NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok one of my Italian vassals recently spammed the regional boards,
well I asked him why he did it.
(he has yet to reply)
However he has been publicly warned by the Moderators,
Now I did not send the request for moderator intervention and have since forgiven him for his transgression, Now as I understand Founders Own the region and since I have forgiven him for spamming shouldnt the warning be recended?

Also can I request the name of the nation who reported him. I really dont like someone going above my head and all and I want to know who it is.

excellent question

My preliminary response (without having gone through any of the evidence or anything) is that no, the warning should not be rescinded. A Founder's authority extends to booting nations and passwording the region, but not to requesting warnings being removed.
Reasons to boot nations may vary from region to region (e.g. in one region you might be booted for being a neo-nazi, while in another you'd be welcomed with open arms), but region-board-spamming is a crime everywhere.

Regarding the request, I don't think we go in for that sort of thing.

Keep in mind that I'm not the mod who issued the warning.

Possible reasons this happened:
Someone in your region posted to the Getting Help page.
Someone outside your region randomly noticed and posted to the Getting Help page.
A Mod randomly noticed and took action.
None of these are "going over your head". While you are able to run the region as you see fit, regional members and standard users are allowed to report rules violations to the Mods (and, obviously, the Mods are allowed to presecute rules violations of their own volition). While it is noble that you have forgiven your regionmate, that doesn't indemnify them to the Mods, nor is it a pardon from our perspective. We may take this into account should there be further violations, but not necessarily.

Essentially, your pardon amounts to him/her not being ejected from your region.

[Edit: Bah, what Enodia said]

As Chief of Italian Security, I find this kind of annoying, as I recall from a post long lost, Founders are the owners of the region and can do with it as they please including allowing people to post Nonsence. I also recall at one time reading that regional requests for moderation need to come from the founder or delegate , not anyone who just happens to wander in.

(Italian Spam definitions are as follows, Multiple postings of hate, nonscence ect. and regional Adverts one isolated post of nonscence do not qualify, as our Delegate is a believer in Holy Mother Church and Her doctrine of Forgivness of Sin. )

Ink®, Make Kings of commoners and Puppies of Kittens.

As Chief of Italian Security, I find this kind of annoying, as I recall from a post long lost, Founders are the owners of the region and can do with it as they please including allowing people to post Nonsence. I also recall at one time reading that regional requests for moderation need to come from the founder or delegate , not anyone who just happens to wander in.

Yes and no. The Founder runs the region, but the Moderators maintain the game itself. Violations of game rules (ie: spamming) are in Moderator jurisdiction.

The logical continuation of Hack's response is as follows:

Because the region board is something which all region members would (under normal circumstances) read or attempt to read, spamming or flaming is something which affects all members. Thus, anyone can come to us and say "Nation X is spamming Region Y". The moderator response to this might be anything from a polite nudge in the right direction right through to a full-blown deletion but - and this is the important difference - the mod response is performed independently of the founder response. Generally speaking, the two will be similar - I've never come across a founder who wants people spamming regional boards multiple times, for example.
However, think about it as effectively being two separate judiciaries working at the same time. The founder can (for example) boot the spammer for "Crimes against the Region", while the mods might simultaneously give him a very strong warning for "Crimes against the Game".

As for the suggestion that it has once been said that only founders/delegates can make requests for mod intervention, that doesn't wash with me. If it was said, I'd have to assume it was said in error.

I think we're talking about the region "Italy" and the nation "Snake N Bacon". Correct?

If so, then for the record, I'm the Moderator who handled this.

I was responding to a week-old complaint filed in the Getting Help page (sorry for the delay, by the way; we're kinda busy). I didn't catch the original spammer being complained about, but I did notice window-breaking spam. Specifically, long, repeated strings of the letter "r". This is not acceptable in any region under any circumstances.

