NationStates Jolt Archive

That's right! It is time for MaxChat2: The search for Max!

This is the second opportunity to chat live with Jennifer Government author and NationStates founder Max Barry brought to you by the #nationstates op team and the NS mods. Here are the details:

Where: #nationstates and #nationstates_Q&A channels on irc.esper.net (IRC client required to access www.mirc.com )

When: Saturday, April 17th, 2200 hours GMT (1700 CST)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=4&year=2004&hour=22&min=0&sec=0&p1=0

What: You get to decide! We are currently taking suggestions as to a topic for the chat. Post here with a topic suggestions (i.e. Max's New Book) and on the 11th, I will collect the suggestions and put them up in a poll. If you would like it to be a general chat with no specific topic, that is a legitamate request as well.

Please, post your thoughts, suggestions, etcetera here! We want to know what you want to know about!

i want to know what max thinks of our temples to the mods

i want to know what max thinks of our temples to the mods

So do I! :P

That is a specific question. We are more looking for an overarching topic(s) to guide the discussion.

i started the idea for the original 'magic powers' thread/mod temple, then a whole lot of temples sprang up, most of which were/are abandoned

That's great. Now stay on topic!

how about 'forum things such as customizable forum titles'

i started the idea for the original 'magic powers' thread/mod temple, then a whole lot of temples sprang up, most of which were/are abandoned
that was away back in teh things taht really piss you off thread. we built a big post pyramid, got the topic locked and then Liberal monsters started a We want our magical powers thread. I was the chainsaw master until the topi sprung up 5 pages overnight and i couldnt be bothered reading it :P


anyway, lets stop teh hijacking...


um, id like to talk about the new book... and also ask Max why nowhere in Australia stocks his books anymore and i have to order them in... (max, if you are reading this, ring up angus and robertson, loganholme, queensland and complain :P)

that was one hell of a quote pyramid wasnt it? :twisted:


/me ends off-topicness

You have narrowly avoided my wrath tonight. You stopped /just/ in time. :)

sorry, but mIRC is an IRC-client which I would only propose if I don't like the person I'm proposing it. Get XChat or irssi, they are better.

just my 20 lil'kansu'ny

we have to ask him first off which nation he plays with...taht way he cant claim 'connection problems' again

sorry, but mIRC is an IRC-client which I would only propose if I don't like the person I'm proposing it. Get XChat or irssi, they are better.

just my 20 lil'kansu'nyi had taht same problem. MIRC continuoulsy crashed my computer so i switched to Xchat

sorry, but mIRC is an IRC-client which I would only propose if I don't like the person I'm proposing it. Get XChat or irssi, they are better.

just my 20 lil'kansu'ny

Oddly enough, the people who complain about their clients the most is people who aren't using mIRC. I've been using mIRC for 8 some years now, and have never had any problems with it.

However, this really isn't the place for this conversation.

They call those instructions for MIRC idiot proof, but I still can't get it to work. I'm reminded of a line from Hitchhikers Guide, about foolproof things often underestimating the complete idiocity of fools.

Ah. Could be that I downloaded it before, but couldn't get it to work, and now the shareware time is expired. Not to go vastly off topic, but can someone direct me to one of the good alternate ones.


Oh, I want to know what part Max had in some of those rather cruel (and funny) April Fools day tricks.

I also want to find out what he has to say about Forum 7.

I think it's rather unfair to those of us who were banned from #nationstates to not be allowed to at least be in the same ROOM as Max.

In the spirit of fair play, I move that MaxChat 2.0 be moved to #nationstates_general.

I petition that it be in a seperate channel altogether.

I petition that it be in a seperate channel altogether.

I second that motion.

Let's hold it in a channel like #MaxChat, or something. The good thing about using #MaxChat is that the channel will be specifically for that purpose, and there's no fighting over what channel it's in, because then even the poor banned souls will have a chance to speak to Max (Or, rather, have Max speak to them.)

I already have the channel registered and reserved.

Ridiculous. Anyone who got banned from #nationstates should have thought of this beforehand. Some of us [like myself] have managed to be a part of that channel for over a year now without getting banned. It isn't really that hard.

But at any rate, it's not my issue to decide. Just offering my $.02.

Hmm, topics, topics. How about Max's true role in the world of NS. Forming NS into a micronation (a corporate police state, of course ^_^). Max's personal opinions on various IC roleplay issues. NS2, but that may have been covered already (I missed the last time). Max's hypothetical nation; how he would really run it, and why.

