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I know that this is not likely in the near future, but to put a bug in the the ears of Salusa and [violet]:

Would it be possible to create a forum aboout in game activities?

I mean neither another RP forum, nor a new Tech Forum, but rather, a forum for discussing puppets, parody nations, UN rankings, in game empires, the ettiquite of region crashing, region hoppers, etc. That is to say a forum for those activities which are not truly role-play, but are semi-IC, and therefore fall in a sort of no-man's land between Technical, NationStates, Moderation, and General (which despite being techincally for anything would lose these threads too quickly to be discussed, I've tried it before).

Would this be plausble sometime in the future do you think?
Or do you feel that it would do nothing but stretch the moderators even thinner and chew up bandwidth for no real benefit?

sounds like a pretty good idea. And i doubt it would be too hard, all that they would have to do would click on admin, click on create new board and fill in the little boxes, unless these forums are more complex than all others I have seen...

but what would they call it???

sounds like a pretty good idea. And i doubt it would be too hard, all that they would have to do would click on admin, click on create new board and fill in the little boxes, unless these forums are more complex than all others I have seen...

AS far as I know it is easy to create forums, but hard to moderate large forums, and therefore they do not make new forums unless they feel that the benefit outweighs the cost.

but what would they call it???

When you consider the sense of humor of Repliod and [violet], I suspect something like "Get Your Game on"

When you consider the sense of humor of Repliod and [violet], I suspect something like "Get Your Game on"

true, or thell just go with the obvious and call it OOC: Gameplay or somthing like that

When you consider the sense of humor of Repliod and [violet], I suspect something like "Get Your Game on"

true, or thell just go with the obvious and call it OOC: Gameplay or somthing like thatFunny, I was going to suggest exactly that, and then I remembered the "Got Issues?" forum.

Assuming that the idea is plausible for sometime in the future when they have more mods and/or the mods have more time on their hands then it all depends on whether that was a long term joke.

Edit: 'K, not exactly, didn't notice the 'OOC:" I had been going to suggest calling it just "Gameplay" as it is partially IC:.

I think the profit would outweigh the cost in this case whatever the name.

Becasue then:

Semi RPers wouldnt piss off the serious RPers when they posted in the NS or II forum

and

Semi Gens wouldnt p[iss off all the serious Gens when they posted in the General forum

I think the profit would outweigh the cost in this case whatever the name.

Becasue then:

Semi RPers wouldnt piss off the serious RPers when they posted in the NS or II forum

and

Semi Gens wouldnt p[iss off all the serious Gens when they posted in the General forum

Well NS was designed to accomadate this to some extent, but only to accomidate regional affairs, II was not at all, Techical accomedates tis somewhat, Moderation, ery rarely (the crashing part only), and the rest, although techniacally belonging in General, just geyts drowned by the redundant political and chat threads.

I'm certainly hoping that the admin will find it a good idea, or that Salusa will, and make the case to the admin, but I doubt that it happen any time soon (if at all). The Archive Froum took over a month outside of the holidays (and it is non-moderated), and the Got Issues? was being called for since I've been here.

Some examples of threads that could go into this (hopefully)new forum:

godmoder talk---- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100845

flag services---- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100365

how is XMas celebrated in your nation---- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99511

RP sign-up threads

Store threads

deliberate Godmoding wars

regional adverts

national fact book entries

Some examples of threads that could go into this (hopefully)new forum:

1. godmoder talk---- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100845

2. flag services---- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100365

3. how is XMas celebrated in your nation---- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99511

4. RP sign-up threads

5. Store threads

6. deliberate Godmoding wars

7. regional adverts

8. national fact book entries
Numbers added for ease.

1. RP Related

2. yes, ths is nation related, although it fits in Techincal and NationStates

3. RP

4. RP (these threads are pointless anyways, the RPer equivilant of chat threads, only with slightly lss point).

5. RP

6. IC, but, I suppose that this might work

7. Part of the NS forum, but yes, this could go in a game forum

8. RP


Anything labeled with an "RP" indicates something that belongs in either NS or II.

What I am talking about are mainly threads which either do not exist yet, mainly as there is no place to put them, or threads that went in NS or General that got lost.

This would included"

1. Decriptions of Puppets on controls, and about other's puppets
2. Discussions on the merits of region crashing.
3. Methods that people use to occupy their time in the Game.
4. Discussions of the merits and etiquittte of Crashing/Anti-Crashing
5. Discussions about region hopping (not just BUnny, there are plenty of region hoppers with much smaller, more focused circuits.
6. Discussions about Semi-IC themed regions.
7. Showing off/discussing parody nations.
8. Discussion witty comments for mottos.

Also some things which would go in NS or Tech, but might work in this hypothetical forum:

1. Region Directories/Recruitment
2. Flag Services
3. Regional Forum directory?
4. Map Services (this is kinda iffy as it would fit in for Regional maps, but is kinda borderline IC, and National Maps definately are)

The RP stuff id definately a bad idea for a forum as I am suggesting unless it is inter-regional(crashing, hopping, with a theme).

Kind of a good idea, although I was under the impression that the "Nationstates" forum was partly for posting the ingame-interregional stuff, but it is basically an RP forum now I guess, and NS is supposed to be IC. I can see the advantage, but on the other hand, I would be dazed and confused and have to spend even more time on NS to check the new forum. On second thought though, unless they add a few more hours to the day, It wont be physically possible for me to spend more time on NS :o

How about calling a forum where you discuss the game rather than play it "Meta"?

How about calling a forum where you discuss the game rather than play it "Meta"?
I don't get it. (BUMP)

I think this is a good idea...kind of like a global Civil Headquarters.

Meta is Greek for 'beyond'.

Meta is Greek for 'beyond'.
Ahh. Thanks Siro.

like a global Civil Headquarters.
Even better. Civil HQ are not threaded.

Bump.

Could somebody bump this when they see Salusa or [violet] listed as active users in the Tech forum?

Topics such as this currently belong in NS.

Topics such as this currently belong in NS.Topics about puppets, in game empires, and region hopping? :shock:

I'd thought that NS was basically an IC General forum.

