 04:50
Oy. Mr. Darcy was a wanker. :p
I'm sure Jane Austen would never have written something so scandalous! :eek:
He certainly had the brooding air of someone who isn't getting a lot on the side ... Wickham was much more genial. Then again, there was Bingley. *frowns*
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:52
Yaih 'hink yeall fyined thyat Joseph haint nar bootler - hyes joist ah serphent.
Wow, you've got that down!
(Butler... servant... whatev! Haven't read it since I was 11!)
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:56
Wow, you've got that down!
It like, like his speech in the book, bears no relation to any accent that has ever graced God's own county - the possibility that he suffered from a cleft palate or similar disability should not be ignored...
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 04:57
It like, like his speech in the book, bears no relation to any accent that has ever graced God's own county - the possibility that he suffered from a cleft palate or similar disability should not be ignored...
Oh dear... you're not a lit major, are you?
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 04:59
Oh dear... you're not a lit major, are you?
No, but if the SW vs ST vs W40k thread can exhibit such nerdish and unwarrented speculation, then we too should have licence to do so.
***
"Heathcliff was a better dancer than Darcy. Heathcliff was a better singer than Darcy. Heathcliff couldn't even say 'Wuthering'. He'd say Wyther-ring, bloody Wyther-ring".
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 05:01
No, but if the SW vs ST vs W40k thread can exhibit such nerdish and unwarrented speculation, then we too should have licence to do so.
:D I totally agree.
And anyway, not that there's anything wrong with lit majors...
I majored in philosophy, which is known for being just as useless!
;)
Helennia
19-01-2005, 05:10
Nope, I beat you both on the nerd scale- I major in maths and stats. :(
And at least Darcy could pronounce Wuthering...
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 05:22
And at least Darcy could pronounce Wuthering...
Hmm... so I'm thinking this thread should be Mr. Rochester, Heathcliff, and Mr. Darcy... or maybe Jane, Catherine, and Elizabeth.
And CLEARLY Elizabeth beats out Jane and Catherine.
Plus, Mr. Darcy is just so hot. Mmmm!
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 05:25
Plus, Mr. Darcy is just so hot. Mmmm!
Uh-oh, I suddenly realized that I sound like Lydia. Eek!
Helennia
19-01-2005, 05:26
Plus, Mr. Darcy is just so hot. Mmmm!
:fluffle: Excuse me while I wipe the drool from my keyboard...
Prosophia
19-01-2005, 06:08
:fluffle: Excuse me while I wipe the drool from my keyboard...
Teehee, sweet dreams!
Ultra Cool People
19-01-2005, 06:24
It depends what kind of love story you like, For unrequited love nothing beats "Great Expectations" by Dickens.
Helennia
19-01-2005, 06:36
Ah, Dickens.
Now some people say that Dickens had a way with words.
I've read numerous Dickensian novels, and all I can say is that he had a way with long, dry, boring words. Dickens never captured my imagination.
Gorsley Gardens
19-01-2005, 16:32
Pride and Prejudice. Just HAS to be. Infinitely better than Wuthering Heights... but, admittedly, I've never got round to reading Jane Eyre... (ssh)
Oscarina
19-01-2005, 16:47
Wuthering Heights, all the way.
What can I say, I like death.
Bodies Without Organs
19-01-2005, 18:08
... but, admittedly, I've never got round to reading Jane Eyre... (ssh)
I'll shamefacedly admit that I have never got round to reading Pride And Prejudice, even though I started the thread: pulling something vaguely obscure out of my ass like Captain Jack just didn't seem to fit with the other pair too well. Having said that, the kids need to read more Daniel Defoe.
Wagwanimus
19-01-2005, 18:10
pride and prejudice lacerates the other two.
agree with me and i will never see you again, disagree and your mother will never see you again. mwahahaha
Honey Badgers
19-01-2005, 18:39
Frankly, I'm rooting for Pride and Prejudice all the way. Cutting wit beats out blind love and obsessive stalking any day.
:D
Yes, I love Jane Austen. All her books are great! :)
Ah, Dickens.
Now some people say that Dickens had a way with words.
I've read numerous Dickensian novels, and all I can say is that he had a way with long, dry, boring words. Dickens never captured my imagination.The biggest problem with Dickens is that most of his works were done as newspaper serials. The man was essentially getting paid by the word. And boy could he pad those paragraphs.
Violets and Kitties
19-01-2005, 22:34
Wuthering Heights definitely. Hard to tell which was more beautiful - the imagery or the tragedy.