Meh, I dunno.

Ridiculous. Anyone who got banned from #nationstates should have thought of this beforehand. Some of us [like myself] have managed to be a part of that channel for over a year now without getting banned. It isn't really that hard.

But at any rate, it's not my issue to decide. Just offering my $.02.

Well, that doesn't mean everyone who gets banned planned, premeditated, and desired to get banned. I don't think such people should be prohibited from basking in the glory of Max just because they committed heresy against some op's sensibilities...

Also $.02. (Except with the exchange rate, more like half that.)

Yay .. a much better time .. maybe I'll be able to see this one live :D

Cool its on my birthday, IMBMB, I think it should be about whatever people start talking about.



Edit: To make that clearer, I think it should start with hello and go where ever it goes if that makes since.

Yay .. a much better time .. maybe I'll be able to see this one live :D
Not for me. :evil:

Ahh well. What about will he be doing more t-shirt designs?

I want someone to ask about the Invader Moderator issue,
We need to have a mod apointed to represent the invaders.
as I and others feel that they are being oppressed.
there are Neutral Mods, there are anti Invasion Mods there are Invader sympathetic mods, but there are No Mods with actual Invader experience.

I propose this question as a former invader who as I say above feels that the invaders are a Unrepresented yet legitimate player group who are being unfairly delt with at the hands of Moderation decisions and policy.

i am against invasions in general :evil:

I think we should have the format it was in last time (A Q&A session). Anything else would be way to chaotic, and if we focus on one subject...then not everyone will get to ask Mr. Barry stuff they want to know about. Except maybe make the session longer...so everyone has a chance to ask him something they want to know. :)

A chance to learn more about the guy who brought us the game we're all hopelessly addicted too...NationStates. :D

[b]Where: #nationstates and #nationstates_Q&A channels on irc.esper.net (IRC client required to access www.mirc.com )

Ok ... first of all Mirc = shareware... secondly...it has security holes in it. So please do not tell thousands of innocents to download that heap of crap. Try xchat.. www.xchat.org .... it is FREE and SECURE .... 2 adjectives that do not apply mirc!

Gnu World Order!

[b]Where: #nationstates and #nationstates_Q&A channels on irc.esper.net (IRC client required to access www.mirc.com )

Ok ... first of all Mirc = shareware... secondly...it has security holes in it. So please do not tell thousands of innocents to download that heap of crap. Try xchat.. www.xchat.org .... it is FREE and SECURE .... 2 adjectives that do not apply mirc!

Gnu World Order!

What security holes? Care to point to the latest public security hole?
But besides the point, I see XChat has a perl interface . . . I think I'm switching from mIRC :)

http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-829887.html

i am against invasions in general :evil:

Well when you Pony up the cash and buy the game from Max you can make them illegal, until then they are legal and I honestly feel that my question is valid, I have already recieved some good feed back on it saying it was well worded and all, Now all I await is an answer.

(personally I feel that they line of questionsin the last chat were, Syrupy, or Fluf. nothing really important was asked IMO)

It's my birthday the day after so I'll be getting drunk at that time... 10pm on a Saturday night, I think most of us will be in the pub!

I want someone to ask about the Invader Moderator issue,
We need to have a mod apointed to represent the invaders.
as I and others feel that they are being oppressed.
there are Neutral Mods, there are anti Invasion Mods there are Invader sympathetic mods, but there are No Mods with actual Invader experience.

I propose this question as a former invader who as I say above feels that the invaders are a Unrepresented yet legitimate player group who are being unfairly delt with at the hands of Moderation decisions and policy.


I think Invasions would be an interesting issue to address, especially considering that some see the anti-invasion rules whittling down the possibility of legal invasions on a regular or practical basis.

I think we should have the format it was in last time (A Q&A session). Anything else would be way to chaotic, and if we focus on one subject...then not everyone will get to ask Mr. Barry stuff they want to know about. Except maybe make the session longer...so everyone has a chance to ask him something they want to know. :)

A chance to learn more about the guy who brought us the game we're all hopelessly addicted too...NationStates. :D
If they do it that way, will you ask them about the t-shirts for me Bas? And possibly how many nations he has?

I won't be here then, but I'd love to know the answers.

Max Barry already knows what I want to know. As does everyone else.

I think everyone would agree that it's fair to hold it in a channel where NO ONE is banned. Like #MaxChat.

Let's take a vote. How many people think it's completely unfair for the #nationstates ops to decide this- Wait, bad poll.