Topics such as this currently belong in NS.Topics about puppets, in game empires, and region hopping? :shock:

I'd thought that NS was basically an IC General forum.

I think the NS forum is a general place for talking about anything involving the game.

I think the NS forum is a general place for talking about anything involving the game.
Oh good. Then I have a place to put my thread ideas after all, and should the RP Superpowers flame me (they tend to be quiter er. . . protective of their turf) I have a retort.

*looks sternly at Bas*

"And before you start, I have some words abot General ForumRoyalty that I could share as well." ;)

This would be nice, but it doesn't sound like it's going to happen.

Just in case it might, I'm posting. [tag]

I kinda thought the NationStates forum served this purpose... semi-IC talk about gameplay. And II was for hardcore RP. But then, I honestly don't read those forums very thoroughly, so the mods probably have a better idea of what's suitable than I do.

There's no technical reason why we can't have more forums; it's just that I don't like splintering the community unless there's a really good reason.

I always thought that the NS forum was more of a diplomatic area, and II was more for wars and tht kind of thing...

I think this forum if created is more for OOC discussion about gameplay

The only problem I can see with this is that traffic in the forum would increase (and all the bandwiidth issues that go with it)
Most of the nations who dont RP but participate in inter-regional stufff(crashing etc) tend to stay away from the forums unless moderation or some technical help is needed. There just isnt anything for us here except some curios.
So yeah I think its a good idea, if anything it might bring the community together a little, attract new rpers that kid of thing.

]I kinda thought the NationStates forum served this purpose... semi-IC talk about gameplay. And II was for hardcore RP. But then, I honestly don't read those forums very thoroughly, so the mods probably have a better idea of what's suitable than I do.

There's no technical reason why we can't have more forums; it's just that I don't like splintering the community unless there's a really good reason.
That's true, but all the n00bs flocked to II to nuke each other, and the hard core RPers own NS. They don't take too kindly to in-game but only semi-serious RP. I'm a huge in-game RPer, but I wouldn't touch NS or II with a ten foot pole :p

So SiswaiAman is right, and I'm definitely one of those people who would post in the forums more often if we got this new forum. You probably would end up with more traffic.

I'm definitely one of those people who would post in the forums more often if we got this new forum. You probably would end up with more traffic.
As am I, but as I already post a lot in Nuts & Bolts, it wouldn't really be noticable. Although I think that we might see more of Crazy girl and nothing.

Still, I'll definately try NS for puppet discussion (but if I get flamed, I'll blame [violet] and Sal :P )

Topics such as this currently belong in NS.Topics about puppets, in game empires, and region hopping? :shock:

I'd thought that NS was basically an IC General forum.

I think the NS forum is a general place for talking about anything involving the game.

Then how come the RPers have it under a stranglehold?

I have created a thread to test the waters and see if the NS forum is truely salvageable to its original intent.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101549

Thanks Qaaol. I'll post there and keep up with it as well, as this is exactly the kind of thing I want this propsed forum to be for.

Well, while its mainly RP ers posting in your thread, at tleast none of it is bashing.

I was thinking, what about making a list of current threads on in-game gameplay? Tedious, and not an ideal solutuion but it might help in the interim. Course we'd have to physically go through the forums and drag them out. . . . . actually maybe its not such a good idea, I dont know?

The NationStates forum is a RP forum and nothing about NationStates is discussed like wars, alliances or whatever and i don't like RP because i'm bad at it

Emperor Matthuis

Well, while its mainly RP ers posting in your thread, at tleast none of it is bashing.

I was thinking, what about making a list of current threads on in-game gameplay? Tedious, and not an ideal solutuion but it might help in the interim. Course we'd have to physically go through the forums and drag them out. . . . . actually maybe its not such a good idea, I dont know?

Well this is the thread idea that I have that was leat likely to be flamed, but RPers tend to try to avoid the risk of breaking any rules, for rather bvious reasons, so I won't be too worried. It would be nice to have a forum where people like the several who have already said that they do not post much for lack of a forum like this posting more, and to have a place to post threads about in-game activities, unhibited by te fear of being accused of spamming the NS forum.

*sigh*

get everyone who plays ingame that you know, but who dont use the forums to post here. maybe if [violet] sees that there is enough demand he'll put one in?
Well thats what im going to do . . .

get everyone who plays ingame that you know, but who dont use the forums to post here. maybe if [violet] sees that there is enough demand he'll put one in?
Well thats what im going to do . . .
I don't know very many, but I'll try. Maybe I can get some crashers, defenders, and NS animals(well the ones tat are clearly not puppets anywhen) to help.

*shrugs* The basic problem here is that the people active in-game never come to the forums because there's nothing for us here. I only recently got involved, and it's really only in Nuts and Bolts that I care to read/post. The majority of people that I know in-game never come to the forums unless it's to whine about something in Moderation.

I agree a new forum for OOC discusion about the game is long over due, it should probably go in the Nuts&Bolts catagory.

Warning, this post is long.


Would it be possible to create a forum aboout in game activities?

I mean neither another RP forum, nor a new Tech Forum, but rather, a forum for discussing puppets, parody nations, UN rankings, in game empires, the ettiquite of region crashing, region hoppers, etc. That is to say a forum for those activities which are not truly role-play, but are semi-IC, and therefore fall in a sort of no-man's land between Technical, NationStates, Moderation, and General (which despite being techincally for anything would lose these threads too quickly to be discussed, I've tried it before).

I have to be honest with you, I all but refuse to go to General forums, I have heard that they occasionally devour lost nations, as it seems like a black hole with teeth at times… So, I want to get a better idea of what you are suggesting. Would this be a place to talk about actual happenings in the game, VS Rp ascpects of the game. Is this the idea behind this? Sorry, I hadn’t posted on this til now, sort of didn’t understand it, waited for clarity. If I have it wrong, please attempt to clarify what this forum would have, that is not already present. You must understand, I believe I am part catfish and can sometimes be dense.

Ends up I am part scorpion too, who knew?




Guess I will quote your description by number and respond, likewise by number.




What I am talking about are mainly threads which either do not exist yet, mainly as there is no place to put them, or threads that went in NS or General that got lost.

