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The Honest-to-God Truth about Moderation

The SLAGLands
13-12-2003, 08:40
When Hindsight Needs Reading Glasses:
The Honest-to-God Truth about Moderation from the Perspective of a Retired Mod

It's been about a week now (I believe) since I retired from moderation, and as I'm beginning to feel like I'm entering my last few days on NationStates, I think I'm entitled to give you all an insider's look at moderation--in essence, an assortment of whatnot from the inside.

What You Should Know about Moderating in General:

Yes, moderation is stressful. HIGHLY stressful. I cannot stress enough the stress involved. I kid you not, I would get up for thirty seconds to stir the Hamburger Helper in my kitchenette, then return to IRC to find at least five messages of "hey lock this topic: http:\\www.nationstates.net/forum/holycrapaspamthingingeneral.php" or "hey archive http:\\www.nationstates.net/forum/bitchinrp.php for me" or "Griefer 28248 sent me a telegram that said something bad about my dog!"

And don't even get me started on the terrors of the telegram box. "hey how did u become a game mod?" "U R ST00PID TEH MODS R SUX!!!!!!!!!11" "My region Eurasiastanistan was griefed by a bunch of guys who I'm sure are UN multis because they all came from the same region and then they said something bad about my dog!" There's a good reason why moderators get larger telegram boxes, I'll tell you that. Oh, and don't expect those telegrams to be answered, either. Your options are clearly presented: post in this forum or post to the "Getting Help" page. Can you blame us if we don't have much patience for being TGed constantly?

Ah, and then there are those times when you DO choose to act, those times when you have five minutes to go before your big movie starts and you're the only moderator around and a topic in General has reached 64 pages minus one post... and you make a tiny request that somebody contribute something meaningful to the discussion so you can lock the thread. BOOM. All at once, you're EVERYONE'S enemy. All at once, you're answering to an entire forum who is burning your name in effigy because now they have to start up "Club Superlove 358" all over again.

LORD, people.

No, I don't resent any of you guys. Not even Normack, in the face of that horribly enlightening "debate" we had. Not even the "het nederlandse topic" crowd who pretty much ripped my dignity a new one (in Dutch, no less!) after my initial refusal to archive their thread. Not even the spammers, the people who have bitched me out for no reason other than the fact that my name was green at the top of the forums, people who claimed that I could never possibly understand them because I don't listen because I'm a mod.

No. There's no point being bitter over that. That's stupid.

The fact of the matter is this: I took up a job. If I was expecting this job to be a cakewalk, I wouldn't have taken it. I needed to challenge myself, and moderation was just the challenge I needed. It challenged my ability to make snap decisions, and all in all, judging by the positive feedback I received, I didn't do half-bad at it. Sure, I screwed up sometimes, but I'd be more worried if I had done the job perfectly than if I had simply done a bang-up job. And I see no reason, honestly, to be angry at a bunch of people I've never met in my life over a few incidents that were fueled mostly by emotion. And let's face it: when you're calling me a "typical fat-ass American" because you disagree with my moderation abilities and when you're vehemently defending your stance that I'm the worst moderator as "just your opinion and not something you should have to substantiate," you're running on emotion.

No hard feelings, folks.

What You Should Know about the Moderators:

No, I should never have been a moderator. An odd statement coming from a retired mod, no? The fact of the matter is that this is entirely true. Prior to my becoming a moderator, I posted a thread addressed to [violet] requesting moderator status, and after that time, I frequently bothered several of the mods--namely Scolo, Rep, and Melkor--asking whether or not I was being considered for mod status. While I'm not questioning their decision, it is interesting to point out that these days, it is precisely this sort of behavior that the mods discourage, and it's a sure bet that if you're constantly asking if you can be a mod, you most certainly will not become one.

In short, had I not become a moderator when I did, there would've been no chance in hell of my ever becoming one. Funny, eh?

No, there are no conspiracies. Honestly. I kid you not. The only things the mods are truly hiding from you are a few private bitchings, the true identity of [violet], and the contents of the mysterious "Mod Admin forum"--which, incidentally, tends to be little more than Salusa pointing out game mechanic errors and Cogitation making absolutely positively sure that whatever he may have done five minutes ago, whatever he is doing right now, or whatever he plans to do five minutes from now is entirely within the boundaries of good moderation (Long sentences are bad, kids.). They don't sit around in these private boards, contemplating how they can screw over specific players, how they can jettison the General forum into the sea, how they can somehow IP ban godmoders from the site, or how Sheol was right and they are indeed a bunch of Nazi bigots. The mods are hiding nothing.