Okay, how many people think it should be held in an unbiased channel?

Okay, how many people think it should be held in an unbiased channel?
Well I'm not gonna be there, but aye anywhen.

I think everyone would agree that it's fair to hold it in a channel where NO ONE is banned. Like #MaxChat.

Let's take a vote. How many people think it's completely unfair for the #nationstates ops to decide this- Wait, bad poll.

Okay, how many people think it should be held in an unbiased channel?Yeah, cos thats a fairer poll question :roll: :lol:

For the record, I am not banned from #nationstates, nor do I have anything in particular against any of the ops there, and I agree with Karma that they shouldn't have to unban those who have violated their channel policy.

However, I too find it highly unfair that this chat is held in such a subjective location. Why won't you even consider making another channel? (And no, I don't think we should move to a channel of FH's founding. Just make a new one!)

*puts up tentative hand*

I'd like to know what he thinks of forum streaking and Exploding chickens.

and the temples!

On-Topic: I think it should be a general chat like last time.

Off-Topic: As somebody who isn't banned from #nationstates, I agree that it seems a bit unfair to have the MaxChat in a room with so many bannees (too many to count, but you can get the list by typing /mode #nationstates +b in your EsperNet server window). However, last time CrystalBot provided transcription in #nationstates_outcasts for the benefit of the bannees, and as long as a bot is permitted to transcribe the chat in a channel with an empty banlist (if CrystalBot is unavailable, I'd be willing to set Friarbot up for that purpose) I don't have too much of a problem with it.

Observed:
chanserv Information for channel #MaxChat:
chanserv Founder: GhillieSuit_Foe_Hammer ([REDACTED])
chanserv Description: The Home of MaxChat!
chanserv Registered: Apr 05 13:29:20 2004 BST
chanserv Last used: Apr 06 04:59:12 2004 BST
chanserv Options: Topic Retention, Secure
chanserv Mode lock: +nt

On-Topic: I think it should be a general chat like last time.
Didn't last time already have prearranged topics? It seemed that way from the transcript.

Here's another question: "When's the Jolt move?"

Off-Topic: Goober I sent you a TM on Saturday just after you left. . .

On-Topic: I think it should be a general chat like last time.
Didn't last time already have prearranged topics? It seemed that way from the transcript.

Here's another question: "When's the Jolt move?"

Off-Topic: Goober I sent you a TM on Saturday just after you left. . .

Last time they accepted several questions, each on different topics.

I'll t-gram you back once I finish the UN proposal list.

Last time they accepted several questions, each on different topics.

I'll t-gram you back once I finish the UN proposal list.
Ahh, and now they are thinking about having it on just one topic. No, definately go for a multi-topical approach. ALthough yet again I can't participate (well, they say third time's the charm), it'll be much more interesting to read.

Why? You're no longer delegate?

Greetings to All and Sundry,

You could always have a discussion about what the Creator thinks about Invasions and how it has impacted the Nation States World, for better or for worse. It would at least liven up the conversation…

Grande Elector Bruce

The Green and Pleasant Dominion of The Bruce

This is the way I see it. These Q&A sessions are a special event hosted by #nationstates. If a user cannot abide by the /very/ simple rules, and gets banned, why should they be allowed one of the few benefits that the people who do follow the rules get? Start taking some responsibility for your actions, this victimization crap is getting really old.

Where do you get these Bots to keep your channel going if you are not there?

and how do you set up a channel?

Incidentally, I've worked out a method to relay channel conversations to another channel without Friarbot even being in the channel.

Where do you get these Bots to keep your channel going if you are not there?
and how do you set up a channel?

Type /msg ChanServ help - that explains most of the channel commands.

To register a channel, type /msg ChanServ REGISTER [channel] [password] [description]

Let me clear the air a bit.

1. There are Mods with invader experience. We do not allow Mods to actively participate in invasions as neither invaders nor defenders, and only as Natives as is reasonable - i.e., my region gets invaded, Neutered Sputniks is not UN, and therefore, I would not participate in the defense of my region by becoming a UN nation.

2. The Mods are not biased against invasions. We are simply biased in the interests of ALL players, not just those that enjoy the region-crashing aspect of this game - especially being as the region-crashing group is most definately the minority.

3. Claiming that it's unfair for MaxChat to be held in #nationstates is ridiculous. As Karma has stated, if an individual is unable to hold themself above the very low standard required to not be banned from #nationstates, that's their tough luck. Such is the price one pays for not adhering to the rules. There are a fair number of individuals who are banned from the forums, and yet no one argues that we should simply move the forums to a different server/website to allow them to post.