The White Hats
19-01-2005, 22:45
PnP, by a country mile. The other two are completely bonkers, and PnP appeals to my materialistic soul.
Cannot think of a name
19-01-2005, 22:45
First-Best Parody Thread Ever!!!
Then-I'll vote Pride and Prejudice even though I have no right making the claim because my high school had a pisspoor english program.
Space Cadet Zeek
12-12-2005, 22:28
Hmm...though I have yet to read Wuthering Heights (maybe I'll pick it up over my two weeks off from school...-rejoices-) Jane Eyre and Pride and Prejudice, were simply marvelous.amazing.outstanding.superb.awe-inspiring.literary genius. Take your pick. :D I enjoyed them both far too much to choose just one.
Carnivorous Lickers
12-12-2005, 22:31
You should really go nuts and add "Ironweed" and "Fried Green Tmatoes" to the fray.
Pride and Prejudice all the way. Elizabeth has got some nerve.
In general, I would suspect that PnP is more popular because it's got a more modern sensibility then Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights do.
Elicere
Qwystyria
12-12-2005, 22:40
Of those three, I've got to go with Jane Eyre just for the madwoman, fire and the fact that someone said something at the "speak now or forever hold your peace" part of a wedding. Oh, and for the girl-blows-off-guy part.
I liked Pride and Prejudice on some level, but it was somewhat ruined for me by a (straight male) friend who just LOVED the movie and would watch it repeatedly and rave about the women in it like he wanted to marry them.
Wuthering Heights I had a hard time getting through. None of the characters were people I could sympathize with at all, so it just doesn't get my vote.
And if To Kill A Mockingbird were in the fray, it'd win hands down.
Frangland
12-12-2005, 22:41
Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice? Who would win?
As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice would win in a universal battle for supremacy.
I've read Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights
between those two, I'd go with Jane eyre. I hated Heathcliff way too much to be able to really enjoy Wuthering Heights.
Pride and prejudice. I haven't read Wuthering Heights, but I couldn't get into Jane Eyre.
Pride and Prejudice reached number 2 in a recent poll "Britains most loved book", beaten only by Lord of the Rings. Jane Eyre came 10th, and Wuthering Heights 12th.
Kreitzmoorland
12-12-2005, 23:01
P&P would roundhouse kick the Bronte girls in their collective pretty bustles. Please, BWO, read it.
By the way, this wins the Kreits' favorite thread of the week award.
PnP, by a country mile. The other two are completely bonkers, and PnP appeals to my materialistic soul.NOOO! She didn't marry him for the money! The part about seeing his estate and then appreciating him is just to deek you out!
Mooseica
12-12-2005, 23:08
Well I have to admit I've never read any of them - not quite my cup of tea - but I asked my mum, who is very much into that sort of thing, and she said that Pride and Prejudice would win because, while Jane Eyre was better in a literary sense, PnP was a much better read.
Kazcaper
13-12-2005, 00:04
if this is a bore to death contest, i havnt read jane eyre or wuthering heights but i know pride and prejudice could kill you from bordeomCouldn't agree more. To me it was nothing but a Mills and Boons novel - boy meets girl, boy and girl hate each other, boy and girl later decide they're in love with each other - dressed up in pretentious language.
Jane Eyre was alright since it didn't follow the same old dull format, but I thought Wuthering Heights the best of the three since I love the cynicism supposed by the utter despair evoked.
Ravenshrike
13-12-2005, 00:24
i was forced to read pride and prejudice for school, i would not have objected to having my eyes burned out before i was even done with it
How old were you when you read it?
Ravenshrike
13-12-2005, 00:25
Couldn't agree more. To me it was nothing but a Mills and Boons novel - boy meets girl, boy and girl hate each other, boy and girl later decide they're in love with each other - dressed up in pretentious language.
And the social critique on time-period england goes whooshing speedily over Kazcaper's head.
Cannot think of a name
13-12-2005, 00:42
Hmm...though I have yet to read Wuthering Heights (maybe I'll pick it up over my two weeks off from school...-rejoices-) Jane Eyre and Pride and Prejudice, were simply marvelous.amazing.outstanding.superb.awe-inspiring.literary genius. Take your pick. :D I enjoyed them both far too much to choose just one.
Wow-that's some class-a gravedigging. This thread was almost a year old!
Kreitzmoorland
13-12-2005, 00:46
Wow-that's some class-a gravedigging. This thread was almost a year old!I'm impressed too. yay for gravedigging!! (BTW, is it frowned upon by mods?)
Too bad my search still doesn't work....I want to find threads about fruitcake recipes.