This would included"

1. Decriptions of Puppets on controls, and about other's puppets
2. Discussions on the merits of region crashing.
3. Methods that people use to occupy their time in the Game.
4. Discussions of the merits and etiquittte of Crashing/Anti-Crashing
5. Discussions about region hopping (not just BUnny, there are plenty of region hoppers with much smaller, more focused circuits.
6. Discussions about Semi-IC themed regions.
7. Showing off/discussing parody nations.
8. Discussion witty comments for mottos.




1. What do you mean by “Decriptions of Puppets on controls, and about other's puppets,” do you mean someone would list their own puppets? If so, can’t see why they would (or rather, can’t see why any spy or invader player would ever list his/her puppets. If this is what you suggest, what do you think about such players? If I am wrong, please explain what I missed.
2. I am always up to discussing this issue. Fair invasion (the minority), failed invasions (the majority), defenders who invade, invaders who invade defenders, what have you. There would still have to be a splash of using Moderation forum from time to time. That said, most threads on invasions have no need for moderators, they are rules that have been said, again and again. So, a speperate place to stow these would be nice.
3. I like this idea.
4. So far these discussions have fit in Tech, but I agree this is a good idea. Threads on Crashing etiquette are almost always a reaction to a failure to meet the NS community’s standards, they are a reaction to someone greifing. It would be nice to have an active discussion about this from time to time, could help avoid some griefs.
5. Don’t nationbots (I call them this because NS Bunny and other hoppers are most likely a program) sort of fit into NationStates forum? I don’t go in there, so I wouldn’t know.
6. Thinks this would be a situational thing.
7 and 8 seem alright, simple enough to not warrant individual comments.



How about calling a forum where you discuss the game rather than play it "Meta"?
I don't get it. (BUMP)

US political reference I believe. Specifically, I believe it was Howard Dean who made the comment he was a MetaSexual. It then became the buzz word that quickly lived out it’s welcome. I do recall the author of the term saying he wished he never created the pop culture buzz word.


]I kinda thought the NationStates forum served this purpose... semi-IC talk about gameplay. And II was for hardcore RP. But then, I honestly don't read those forums very thoroughly, so the mods probably have a better idea of what's suitable than I do.

There's no technical reason why we can't have more forums; it's just that I don't like splintering the community unless there's a really good reason.
That's true, but all the n00bs flocked to II to nuke each other, and the hard core RPers own NS. They don't take too kindly to in-game but only semi-serious RP. I'm a huge in-game RPer, but I wouldn't touch NS or II with a ten foot pole :p




This is a good argument in favor the prescribed forum.

I have created a thread to test the waters and see if the NS forum is truely salvageable to its original intent.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101549

I am interested in seeing how this thread goes in the forum it is in.

Warning, this post is long.
And hence so is the response


I have to be honest with you, I all but refuse to go to General forums, I have heard that they occasionally devour lost nations, as it seems like a black hole with teeth at times? So, I want to get a better idea of what you are suggesting. Would this be a place to talk about actual happenings in the game, VS Rp ascpects of the game. Is this the idea behind this? Sorry, I hadn?t posted on this til now, sort of didn?t understand it, waited for clarity. If I have it wrong, please attempt to clarify what this forum would have, that is not already present. You must understand, I believe I am part catfish and can sometimes be dense.

Ends up I am part scorpion too, who knew?

Yes actual aspects, as I mentioned below, those would be just some of the things. The only RP realatting things would be discussion of in-game RP (as when those French-themed nations invaded The United States, and when those region hopping gesse went through the North AMerican regions[/quote]

1. What do you mean by ?Decriptions of Puppets on controls, and about other's puppets,? do you mean someone would list their own puppets? If so, can?t see why they would (or rather, can?t see why any spy or invader player would ever list his/her puppets. If this is what you suggest, what do you think about such players? If I am wrong, Er- I'm not quite sure what that should have said literally, but I meant lists of puppets that people want to share and decriptions of puppet regions
2. I am always up to discussing this issue. Fair invasion (the minority), failed invasions (the majority), defenders who invade, invaders who invade defenders, what have you. There would still have to be a splash of using Moderation forum from time to time. That said, most threads on invasions have no need for moderators, they are rules that have been said, again and again. So, a speperate place to stow these would be nice.
Exactly why I put this. About once a day I see somebody posting what becomes a fight between invaders and defender in Moderation
3. I like this idea.
Thanks. I have some rather interesting ways, including one which I call "region hawking"
4. So far these discussions have fit in Tech, but I agree this is a good idea. Threads on Crashing etiquette are almost always a reaction to a failure to meet the NS community?s standards, they are a reaction to someone greifing. It would be nice to have an active discussion about this from time to time, could help avoid some griefs.
Far better than I could have phrased it.
5. Don?t nationbots (I call them this because NS Bunny and other hoppers are most likely a program) sort of fit into NationStates forum? I don?t go in there, so I wouldn?t know.
I don't know, but the only time that I've seen the Bunny post post, it was in Tech.
6. Thinks this would be a situational thing.
Yes, which is why it would be nice to have a forum for it.
[quote=Ackbar]7 and 8 seem alright, simple enough to not warrant individual comments.

'K


This is a good argument in favor the prescribed forum.
I didn't know why until he said it, but I did know that NS is treated like an RP forum, and even regional adverts are either ignored or attacked.


I am interested in seeing how this thread goes in the forum it is in.
Well it worked per-se, although I'll see what happens when I put some of my more extreme thread ideas in come winter break, as I mentioned above, regional adverts are ignored or attacked, and its almost sole demographic is now RPers.

That's true, but all the n00bs flocked to II to nuke each other, and the hard core RPers own NS. They don't take too kindly to in-game but only semi-serious RP. I'm a huge in-game RPer, but I wouldn't touch NS or II with a ten foot pole :p

This is a good argument in favor the prescribed forum.

I didn't know why until he said it, but I did know that NS is treated like an RP forum, and even regional adverts are either ignored or attacked. She.

And in an effort to make this post not completely useless, I agree with Qaaol on most all of his points above.