4. Invasions are NOT a God-given right. A fluke of the game, yes. One that Max graciously allowed to continue, yes. One that everyone wants a part of, no. Being as not everyone wants a part of it, rules have been implemented that limit the long-standing effects of invasions - i.e. no griefing, as griefing kills regions - whether it be through perma-banning of natives, mass-ejections and then refounding, etc.

Now that we've cleared that up...lets have some fun questions for Max.

3. Claiming that it's unfair for MaxChat to be held in #nationstates is ridiculous. As Karma has stated, if an individual is unable to hold themself above the very low standard required to not be banned from #nationstates, that's their tough luck. Such is the price one pays for not adhering to the rules. There are a fair number of individuals who are banned from the forums, and yet no one argues that we should simply move the forums to a different server/website to allow them to post.
Low standards how? I used to keep the channel open to watch the procedings, but my LAN is a piece of junk and constantly disconnects on me. After a #nationstates op warned me for leaving then rejoining the channel (which was utterly beyond my control, mind), I simply never came back to the channel.

THen there is Peng-Pau's example. 'Ria was banned for using the word "twat" which is considered far more more offensive in the States where Karma lives than in Britain where Peng lives.

Even ignoring the culture gap there, people tend to be a more relaxed on IRC than on on the forums. (I've only seem Myrth get angry or swear on IRC for instance.)

#nationstates has low standards like Singapore has lax laws.

Hardy har har, #nationstates_general has some pretty low standards, at least compared to the other channels I wander on when I am on Esper.net.

- Sovy K.

Let me clear the air a bit.

1. There are Mods with invader experience. We do not allow Mods to actively participate in invasions as neither invaders nor defenders, and only as Natives as is reasonable - i.e., my region gets invaded, Neutered Sputniks is not UN, and therefore, I would not participate in the defense of my region by becoming a UN nation.

2. The Mods are not biased against invasions. We are simply biased in the interests of ALL players, not just those that enjoy the region-crashing aspect of this game - especially being as the region-crashing group is most definately the minority.

3. Claiming that it's unfair for MaxChat to be held in #nationstates is ridiculous. As Karma has stated, if an individual is unable to hold themself above the very low standard required to not be banned from #nationstates, that's their tough luck. Such is the price one pays for not adhering to the rules. There are a fair number of individuals who are banned from the forums, and yet no one argues that we should simply move the forums to a different server/website to allow them to post.

4. Invasions are NOT a God-given right. A fluke of the game, yes. One that Max graciously allowed to continue, yes. One that everyone wants a part of, no. Being as not everyone wants a part of it, rules have been implemented that limit the long-standing effects of invasions - i.e. no griefing, as griefing kills regions - whether it be through perma-banning of natives, mass-ejections and then refounding, etc.

Now that we've cleared that up...lets have some fun questions for Max.

Neut, I like you and all but this,

Can I invade other people's regions?

Yes. The practice of "region crashing," where a group of nations all move to a region with the aim of seizing the UN Delegate position, is part of the game. Certain groups within NationStates are particularly adroit at this, and can attack very quickly.


Legitimizes Invasions as a Max given right. thereby invalidating a good portion of your post.
I appreciate your input but I want Max's word on it, that is why I posted my question here. And I want it answered out publicly so we can get a semifinalized answer.
Also, Im sure you and a few other mods have a little invader experience, but participating in or watching a couple are no where near the experience even I have.

and Personally, I completely agree with your part three, if someone is stupid enough to go and get themselves banned let them read the post game chat like those of us who will not be able to be there.
(I do request that someone tell Max Loop says Hi Preferably as the preamble to my querrie.)

Finally, Fun questions are one thing, however there is no need to shelter Max from the realities of the game. Ask some hard hitting ones and temper them with the everyday Fluf Querries and he will probably prefer a few serious questions anywho.

Likewise, wouldn’t the freedom of African American’s be considered an “accident” of American society? Of course not. It’s equally ridiculous to make the distinction that because it wasn’t an initial intent, that invasions are just an accident that still occurs by some loop-hole in what Max allows. The reality is it is something he didn’t intend, but is now fully legitimized. To me the need to describe invasions as the bastard-child of NationStates just goes to emphasize the lack of perspective that some moderators have on invasions.