Yes, I do know [violet]'s true identity.

No, I'm not telling.

Yes, several of the mods can kill you with their bare hands. At least three of 'em have some degree of military training, and I'm inclined to believe that Stephistan is a ninja.

Yes, one of the mods can kill you with his bare feet. Honestly, Cog...

http://www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/4245.gif
"Stink about it for a moment."

Yes, I have come into conflict with the mods in the past. I believe the only mod I've never had a good ol' heated argument with is Tactical Grace, and that's just because we're never online at the same time. One particular incident had me swearing at the top of my Caps Lock key at no fewer than three other mods. It happens. We argue all the time.

Yes, the mods are human. Yes, I screwed up a few times, and yes, so did all of the other mods. It happens. We're people. Fortunately, as people, we also have the ability to move on after we make a mistake--and most importantly, to learn from that mistake. There's no need to call for a mod's head on a platter when you believe said mod has screwed up, because in my case, I was calling for my own head on a platter at times.

Yes, the mods indeed do think about ways to better serve the community. This is best demonstrated through the mod selection process. During one selection, we were contemplating selecting another member of the Triumvirate of Yut--a roleplaying group in which several of the mods participate. [violet] encouraged us to select mods outside of our "circle," a circle many of you on IRC are at least vaguely aware of. This resulted in the selection of several mods who wouldn't normally have come to mind, such as Cogitation and Sirocco.

Furthermore, the mods have frequently sought additions that understand specific communities. Stephistan, for example, largely became a mod due to the mod's unfamiliarity with the eccentricities of the United Nations forum. One of our biggest problems has been coming up with a good candidate from the General forum--largely considered an untouchable zone by some of this site's "elite" (read: elitist bastards... :P ). We were well aware that we didn't know much about it, and we were well aware that we didn't know the ins and outs of the community. Thus, the search continues for a good General forum mod.

Yes, the mods have spoken to Max Barry. And he's a class act. ;)

Yes, Reploid Productions is insane. Bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.

No, I don't regret being a mod. It was fun while it lasted. Would I do it again? Probably not, although [violet] seems to be laboring under this delusion that I'm going to come crawling back... :P

All in all, moderation was a good time and highly educational. I give it four stars out of five and reccommend it to those capable of handling the grotesque violence and bloodshed of moderation.
Automagfreek
13-12-2003, 08:48
No, you're wrong SLAG. All the mods do is pick on other players, they're openly biased about everything, and they enjoy making life miserable for everyone.

:roll:

C'mon kids, moderating isn't like that. SLAG is telling it like it is, although I have no experience modding on this site.
13-12-2003, 08:49
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Crazy girl
13-12-2003, 08:50
interesting to read, slag..

and as i asked tactical grace once..

Who the hell is crazy enough to become a mod anyway?
13-12-2003, 08:59
*raises hand*

One other thing which SLAG hasn't mentioned is that every single one of us with green names honestly wants this site to be the best it can be. If we step on people's toes while attempting to make it so, that's a hazard of life.
13-12-2003, 09:07
Well, the game rules suck. They are vague and leave alot of room for bias to interprete for any moderator to do with it as he/she pleases. It definitely sucks to be a moderator here, but players have a extremely hard time understanding all those rules, but the rulings are even harder to understand! Lol, I am not longer in the Cristmas spirit, now my puppet is forced to live with a bunch of grievers or move out!
Crazy girl
13-12-2003, 09:10
maybe this will bring back your christmas spirit? ;)

http://gingerbreadgift.com/Christ28.gif
Automagfreek
13-12-2003, 09:13
maybe this will bring back your christmas spirit? ;)

<snip>

Urge to kill rising...rising....RISING....
Crazy girl
13-12-2003, 09:15
well, then you come up with a nice christmas pic ;)

(suddenly thinks asking that maybe wasn't such a good idea)
Keeper of the Hall
13-12-2003, 09:45
" I'm inclined to believe that Stephistan is a ninja. "

Does her hubby now about this? :D

Nice 'inside' look there Slag :-)
The Eastern Bloc
13-12-2003, 10:10
You are the man SLAG. It's very rare to see someone go out on top... but it looks as though you managed to do it. If you do end up departing NS forever, you will be sorely missed by multitudes. You've come up with the funniest threads ever concieved on this site.

*shrugs*

Now I'm just waiting for the influx of people asking to be mod, seeing as you've retired...

