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There is no way you can tell that someone is using UN Multies. Now before you start to bitch and say thats not true there is a way let me tell you.

1. I go to a school where everyone gets on at about the same time. The School has a T1 internet connection and that means its on one server which also means that theres only ONE IP. So.... you see all theses people getting on from the same IP at the same exact time and saying ooh UN Multi and banning them from the UN aka (barring)... this is absurd, you have no proof and you should choose wisely before you ban.

2. there are clans that like to have the same damn name. For Instance... HapopyGoth. They are a clan and there are like 6 or 7 of them. They are all UN, and All individual people. HappyGoth, HappyGoth2, HappyGoth3, HappyGoth5, HappyGoth6... again, you base your proof on facts that cannot be provin.

3. You take hints from OPRESSED REGIONS. OK this should automatically tell you that what theses people have to say are coming from a mind full of hatred towards the opressors and wanting vengance. (this is how i got barred form the UN, along iwth happygoth clan, ToadFish, and ect...

These are some things that i can think of that you do wrong. ( mods. ) teach your mods how to tell and try to get them to get the facts streight before banning all the so called (UN Multies)...

Thankyou.
--Anstinon--
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For the first one, I believe that the mods/admin are trying to work out a way around that. In fact, unless I'm much mistaken, they already have. For the second one, as long as these people aren't using the same computer, it's not a problem. For the third...if the mods really have been doing that without investigating (and I seriously doubt they have), then that is their fault.

I must put my two cents in this one.

Try placing yourself in the Moderator's shoes, just for a moment. What would you do, when you spend so long dealing with people's problems and real United Nation's "multis" and see that there is another case, just after you probably just took care of one.

The Moderators go through alot for us, so I do not think it is right to be rude and blamsphamize them over it. They are just trying to do there jobs, and sometimes mistakes are made, but to condemn one for a sole mistake is absurb.

Please reconsider the tone of your message and approach them kindly. They are doing the best they could. Face it, they have alot to do, and cleaning out "mulitis" is the least of it.

I allways like a good argument and here i will give you one...


first of all, i would do my job as a Moderator to the extent of my abilities. They can easily get rid of alot of this hard work by hireing more moderators. Hell I would be one. I am fair for both sides of this subject. I am sentamental for the moderators and their tough jobs. But taking care of "UN Multies" as you would put it is definatly not an easy job. There should be a miderator layout such as...

1. first team of mods take care of Forum issues

2. second team of mods take care of Region Greifing Issues

3. third team of mods take care of UN Realated Items

4. Fourth team of mods take care of UN Multie Issues

(this only reason i am putting a strong point to this is because I was banned from the UN for being a UN Multi)

This is crazy how could MY one UN NATION BE A UN MULTI. I HAVE NO IDEA

And i wont change my tone dude, this is as nice as i am going to get on this subject unless someone agrees with me

1. On a T1 with it's own server, it would indeed have different IP addresses, or is that just my take on how a server works?

2. You forget about our using more than just similar names when we do multi checks. Simply having the same nation name might be a tip-off, but not reason for UN ejection and/or deletion.

3. There is more than just tip-offs. It's not like we see a report of a possible multi and automatically eject/delete the accused nations. Believe it or not, we do act by the premise of "innocent until proven guilty"

Melicanium told you, but no, don't listen to him...

By the way, you just said that you would like to become a mod. That ruins your chances of ever becoming one. Sorry.

1. On a T1 with it's own server, it would indeed have different IP addresses, or is that just my take on how a server works?

FYI: I'm fairly sure that my school has one IP address for the entire campus. I won't post it in public, but it's the IP of this post (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1894964&highlight=#1894964).

on a server, if all computers on the same server, using the same INternet, will have only one ip address. There could be Static Ip's, and for each indevidual computer, yes there is an ip, but the ip shown is from the server in that case and probably not my schools computer system

can you tell me what you do when a region comes to you for help and says that they have been invaded by UN Multies?

And i wont change my tone dude, this is as nice as i am going to get on this subject unless someone agrees with me

Well, that attitude will get you what you want. :roll:

Melicanium told you, but no, don't listen to him...

By the way, you just said that you would like to become a mod. That ruins your chances of ever becoming one. Sorry.


I was replying to the nation that said "if i was a moderator, what would i do?"