You think you are fully objective. That’s great, and I believe that is a goal of the moderators. I have faith in all of the moderators in this regard. I don’t believe all moderators are honestly objective, though. The intent is right, but doesn’t always come out right.

In terms of fun questions, if this was put up for vote in a poll, perhaps no one else would want to know how Max feels about invasions. Still, why not put it up for vote? Lots of players play for invasions—either for them or against them. It is a vital part of the game. While questions like, “Isn’t NS the greatest?” may have been your intent, but I see no reason not to ask more applicable questions. I’m sure Max supports whatever you guys do, he has always been very supportive, just think it would be good to ask how he feels about invasions in general.


Real quick as to mods not playing as defenders, I don’t know if that is not accurate. There are at least 2 mods who are defenders. Your post would suggest that they in no way play the part of defenders—mean they don’t give intel, don’t plan defender strategy, don’t have anything to do with defending. I don’t doubt that they don’t use UN nations, but this is far different then not playing as defenders. While I wouldn’t mind if they did use UN nations, just trying to keep things clear and on the table.



Also, as a separate subject, it would be a good question to ask how he feels about Francos Spain. Though this also may not be considered “fun,” it would be “interesting.”

Either way, thanks for your response Neut. Even when it is not something we agree on.

I'd be wondering why his book Jennifer Government blatantly assumes that all corporations are inherently evil. In fact, if the mods ever allow me to ask, I'd definitely ask.

Then I'd ask for him to sing me Happy Birthday!

Also, as a separate subject, it would be a good question to ask how he feels about Francos Spain. Though this also may not be considered “fun,” it would be “interesting.”

<Treznor> "<Berserker> What's your funniest/favorite NS related incident"
<MaxBarry> oh boy
<MaxBarry> There have been so many...
<MaxBarry> But I think the situation with Francos Spain in the Pacific is right up there
<MaxBarry> You have this ruthless dictator presiding over a region and telling everyone that he's democratic and caring...
<Neutered_Sputniks> HA!
<Neutered_Sputniks> you mighta liked handling that one :P
<MaxBarry> As a satirist, I really enjoy that :)
* Scolopendra shakes his head and sighs.
<MaxBarry> Poor mods. :)
<Reploid_Productions> Max enjoys making the mods suffer =p

There are at least 2 mods who are defenders. Who do you mean?

What about the Invader/Griefer issues?


such as the kramerica thread. Why he allows the mods to be such meanies! And all that. I'll be there if that is the topic. If its lame like something about mod shrines, who would want to go there, cept for mods and their suckups?

3. Claiming that it's unfair for MaxChat to be held in #nationstates is ridiculous. As Karma has stated, if an individual is unable to hold themself above the very low standard required to not be banned from #nationstates, that's their tough luck. Such is the price one pays for not adhering to the rules.
The thing is, the bans can sometimes cover an entire ISP - such as paradise.net.nz, which has been banned outright for several hours at least once, and all of its dial-up addresses were been banned for a longer time at one stage (I'd guess over a week). I'd agree that there wasn't really any other option at the time (with the dynamic IP address and unresponsive ISP), but you can't assume that every ban affects only the person it needs to without the risk of someone being left out unfairly.

Legitimizes Invasions as a Max given right. thereby invalidating a good portion of your post.
I appreciate your input but I want Max's word on it, that is why I posted my question here. And I want it answered out publicly so we can get a semifinalized answer.
Also, Im sure you and a few other mods have a little invader experience, but participating in or watching a couple are no where near the experience even I have.

and Personally, I completely agree with your part three, if someone is stupid enough to go and get themselves banned let them read the post game chat like those of us who will not be able to be there.
(I do request that someone tell Max Loop says Hi Preferably as the preamble to my querrie.)

Finally, Fun questions are one thing, however there is no need to shelter Max from the realities of the game. Ask some hard hitting ones and temper them with the everyday Fluf Querries and he will probably prefer a few serious questions anywho.

Actually, it doesnt invalidate any of my post.
1. There are Mods with invader experience. We do not allow Mods to actively participate in invasions as neither invaders nor defenders, and only as Natives as is reasonable - i.e., my region gets invaded, Neutered Sputniks is not UN, and therefore, I would not participate in the defense of my region by becoming a UN nation.

2. The Mods are not biased against invasions. We are simply biased in the interests of ALL players, not just those that enjoy the region-crashing aspect of this game - especially being as the region-crashing group is most definately the minority.