Unless it's already happened.... which it most likely has. >_<
3 am Eternal
13-12-2003, 10:52
Now you're definitely not going back to being a Mod, may we start mildly deprecating you without fear?
Naleth
13-12-2003, 11:06
AHA! I knew they all the mods were just scheming in their secret mod cave all the time about ways to make the players feel bad! :wink:

Honestly though, that bit about mod conflicts is the best, IMO. Lets us see that the mods really are human and that they don't always agree.
Reploid Productions
13-12-2003, 11:21
Yes, several of the mods can kill you with their bare hands. At least three of 'em have some degree of military training, and I'm inclined to believe that Stephistan is a ninja.

So he says, while forgetting entirely the mods who can kill you with assorted weapons (such as Reppy's collection of katanas IRL!). If Stephistan is a ninja, what's that make me? (Granted, my sister and I earned the nickname of "The Psycho Samurai Sisters", so.... yeah.)
:P

Yes, Reploid Productions is insane. Bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.
And I completely blame Slag for it, too! :lol:
13-12-2003, 11:50
Slaglands,

We have never met, but I wish you the best of luck :)

You are correct to say that being a part of admin is stressful. I'm admin on two sites, which is why I started coming here...to just relax.
I've been perusing the forums and all of admin here has my sympathy.

Again, good luck :)

Cad
MrNonchalant
13-12-2003, 12:14
Well, the game rules suck. They are vague and leave alot of room for bias to interprete for any moderator to do with it as he/she pleases. It definitely sucks to be a moderator here, but players have a extremely hard time understanding all those rules, but the rulings are even harder to understand! Lol, I am not longer in the Cristmas spirit, now my puppet is forced to live with a bunch of grievers or move out!We're not griefers and your puppet should feel free to move out at any time. In fact we'd very much prefer it did. Oh, and I agree. The rules need a serious overhaul.
Emperor Matthuis
13-12-2003, 12:25
That was very interesting and insightful, why not put it in the archive because it is very interesting. Sorry to hear your quiting i've seen you handle things well especially the "debate" with Normack.

Emperor Matthuis
Spoffin
13-12-2003, 13:02
What I wouldn't give for five minutes inside the mod forum.

Also, see this thread for the real mod conspiracies. They've even got something on you SLAGLands.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103128&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
13-12-2003, 13:22
Goodbye SLAGlands
[violet]
13-12-2003, 13:30
That's a great post.

We'll need to retitle it when you give in and decide to mod again, though. :P
Stephistan
13-12-2003, 14:38
Good post Slags.. but you promised you weren't going to tell them about me being a ninja... :mrgreen:
Vonners
13-12-2003, 14:45
Great Post!

done it once...never again...
imported_Berserker
13-12-2003, 18:23
Good post Slags.. but you promised you weren't going to tell them about me being a ninja... :mrgreen:
PSSST.....DON'T TELL ANYONE, BUT STEPH IS A NINJA
TROUSRS
13-12-2003, 20:15
SLAGLands,

I can only feel sorry for you, because now I feel that I have caused you pain and trouble. Stupid little infrations of the rules that I have complained about only waste your time, I see this now. I am no longer blined by your green appearence.

I knew that a moderators job is stressful, or so I thought. I never looked at it before this way, but now I see moderating as 10 or so teachers trying to be big brother of 90,000 students, and not always very pleasant ones. And not only to just watch them, but to contain them. And now from even this post of yours, nowhere close to the real experience of moderating, I see that it's not as easy as it appears.

To people that complain that mods aren't fair: you're right. You're 100% right. But with a job such as this one, one that a few select individuals have volenteered, one that these individuals have chosen to suffer through, sometimes you can't be fair. Sometimes you do whats best for the majority, even if it's split 98% - 2% not in your favor, these mods have chosen for the better of the people, for you, and all you can do is whine.

SLAGs, I hope I still see you around, I enjoy your humor, I enjoy reading your role play. Good luck with whatever you plan to do.

Best wishes,
Brandon, TROUSRS player.
Static Prevails
13-12-2003, 20:21
SLAG, you were a good mod. Best of luck to you.
TROUSRS
13-12-2003, 20:25
]That's a great post.

We'll need to retitle it when you give in and decide to mod again, though. :P

You just won't give up, will you? :wink: :P
Myrth
13-12-2003, 22:09
Slagster you rock. Have fun doing whatever you decide to do :D
The SLAGLands
13-12-2003, 22:33
]That's a great post.

We'll need to retitle it when you give in and decide to mod again, though. :P

Oh God... [violet]'s trying to get in my head again... trying to make me a mod again... this can only mean one thing...