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 00:53
I'm impressed too. yay for gravedigging!! (BTW, is it frowned upon by mods?)
Too bad my search still doesn't work....I want to find threads about fruitcake recipes.
You've found a thread about Wuthering Heights and you're still looking for fruitcakes?
There's no satisfying some people .......
MinMaxRegret
13-12-2005, 01:12
I have been waiting for this for years . . . It gets old playing a slightly intellectual game, then realize everyone turned their nation into a jedi academy . . . .
With that out odf the way, I'd like to settle your debate: NOT P&P!
Jane Eyre for the first strong female character in literature,
Wuthering Heights for Heathcliff because everyone hates him,
Jane Eyre for an awesome story line that Jane dominates while Rochester takes what is handed to him,
Wuthering Heights for Heathcliff because everyone hates him,
Pride and Predjudice suffers from both. Sense and Sensability, maybe . . . .
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 01:12
Wow-that's some class-a gravedigging. This thread was almost a year old!
But what I don't get is this: how/why did they find this thread?
Someone new comes onto NS General, looks around, sees it's a forum dedicated to politics, religion, philosophy and stuff, thinks, "Hmm, I reckon there might just be something here about 19th Century English literature, probably somewhat lighthearted? Now, where's the search function?"
I mean, wtf? What's the mental process going on here?
Kreitzmoorland
13-12-2005, 01:22
I have been waiting for this for years . . . It gets old playing a slightly intellectual game, then realize everyone turned their nation into a jedi academy . . . .
Pride and Predjudice suffers from both. Sense and Sensability, maybe . . . .Sense and Sensibility was a total bore compared to P&P. There wasn't an interesting character in the whole thing except for John's wife. Willoughby was insufferable, and the "hero" of the book is a melencholy 38-year old with no spark. Marrianne's charachter not only isn't likeable, but isn't nearly as developed as Elizabeth. Definately my least favorite Jane Austen, maybe tied with Northanger Abbey at the bottom.
Someone new comes onto NS General, looks around, sees it's a forum dedicated to politics, religion, philosophy and stuff, thinks, "Hmm, I reckon there might just be something here about 19th Century English literature, probably somewhat lighthearted? Now, where's the search function?"I rather like the idea; it's a great public service to bump good older threads. Particularly for newer posters who haven't been exposed to classic and seminal threads in General history. We should start an NS General Gravedigging society. We could call ourselves "The Men of Yorick"
Ancient British Glory
13-12-2005, 02:40
Wuthering Heights is by far the best. Tis very dark.
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 02:44
Wuthering Heights is by far the best. Tis very dark.
But, at the same time, very silly.
Really.
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 02:54
Jane Eyre for the first strong female character in literature,
Lysistrata was all just a crazy dream I had then, and not a piece of ancient Greek literature as I had previously thought?*
But what I don't get is this: how/why did they find this thread?
I threatened it as a doomsday device to dissuade newcomers from starting Star Wars vs. Star Trek threads, and foolishly provided a link to it...
* Nevermind good old Moll Flanders, if you're going to be pedantic and restrict your debate to specifically English/British novels.
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 02:58
between those two, I'd go with Jane eyre. I hated Heathcliff way too much to be able to really enjoy Wuthering Heights.
The whole point of Wuthering Heights is that they are all bastards: even the weak and ineffectual milksops are complete bastards in their own special ways. Not being able to enjoy Wuthering Heights because you hated a character is like not being able to enjoy fucking because you like having orgasms.
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 03:00
....
I threatened it as a doomsday device to dissuade newcomers from starting Star Wars vs. Star Trek threads, and foolishly provided a link to it...
....
Hey ho. So goes my theory: more random, but less likely I guess.
Kreitzmoorland
13-12-2005, 03:06
The whole point of Wuthering Heights is that they are all bastards: even the weak and ineffectual milksops are complete bastards in their own special ways. Not being able to enjoy Wuthering Heights because you hated a character is like not being able to enjoy fucking because you like having orgasms.
HEHheee. sigged.
Anarchic Conceptions
13-12-2005, 03:10
The whole point of Wuthering Heights is that they are all bastards: even the weak and ineffectual milksops are complete bastards in their own special ways. Not being able to enjoy Wuthering Heights because you hated a character is like not being able to enjoy fucking because you like having orgasms.
*Wonders how that would have gone down in A-level English Lit. ...*
(I vote Wuthering Heights, despite the fact I had to do it for Eng. Lit., which usually ruined books for me)
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 03:14
The whole point of Wuthering Heights is that they are all bastards: even the weak and ineffectual milksops are complete bastards in their own special ways. Not being able to enjoy Wuthering Heights because you hated a character is like not being able to enjoy fucking because you like having orgasms.