So...you're telling me that all the computers at my work are listed as having the same IP address because they all use the same server?

Melicanium told you, but no, don't listen to him...

By the way, you just said that you would like to become a mod. That ruins your chances of ever becoming one. Sorry.


I was replying to the nation that said "if i was a moderator, what would i do?"

And Kewl was responding to the fact that Neut just agreed with me.

And i wont change my tone dude, this is as nice as i am going to get on this subject unless someone agrees with me

Well, that attitude will get you what you want. :roll:

and what do i want?? do you know? why come in here and say such things if you have no previous knowledge?

Heres a clue to what i want...

Since i was banned for being a UN Multi, I would like a fair trial. Mabey a list of all my nations that you think i have. I, personally do not have a server, but i use my schools server to access the internet and i do have alot of freinds that play this game on that server. I would like the moderators to know for sure what they did was the right thing to do, in this case banning me from the UN was not the rigth thing to do on account of ill facts

And i wont change my tone dude, this is as nice as i am going to get on this subject unless someone agrees with me

OK... I agree with you ... you can change your tone now!



Although I'm not entirely sure what I'm agreeing with...



But my support for you in your quest to be a "miderator" shall remain unwavering to the end!

:lol:

-z-

Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me

So...you're telling me that all the computers at my work are listed as having the same IP address because they all use the same server?

I'm no expert...it probably depends on what your configuration is. All I know is:

1) My school uses one server coming from one T1 connection.
2) I have verified that the computers in the two buildings with computer labs use the same IP address.

So...you're telling me that all the computers at my work are listed as having the same IP address because they all use the same server?

It depends...some servers are like that

I know my dad's office is

Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me



this is my entended saying


Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have NO entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me

Ahh, and this is why most .edu, .mil, .gov IP addresses are not used for evidence towards expulsion from the UN. There are however, as always, extenuating circumstances.

I Respectivly ask to be allowed back into the UN

Request denied.

Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me



this is my entended saying


Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have NO entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me

Since you seem to use proper grammar, I will assume that you are either born/living in an english speaking country, or are quite proficient in the language. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I will retract my following insult: when you can define what entention and entended mean, I will be happy to tell you my INTENTION and what I INTENDED to say.

Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me


An Unententional Miderator?!


Is there a job description somewhere for this exalted position? I might want it for myself.....

Ahh, and this is why most .edu, .mil, .gov IP addresses are not used for evidence towards expulsion from the UN. There are however, as always, extenuating circumstances.

My school's IP resolves to *****-***.************.pvt.k12.pa.us. As a safety precaution, I usually don't log in to Goobergunchia game-wise from school.

Of course, my home IP resolves to **************.malvrn01.pa.comcast.net...no excuses there!

<--- is not a multi, but has 15 nations

ahh, but the .pvt.k12 is a tip off to an educational IP address and is rarely used to determine Multi status.

I must butt in again.

Could we not be so rude as in to be rude to those who do not spell correctly? I know that sometimes it grows irrating, but to belittle someone who may earnestly be trying their hardest is cruel.

No one is perfect. So what some can not spell. It does not make us better if we condemn them over it.

I must butt in again.

Could we not be so rude as in to be rude to those who do not spell correctly? I know that sometimes it grows irrating, but to belittle someone who may earnestly be trying their hardest is cruel.

No one is perfect. So what some can not spell. It does not make us better if we condemn them over it.

You're right, but there are also some people who will never stop nagging about that kinda thing *cough, Danimalia, cough*

Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me



this is my entended saying


Although becoming a Moderator was not my entention i thankyou for supporting me in my situation. However, I have NO entention on becoming a moderator though i do have some tips if they would listen to me




Since you seem to use proper grammar, I will assume that you are either born/living in an english speaking country, or are quite proficient in the language. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I will retract my following insult: when you can define what entention and entended mean, I will be happy to tell you my INTENTION and what I INTENDED to say.


you know, i dont and probably never will like nations that come into a forum and have nothing else to say but rack on other peoples use of proper grammer. Though you are right, i did get thoes 2 words mixed up and i apologize. Though you probably shouldnt do somthing stupid like this again. Making fun of nations improper use of grammer shows that you just came in and you just want to bash. Away with you

again, more writing about grammer, spelling, and the use of quoting. That should be the end of it. Lets get back to the issue at hand. How to tell whether somone is UN Multi and exactly why i am not being allowed back into the UN

What if I sneak them in using other e-mail addresses?