I do think a forum like this would be really neat, but we'd just have to see how many in-game RPers like us would truly use it. I know I would, but how many of the other in-gamers you know actually visit the forums for more than mod whining?

I do think a forum like this would be really neat, but we'd just have to see how many in-game RPers like us would truly use it. I know I would, but how many of the other in-gamers you know actually visit the forums for more than mod whining?
Yeah, thats what I thought when I saw this idea. Also, for invasions and stuff, a forum isn't much good, because everyone can see it.

Somewhere to put region ads and some kind of RP that transcends into the gameplay side would be really cool though. I could be be fighting my war on three fronts.

Ok, there's been some really good discussion here. This thread is being pointed out to the forum admin.

Ok, there's been some really good discussion here. This thread is being pointed out to the forum admin.

w00t!

Ok, there's been some really good discussion here. This thread is being pointed out to the forum admin.

w00t!
Yes!!!

I'll see if I can get some more attackers, defenders, NS nations, and bunny himself to post.

...good discussion...
:shock:

Sorry for that reaction, I'm a general forumite, I'm not used to people (esp mods) saying that. :lol:

well, first, there was something in the description of the nationstates forum, that it was for IC talk, so we posted a few OOC threads about the game in general, not knowing where it belonged.

now they just took away the IC comment in the description, and nationstates contains IC and OOC threads..

i would like to have a seperate forum for OOC game talk, so i can read that which is interesting for me, without having to dig through a lot of IC threads (since i'don't RP)

Bump cos I think this'll be a really good idea actually.

Rememeber what I said about recruitment threads in NS?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104319

Let us try this. . .

Bump cos I think this'll be a really good idea actually.
Why thanks Spof. :D

Let us hope that the admin see the support that this is getting.

Rememeber what I said about recruitment threads in NS?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104319

Let us try this. . .
Good luck

Actually, you've got a slightly original idea, so you might do ok. The last time I tried a region ad, they practically ran me out of town.

mmm, all the threads are drowning in all those RP-threads..

Rememeber what I said about recruitment threads in NS?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104319

Let us try this. . .
Good luck

Actually, you've got a slightly original idea, so you might do ok. The last time I tried a region ad, they practically ran me out of town.Let me try a regular region add.

Heck, Anatolia, The Windark Sea, or my main region, do you think?

the smallest one you got :twisted:

I have a whole buch of small ones.

I want to make a point without flamebait, so I guess that I'll do Venezuala. I'll create a puppet, Hugo Chavez, as I've been meaning to do for a while, and call for the creation of a left-wing region in Venezuala (currently, Simon Bolivar, a puppet of mine, is the only nation in there))

I will use spelling and grammer as immaculate as I can (and keep in mind, as you can see by my posts, most spelling and grammer in NS is horrendous) and polite as possible, so that there can be no claims of attempts to manufacure evidence)

With luck, the reaction should be one more aguement in favor of tis new forum.

good luck, i'll be watching, this should be interesting ;)

:P (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2364774#2364774)
click the smiley

have you posted it yet? i can't find it..

That's true, but all the n00bs flocked to II to nuke each other, and the hard core RPers own NS. They don't take too kindly to in-game but only semi-serious RP. I'm a huge in-game RPer, but I wouldn't touch NS or II with a ten foot pole :p

This is a good argument in favor the prescribed forum.

I didn't know why until he said it, but I did know that NS is treated like an RP forum, and even regional adverts are either ignored or attacked. She.



If you prescribe to the theory [violet] is (still) Macx, the IC poster is a she, the OOC is a he. Either way, small deal.

Ok, there's been some really good discussion here. This thread is being pointed out to the forum admin.

Great. Reading, and posting and then reading some more, I think there is a good justification here made for a new forum.


Qaaolchoura, good suggestion. Well thought out.

ackbar,i think unfree didn't mean [violet], but herself ;)

ackbar,i think unfree didn't mean [violet], but herself ;)

I like to play the part of the person who just made a mistake. Looks like I played the part again, thanks. :wink:

i have no idea what you just meant with that, but you're welcome ;)

(and we all make mistakes..)

Another thing that this would be useful for is posting news. Regions get invaded, delegates get deposed, big players leave... but its not easy to find out about. We could see whats happening outside of our own regions.

I'm invisioning a sticky with a timeline of inter-regional events...

Also, TG's regional directory would be given a more appropriate home, where people might find it really useful.

Another thing that this would be useful for is posting news. Regions get invaded, delegates get deposed, big players leave... but its not easy to find out about. We could see whats happening outside of our own regions.

I'm invisioning a sticky with a timeline of inter-regional events...

Also, TG's regional directory would be given a more appropriate home, where people might find it really useful.
Why didn't I think of that?

There already is one in NS, but it is starting to get covered with RP events instead.

Agreed. :idea: Or better yet a seperate sticky.
I was almost done with my own post on the matter, when TG became modified, so I stopped it for three obvious reasons.

Another thing that this would be useful for is posting news. Regions get invaded, delegates get deposed, big players leave... but its not easy to find out about. We could see whats happening outside of our own regions.

I'm invisioning a sticky with a timeline of inter-regional events...

Also, TG's regional directory would be given a more appropriate home, where people might find it really useful.
Why didn't I think of that?

There already is one in NS, but it is starting to get covered with RP events instead.

Agreed. :idea: Or better yet a seperate sticky.
I was almost done with my own post on the matter, when TG became modified, so I stopped it for three obvious reasons.
Theres already a inter-regional events sticky you mean?

And... seperate sticky... for what?

Theres already a inter-regional events sticky you mean?

And... seperate sticky... for what?
Well announcement, but as I said, is about half RP events, despite [violet]'s warning that only very major non-in game events be mentioned.

After all the RPers do consider NS their turf, yet another arguement for this forum. . .

A seperate regional directory.
As I mentioned I started my own which would be more fair to smaller regions, and then stopped when TG was modifed, and of course, now that he has raised the threshold even higher. . .

ackbar,i think unfree didn't mean [violet], but herself ;)

I like to play the part of the person who just made a mistake. Looks like I played the part again, thanks. :wink:

Yeah, CG was right. I get tired of everyone thinking I'm male after a while. Sorry to bring you in the cross fire there, Ackbar ;)

And again, I really think a lot of good arguments are being made for a seperate forum here. The threads that we do start in NS for our regions, etc, quickly die under the more serious RP.