If "Snake N Bacon" is a long-standing resident of your region and you've chosen to forgive him amognst yourselves, then I could show some leniency on the grounds that this behavior is not as malicious as someone from outside the region coming in and trying to be a pain. If you can confirm this, then this is what I'll do. Keep in mind though, that (as Hack said) we Moderators are not required to show leniency in this regard; the last thing we need is spammers and other rulebreakers trying to push boundaries.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

I think we're talking about the region "Italy" and the nation "Snake N Bacon". Correct?

If so, then for the record, I'm the Moderator who handled this.

I was responding to a week-old complaint filed in the Getting Help page (sorry for the delay, by the way; we're kinda busy). I didn't catch the original spammer being complained about, but I did notice window-breaking spam. Specifically, long, repeated strings of the letter "r". This is not acceptable in any region under any circumstances.

If "Snake N Bacon" is a long-standing resident of your region and you've chosen to forgive him amognst yourselves, then I could show some leniency on the grounds that this behavior is not as malicious as someone from outside the region coming in and trying to be a pain. If you can confirm this, then this is what I'll do. Keep in mind though, that (as Hack said) we Moderators are not required to show leniency in this regard; the last thing we need is spammers and other rulebreakers trying to push boundaries.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Snake has replied to my question, he said his cat was on the keyboard and I beleive it as it has happened to me, my cat once sent a message on AOL IM consisting of a string of F's G's and T's about threee paragraphs long.

I thank you for your Leniency, as for the message you are reffering to, a nation from Italia the founder I beleive, posted a message in the regional message board several times in Italian asking people to come to his region accusing Italy of being a Dictatorship.

Viva Italy,
Viva Vespa,
Viva Audrey Hepburn,
Viva Cogitation !

Snake has replied to my question, he said his cat was on the keyboard and I beleive it as it has happened to me, my cat once sent a message on AOL IM consisting of a string of F's G's and T's about threee paragraphs long.

I thank you for your Leniency, as for the message you are reffering to, a nation from Italia the founder I beleive, posted a message in the regional message board several times in Italian asking people to come to his region accusing Italy of being a Dictatorship.

Viva Italy,
Viva Vespa,
Viva Audrey Hepburn,
Viva Cogitation !

A cat on the keyboard?

Hmmm....

Normally, we don't accept such explanations (plausible as they may be), but "Snake N Bacon" seems to be a long-standing member of your region and you are vouching for him.

Okay, given all of the above, I'm completely retracting the warning; "Snake N Bacon" now has a clean slate. However, he should take care to keep his pets under control. If this happens again and I suspect that I'm being had, then I'm not going to be happy.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Hmm. My cats have both jumped on my keyboard on occasion (and my musical keyboard, and my head), but I they never hit Lodge Message. Of course, although they've tried, they've never succesfully flushed the toilet like the cats I saw on Animal Planet yesterday either...

This thread should be used as a reference the next time someone claims that none of the NS Moderators ever listen to the players or give them a chance to explain their side of the story. 8)

Perhaps a Sticky is in order.

Not a bad idea, Loop. This thread details not one, not two, but three Moderators not only taking the time to listen to the players, but also answering all their inquiries in patient and elaborate replies. Not to mention the final decision that was made after evidence and testimony was presented in a respectful manner by the players affected by the initial ruling.

At the very least, everyone should have the link to this thread handy for the next 300 time a NUKE DA MODS thread is started. lol

Yea the mods involved above are prettu good folk,

I just hope Hack looks at his telegrams soon or sees the mod intervention request I lodged.

Yea the mods involved above are prettu good folk,

I just hope Hack looks at his telegrams soon or sees the mod intervention request I lodged.

Heh... handled it separately. It was mentioned on IRC, but, yeah, he's toast.

There's nothing to be gained by sticky-ing this thread that won't be gained by writing down the URL to refer people to in case of future anti-mod sentiment.

*does just that*

true and folks would just think you were blowing your own horn.

true and folks would just think you were blowing your own horn.

Fair enough, I'll just archive it. :)