Whoa .... hang on. Forgive the lack of learning of an Essex boy, but could you unpack the reasoning behind your last assertion?
(Or should I just go and read Wuthering Heights? (Can you give me a page reference?))
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 03:15
Couldn't agree more. To me it was nothing but a Mills and Boons novel - boy meets girl, boy and girl hate each other, boy and girl later decide they're in love with each other - dressed up in pretentious language.
Isn't this argument a bit like condemning Citizen Kane because it reminded you of a Simpsons episode?
Sorry, Jane Eyre takes the cake...
Because it's actually readable without the need to slit your wrists and poke out your eyes out with needles.
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 03:20
Whoa .... hang on. Forgive the lack of learning of an Essex boy, but could you unpack the reasoning behind your last assertion?
(Or should I just go and read Wuthering Heights? (Can you give me a page reference?))
Yes, you should just go and read WH. All the characters are complete bastards, even the pampered swine from Thrushcross Grange and the simple-minded selfish brats of the second generation. The fact that all the characters are so spectacularly fucked up is the essence of the novels ability to entertain.
As to the fucking assertion... would it be easier to understand if I had said something like 'not being able to enjoy the film Jaws because you actually wanted to watch something with a rubber shark in it'? My point was that the fact that the characters are all despicable is the reason to enjoy WH, not to dislike it.
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 03:35
Yes, you should just go and read WH. All the characters are complete bastards, even the pampered swine from Thrushcross Grange and the simple-minded selfish brats of the second generation. The fact that all the characters are so spectacularly fucked up is the essence of the novels ability to entertain.
As to the fucking assertion... would it be easier to understand if I had said something like 'not being able to enjoy the film Jaws because you actually wanted to watch something with a rubber shark in it'? My point was that the fact that the characters are all despicable is the reason to enjoy WH, not to dislike it.
OK, and interesting. In my attempts at appreciating Wuthering Heights, I can't get past my irritation at the characters. This may be a difference in our aesthetics.
For example, I listen to bands like Throbbing Gristle and Dire Straits as a discipline, to remind me what it is I like about music elsewhere, not for pleasure. I'm not sure I've done the same with written material (discounting the Bible of course).
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 03:41
For example, I listen to bands like Throbbing Gristle and Dire Straits as a discipline, to remind me what it is I like about music elsewhere, not for pleasure.
... one is horrendous pointless noise with no reason to exist...
...and Genesis P. Orridge is in the other band.
The White Hats
13-12-2005, 03:49
... one is horrendous pointless noise with no reason to exist...
...and Genesis P. Orridge is in the other band.
You're being very unfair. Dire Straits is the anti-thesis, the existence of which defines, and affirms, the thesis. Genesis is merely the case study.
Everything with a reason.
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 04:36
OK, and interesting. In my attempts at appreciating Wuthering Heights, I can't get past my irritation at the characters.
Compare WH to the battle of Stalingrad: the fact that on one side we have a hateful, ruthless and power-mad dictator, while in contrast on the other side we have a hateful, ruthless and power-mad dictator is what makes that period of history more interesting, not less. Similarly with WH: because we are given no easy option of a 'good' character to sympathise with our engagement (once we overcome initial misgivings) is all the greater.
Lacadaemon
13-12-2005, 04:39
The whole point of Wuthering Heights is that they are all bastards: even the weak and ineffectual milksops are complete bastards in their own special ways. Not being able to enjoy Wuthering Heights because you hated a character is like not being able to enjoy fucking because you like having orgasms.
So you're saying devout catholics won't like it then.
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 04:44
So you're saying devout catholics won't like it then.
Shure now, the devout Catholics can get all their misdeeds, sins and transgressions washed away on a weekly basis if they so desire, so if anything it would be the hardline Prods who might have a problem with the novel, and knowing the hardline Prods, they'd probably rather spend their time sitting on a hard bench.
Ravenshrike
13-12-2005, 04:45
Compare WH to the battle of Stalingrad: the fact that on one side we have a hateful, ruthless and power-mad dictator, while in contrast on the other side we have a hateful, ruthless and power-mad dictator is what makes that period of history more interesting, not less. Similarly with WH: because we are given no easy option of a 'good' character to sympathise with our engagement (once we overcome initial misgivings) is all the greater.
That's like saying SWIII:RotS was good because I wanted to beat the shit out of every character in that movie.