Neither of these two points have didly squat to do with whether ivnasions are a right or not. They simply point out that A: Mods do not participate in invasions, but many of us do have experience and B: Not every person who plays this game wish to be involved in invasions - in fact, the majority dont.

3. Claiming that it's unfair for MaxChat to be held in #nationstates is ridiculous. As Karma has stated, if an individual is unable to hold themself above the very low standard required to not be banned from #nationstates, that's their tough luck. Such is the price one pays for not adhering to the rules. There are a fair number of individuals who are banned from the forums, and yet no one argues that we should simply move the forums to a different server/website to allow them to post.
This point has absolutely nothing to do with invasions, so...once again...your post has nothing to do with this.

4. Invasions are NOT a God-given right. A fluke of the game, yes. One that Max graciously allowed to continue, yes. One that everyone wants a part of, no. Being as not everyone wants a part of it, rules have been implemented that limit the long-standing effects of invasions - i.e. no griefing, as griefing kills regions - whether it be through perma-banning of natives, mass-ejections and then refounding, etc. Now, the funny thing is that in this quote I even state that Max has allowed invasions to continue. You completely ignored the meat of my argument - that is to say, you didnt address the fact that there are innocents out there who wish to have nothing to do with invasions, and there are innocent regions destroyed because a minority of players feel it is their God-given right to invade and as such should not be 'penalized' by having to allow the original inhabitants of a region certain rights.

Regardless of how much experience we may or may not have, the issue remains that invasions are inherently destructive. Being as the players themselves are unable/unwilling to minimize the permanent damage done to a region during an invasion, the mods have had to impose certain limits - allowing invasions to continue and at the same time limiting the destruction caused.

Now, care to address what I've posted, rather than rely on the same protests?

There are at least 2 mods who are defenders. Who do you mean?

There are at least two mods who are in Defender groups, I mean that and nothing more. I don't think they abuse their power, but see no reason to ignore this none-the-less. Tacital and someone else, can't think of who it is right now...

Regardless of how much experience we may or may not have, the issue remains that invasions are inherently destructive. Being as the players themselves are unable/unwilling to minimize the permanent damage done to a region during an invasion, the mods have had to impose certain limits - allowing invasions to continue and at the same time limiting the destruction caused.



And yet you claim to be consistently pro-invasions.

There are at least 2 mods who are defenders. Who do you mean?

There are at least two mods who are in Defender groups, I mean that and nothing more. I don't think they abuse their power, but see no reason to ignore this none-the-less. Tacital and someone else, can't think of who it is right now...

Actually Tac is the only one, and the extent of his actions in association in this regards is strictly observed.

Regardless of how much experience we may or may not have, the issue remains that invasions are inherently destructive. Being as the players themselves are unable/unwilling to minimize the permanent damage done to a region during an invasion, the mods have had to impose certain limits - allowing invasions to continue and at the same time limiting the destruction caused.



And yet you claim to be consistently pro-invasions.

Have I argued that invasions should not be allowed to continue?

Why is it all or none, Ackbar? I argue for a middle ground, why is that so hard for everyone to understand?

Invasions do have a place here, however, there have to be limits set to minimize the damage. Is that so terrible? Does that make me anti-invasion? I suppose if it's got to be Pro-invader or nothing, it does.

What amazes me, the Mods are accused of bias, and then when we try to take the middle ground, we get slamed for it...Make up your minds.

So basically My question isnt going to be asked.
I honestly dont feel like replying to your last post for me, as I wnat to get in a hour or so of HM AWL before bed, So, just tellme flat out

Will my question be asked during the chat?

I dont know. I'm just attempting to clear the air, and inform people of the facts. I believe that the question of whether Max likes invasions or not was asked previously, but I might be mistaken.

the Question isnt whether he likes them or not, it is whether he is going to appoint a Mod from the ranks of the invaders,


"I want someone to ask about the Invader Moderator issue,
We need to have a mod apointed to represent the invaders.
as I and others feel that they are being oppressed.
there are Neutral Mods, there are anti Invasion Mods there are Invader sympathetic mods, but there are No Mods with actual Invader experience.

I propose this question as a former invader who as I say above feels that the invaders are a Unrepresented yet legitimate player group who are being unfairly delt with at the hands of Moderation decisions and policy."

At this time, as has been the case for the past number of months, we are not in need of any new Mods.

This chat is open to everyone ? I'm gonna be there if possible.

I'm ready to grill max. And slap him in the face for sleeping with my sister. With a large trout of course.