First up, don't. This is against the rules, and other people will be annoyed with you when they find out. It's a low, underhand thing to do. And the chances of getting caught are pretty high: the game uses four different methods to detect cheaters.

Nations that rort the UN in this way will be expelled and prevented from re-joining. If you do it with multiple nations, they'll all be deleted, including your main nation. If you're especially annoying, you'll be banned from making any new nations, too. But don't make me do that.

Goobergunchia
Non-Moderator

that still doesnt say anything about the 4 ways they use to find out whos got UN Multies

I thought I already explained...

thats not explaing dude, thats veering away form the main question

thats not explaing dude, thats veering away form the main question

1. On a T1 with it's own server, it would indeed have different IP addresses, or is that just my take on how a server works?

2. You forget about our using more than just similar names when we do multi checks. Simply having the same nation name might be a tip-off, but not reason for UN ejection and/or deletion.

3. There is more than just tip-offs. It's not like we see a report of a possible multi and automatically eject/delete the accused nations. Believe it or not, we do act by the premise of "innocent until proven guilty"

:roll:

Trust me, we know how IP addresses work. I deal with them daily at my job. Hardware and Software tech support is how I make a living. I can assure you that we have other methods of verifying multis, besides an ip address. That being said, there are cases where people who aren't multis get detected. Unfortunatley, many of these cases have to be acted on, as the moderator has no way of knowing if someone is telling the truth. We hear it all the time. Either a)"It is a shared computer," b)"It is a shared connection," or c)"TEH MODS R ST00pid and CANT DO THERE JOBS RIGHT." That goes for about 75% of the cases we handle. We do not take kindly to being told how to carry out our duties, as we have been doing them for quite some time, and know the best methods to carry them out. Here comes the standard response, that everyone who has come before you with the same requests have gotten: "We encourage you to make a new UN nation and be more careful about where you log into it from. If there is a chance that it may come up as a multi, our only advice is that you do not log into your country from that computer."

We have several different methods to determine whether two (or more) UN nations are controlled by the same person (or at least from the same computer). IP addresses is but one of these and will not trigger a false positive by itself. We still advise people of the risk of playing the game from behind a NAT (which is the type of network which you are describing), but have a rather low rate of false positives. Needless to say, we cannot publicize our methods as that would help people to counteract them.

I have seen the evidence against your nation and it appears to be strong. Please feel free to enter a new nation into the UN. The ban will not be lifted on this one.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

well that is jsut about the most fucking retarted thing i have ever heard

If there is a chance that it may come up as a multi, our only advice is that you do not log into your country from that computer.

Does a forum login risk activating the multi-scan? Like I said, I try not to game-login Goobergunchia from school but forum-login Goobergunchia from school daily. I'd like to know whether this behavior is safe or whether I should forum-login as a puppet from school. I'd prefer to login as Goobergunchia, but I'd rather login as Terminated California or -The Prophet- than have Goobergunchia ejected from the UN.

hey saulsa, how about you publicize my evedence so people can see. What is it by the way. My aim name is Xqz2shiz if you dont feel safe talking about it on the forums come talk to me on aim and ill be glad to oppose you there. there no one will see you be bashed

hey saulsa, how about you publicize my evedence so people can see. What is it by the way. My aim name is Xqz2shiz if you dont feel safe talking about it on the forums come talk to me on aim and ill be glad to oppose you there. there no one will see you be bashed

You really want your IP address, etc. publicized? :roll:

its a good thing about using my home comp tonight. It has a modem therefore i could easily get on then get off and vwalla new IP. Besides that point i was not referring to my Computer informaton such as Ip addresses. I was reffering to the evedence he had agsint me in this case

There is no way you can tell that someone is using UN Multies. Now before you start to bitch and say thats not true there is a way let me tell you.

1. I go to a school where everyone gets on at about the same time. The School has a T1 internet connection and that means its on one server which also means that theres only ONE IP. So.... you see all theses people getting on from the same IP at the same exact time and saying ooh UN Multi and banning them from the UN aka (barring)... this is absurd, you have no proof and you should choose wisely before you ban.