And again, I really think a lot of good arguments are being made for a seperate forum here. The threads that we do start in NS for our regions, etc, quickly die under the more serious RP.
ANd when they do get responses, as often as not they are. . . unpleasant. (though not enough to be considered flames)

Another thing that this would be useful for is posting news. Regions get invaded, delegates get deposed, big players leave... but its not easy to find out about. We could see whats happening outside of our own regions.

I am not taking away from your suggestion at asll, I agree this could be good, but just wanted to mention there is an off-site news forum if you are not yet acquainted with it:

http://networkradio.proboards21.com/index.cgi

Salusa, would you consider letting us know whether the forum admin have reviewed this thread and began discussing it yet? :|

I understand that you don't want to reply to my TM on the matter, I'd have been suprised if you had, but I'm just dying with the eighth deadly sin of curiousity. :)

I had a new idea, or rather an extension, on this forum. I warn you now, I think this is likely a very bad idea. I want to throw it out there though.


This proposed new forum could be a place a place to discuss other forum threads. I know this part has been suggested already, and this part is likely not controversial.


My suggestion, to close the Moderation forum to replies from non-mods. There has been posts for a while that this is a problem (not that it matters, it is now deflated .02 cents equivalent has reached a new low at being traded, and I can now only give .09 cents per post). Anyway, there have been posts from mods and others that “Mod Wanna-Be’s” are hurting the Moderation forum. In addition, I have posted that wrong answers have become a problem (though apparently not enough of a problem for others to post about this). Regardless, it seems that there might be a need to reconsider the moderation forum.

Well, my suggestion would be, if technically possible, to change the Moderation forum so that nations can start threads, but no one can respond to a thread in there except for Moderators.

This idea frightens Fraggle Rock out of me. It’s not that I don’t trust mods, just I don’t like the idea of cutting out discussion, disagreement, or delusions about moderator actions. Which is where I combine this idea with Qaaol’s idea.

We could cut out discussion in the moderation forum, and open this new forum to thread discussions such as are currently appropriate in the Tech or Mod forums.


It is a bad idea, but I would like opinions.

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I'd assume that it wouldn't be to hard for one of the forum admins (rep or violet) to set up Moderation so that normal players can only start topics in it.

However, I think that this is a bad idea. It means that if you start a thread in moderation, you would need to have your whole argument in the topic post, since you couldn't reply (not to mention being unabl to reply to mod questions). Unless there is a setting for "can [not] reply to own threads" of course.

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However, I think that this is a bad idea. It means that if you start a thread in moderation, you would need to have your whole argument in the topic post, since you couldn't reply (not to mention being unabl to reply to mod questions). Unless there is a setting for "can [not] reply to own threads" of course.

I think that this is a bad idea as it would limit players answering questions which have already been answered, or if the question is in the wrong forum as often happens, or when players are posting links to offensive threads by one player. . .

Why not just discipline the mod wannabes?

And Ack, I really want to see this forum come into being, which it definately won't if the forum admin have to read through pages of arguements on what to be done with annoying mod wannabes. So could we try to keep this on topic?

Another thing that this would be useful for is posting news. Regions get invaded, delegates get deposed, big players leave... but its not easy to find out about. We could see whats happening outside of our own regions.

I am not taking away from your suggestion at asll, I agree this could be good, but just wanted to mention there is an off-site news forum if you are not yet acquainted with it:

http://networkradio.proboards21.com/index.cgi

Yeah, I have heard of it. But... its not accessable in the same way as another forum would be. Also, while its good that people make linked sites, it seems to me we shouldn't have to rely on outside sites for such a large portion of the game.

And Ack, I really want to see this forum come into being, which it definately won't if the forum admin have to read through pages of arguements on what to be done with annoying mod wannabes. So could we try to keep this on topic?

Going to read through all the posts tommorow, but if you read the entire post you will see it is on topic, and not really oh so much about the wannabes.

As founder and delegate of mercia the next generation i post my support.

edit: Hmm it posted under my other nations name.
whhopps.

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I'd assume that it wouldn't be to hard for one of the forum admins (rep or violet) to set up Moderation so that normal players can only start topics in it.

However, I think that this is a bad idea. It means that if you start a thread in moderation, you would need to have your whole argument in the topic post, since you couldn't reply (not to mention being unabl to reply to mod questions). Unless there is a setting for "can [not] reply to own threads" of course.

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Excellent point, though I would imagine there would be a way around that complication. Hmmm. It would be complicated, but it seems like a Moderation thread could be set up so that when a person starts a thread they give permission to post on that individual thread only.


I think that this is a bad idea as it would limit players answering questions which have already been answered, or if the question is in the wrong forum as often happens, or when players are posting links to offensive threads by one player. . .

This is along the lines of why I would be against this, only that as suggested, the new forum you are proposing could be used for discussing in-game fourm events. In other words, if you have an issue that needs moderation, go to the Moderation forum and post. If you want to see what other players feel about this, and want to see a discussion between the mods and players go to the Qaaol Forum (doesn’t have a name, so just named it after you for the moment).


Why not just discipline the mod wannabes?



This isn’t just about the Mod wannabes, that was just an example. This really has to do more with Neut. I have seen several complaints of people posting on threads that are for GMs, not for players. Well, this suggestion would take care of it. We could still have a voice about game events, but it would not interfere with moderation when and as needed.



Another thing that this would be useful for is posting news. Regions get invaded, delegates get deposed, big players leave... but its not easy to find out about. We could see whats happening outside of our own regions.

I am not taking away from your suggestion at asll, I agree this could be good, but just wanted to mention there is an off-site news forum if you are not yet acquainted with it:

http://networkradio.proboards21.com/index.cgi

Yeah, I have heard of it. But... its not accessable in the same way as another forum would be. Also, while its good that people make linked sites, it seems to me we shouldn't have to rely on outside sites for such a large portion of the game.

I’m totally with you there.

Glorified Tag: I like the idea. I will be interested to hear what comes from it.