So... we have to decide a topic for this?

I don't see why. I mean do you really think he's gonna want to sit there for all that time and talk to all us losers about the same thing? I don't think so. He's just gonna, pfft, and walk on by. :)

How about we talk about whatever comes to mind. Not so organized and nazi as it was before.

I want to know what Max's exact plans for NS2 are and an approximate date.

the Question isnt whether he likes them or not, it is whether he is going to appoint a Mod from the ranks of the invaders,

I thought that it was the mods who appointed new mods, and he just rubber stamped it. :?

Please watch the thread hijacking. A lot of the stuff in here could be best discussed in another thread.

As for the paradise.net.nz situaion...that has recently /resolved/ itself.

If you cannot access #nationstates, and do not believe you have been banned, please contact me on irc, and we will work to resolve the problem.

In case I won't be in the IRC (as Rejistania or sometimes Rejistan1a) can anyone ask him if he also goes on promotion tour for his book outside of the US? I am german and really would like to see him in person 8)

Please watch the thread hijacking. A lot of the stuff in here could be best discussed in another thread.

As for the paradise.net.nz situaion...that has recently /resolved/ itself.

If you cannot access #nationstates, and do not believe you have been banned, please contact me on irc, and we will work to resolve the problem.
great idea, Karma, better tell him in which channels you are so he can find your nick. You tend to change it several times.

Please watch the thread hijacking. A lot of the stuff in here could be best discussed in another thread.

As for the paradise.net.nz situaion...that has recently /resolved/ itself.

If you cannot access #nationstates, and do not believe you have been banned, please contact me on irc, and we will work to resolve the problem.
great idea, Karma, better tell him in which channels you are so he can find your nick. You tend to change it several times.


Well, #nationstates is a safe bet......

Regardless of how much experience we may or may not have, the issue remains that invasions are inherently destructive. Being as the players themselves are unable/unwilling to minimize the permanent damage done to a region during an invasion, the mods have had to impose certain limits - allowing invasions to continue and at the same time limiting the destruction caused.



And yet you claim to be consistently pro-invasions.

Have I argued that invasions should not be allowed to continue?

Why is it all or none, Ackbar? I argue for a middle ground, why is that so hard for everyone to understand?

Invasions do have a place here, however, there have to be limits set to minimize the damage. Is that so terrible? Does that make me anti-invasion? I suppose if it's got to be Pro-invader or nothing, it does.

What amazes me, the Mods are accused of bias, and then when we try to take the middle ground, we get slamed for it...Make up your minds.


There are a world of things we will never agree on, but I hope there are at least a couple we might be able to see eye-to-eye on:

1) Natives should have the upper hand, as should defenders. I don’t know how many times I have typed this sentiment in the forums, yet time and time again you accuse me of wanting no rules to limit invaders. I guess there is simply some confusion for you about this, but the more you type this the more you misrepresent how I have felt in this game for a very long time.
2) Describing something as inheritantly destructive will likely take you out as a candidate for advocate of said object. I’m not suggesting that you should be an advocate of invasions, and I have no problem with mods being defenders. But you have consistently presented yourself as pro-invasion. I have a very hard time seeing this based off of your comment. Now, this is what I really wish you would understand, tho seems lost when some read my posts: I think that you attempt to be fair and balanced. I don’t think you are corrupt, or any of the moderators (even if they were all defenders) break the rules to favor natives. I do, however, think you lack perspective to truly be balanced on the subject, and this is what we disagree with.

We agree that natives should have the upper hand, and I hope I can make it clear enough so you can understand how I feel on the subject.., this is the second time in the last couple weeks you have accused me of the opposite. What we disagree on: I don’t think you’ve found a balance that makes sense, it isn’t that I am against making a balance that favors the other sides of this game.

That's right! It is time for MaxChat2: The search for Max!

When: Saturday, April 17th, 2200 hours GMT (1700 CST)[/b]



Thats like 8am April 18th for me.......doubt i would be on then...

]If you cannot access #nationstates, and do not believe you have been banned, please contact me on irc, and we will work to resolve the problem.

Well, #nationstates is a safe bet......
Maybe it's because I never use IRC, but how would they find you in #nationstates if they can't access #nationstates ?

It is quite simple to contact someone directly on IRC, once their current nick is known.

More stuff for people who are non un members.

Ackbar, just because I'm admitting that invasions are destructive does not mean I am anti-invasion, rather, that I'm willing to address the nature of the beast, and attempt to balance the bar in such a manner that the destructiveness is minimized while still allowing invasions.