2. there are clans that like to have the same damn name. For Instance... HapopyGoth. They are a clan and there are like 6 or 7 of them. They are all UN, and All individual people. HappyGoth, HappyGoth2, HappyGoth3, HappyGoth5, HappyGoth6... again, you base your proof on facts that cannot be provin.

3. You take hints from OPRESSED REGIONS. OK this should automatically tell you that what theses people have to say are coming from a mind full of hatred towards the opressors and wanting vengance. (this is how i got barred form the UN, along iwth happygoth clan, ToadFish, and ect...

These are some things that i can think of that you do wrong. ( mods. ) teach your mods how to tell and try to get them to get the facts streight before banning all the so called (UN Multies)...

Thankyou.
--Anstinon--
Telegram me for any questions pertaining to this post

You're better off having NS moderators oversee the game, and lucky your institution allows you access to this site. It wouldn't take many complaints from players to the IT security department of your school before access to the NS site is blocked for abusers on your server - it's happened before (ie. American Table Scraps at the WVU). So BE NICE.

well that is jsut about the most f--- retarted thing i have ever heard

That's nice. If you are unhappy with our policy, I suggest you write to admin@nationstates.net, or go find another free game to play. By signing up with this game, you agreed to the Terms of Service. If you maybe forgot to read them, I suggest you should go and take a look.

hey saulsa, how about you publicize my evedence so people can see. What is it by the way. My aim name is Xqz2shiz if you dont feel safe talking about it on the forums come talk to me on aim and ill be glad to oppose you there. there no one will see you be bashed

The details? No, I will not. There are elements of our system which we would prefer to keep secret so that they cannot be countered. Needless to say that they do not depend upon IP addresses, but instead upon usage patterns which are extremely difficult (if not impossible) to duplicate in most innocent circumstances.

However, I will present a piece of evidence against you. While earlier our evidence against you was very strong, it was not 100% guaranteed (just very close). But now, thanks to you, that has changed. The AIM name which you have provided me PERFECTLY corresponds with the contact information associated with the multies that you are accused of controlling. The likelihood of this (especially with the other evidence against) occuring by chance, even IF multiple people were controlling nations from the same computer) is approximately 0.

Thus, we must thank you for your assistance in eliminating any doubts that we may have had previously.

Thank you very much, and have a nice day. And might I recommend that next time that you plead innocence, it actually be true.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

hey saulsa, how about you publicize my evedence so people can see. What is it by the way. My aim name is Xqz2shiz if you dont feel safe talking about it on the forums come talk to me on aim and ill be glad to oppose you there. there no one will see you be bashed

Real mature.

My advice: Back off. Further actions like this will get you deleted.

If there is a chance that it may come up as a multi, our only advice is that you do not log into your country from that computer.

Does a forum login risk activating the multi-scan? Like I said, I try not to game-login Goobergunchia from school but forum-login Goobergunchia from school daily. I'd like to know whether this behavior is safe or whether I should forum-login as a puppet from school. I'd prefer to login as Goobergunchia, but I'd rather login as Terminated California or -The Prophet- than have Goobergunchia ejected from the UN.

However, I will present a piece of evidence against you. While earlier our evidence against you was very strong, it was not 100% guaranteed (just very close). But now, thanks to you, that has changed. The AIM name which you have provided me PERFECTLY corresponds with the contact information associated with the multies that you are accused of controlling. The likelihood of this (especially with the other evidence against) occuring by chance, even IF multiple people were controlling nations from the same computer) is approximately 0.

Thus, we must thank you for your assistance in eliminating any doubts that we may have had previously.

Thank you very much, and have a nice day. And might I recommend that next time that you plead innocence, it actually be true.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The AIM name which you have provided me PERFECTLY corresponds with the contact information associated with the multies that you are accused of controlling. The likelihood of this (especially with the other evidence against) occuring by chance, even IF multiple people were controlling nations from the same computer) is approximately 0.

Salusa, I'm interested in this one. How can you find someones AIM name from the things they do on NS?

If there is a chance that it may come up as a multi, our only advice is that you do not log into your country from that computer.

Does a forum login risk activating the multi-scan? Like I said, I try not to game-login Goobergunchia from school but forum-login Goobergunchia from school daily. I'd like to know whether this behavior is safe or whether I should forum-login as a puppet from school. I'd prefer to login as Goobergunchia, but I'd rather login as Terminated California or -The Prophet- than have Goobergunchia ejected from the UN.