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Yeah, I have heard of it. But... its not accessable in the same way as another forum would be. Also, while its good that people make linked sites, it seems to me we shouldn't have to rely on outside sites for such a large portion of the game.

I’m totally with you there.[/quote]Excellent

*kicks it up again*

so...
any chance we'll get this?

*kicks it up again*

so...
any chance we'll get this?
Thanks cg.

And Enodia said that [violet] has probably left for the year, so unless they make a suprise appearence, we'll have to wait until January for a response. :evil:

:tantrum:

till january?

that long? :(

sigh, o well..

Throughout the course of the discussion about this, I have become more excited and felt futher that there is a substantial desire, if not need for this type of forum.

I've even gotten into the habit of chscking on it with puppets. Guess I just have to wait and see. :)

I just saw a couple posts by [violet] in some other tech threads...

I don't know quite how this one will play out, but I think there *might* be a case for relaxing the rules on flaming slightly in this forum. Because of the nature of regional vendettas and such, its effectively RP but a certain amount of semi-flamebait/goading really adds to the atmosphere. Obviously if things get really nasty something would want to be done, but questioning a region or a delegate's competency ("you couldn't invade a sandbox with the 88th airbourne") would be... appropriate :)

I've investigated this a little, and I think a Gameplay forum would be a good idea. Because NS and II are, as you guys have said, dominated by RPers.

I'm going to be away for a few days now but I'll set this up by the end of the year.

And Enodia said that [violet] has probably left for the year, so unless they make a suprise appearence, we'll have to wait until January for a response. :evil:

:tantrum:
I never quite said that. What I said was that it wouldn't surprise me if [violet] had left for at least the Christmas break - particularly if s/he were Australian. We like our holidays.

That we do. :)

]I've investigated this a little, and I think a Gameplay forum would be a good idea. Because NS and II are, as you guys have said, dominated by RPers.

I'm going to be away for a few days now but I'll set this up by the end of the year.

Excellent! You're my new best friend :D

...wait... you already were that, for the blocking telegrams. Oh well. :P

yahoo!!!!!!!!!!

*makes a salto, lands on her head*

ouch..

i'm so happy now, this made my christmas mood even better :D

Salto = technical name for somersault?

salto must be the dutch word, thought it was salto in english too..
i think so..

yep, i think it is (after looking in my dictionary..)

From dictionary.com (not that it's the ultimate authority or anything):
No entry found for salto.

umm..
i think the entire dutch word is salto mortale..

it's when when you jump in the air, turn over your head, and then land on your feet

That's a "flip" (in American English). I think we might be, um, getting a bit off topic now? lol

just a little ;)

but hey, it's almost christmas! :D

YES! Gameplay forum!

Woo hoo!

<---- bows to [violet] the All-Powerful and All-Kindly

<---- bows to [violet] the All-Powerful and All-Kindly

Color violet violet color. Lol.

I'm off NS for two days(I wanted to see if I could do it, in preparation for the three days that I'll be up in ME) and [violet] agrees to it. And before New Years too.

Thank you [violet] :D :D :D

Now I just have to hope that they don't install it during the three days that I'm up in Maine.

I want to be there when it opens.

But if not, oh well, plenty of threads to look at then. :P

<---- Would do somersault if he had a better balancing ability.

I'm off NS for two days(I wanted to see if I could do it, in preparation for the three days that I'll be up in ME) and [violet] agrees to it. And before New Years too.

Thank you [violet] :D :D :D

Now I just have to hope that they don't install it during the three days that I'm up in Maine.

I want to be there when it opens.

But if not, oh well, plenty of threads to look at then. :P

<---- Would do somersault if he had a better balancing ability.
Feels good, don't it?

Feels good, don't it?
Indeed.

Now I can actually talk about puppeteering and my little game that I call "region hawking" (which I am not the only one to play at), without my threads being lost. :D

Feels good, don't it?
Indeed.

Now I can actually talk about puppeteering and my little game that I call "region hawking" (which I am not the only one to play at), without my threads being lost. :DRegion hawking? Whats that?

Region hawking? Whats that?I find a region that looks on the verge of dying and that I want, and either move a puppet in or add one of its nations to my dossier (or both), and when it dies, annex it.

It is quite frustrating (I failed at grabbing Afghanistan and Iraq, only because I forgot about them for the two vital days around the time when they died, and often, it turns out to be a puppet region of someone who has no intention of leaving, but as I do that myself I can't get mad), and I've only taken over two, one of which I decided that I did not want, but I'm on the verge of getting another one as we speak.

Region hawking? Whats that?I find a region that looks on the verge of dying and that I want, and either move a puppet in or add one of its nations to my dossier (or both), and when it dies, annex it.

It is quite frustrating (I failed at grabbing Afghanistan and Iraq, only because I forgot about them for the two vital days around the time when they died, and often, it turns out to be a puppet region of someone who has no intention of leaving, but as I do that myself I can't get mad), and I've only taken over two, one of which I decided that I did not want, but I'm on the verge of getting another one as we speak.Ah, interesting...

You could have region hawking competitions. See who can find the most inside a week :D

Ah, interesting...

You could have region hawking competitions. See who can find the most inside a week :D
No, as it has to be done in secrecy, and hence you can not prove that the region already existed.

Plus people seem to focus on just one region generally from what I have seen.

I'm the only meglomaniac here that I know of.

if s/he were Australian. We like our holidays.
]That we do. :)

And thus we now know that [violet] is an Aussie.

Narrows it down quite a bit. :twisted:

From dictionary.com (not that it's the ultimate authority or anything):

From Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition, which is the ultimate authority. ;)

salto n A jump; specif., [i]Music, a skip or leap.

Right between saltmouth and salt of amber

Region hawking? Whats that?I find a region that looks on the verge of dying and that I want, and either move a puppet in or add one of its nations to my dossier (or both), and when it dies, annex it.

It is quite frustrating (I failed at grabbing Afghanistan and Iraq, only because I forgot about them for the two vital days around the time when they died, and often, it turns out to be a puppet region of someone who has no intention of leaving, but as I do that myself I can't get mad), and I've only taken over two, one of which I decided that I did not want, but I'm on the verge of getting another one as we speak.
:shock:
I did this no a week ago (finished, that is ... I've been watching the region for a few weeks).