THE MIND POLICE ARE COMING!

http://www.adventuretoys.co.uk/products/tikes4029.jpg

Put on your tin foil hats, everyone! THEY'RE COMING FOR US ALL!
Gebraltica
13-12-2003, 22:43
Why stop at a hat?

http://www.carolynsclinic.com/images/finalaluminumalien.jpg
Myrth
13-12-2003, 22:47
Myrth
13-12-2003, 22:48
Aaah crap my session ended.
That was me ^^^
Santa Barbara
13-12-2003, 22:51
Hmm... while I don't disagree with your choice to not go crawling back to moddom (after all, being a retired mod gives you veteran status, while being a reborn mod just makes you the old career soldier who keeps getting passed up for promotion!) I know you were kidding about that "last days of NS" thing. What with the Emerald Heights just getting off the ground and all... you are stapled here. :D
Catholic Europe
13-12-2003, 23:13
That was an extremely interesting read, SLAG!

Although, I noticed that you are looking for a good general forum mod.... :wink: .....nah, I'm only joking. :P :D
Myrth
13-12-2003, 23:18
<--------- posted in General once! :D
Catholic Europe
13-12-2003, 23:19
<--------- posted in General once! :D

Hey, congrats!! :D
The Basenji
13-12-2003, 23:41
I have only the highest respect for you and what you do Slag. Thank-you for your contribution to the Nation States community, it will never be forgotten.

And yeah, not everyone is going to like you. But it's not the number of people that respect you, it's the amount they respect you. You have a few ass kissers, so you can't be that bad. :wink: :P

But not everyone is an ass kisser. Most like you for what you've done or said. You were an awesome mod, and I respect you all the more for resigning. Real life is more important then online life.

Thanks Slag, for being a great mod, person, and (I'd like to hope) friend.

~Bas
Phoebos
13-12-2003, 23:44
Real life is more important then online life.


What? Heresy!

Burn the infidel :twisted:
The Basenji
13-12-2003, 23:47
Real life is more important then online life.


What? Heresy!

Burn the infidel :twisted:

As much as I hate to admit it, it's true! :lol:
Myrth
13-12-2003, 23:48
Real life is more important then online life.


What? Heresy!

Burn the infidel :twisted:

As much as I hate to admit it, it's true! :lol:

LIES!
Catholic Europe
13-12-2003, 23:50
As much as I hate to admit it, it's true! :lol:

But you would love to become a mod....wouldn't you?
The Basenji
13-12-2003, 23:53
As much as I hate to admit it, it's true! :lol:

But you would love to become a mod....wouldn't you?

Yeah, I would.
Myrth
13-12-2003, 23:55
Wow guys, subtle!
TROUSRS
13-12-2003, 23:55
Why stop at a hat?

http://www.carolynsclinic.com/images/finalaluminumalien.jpg

Is that his dog? :shock:
Catholic Europe
13-12-2003, 23:58
Yeah, I would.

Just as I thought...
The Basenji
14-12-2003, 00:54
What do you mean by that? :?
Goobergunchia
14-12-2003, 01:39
Yeah, I would.

Just a note- Don't ask to be a mod, that usually only hurts your chances. "Let your actions speak louder then your words"

:P
The Basenji
14-12-2003, 01:42
He asked me a question, and I responded truthfully. I can't lie! :wink: And I did not ask to become a mod, I replied that I do have interests in becoming a mod.

There if a difference. :P
Qaaolchoura
14-12-2003, 01:44
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/templates/subSilver/images/folder_announce.gif
Pretty please?
Goobergunchia
14-12-2003, 01:50
Seconded.
Qaaolchoura
14-12-2003, 01:51
Real life is more important then online life.


What? Heresy!

Burn the infidel :twisted:

As much as I hate to admit it, it's true! :lol:

LIES!
Exactly. How can Bas of all people be such an utter politician. :shock: :o :evil:
Qaaolchoura
14-12-2003, 01:59
He asked me a question, and I responded truthfully. I can't lie! :wink: And I did not ask to become a mod, I replied that I do have interests in becoming a mod.

There if a difference. :P
And he would make a good mod.
Of course there are eight or nine people who I think would make good mods, and he comes in fifth, so I'm not sure that's really a compliment.
Goobergunchia
14-12-2003, 02:00
He asked me a question, and I responded truthfully. I can't lie! :wink: And I did not ask to become a mod, I replied that I do have interests in becoming a mod.