That was the whole entire point of the Password rule - it was intended to keep an invaded region from dying. Thus, the 'natives must be given access at all times' rule that was enforced by the password distribution and no banning rules.

Neut, Ackbar, back on topic, both of you. Either that or take it elsewhere.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

Will [dredd] and [violet] be at the chat again, too?

Will [dredd] and [violet] be at the chat again, too?

Good question.Well :?:

If they choose to show up.

If they choose to show up.

And that anwsers our question how :?:

If they choose to show up.

And that anwsers our question how :?:

they don't know either :P

If they do show up, do a /whois on them. :P

If they do show up, do a /whois on them. :P

I did at the last one. The question now is: Would Max be so devious as to set up two different IPs to make us think he and [violet] were different people?

If anyone needs my help with mIRC or getting connected, you can either telegram me or contact me over AIM. I'll help however I can. My screen name is: Basenji 101. I'm not on right now, because I'm having AIM troubles, but I'm hoping to get it fixed soon-ish.

~Bas

Interesting Catch-22 Karma.

- Sovy K.

If you're banned from #nationstates, you can watch the chat in #friarbot - I've set up a relay-script so that Friarbot (without actually being present in #nationstates, as I (Goobergunchia) relay it the text) will display the MaxChat in that channel. Friarbot will not be transcribing #nationstates on a regular basis - this is only for the MaxChat.

As a general note, I'm assuming that like last time, we'll be using our nation names as our nicks, not whatever we usually use.

Right on that, Goober. Nation names, please!

MAXCHAT 2 - T-MINUS 20 MINUTES!

Right on that, Goober. Nation names, please!

MAXCHAT 2 - T-MINUS 20 MINUTES!

Only 77 people right now... :(

Alrighty, folks, chat's over, and the official transcript should be going up in a couple of hours. (We would appreciate it if you guys don't post your own logs of the chat before then, please!)

Thanks to everybody who came, to Karma for organizing the damn thing, and mucho thanks to the Espernet administration for putting up with us! :wink:

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~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

And thanks to Myrth for just plain being Myrth!

:D

Ah missed it again, maybe having it on my birthday actually helps me not remember :?


arg.....not like I had a list of quesstions anyways, I must get that book! I need something to read anyways

The log is here!

http://pages.slu.edu/org/karmazin/MaxChat2.txt

Cool....

The log is here!

http://pages.slu.edu/org/karmazin/MaxChat2.txt

Word wrap is your friend...

At this time, as has been the case for the past number of months, we are not in need of any new Mods.

Except maybe one more defender mod. :roll:

Also nice choice of people to ask questions, we wouldn't want Max exposed to any of those evil invader/griefers.

Neut, Ackbar, back on topic, both of you. Either that or take it elsewhere.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

Sorry for responding to a moderator comment, will be sure to check the topic first. :twisted:

While we are on the subject, it is interesting that a question about invaders raised by myself and loop was challenged by the moderation staff as not being "fun" enough. However, when posed by a defender it was deemed perfectly fine to ask Max.

I don't think Mods are evil villians as many others do, so don't misread. I think many current moderators lack perspective to be objective or near objective on this issue. I am sure all moderators disagree with me.

Also, I admit my Q suggestion of "I think Invasions would be an interesting issue to address, especially considering that some see the anti-invasion rules whittling down the possibility of legal invasions on a regular or practical basis" is more pointed then Pope Hope's simply, what do you think of invasions.

That said, it seems thou dost protest too much, at least when I raised the issue.

That said, it was a great chat, sorry I missed it, and very glad Pope Hope was able to ask a clear and un-biased question about invasions.

Thank you.

Ackbar, Neut, I should apologize to both of you for being a tad curt, I was in a really bad mood that day, but there was an announced thread in this forum on topic for your posts and there seemed to be a real risk of this thread being hijacked.

Sorry.

The log is here!

http://pages.slu.edu/org/karmazin/MaxChat2.txt

Word wrap is your friend...

I couldn't agree more. I have a headache. :(

ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGG missed it again. I was busy all saturday :cry:

[size=10](my car and two other cars belonging to my friends all had problems on saturday while we were out and about :P)s Hack"]The log is here!

http://pages.slu.edu/org/karmazin/MaxChat2.txt

Word wrap is your friend...
ctrl+c
Start>run>"winword"
ctrl+v
problem solved ;)

Off to the Archive with this one! YARR!