I even got it before the UN update finished (totally coincidentally), and it made for a real interesting screenshot (two nations on the UN report, but only one regional happening).

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I did this no a week ago (finished, that is ... I've been watching the region for a few weeks).

I even got it before the UN update finished (totally coincidentally), and it made for a real interesting screenshot (two nations on the UN report, but only one regional happening).

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Indeed? Which region.

Now that I'm done, I can safely reveal that Rhode Island is my older one, and Massachusetts, my newer one, I have firmly in hand (had since around 7:00 last night.

I wanted my home state so badly, and revealing that I had RI might have been a hint.

Hmm .. this could be split into the first thread on the new forum ... :D

The region I did this with was "Dune" (so far I even have a resident!), mainly wanted it because I couldn't have a nation so-named (the founder is the nation I made instead).

Hmm .. this could be split into the first thread on the new forum ... :D

The region I did this with was "Dune" (so far I even have a resident!), mainly wanted it because I couldn't have a nation so-named (the founder is the nation I made instead).

"Dune"? I think, I was there before... Interesting...

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I'm going to be away for a few days now but I'll set this up by the end of the year.

Which year? :lol:

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I'm going to be away for a few days now but I'll set this up by the end of the year.

Which year? :lol:
D**n!!! :evil:
Good point. :wink:

I nominate the NationStates Political Guide (http://s2.invisionfree.com/Rejected_Realms/index.php?showtopic=5) for a sticky.

I don't agree with the idea of stickyng links to offsite forums, although it could be perhaps added to a sticky or announcement with links to all good offsite forum listings. . .

We'd have to here from a mod though.

I don't agree with the idea of stickyng links to offsite forums, although it could be perhaps added to a sticky or announcement with links to all good offsite forum listings. . .

We'd have to here from a mod though.

I was thinking that Kandarin could repost it in the forum and it could then be stickied.

I don't agree with the idea of stickyng links to offsite forums, although it could be perhaps added to a sticky or announcement with links to all good offsite forum listings. . .

We'd have to here from a mod though.

I was thinking that Kandarin could repost it in the forum and it could then be stickied.
Perhaps. We would have to see what else turned up, in my opinion.
And I have a tad bit of COI there. . .

Congrats Qaa. I think there are several of us excited by your idea, and look forward to seeing it come to fruition.

[violet] was online, but went offline too..
guess we'll have to wait a little longer then..

(yes, i am very impatient, should work on that..)

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98684

Suggestion for a sticky in the new forum, would mean that there weren't a thousand region ad threads.

(I know its not big now, but in the right place, with people who care, it just might do well)

yeah, that might work..
otherwise all the ads would fill up the new forum.

yeah, that might work..
otherwise all the ads would fill up the new forum.

Yeah, that's a very good idea. I mean, even General is filled up with ads for regions.

If people just link to it when someone posts a region ad, it should work well enough

If people just link to it when someone posts a region ad, it should work well enough

Now all we need is for some mod to do it. :P

could just be me, but do you think this one (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108722), or this (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108571) or this thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108556) belong there too?
not really what i had in mind for the new forum, but could just be me..

i thought it would be for in-game things, not for discussions on role-plays on the forum?


btw...sticky for the nationstates yellow pages please! ;)

*sigh* yeah, I noticed them aswell. It doesnt bode well. :(

unless we can get away with hijacking them :twisted: ;)

or maybe a mod could be so sweet to move them out to one of the 2 rp forum (i don't care which one..)

Hmmm, hijacking. That appeals to my nature!

If we post often enough in the threads that rp has no place in Gameplay, they ought to get the message. After all that is what Rpers previously did to gameplay threads in Ns before we got the new forum. stoopiung to their level I know but>? :lol:

think they'll get the hint? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2461542#2461542) ;)

I have to agree. The Gameplay forum shouldn't be yet another RP forum... it's for in game stuff... like a few of the threads in there are neat, and the forum is really spiffy, but I think we do need to make a stand here. No RP in Gameplay! :D


Edit: :lol: crazy... maybe we should post telling them to go to their RP forum and make OOC threads in there, heh...

well, let's kick those forum rp'ers out the gameplay forum! :twisted:

they can post nice ingame things in there, not discuss their RPs in there :evil:

edit: hey, i think they actually got the hint :D

Nice job, heehee. We'll just keep doing that until we shape that forum to how we want it. After all, [violet] did leave it open ended enough for us to be able to justify this :D

that's for sure, and we won't let this become another RP forum :twisted:

Yeah, no kidding. If they wanted a forum for OOC discussions of RP, they could've made a thread like this and got a bunch of people to ask for it :twisted:

Ok, since one of the topics we all wanted to be able to discuss was invading/crashing, Ive created a thread that I hope will become a database for all previously discussed items. Take a look and give me your thoughts.

Also, It might be an idea to ask a freindly mod to move this thread over to gameplay, it would kind of give it a bit of closure, if not, we should open a new thread to discuss the stuff like weve been doing here.

good plan..

also, those rp-ers didn't learn anything, can't those guys take a hint?

Siswai, that's a good thread. I'll take a poke and help you about if you decide to start collecting quotes.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2463211#2463211 <-- it is as we feared. The RPers want "Gameplay" to become an OOC discussion of RP.

Is it just me, or was the point of this forum to have NOTHING to do with RP? :?


edit: split infinitive ... heehee

no way they're taking this forum too..
even if it means war, they will NOT get gameplay too! :evil:

maybe we could ask a mod to move those 3 threads out?

edit ? *sigh* doubles, doubles . . . .

I dont know the etiquette of approaching a mod with forum stuff, if you do, I think its a good idea.
You might want to raise the issue of having this thread moved to Gameply aswell. Maybe even locked and stickied for prosperity, otherwise just to use as a discussion of what to do in the forum.