There if a difference. :P
And he would make a good mod.

True.
Emperor Matthuis
14-12-2003, 14:45
If [violet] gave you five minutes to decide if you wanted to become a mod i think most people would say yes apart from people who hate mods and think they're biased. But Bas i think you'd be a good mod i've read your many posts for a while

Emperor Matthuis
Myrth
14-12-2003, 16:11
If [violet] gave you five minutes to decide if you wanted to become a mod i think most people would say yes apart from people who hate mods and think they're biased. But Bas i think you'd be a good mod i've read your many posts for a while

Emperor Matthuis

This isn't a democracy though. It's the mods who decide.
Pope Hope
14-12-2003, 19:29
Okay! And back to the topic at hand.

Slag. I hope you're exaggerating about leaving NS. My positive experience here has quadrupled (something I didn't think possible, for I already loved spending my free time on NS) since meeting you. You have the ability to truly brighten my day, which I have especially appreciated this semester.

Since the minute you mentioned it on IRC (well, after the shock faded), I have respected your decision to resign from Mod-Hood. Although I feel that you were a respectable Moderator and that you are an honorable Op, I understand the way you feel and admire your ability to make that huge decision in such a solidified fashion. Also, after reading your above declaration, I had to laugh. Having Mod and Admin experience on other (smaller) forums, I completely relate (well, of course I do, you say). You eloquently worded an experience that is as taxing as it is rewarding.

We all enjoy reading your stories, RPs, poetry, and anecdotes here. We enjoy your witty banter and company in chat. We love you Slag, but...

(and I hate to do this...)

If you attempt to leave NationStates, I will be forced to accost you with MIND BULLETS.

That's right, MIND BULLETS. I hate for it to have to come to this, but the risks of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of my actions.

Now that we have that little issue settled...well said man! /me hands Slag a cookie. :wink:
imported_Terra Matsu
14-12-2003, 20:36
He asked me a question, and I responded truthfully. I can't lie! :wink: And I did not ask to become a mod, I replied that I do have interests in becoming a mod.

There if a difference. :P
And he would make a good mod.
Of course there are eight or nine people who I think would make good mods, and he comes in fifth, so I'm not sure that's really a compliment.

Official Text Zoom
Qaaolchoura
14-12-2003, 20:48
Official Text Zoom
*fires radioactive n00bs at Terra*
Spoffin
14-12-2003, 21:12
If you attempt to leave NationStates, I will be forced to accost you with MIND BULLETS.

That's right, MIND BULLETS. I hate for it to have to come to this, but the risks of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of my actions.

Now that we have that little issue settled...well said man! /me hands Slag a cookie. :wink:

LOL!!!!
The Basenji
15-12-2003, 07:21
Not Mind Bullets! With the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away! :shock:
Pope Hope
15-12-2003, 07:24
Yes, Bas. This is a grave situation that calls for drastic measures. Stand back, yon friend!
Cogitation
16-12-2003, 05:16
The only things the mods are truly hiding from you are a few private bitchings, the true identity of [violet], and the contents of the mysterious "Mod Admin forum"--which, incidentally, tends to be little more than Salusa pointing out game mechanic errors and Cogitation making absolutely positively sure that whatever he may have done five minutes ago, whatever he is doing right now, or whatever he plans to do five minutes from now is entirely within the boundaries of good moderation (Long sentences are bad, kids.).

/me bursts out laughing. :mrgreen:

Yes, several of the mods can kill you with their bare hands. At least three of 'em have some degree of military training, and I'm inclined to believe that Stephistan is a ninja.

So he says, while forgetting entirely the mods who can kill you with assorted weapons (such as Reppy's collection of katanas IRL!). If Stephistan is a ninja, what's that make me? (Granted, my sister and I earned the nickname of "The Psycho Samurai Sisters", so.... yeah.)
:P

...and don't forget! I can bore to death anyone with less than a college education using long-winded explanations about anything scientific! :lol:

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester
Qaaolchoura
16-12-2003, 05:28
The only things the mods are truly hiding from you are a few private bitchings, the true identity of [violet], and the contents of the mysterious "Mod Admin forum"--which, incidentally, tends to be little more than Salusa pointing out game mechanic errors and Cogitation making absolutely positively sure that whatever he may have done five minutes ago, whatever he is doing right now, or whatever he plans to do five minutes from now is entirely within the boundaries of good moderation (Long sentences are bad, kids.).

/me bursts out laughing. :mrgreen:
Somehow I have no trouble imagining that. . . :P