Kreitzmoorland
13-12-2005, 04:55
That's like saying SWIII:RotS was good because I wanted to beat the shit out of every character in that movie.I thinkthe analogies on this page are getting a bit out of hand :)
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 04:57
That's like saying SWIII:RotS was good because I wanted to beat the shit out of every character in that movie.
I'm not saying that it is a surefire recipe for success, and there is a difference between being a bastard (as in WH) and just being a meaningless, irritating cipher (as in SW).
Lacadaemon
13-12-2005, 04:57
Shure now, the devout Catholics can get all their misdeeds, sins and transgressions washed away on a weekly basis if they so desire, so if anything it would be the hardline Prods who might have a problem with the novel, and knowing the hardline Prods, they'd probably rather spend their time sitting on a hard bench.
It was my understanding that the Church frowned upon that sort of attitude. The hard benches bit is probably true though.
Megaloria
13-12-2005, 04:58
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Unicron.
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 05:01
It was my understanding that the Church frowned upon that sort of attitude.
Does not the church also recognise that to err is human? Certainly treating confession as a handy soap for the soul is looked upon negatively, but anyhoo... the Song of Solomon tells us that the Christian faith doesn't (or at least shouldn't, if it is going to stay even vaguely consistent to its source text) frown upon the erotic. As far as the devout Catholics go, the orgasm in the context of a 'proper' attempt to procreate can be viewed as just another one of the Shoving Leopard's infinite blessings.
Lacadaemon
13-12-2005, 05:03
Does not the church also recognise that to err is human? Certainly treating confession as a handy soap for the soul is looked upon negatively, but anyhoo... the Song of Solomon tells us that the Christian faith doesn't (or at least shouldn't, if it is going to stay even vaguely consistent to its source text) frown upon the erotic. As far as the devout Catholics go, the orgasm in the context of a 'proper' attempt to procreate can be viewed as just another one of the Shoving Leopard's infinite blessings.
You know, that's exactly the kind of textual logic chopping that led to the reformation in the first place.
Antikythera
13-12-2005, 05:07
although pride and prejudice is good i have to say that Dracula by bram stoker is much much better
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 05:08
You know, that's exactly the kind of textual logic chopping that led to the reformation in the first place.
* Nails his faeces to the door *
Jane Eyre. One of my favorite novels.
Now speaking from a wrestling standpoint, Jane Eyre would completely and utterly beat the heroines of Wuthering Heights and Pride and Prejudice to the ground.
She's a poor girl. She's had to put up with crap from all over. Her male cousin is one of the most hateful people of all time. (Marry me and come be a missionary because you are plain and obviously not meant for love.) Then she finds her love all scarred and half blind.
Wuthering Heights... she is the one that dies I think and Pride and Prejudice are a pair of ladies that wouldn't last five minutes in the steel cage with my girl Jane Eyre!
Go JANE GO !:D
Bodies Without Organs
13-12-2005, 05:10
although pride and prejudice is good i have to say that Dracula by bram stoker is much much better
What? People change from being left-handed to right-handed from page to page, appear in the same scene wearing different sets of clothes and peoples' accents drift hither and yon as the fancy takes Stoker. For all its power one has to admit that Bram Stoker was pretty cack-handed when it came to internal consistency... possibly a trait he picked up during his employ as a railway clerk if the current state of the nation's rail service is anything to go by.
Lacadaemon
13-12-2005, 05:11
* Nails his faeces to the door *
Brilliant.
Antikythera
13-12-2005, 05:21
What? People change from being left-handed to right-handed from page to page, appear in the same scene wearing different sets of clothes and peoples' accents drift hither and yon as the fancy takes Stoker. For all its power one has to admit that Bram Stoker was pretty cack-handed when it came to internal consistency... possibly a trait he picked up during his employ as a railway clerk if the current state of the nation's rail service is anything to go by.
eather way it is still a better book in my opinion:)
The Parkus Empire
02-07-2006, 06:10
*Groans*. When are you going to add "War and Peace" to the list?
My very favorite is Jane Eyre. I've read it a bazillion times. I've read the others, and they aren't particularly memorable to me. Just putting in my vote! (Why didn't you add a poll?)
The Beautiful Darkness
02-07-2006, 16:55
Wuthering Heights is my favourite :)
The four perfect cats
02-07-2006, 18:01
Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice? Who would win?
As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, or Pride And Prejudice would win in a universal battle for supremacy.
Pride and Prejudice definitely, it's amusing, entertaining and a cutting commentary on the mores of the time which is just as applicable today. The other two are seminal Gothic romances, but I grew out of romances rather quickly once I got married and then divorced.