If you are innocent to begin with, you should be fine. If you are guilty, this will definitely add to the evidence against you.

Thanks Salusa.

Salusa, I'm interested in this one. How can you find someones AIM name from the things they do on NS?

No worries, it isn't quite that straightforward, but the connection is strong. I won't go into it further though, sorry. Remember though, that I have access to pretty much every single piece of information associated with a nation, posted by that nation, or even vaguely connect with that nation, and I have the tools to process it.

---Post Deleted by the Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia---

Largely irrelevant to the exact topic at hand, but I think what a lot of people forget is that the mods aren't just "bozos who sit around the place moderating NationStates". I mean, obviously we all have lives and some of us have professional qualifications, but we use what training we have to assist in moderating here. If a tricky-looking situation with possible multis comes up, it's not just a case of "shoot first and ask questions later", we ask those of us who know about computers "does this look suspicious to you?" If it looks suspicious to an expert, it probably is suspicious.

that still doesnt say anything about the 4 ways they use to find out whos got UN Multies

If they spelled out the methods, there would be griefers working around it in seconds.

hey saulsa, how about you publicize my evedence so people can see. What is it by the way. My aim name is Xqz2shiz if you dont feel safe talking about it on the forums come talk to me on aim and ill be glad to oppose you there. there no one will see you be bashed

The details? No, I will not. There are elements of our system which we would prefer to keep secret so that they cannot be countered. Needless to say that they do not depend upon IP addresses, but instead upon usage patterns which are extremely difficult (if not impossible) to duplicate in most innocent circumstances.

However, I will present a piece of evidence against you. While earlier our evidence against you was very strong, it was not 100% guaranteed (just very close). But now, thanks to you, that has changed. The AIM name which you have provided me PERFECTLY corresponds with the contact information associated with the multies that you are accused of controlling. The likelihood of this (especially with the other evidence against) occuring by chance, even IF multiple people were controlling nations from the same computer) is approximately 0.

Thus, we must thank you for your assistance in eliminating any doubts that we may have had previously.

Thank you very much, and have a nice day. And might I recommend that next time that you plead innocence, it actually be true.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

Zinggggg

Nice. Will you confess and apologize Anstinon? It would be the mature thing to do.

Beautiful Salusa!

That's all ;)

No worries, it isn't quite that straightforward, but the connection is strong. I won't go into it further though, sorry. Remember though, that I have access to pretty much every single piece of information associated with a nation, posted by that nation, or even vaguely connect with that nation, and I have the tools to process it.

That's cool. I wasn't expecting a straight answer, as then people would know what to do/not to do. i was more worried about people having access to personal info. Not specifically you, or any other mods, just in general.

Oh, and someone has to say it:

Anstinon, you've been PWNED by the NS Moderators. 8)

And with all the evidence in... I hereby retract my support for his elevation to Miderator status.....



I am ashamed that I was duped by such a fine orator who dazzled me with his keen insights into the nuance of site administration and web protocols.



:shock: :D

He'll be back, he always comes back.

I'm honestly surprised that Anstinon (the nation) is still around, he's multied so many times...

He's also been reported so many times...

On the topic of getting booted from the UN by being behind a NAT server:
-I also log in from the same server as Anstinon, from the same room more often than not. I have had 1 UN nation removed (Greater Equaldom) for loging in after some-one elses UN nation (I filed a report, got the general "sorry, can't help" response back, and made my peace with it).
-This nation (my current UN) has been in the UN for quite awhile now, still loging on from the same server and the same room. All I've changed is that I don't log in after someone else.

So (with my experience at least) there is very little danger of being kicked out accidently.

-The Bigger Representative
X.isBigger(0) || X.isSame(0)

I also don't like Anstinon... so my views are a little slanted :twisted: .

*wonders if she'll get into trouble for playing her un nation at college*

mmm, not?

i just checked on my own little forum, seems like the computers all have different ip's..

could you please tell me if i'm safe or not?

mmm, maybe that means i can have a un nation on every computer here :twisted:

You would die a horrible death.

thought that would get your attention ;)

but still, can i play my un nation on the college computers, or not?

thought that would get your attention ;)

but still, can i play my un nation on the college computers, or not?