Enodia is up there now, did you say anything to her/him?

i believe enodia is a guy..
and i think that if you want a thread moved, you need to post it in the moderation forum...

well we need a judgement on wether or not rp-related stuff will be allowed in there. from the looks of it, violet is willing to allow it, so Ive posted my thoughts in the stickied thread.

not sure if this (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108845) belongs in there either (look out for the many pictures)

well we need a judgement on wether or not rp-related stuff will be allowed in there. from the looks of it, violet is willing to allow it, so Ive posted my thoughts in the stickied thread.

I agree, but I think we need general Mod ruling on what things should go in what forum for clarification purposes.

I think it should be (although, I know it isn't like this now):

International Incidents: All wars/violent RPs, disasters, and Storefronts
Nationstates: All Peaceful RPs, diplomacy, an research.
Gameplay: All OOC discussions about 'game play', nations (e.g. how is *Blank* done in your nation/what is your *blank* and why?), ideas for RPs, Region Ads, and FAQs on tech.

I feel so proud. It happened. And I actually endorsed it :P.

Thanks [Violet]

I know that this is not likely in the near future, but to put a bug in the the ears of Salusa and [violet]:

Would it be possible to create a forum aboout in game activities?

I mean neither another RP forum, nor a new Tech Forum, but rather, a forum for discussing puppets, parody nations, UN rankings, in game empires, the ettiquite of region crashing, region hoppers, etc. That is to say a forum for those activities which are not truly role-play, but are semi-IC, and therefore fall in a sort of no-man's land between Technical, NationStates, Moderation, and General (which despite being techincally for anything would lose these threads too quickly to be discussed, I've tried it before).

Would this be plausble sometime in the future do you think?
Or do you feel that it would do nothing but stretch the moderators even thinner and chew up bandwidth for no real benefit?

bold added by me.
i think that's what Qaaol meant for this forum, not to discuss rp-threads in it, or how to make pictures..

well, now wait and see what happens..

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108960

well we need a judgement on wether or not rp-related stuff will be allowed in there. from the looks of it, violet is willing to allow it, so Ive posted my thoughts in the stickied thread.

I agree, but I think we need general Mod ruling on what things should go in what forum for clarification purposes.

I think it should be (although, I know it isn't like this now):

International Incidents: All wars/violent RPs, disasters, and Storefronts
Nationstates: All Peaceful RPs, diplomacy, an research.
Gameplay: All OOC discussions about 'game play', nations (e.g. how is *Blank* done in your nation/what is your *blank* and why?), ideas for RPs, Region Ads, and FAQs on tech.

I agree, except for the ideas for RPs bit.

I don't quite know what you mean by FAQs on tech either, so I don't know about that.

I also think it should be the place for things connected to region invading, including alliances and declarations of war.

Actually, basicly my thought is that this forum should be for all things that aren't connected to the forums, if that makes sense. Regional stuff, national stuff, that kind of thing.

well, seems like the mods want to let the forum evolve on it's own..
you know what that means...all out war! :twisted:

well, so much for that forum, nice try, guess i'll just stick to moderation, and het nederlandse topic, and forget about the rest of the forum.

well, so much for that forum, nice try, guess i'll just stick to moderation, and het nederlandse topic, and forget about the rest of the forum.CG, we still have most of that forum, and as soon as an imaginary bullet is fired or an imaginary tank rolls onto the scene, its get moved.

Combat this by posting threads on the topics you want to hear about. Make the forum evolve towards what you want it to be by example.

no use, now that they're given the OK sign, they're just gonna claim this forum too, and our posts will disappear into the endless OOC rp threads or whatever.

just wait and see.

no use, now that they're given the OK sign, they're just gonna claim this forum too, and our posts will disappear into the endless OOC rp threads or whatever.

just wait and see.Give it a try at least.

yeah, survival of the fittest. Well just have to make and maintain a thread on every conceivable aspect of gameplaying.
we cant let them have it!

no use, now that they're given the OK sign, they're just gonna claim this forum too, and our posts will disappear into the endless OOC rp threads or whatever.

just wait and see.
I know Sirocco's post in there was pretty bad, but he did tell us to make a thread in moderation to discuss this. I'll do that if no one else has. (Haven't looked at moderation yet, sorry).

yeah theres one there.

could I get a link to siroccos post, or the forum/thread name its in? I dont recall reading anything by him on this . . . . .

yeah theres one there.

could I get a link to siroccos post, or the forum/thread name its in? I dont recall reading anything by him on this . . . . .

it's here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2467480#2467480)

Yeah, it was harsh, but then again, we WERE hijaking their stupid OOC thread. I might IM TROUSRS (he posted his SN there) about it, but he's just one RP'r, we're fighting the whole bunch.

Thanks Cg, I had read it after all, Im just mixing up Mods.

Harsh but fair I guess.

I don't quite know what you mean by FAQs on tech either, so I don't know about that.

By tech FAQs I mean threads like: the 'Making your own crap' thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108845) or threads that give a background on RP Tech.

I don't quite know what you mean by FAQs on tech either, so I don't know about that.

By tech FAQs I mean threads like: the 'Making your own crap' thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108845) or threads that give a background on RP Tech.Hmm. Don't know about that one.

It would belong in NS IMO. Its not strictly IC, but could be construed as partly so.

No!! "Backgrounds on RP tech"?? Why can that not go in an RP forum as an OOC thread?

Look... this forum is for GamePlay. Gameplay does NOT equal RolePlay. It is about the mechanics of the game, and should have nothing to do with Role Play.

And now this is in the Gameplay forum. :lol:

Let's see how long we can keep this discussion going, so that newbies get to see the original thread (I think that this is the first forum {except maybe International Incidents, though that was before my time, so I don't know} to be formed from a single thread, although the Archive and Got Issues? were pretty concentrated, IIRC).

And now this is in the Gameplay forum. :lol:

Let's see how long we can keep this discussion going, so that newbies get to see the original thread (I think that this is the first forum {except maybe International Incidents, though that was before my time, so I don't know} to be formed from a single thread, although the Archive and Got Issues? were pretty concentrated, IIRC).You must be pretty proud.

I helped and got me a sticky, so I'm pretty happy too.

My thread was moved - http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108980 - and just in case anyone wants to debate this, I've posted a thread in moderation.

Cheers,
W.