It should be okay.

okay, thanks ;)

<---- is posting this from school

<---- is posting this from school


<-----------Is doing the same.

Just to be safe, I post with my UN nation only from home. I post with this one all over the danged place. ;)

This may sound like a dumb question, but would having the same e-mail address on two UN nations be proof for multiing, enough to get them barred I mean? Or is it just IP and these mysterious "other methods"?

This may sound like a dumb question, but would having the same e-mail address on two UN nations be proof for multiing, enough to get them barred I mean? Or is it just IP and these mysterious "other methods"?

I'm sure that if a question about whether or not there were something unkosher going on with multis, that would be another piece of the evidence the mods would consider.

This may sound like a dumb question, but would having the same e-mail address on two UN nations be proof for multiing, enough to get them barred I mean? Or is it just IP and these mysterious "other methods"?
Well, if you apply to the UN using an email address of a nation in the UN you get rejected.

Although you might be able to get them all accepted at the same time, I would bet that if (read: when) they catch you they will take action. The chances of two different people having the same email are ... rather slim.

Oh, and Crazy Girl, I've been logging into the game from college for about 2 months now and I'm still fine ... I wouldn't worry about it to much.

Just to restate what other mods before me have said. We are not going to answer questions on methods of how UN multi's are detected. We have more then one method and we have stated that. Other then that, we will not answer questions on the subject because we know if we did, every cheat out there would be thinking of ways to exploit our methods. I can say this much, you'd be surprised all the different ways you can detect these things.. Especially Salusa..lol ;)

Stephanie
Forum Mod

I can say this much, you'd be surprised all the different ways you can detect these things.. Especially Salusa..lol ;)

I'm not surprised!

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling
PGP: 0x0604DF3E

I can say this much, you'd be surprised all the different ways you can detect these things.. Especially Salusa..lol ;)

I'm not surprised!

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling
PGP: 0x0604DF3E

Haha, oh really! ;)

I can say this much, you'd be surprised all the different ways you can detect these things.. Especially Salusa..lol ;)

I'm not surprised!

Why do I not find that surprising?

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

I can say this much, you'd be surprised all the different ways you can detect these things.. Especially Salusa..lol ;)

I'm not surprised!

Why do I not find that surprising?

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

Because we know the methods because we're mods? It's just an educated guess.. LMAO! .. :lol:

Because we know the methods because we're mods? It's just an educated guess.. LMAO! .. :lol:

True. Because we are mods and know most of the methods that we use (no surprise there), we should not be surprised that the players would be surprised at the surprising methods that we use to catch cheaters by surprise. However, Salusa, not surprisingly being the master of this sort of stuff (especially catching cheaters by surprise), would not be surprised at the wide variety of surprising methods available at his disposal. After all, it should not come as any surprise that he has to have spent a considerable amount of time developing his rather surprising skills, and thus able to come up with surprising applications for such skills that, not surprisingly (if you "Think about it for a moment") would surprise those uninitiated in such mysterious and surprising ways.

Right? :D

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

My brain hurts after reading that...

Right? :D
...sure :|

I'm very suprised. :)

My belief is that the Happygoth nations were cheating, here is some facts.

The Happygoth nations all had:
- The same name (with different numbers in the end)
- The same flag (default flag)
- The same "most recent government activity" -time
- The same population (8 million)
- They were all UN
- No mottos (i.e. adgkagr or aghrugharjkg)

That seven different nations is that similar seems VERY unlikely to me..

Because we know the methods because we're mods? It's just an educated guess.. LMAO! .. :lol:

True. Because we are mods and know most of the methods that we use (no surprise there), we should not be surprised that the players would be surprised at the surprising methods that we use to catch cheaters by surprise. However, Salusa, not surprisingly being the master of this sort of stuff (especially catching cheaters by surprise), would not be surprised at the wide variety of surprising methods available at his disposal. After all, it should not come as any surprise that he has to have spent a considerable amount of time developing his rather surprising skills, and thus able to come up with surprising applications for such skills that, not surprisingly (if you "Think about it for a moment") would surprise those uninitiated in such mysterious and surprising ways.

Right? :D

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

Oh, I totally agree.. I'm not surprised by your otherwise surprising conclusions. LMAO! Haha Funny Cog ... :lol: