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The following is an OOC thread.

All right, I've decided, after due consideration, that it's high time to get this project off the ground. While similar atlas projects have come and gone, this one is, of course, on a much smaller scale.

What I am looking for in this thread is 5-6 (possibly more) nations willing to become geographical neighbors with The SLAGLands. These nations have the opportunity to become frequent partners in roleplay, as I wish for this to be a geographic region that does NOT ignore all of the funny little aspects of REAL nation-states that get commonly ignored (border disputes, territorial conflicts, etc.) The area in question will be a new continent to be mapped out and placed into the NationStates world to give our nations an idea of where we stand geographically with regard to the rest of the world.

Upon acceptance into this project, we will begin to discuss--in this thread--the name of this continent. At the moment, it is tentatively called "The Emerald Heights," as this was the name given to The SLAGLands before its formal colonization. This is, of course, open for change. Other topics of debate will be the topographical makeup, the exact position of borders, major geographical features, etc.

While I know it's a corny prerequisite, nations within this geographic region must have a history of good roleplay--be it only briefly as a new October nation or "holy shit! forevar!" as a crotchedy old November nation or anywhere in between.

A few things to know about The SLAGLands--and this continent--before you sign up:

* The northern tip of The SLAGLands is almost precisely at the Tropic of Capricorn, and the nation stretches to approximately parallel with the southern tip of South America.

* The northernmost regions enjoy tropical conditions almost year round, while the central areas are fairly temperate. A long island chain located on the southern tip of The SLAGLands passes near Antarctica and features rather cold temperatures.

* The SLAGLands is a fairly narrow country--akin to Chile. The eastern border--where capital city SLAGTown is located--is framed by a rather tall mountain range. Most of the inland to the west of these mountains is heavily forested in the north and flat in the center. The mountain range stretches to the southern tip of the continent.

* The Emerald Heights, relative to the rest of the world, is in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. It runs as far north as the Tropic of Cancer and can be as wide as necessary. The SLAGLands borders the ocean on the west and south; neighboring nations may be located to the north and the east.

* The SLAGLands' history, at this point, places its earliest tribes to the west of the mountains. It is highly probable that the mountains separated these tribes from the rest of the country; therefore, it isn't necessary for all of our histories to coincide.

* And hey... if ya join up, you get to RP with me! ;)


Wow, that was a long one... feel free to submit questions or applications now. Be prepared to submit sample threads if I've never heard of you or am unfamiliar with your work.

Good luck!

*counts up the number of regions in the middle-south atlantic.*

Lodoss
Dor Lomin
Southern Atlantic Island Chain
The Emerald Heights
...

Wow.

*counts up the number of regions in the middle-south atlantic.*

Lodoss
Dor Lomin
Southern Atlantic Island Chain
The Emerald Heights
...

Wow.

Really? It can become the Pacific if necessary... just about everything's flexible. Hell, I'll even put it in the northern hemisphere. ;)

OOC: Wazzu can't join, it is necessary for the continuum that wazzu be located in Sweden. But I like the idea (a few other regions have done it too). So best of luck with it.

One comment though. Tropic of Capricorn down to near Antarctica?!?! That is one BIG contenent...or at least long/tall.

An interesting note on comparitive locations: The Devils Desert will be just North of you (well, maybe not just), while (the new) Lodoss will be West-Northwest. Perhaps you already knew all that, but interesting for other people anyway.

*counts up the number of regions in the middle-south atlantic.*

Lodoss
Dor Lomin
Southern Atlantic Island Chain
The Emerald Heights
...

Wow.

Really? It can become the Pacific if necessary... just about everything's flexible. Hell, I'll even put it in the northern hemisphere. ;)

Naaa, NS Earth is huge...the NS Atlantic Ocean is huge. Put it where you like.

Maybe you should contact those other (organized) regions to determine who is where in relationship to each other. Might make for an interesting and larger map.

One comment though. Tropic of Capricorn down to near Antarctica?!?! That is one BIG contenent...or at least long/tall.

Clarification yoinked from IRC:

<BodyguardBarry> There are a billion people in The SLAGLands, and I imagine if I get more people into the region, there'll be a hell of a lot of huge nations.
<BodyguardBarry> I mean, even if it's just June nations, you've got to consider that that's TWICE the size of the United States.

There ya go, to anyone who was wondering about this...

I'd love to become geographical neighbors. I'm sure my colony on earth can uh... move there.

We'll send some "military grade" helicopters to help EB with his transition. :wink:

(ooc: I'd be more than happy to move there. I need a new start here anyways. :) )

Though we are quite happy with our current region (Sisgardia) we would be interested in establishing a Colony in your region, would that be acceptable?

I'd love to become geographical neighbors. I'm sure my colony on earth can uh... move there.

Cool. Glad to have you aboard, Bloc.

Hey I want in as well, Slag! You rock!

Why... yes, I do. ;)

I'll look into your story tomorrow.

Though we are quite happy with our current region (Sisgardia) we would be interested in establishing a Colony in your region, would that be acceptable?

No colonies, please... doesn't really fit the region's personality, and as this land has been colonized for hundreds of years, I imagine most colonies would have at least attempted to declare independence by now. This place is very well beyond the colonization phase...

Hey I want in as well, Slag! You rock!

Why... yes, I do. ;)

(ooc: Wow...that's exactly what I was thinking! Holy cow, you gotta be psychic or something! :wink: )

Have you considered what land masses are near yours? Geographically speaking that is. My nation is on an Island continent and I would be happy to have it as a neighboring landmass to yours.

Information on my nation (still being developed).
Slagkattunger Nation Profile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78165)

Slagkattunger has been *BUMP*ed into the "Maybe" column. ;)

Is it required that a nation move to your region to be put on your map?

Is it required that a nation move to your region to be put on your map?

Still under consideration. It'll certainly make regional politics easier if this is the case, but I doubt I'll make it requisite.

So, I'm in, right?

English is not my native language, so could you translate the folowing phrase?
"While I know it's a corny prerequisite, nations within this geographic region must have a history of good roleplay--be it only briefly as a new October nation or "holy shit! forevar!" as a crotchedy old November nation or anywhere in between. "
My problem is that RevTerr is only 3 days old, so I don't know if you would like to RP with a nation who RP'ed before or any nation is invited. I would like to play (although, as you said, you have only some ideeas about the game -I liked the "fun of the RP" part-), I'm working at the map of my country (currently located in East Pacific) and at it's history (although you realize, an island with 7 milion peaple does not have a very impresive history, but I'm thinking at a fishing state going through some reforms to become a paradise for tourists and underwater researchers).

OOC: Hmm, becoming a neighbour with the SLAGLands would be ok, but Kekkosmaa is located in Finland and will be located of Finland. Of course, some 300 million Kekkos live in space and more are moving there, but shipping those remaining 500 million to another continent would be.. Hard. I dislike those who do it, so I'm definitely not going to do it myself :P Though Kekkosmaa doesn't have any big reason to stay in Finland, I'm not going to move it. Well, maybe I could move, like, 50 million there and grow a population out of them, but njah.

OOC: I'm interested.

Hmm..... I'm interested.... I already do this and try to do this whenever possible, but unfortunately not a lot of people seem to enjoy geopolitics when compared to the sheer power trip of instantly moving eighteen million troops across the world whenever a conflict arises....

But my main RPing nation is all taken up. And I'm not sure you'd want to tangle with the Conglomerate in this anyway. SOoOooo.... would a fairly recent puppet be acceptable?

If so, count Clownland in. :wink:

Is it required that a nation move to your region to be put on your map?

Still under consideration. It'll certainly make regional politics easier if this is the case, but I doubt I'll make it requisite.

Oh goody. If it'll fit, Eniqcir would end up dead on the equator on the west coast.

I can move Enyalius to the Emerald Heights if given permission. I've written posts that already explain the move, but haven't said where they moved to.

Check this (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84628&highlight=) to see how it has been doen, Slag.

OOC:

Well, I have one geographic neighbor, Kingsford, whom is seperated from me by a large channel (akin to the seperation of Britain and France)

Anyways, i'd love to be a geographic neighbor of the SLAGLands.

My nation's mostly a tropical climate as it is.

Bump...

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

I'll start reviewing applicants and all that this weekend. For now... DEE AND DEE! :D

Have fun :wink:

My nation will join, We are currently in a state of revolution. But we would love to join

I would love to join in on this endevour seeing as how I have no region of my own.

I received no answers for my previous request. But the hope is the last to die.
So, for your map, I would like to be somewhere between the Northwest-and the NorthEast of the EmeraldHights, a tropical paradise with (I hope) an interesting background. If you would like RevTerr to join the game, you will receive a map of the Islands (there are four island grouped around a fifth, larger).
Since you are the game moderator, maybe you are preparing something that would require a certain amount of time spent in the NS. If so, maybe it would be a good ideea to state this in the begining.

THIS JUST IN!

16 million years ago, a small meteorite *BUMP*ed into The Emerald Heights!

OOC: Well, the entire uber-space thing is going well, but I need some earth territory if I'm going to warmong/ I mean have a good point for going into earth-based wars. All I would need was a small strip of coast for something like a 50-100 million people to live on. I can make them a bunch of luddites it it makes it an easier acceptance.

Final bump for this project. I'll start the thread tomorrow, so we'll begin discussion soon. Thanks for the tremendous response, everyone!

Thanks for the tremendous response, everyone. After reviewing the applicants, I have decided to allow the following nations:

The Eastern Bloc
Neo-Wu
Eniqcir
Santa Barbara
Enyalius
Oglethorpia
New York and Jersey
Tanah Burung
RevTerr

Those who simply wished to establish colonies were rejected immediately, and I have reasons that will not be stated for rejecting others.

Discussion will begin immediately, as we must determine where precisely in the world this continent is. Frankly, I'm game for anything. Previously, I had placed The SLAGLands in the south Atlantic Ocean; however, that area is pretty crowded, what with Dor Lomin, Lodoss, etc. Thus, I'm inclined to think we should move elsewhere. How does North Pacific sound to everyone else?

Ah... the North Pacific. It sounds good to me. If we were in the North... would the northern part of our continent be encased in snow year around? Cause I'd like to RP a snowy... climate.

Anyways, North sounds all right.

North Pacific? Sounds like a good change from out last place in the South Atlantic.

Of course, it's radioactive rubble, so, hey, any place is better than that.

I seem to be a little slow on the uptake, but North Pacific is where my little personal island happens to be. I have no problem at all, rather, this makes life interesting. Perhaps we will have some interactions in the future? Considering my nation is run by the Minister for Trade, this has some good possibilities. Assuming it is okay with all involved, of course.

Ah... the North Pacific. It sounds good to me. If we were in the North... would the northern part of our continent be encased in snow year around? Cause I'd like to RP a snowy... climate.

Anyways, North sounds all right.

As with any place on Earth, climate depends on latitude.

So... yeah. We'll dump you on the north end of the continent.

Oh, and this is indeed Slag, for those who aren't aware of my puppets. ;)

BUMP because of Omz444.

Yay for snow!

North Pacific sounds good.

Is nobody objecting to be being a half part of this? More of an international involvement?

I dont seem to have a problem.

North Pacific works for me, just so long as the continent extends far enough southward to place me close to dead center on the equator.

North Pacific-ish region, sure. But I hope its not one of those RL things. I'd like to just RP with everyones own creations for the most part, instead of some bogus USA for example.

North Pacific-ish region, sure. But I hope its not one of those RL things. I'd like to just RP with everyones own creations for the most part, instead of some bogus USA for example.

North Pacific sounds fine with me.

I talked to the SLAGLands about Oglethorpia's tropical-ness, which creates no problem with the continent's placement in the North Pacific.

So I guess if everyone agrees on that, we discuss the continent's name?

No, this is not going to be some real-life thing; I'm just trying to get an idea of where we are with regard to the rest of the world. I hate divying up real-life territory; thus, we'll make our own territory. ;)

So does anyone have any suggestions for a name for this continent? We can stick with The Emerald Heights if you'd like, but I'm definitely open to change. Once we get that established, I'll start the region.

Sounds good to me.

Are you finished recruiting?

Are you finished recruiting?

Yeah, but... eh, what the hell, Mall. We go way back, you and I. :D

Ok for the North Pacific. However, I would like to change my initial location (north of Emerald Heights) to the southern region. I "own" a tropical paradise, so (although I love it) no snow please! However, if your national language isn't english, don't you think that a name in that national language of yours (and by "yours" I mean all -or almost all- the nations in the continent) would be better?
I kind of like the name of The Emerald Heights. But I think that, at least geographically speaking, it'as your choice.

The Emerald Heights sounds good to me.

I have no better suggestion, so :wink:

I love the name Emerald Heights.

Anywhere is fine. But out of curiosity, how come no one ever thinks of the Indian Ocean? Plenty of room there.

Tanah Burung needs to be tropical too, if that's OK. (And even better if Oglethorpia is a neighbour!) I have a national map from my current region, but it can change.

Emerald Heights is a rather appropriate name for any continent that has Eniqcir in it. But I'd have to translate it whenever referring to it in character.

Emeralds heights is fine... I don't really care about climate really...

Emerald Heights sounds like a neighborhood in Brooklyn. Or the land of the Lepercauns,one or the other but seeing as how I have no better suggestions I say lets go with it. Oh and I'd like to be somewhere in the North East not warm, yet not cold all year round if thats possible.

Emerald Heights sounds like a neighborhood in Brooklyn. Or the land of the Lepercauns,one or the other but seeing as how I have no better suggestions I say lets go with it. Oh and I'd like to be somewhere in the North East not warm, yet not cold all year round if thats possible.

Heh heh... land of the leprechauns... ^_^

In any case, the region is up. Title is "The Emerald Heights" (no quotation marks), and the password is "slaggy" (no quotation marks, caps as such). I'll boot anyone who's not part of this lil' group, as the delegate lacks regional control access at this time.

Now I suppose we can begin discussing geography and climate in general. I've already established that The SLAGLands is going to stretch across most of the western coast--a long, narrow country akin to Chile. I'll gladly take neighbours on both the north and south ends, and anyone can, of course, be to the east. This is the only geographic stipulation I have.

So start throwing out climates and variations and such.

Well, as talked about before, I'll have to occupy some of the southernmost regions of the Emerald Heights -- as Oglethorpia is tropical. TB would be fairly close, and i'd have no problem with sharing a long border alongside Tanah Burung.

Also, Oglethorpia could have a short border with the SLAGLands -- not the whole length of the nation, but maybe just a "finger" of land along the southern coast that borders the SLAGLands.

I know I'm only half part of this, but I could make a map for you guys. Ask Oglethorpia. I made one for him. Any shape, any size, any resolution...


Warning, very large. (3200 pixels by 2400.)
http://homepage.mac.com/ambrosia512/ImnsvaleForInterweb.jpg
(Not quite as large.)
http://homepage.mac.com/ambrosia512/Oglethorpia.jpg

I would appreciate topography involving mountains, plateaus and steppes. In terms of climate, I'm not picky, as Mallbertan is a nuked, pulluted wasteland; i'm not too worried about temperature. I'm open to having any borders, and I don't nessecarily need sea access.

I'll be the northernmost country... and I'd like some mountains and whatnot... the usual stuff.

Oh, here are my list of demands conviniently retyped.

--Some coast, far south of the Emerald Heights
-- Possible border with TB and t3h SLAGd0r
-- Two outlying islands (as I have two cities that are off my "mainland")

I'd prefer if the coast I had was on the East.

I've always decribed TB as tropical, with a hot and humid southern coast, a medium-sized offshore island, and a mountainous northern region. But that's mainly because that's what the map-drawer in my current region gave me, so it's not vital, apart from being tropical.

Since Imnsvale has paid me handsomely to speak kindly on his behalf, I will do so.

Imnsvale has fantastic, FANTASTIC map making skills. PH34R! Lo, Imns is a master map maker.

Triple M, representin'.

Imns - you have been vouched for.

Oh, here are my list of demands conviniently retyped.

--Some coast, far south of the Emerald Heights
-- Possible border with TB and t3h SLAGd0r
-- Two outlying islands (as I have two cities that are off my "mainland")

I'd prefer if the coast I had was on the East.

You can have the South East, I want the North East. Some coastland but mostly extending westward inland.

Slaggy wants the west coast, and is obviously going to get it, and I want the west coast as well... so how about a rather large inland sea for me to sit on? It would have to be about as tall as the continental US, and some 900 miles wide, as well.

I'd prefer the Southwest corner of the Emerald Heights...

And two moderately-sized outlying islands.

I could draw up a rough draft of the current claims, to give everyone an idea of who wants to go where and to clarify and jostle things.

So...rough draft. Yea or nay?

Go for it.

Go for it.

YEA or NAY?

Just kidding, i'll go about that once I figure out where EB wants to go.

Slaggy wants the west coast, and is obviously going to get it, and I want the west coast as well... so how about a rather large inland sea for me to sit on? It would have to be about as tall as the continental US, and some 900 miles wide, as well.

So this would make the continent U-shaped, right?

Or donut-shaped.

(Insert standard Homer Simpson reference here.)

I'll be the northernmost country... and I'd like some mountains and whatnot... the usual stuff.

We would like to go here... if thats the EB you're referring to.

Or donut-shaped.

(Insert standard Homer Simpson reference here.)

::Drool::Mmmm...doughnut continent.

Or donut-shaped.

(Insert standard Homer Simpson reference here.)

Mmmm... doooooonuuuuuut...

http://www.synergizedsolutions.com/simpsons/pictures/homer/homerdonut.gif

So... yeah, I have no reservations about the shape of the continent. I only need the west coast because the "Sea of Pale Sienna" roleplay illustrated here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66585&highlight=) requires such. I think a U-shaped continent will work best if Eniqcir wants the west coast as well; that way, we can all go out to the sea proper that much quicker. I'd imagine also that there'd be canals and rivers connecting the inland sea to the Pacific, so we needn't really worry about those countries on the interior getting shafted in that respect.

So does a U-shaped continent work for everyone?

U-shape works,although rivers and canals means we can probably have a standard abstract shaped continent.

A few things, there needs to be a mapmaker yes, but in my experience also someone who can make a big committment in keeping the map updated. Preferably the same person. And, I think to start things off, a pointer at everyones factbooks or equivalent thereof, would be useful.

As stated in Clownlands Factbook (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80207), I'll be in the Clown Islands (a few islands, but not too puny, perhaps Britain/Ireland sized as far as land area, but smaller land masses), which can be pretty much anywhere as long as the climate there would be temperate, wooded (not tropical).

(This is Santa Barbara by the way, which itself will remain in the Devils Desert. This puppet o' mine will have no relations with my main nation, at least not for a long long time. A fresh start! ...it'll be interesting not always having my uberpowerful industry and military, especially since I'll be one of the smallest nations...)

Oh, and for those who don't know, this is indeed Slag. The Outsets are a small island chain off the southwestern coast of The SLAGLands. They won't get in the way. :P

*chuckles as he looks at his pro-offered nation of 500 million homeless people.*

I'm going to have fun.

U-shaped or donut shaped both work for me. I think an inverted U would look better, but it doesn't really matter.

Emerald Heights message board is up here. (http://emeralds.proboards23.com/index.cgi) Feel free to register and try posting. We'll keep the geography-related discussion here for convenience's sake, but other regional discussion can be moved there.

Map to vote on.

(Warning, pretty large. 135 MB source file. 5.8 MB file posted. 3200 pixels by 2400 pixels, 350 dots per inch.)

http://homepage.mac.com/ambrosia512/WassamattaU.jpg

Oh, right... I suppose I should explain Imns's involvement.

Imns has requested that his island/continent/whatever be fairly close to The Emerald Heights, so I'm allowing him limited access to the forums. He's also volunteered to help us with war-related RP if necessary, as he is a member of Kitsylvania's Mod Squad.

Jesus christ thats big, and I cant even see the whole contienant, part of it is cut off.The eastern part that is.

Yeah, it is. And no, it isn't cut off, that's the edge. Well, it shouldn't be cut off.

I have postified on the new forum!

*half an hour after clicking on the link to the map*


Damn that picture was huge...

That is a big map. But it only took me a minute to DL.

:D

*smiles at the T3 in his dorm*

That is a big map. But it only took me a minute to DL.

:D

*smiles at the T3 in his dorm*


*curses you and your dorm's T3 under his breath* :wink:


Well... 56k still kicks... booty. Ah hell... Who am I kidding? :(

Right, um, need a warmer area that no one else wants, unless I want my people to all die over the winter, as well, they are a little out of their league right now.

Nice map, but I still need a britain-sized halfway-between-equator-and-pole group of medium sized islands and I dunno where that would be. Theres some nice ones in the middle but those look too tropical.

Sorry I havent been able to post, my computer hasn't been working. If anybody hasn't taken the East coast, that's what I want, or at least a portion of it. I would be happy with the center of the place as well.

Man, you moved fast!I left for half a day, and already we have the continent and the new forum. Ok!I do have a map of the RevTerr Islands (but don't expect something very artistic) however I did not not figure out how or where to post it. I require a tropical weather (mostly because I'm too laisy to write a new background) and I would like not to have close neighbours (but I won't make a fuss over it). I liked the ideea of the newsroom in the new forum. Soon I'll post something there too. I'll move to that region possibly tomorrow (in my time) (well, accordingly to the RP, I'm already there). By the way, the main RevTerr Island has a (I hope you have this word) romboidal shape, is about Ireland size, with a dead volcano in the middle, rivers and stuff (you'll see the map) and four smaller island in the corners (so the hole arhipelague has actually a sort of square shape).

Hey! I see no Donut!

Anywho, here's my map of Eniqcir (http://timesurfer.linuxcowboy.net/eniqcir.jpg), so you have some idea of what needs to be accommodated.

EDIT NUMBA 1 -- yes, those were very rough drawings. It wouldn't be that perfectly shaped, just asking for more description on what the continent will look like when done.

EDIT NUMBA 2 -- Imnsvale crushed all the hard work I had done by already having made the map.

The map is already a U, you just have to squint... (It opens left.)

Besides, I left you guys open for a little canal project from the center lake to the ocean.

Who/what else do I need to accommodate? Eniqcir, I need to get you, sorta. (Size really isn't specified on the map, so in theory, we could fit you in anywhere.) :P

Can you show me where you've decided to put me? (AIM or on the msg brds.)

Who/what else do I need to accommodate? Eniqcir, I need to get you, sorta. (Size really isn't specified on the map, so in theory, we could fit you in anywhere.) :P

As I said previously, the height (that is, from one tip of the crescent to the other) is about the same as the height of the continental US, or approximately 2,000 kilometers.

Is this the map we are using? Or not? I can make another with minimal effort, so make sure you like this one before making me draw in the country lines freehand, trying to fit people in. :)

I like the map ya made Imnsvale. I have no problem with going with it at all.

Well, the generated map looks nice.

The only problem I can forsee, is that if someone wants this or that -- a bay, or a large island -- it's going to be tough to edit it in, or out.

Since i'm likely to be picky about how Oglethorpia turns out.

Exactly. Pardon my French, but it would be a royal bitch to make any overly large or complicated edits. I am unable at this point to undo the textures, make the edits, and then re-put the textures back on. There are many things I could do, so if its a small thing, fire away.

Exactly. Pardon my French, but it would be a royal bitch to make any overly large or complicated edits. I am unable at this point to undo the textures, make the edits, and then re-put the textures back on. There are many things I could do, so if its a small thing, fire away.

Well, if it isn't exactly what we want -- at the very least, it gives an idea of who's where, etc. etc.

Well, but wasn't the main idea of this to simulate border conflicts and the like? It's not limited to that, but it is location based. Personally, I'm not picky at all, I'd be happy anywhere, but...

A) I made my own map, and I just had to answer to me.
B) I'm not on the map, because I'm not really here, just near.

So, is this the map to fidget with the borders and such?

Guys, I need help. I'm having troubles with posting the revterran web page (in RL there's astrike around me and some power losses). Any sugestions where to post fast a web page, or at least some pictures?

http://www.free-host.com

Decent host.

I also mentioned this on the regional msg brd.

Where are we at on putting countries on the map? I love the Imnsvale map, but is a version available that's small enough to see on the screen and a small enough file that it can be viewed quickly? If there is, it might be easier to claim approx areas at least. If that map isn't editable to put countries on, then maybe we should just start over with something simpler?

In the interests of moving this along, here's what i've seen as requests for territory:

The SLAGLands: long and thin along the west coast
Eniqcir: near the equator, long west coast
RevTerr: tropical
New York n Jersey: in the northeast, an east coast but extending mostly inland
Mallberta: anywhere nicely nuked
Eastern Bloc: the northermost country
Clownland: some termperate islands
Enyalius: somewhere warm
The Offset Islands: off the southwest coast of SLAGLands
NeoWu: east coast
Oglethorpia: tropical, south coast, two offshore islands
Tanah Burung: tropical, some coast, one offshore island

(This is a TB puppet, forgot to log out)

Eniqcir: near the equator, long west coast

As close to dead center pn the equator as possible.

Here is what I propose: Everybody that already has a map of their nation, post it. Then, we can take those, see how they'll best fit together, and squeeze in those poor souls without their own maps wherever is convenient.

Find a map of the US, look at the following states, Vermont, Pennsylvannia, Rhode Island, New York,New Jersey,Conneticut,and Mass. and you'll have a clear picture of what NYNJ looks like.

It's OUTSET Islands, TB. ;)

And that looks good on my end. Other thoughts?

I'd post a lil' general map idea I made, except my host went down on me all of a sudden.

NEVERMIND!

Here's a rough draft of Oglethorpia with my desired geographical location and coastline.

Keep in mind, i'm flexible to make changes -- but not too many.

http://oglethorpia.free-host.com/images/og_rough.gif

Lo and behold, it is great.

Offset islands, where did i get that from? Guess i was thinking of offset printing, i've been dealing with book editing today.

This is the map i've been using, from my old region. If i'm north of Oglethorpia, easiest thing is to flip it to make the south coast an east coast....

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/467547/tbmap.jpg

Hopefully that's not a problem, TB.

Of course not. Nothing is a problem. All can be solved. Om mane padme hum.

http://www.revterr.bravehost.com/imagini/revterr.jpg
http://www.revterr.bravehost.com/geography.htm/image003.jpg

http://www.revterr.bravehost.com/geography/image004.jpg

If above this text you don't see a map of my island and it's position near a big brown spot that should be the Emerald Heights, then I failed again to understand something as simple as the BBCode (or the bravehost server won't let me inser pictures from it). Please go to www.revterr.bravehost.com/geography.htm
As soon as I have the time, I'll make a new site on a server I saw you are using, so that my pictures could be seen.

I know I just joined but:
1. I have a good background for this country; it's for a role playing game I'm trying to write.
2. It is small and I was hoping for it to be landlocked.
3. It has a colonial history but it's been a century since independance.
4. I think my country would be interesting. It's very internally troubled and very diverse.

Of course not. Nothing is a problem. All can be solved. Om mane padme hum.

Good, good.

If someone wants to put together a rough political map, it'll really help us get moving.

I'm going in for oral surgery today, but I should be back by Thursday (hopefully tomorrow actually, but...).

OK. I'll post said map soon. How it'll work is, it'll be divided up into (many) numbered territories, taking into account basic guidelines set forth, and then people can claim ones they want and/or look appropriate. That way, if and when nations decide to leave, or new ones come, it can be done (there will be more slots than nations so far. Mysteries! Some will be RP venues and others will just have to be reserved for later-comers. Some maybe even for expansionism. The key thing is this has to be updated.)

I'll put an equatorial line on it, but thats as far as I'll go for geography in the political map.

Maybe once this is done we can add things like climate zones and biomes and altitude and rivers and such, and then superimpose the two and get an uber-detail-chocked map!

Here the 1300x1300 version is (http://www.freewebs.com/santa_barbara/eh1.jpg) so far. A smaller version is right here:
http://www.freewebs.com/santa_barbara/ehv1.jpg

(And pardon the thick black line running through the southern countries, that is meant to be an equator.) This is just a working copy, can be pretty easily refined. I haven't put anyone where they are, but I think here are some good zones for-

Oglethorpia- 45 (and 46)
NY&NJ- 21
Eniqcir- 35 or 19
Slaglands- 10
Offset Islands - 15
NeoWu- 26, or 9..
Mallberta- 6, or maybe 8
Eastern Bloc - 1
Tanah Burung- 43 ish
Clownland (me)-23

Bear in mind those are just suggestions, I have no personal preferences, those just look like likely spots. Also, the borders can be easily redrawn. Since there's only 9 in the region so far, and 48 spots, there's plenty of room for options. Also, its slightly Mercator projection, so the northernmost countries aren't THAT larger, but they're still larger since the tropics tend to be more heavily populated.

Thoughts?

What scale is the map?

With some modification, Eniqcir could stretch over 35, 40, and 41.

I'm not sure on scale, I left it fairly loose so we could come to a consensus. But the top is the north polar region, and of course there's the equator 3/4ths the way down, so...

NS nations always have very high population densities, anyway. :wink: I don't know HOW I'll fit a half billion or so onto the Clown Islands...

I can't see the map, and clicking the links just brings me back to this page.

You have to copy and paste the address into the browser, cuz freewebs apparently doesn't allow direct linkage.

Given the choice, I think I would prefer 6... nice map by the way....

if I could have more than one area, I'd like any combination of 6,7 and 8.... I'm not too picky though.

Very nice map. Strikes me as much more land than we'll need, unless our illustrious founder is comtemplating a region of that size in the future -- so maybe claim more than one area each?

I'd be fine with 43, or if we're spreading out more to cover the space, 43 + 44 + 38 and move one of the islands over to Oglethorpia.

I'd also fit in north of Ogle at 39 with a flip of the country to have an eastern coast, if i can have the island a bit north of there.

But really anything with a bit of coast and an island in the tropics is fine.

Damned double post.

Only thing I can forsee as a problem is Slag's tropicalness-ness, considering that his long strip of land is pretty far north.

Otherwise, I like what I see. 45 and 46 are fine with me.

I love what I see and my position is good.

Ummm... Since the North Polar Region is like... got hundreds of feet of snow all the time... how about I uh... take 2 and 3 instead of 1. At least then I can build buildings... instead of dig myself snow caves. >_<

45 and 46 are a big different from my rough draft, but i'm not going to push for any changes since we're just looking to get an idea of where everybody is in relation to each other.

OKay. Yeah, wherever everyone wants. Hmm Just want to get everyone elses opinion before putting names and refining coastlines into slots. I can always do alternate versions, this took me just a few minutes. For example, with just one continent, or two or something.

SB: Changed my mind, i'll go ahead and redraw what I had in mind, since you don't seem to mind.

Except, my host is all wonky and I can't upload the image.

OK, I'll claim 47 and...that's 40 or 48, (I cant see), since an island is what I asked for from the beginning. But I think I'll stick to my map of the teritorry.
Nice job, SB!

Since SB said he didn't mind making any edits, hopefully he can do something similar to this.

http://www.freewebs.com/oglethorpia/emh%5Fog.gif

Hmmm, stupid host.

Here's the Earl. Or, URL.

http://www.freewebs.com/oglethorpia/emh%5Fog.gif

Ya gotta copy and paste it into your address bar.

Sure, I can do that. Any other changes before going to the next stage? Sorry this is taking so long.

As I said, I would like 47 and 48, but if you can redraw them to look more like my island (I'm sorry, my computer went dead and I can't post my version of the map until tomorrow evening at best). Basically, it's a square with a rhombus (it's this the word?) inside, separated by water by the other four triangles that now are formed. If you would like to keep no.48, place it in the south of the rhombus, else all will be a 47. The map of my "country" is here, http://www.revterr.bravehost.com/geography.htm
By the way, I think that the scale of the map is not important, or else we will end up asking ourselves dailly if we have enough room on the map for our population (no RL population will grow with 17 milions dailly)

OK. Very non-natural geography, but good. Should it be about the same size as 47/48?

Yes! Thanks!

http://www.freewebs.com/santa_barbara/ehv2.jpg

Same deal as always, copy and paste into address bar. I haven't put any nation names yet down but I have cleared areas for them and am about to. Before I put everyone down where they want, any other coastline changes?

Yes. My spot needs to be a little less.... gulf-ish. And either shifted up, or the equator shifted down. A refresher on what my coast should be shaped like. (http://timesurfer.linuxcowboy.net/eniqcir.jpg) Equator as close to center as possible.

Everything looks good, but can you shift The SLAGLands and The Outsets south just a smidge?

No problems here. Are we looking for countries to fill all those empty spots?

Oglethorpia- 45 (and 46)
NY&NJ- 21
Eniqcir- 35 or 19
Slaglands- 10
Offset Islands - 15
NeoWu- 26, or 9..
Mallberta- 6, or maybe 8
Eastern Bloc - 1
Tanah Burung- 43 ish
Clownland (me)-23

Bear in mind those are just suggestions, I have no personal preferences, those just look like likely spots. Also, the borders can be easily redrawn. Since there's only 9 in the region so far, and 48 spots, there's plenty of room for options. Also, its slightly Mercator projection, so the northernmost countries aren't THAT larger, but they're still larger since the tropics tend to be more heavily populated.


A reposting of SB's suggestions.

In that case, my problem can be fixed by simply adding 13 to the bottom, giving me 10 and 13.

Okay. And so I assume moving Outsets down south by that much would work too?

If we're claiming spots, shift me over to 39, it'll save editing Ogle's maglev thread. Pretty cosy for a billion and a half people, but they're all good friends.

As I said, I'll take 47 and 48
Yes. Could you delete those two little islands east and west of that "very unnatural shape"? I have my reasons to want only the five parts (four triangles and the middle part)
Thank you!

http://www.freewebs.com/santa_barbara/ehv3.jpg

Also here's the Clownland national anthem, cuz its cool. :P

http://www.freewebs.com/santa_barbara/clownland.mp3

OOC:

Looks good, Clownland/SB.

Hey, i've grown! Cool. Everything on the map looks good to me, nice job.

Hey! I look small now... *pout, pout*

Some rescaling is in order.

Looks good to me... the map that is.

If it's a mercator projection, then countries near the equator look smaller than they are, countries to the north look larger than they are. Blame the evil north European imperialist Mercator, not the excellent map maker Santa Barbara!

It is a Mercator type projection, hence the apparently huge size of the polar continent. Not that I was working from a globe or anything.

I could give out other sections of territory, but I admit I'm loathe to change the coastlines and such at this point. I probably will if someone reeally wants it.

I was thinking the empty slots would be not only for any future people but they could be "non player nations." We could give them names and backgrounds, populations, and everything. Plus, you could have wars of expansion against them later, and an opportunity for a war RP in which someones ego is not seriously threatened!

And I was wondering if maybe I could indicate locations/names of capital cities?

Looks damn fine, SB. I'm quite impressed. No joke.

So I can assume by this that there's a good chance of opening up membership again? If so, I say we start a-plug-plug-pluggin' away!

The capital of The SLAGLands is SLAGTown. About 3/4 of the way in from the ocean on that bottom notch is a good spot for it. If you want other major cities...

Kelder - west coast, fairly close to the Outsets
Orgla - somewhere in the northeast
Baramarre - central parts (also a coastal town)
Newhart - also a coastal town, north of Baramarre

Incidentally, you might want to add a small island (no more than a few miles) in the center of this group strictly for aesthetic purposes. That island is Hartshire, homeland of SLAGLandic founder Enrick von Slagalotz. It's not entirely an independent country--more of a small refugee nation very much trapped in the early 20th century. Place it parallel to Newhart, the place where von Slagalotz first landed.

And after all that... the seat of government for The Outset Islands is Gavedale, the center island. Aside from the island count being a bit small, your model actually fairly closely resembles the Outsets. If you feel like revising a little bit more, there are actually ten small islands surrounding the center island of Gavedale; these islands are known as (from due north clockwise) Bauxine, Grell, Tumsim, Pharamiga, Tund, Aarum, Cilldah, Het Amid, Remen, and Charise. There's no need to incorporate the names, but Het Amid holds the largest concentration of Outsetters and could thus be considered the island's largest city.

That's a long one, I know, but you're doing an awesome job. Feel free to give me any questions you have about what I've just told you.

NIce job! Congratulation!
All my major cities are in the main island. The Capital city is Roman, in the center. In the north corner there is Norad, in the south corner is Radu, in the east corner is Tepro, in the west there is Tempus. The four triangular islands do not have cities (and, if you look at the map here http://www.revterr.bravehost.com/geography.htm be warned that the CRistin Island "switched places" with Ceahlau -Cristim is in north East and Ceaulau in north west.)

Since the map is almost ready: What is our level of tehnology? Is it early 21'th century (meaning now with a little imagination)? ANd about that, does anybody have space assets? Or space launch platforms?

TB is modern tech only. There is no one capital, the government rotates among the six provincial capitals. I can draw these on, but the largest cities are Tiga Burung (on the offshore island), Ukun Rasikan (near the middle of the coast) and Matebian (in the farthest inland area).

I'm interested in maybe having the area next door (#43) petition to be annexed as a seventh province at some point in the future -- can't really do wars of expansion, what with no offensive military forces of any kind!

If others ask to be let in, we direct them to The SLAGLands for permission, right?

Whew! Thanks guys. Okay. Yes, I think sticking with just capital cities for now. Clownland consists of percentages of escaped and persecuted Santa Barbarian circus people, and SB is future tech. Buuut, I like the "feel" of modern or modern+ tech too.

I guess I can add some islands.

Yeah there are plenty of spaces available for other people and their nations. My recommendation is that new people get on the map the longer they exist here, "solidifying" in this reality over time. Unless its known that they're here to stay.

Well, it doesn't have to be entirely my decision. Granted, this region was my idea, but you guys have done a significant portion of the work. Maybe a voting council consisting of myself, the cartographer, and the regional delegate (Oglethorpia now, I think?) would help. This would, of course, be entirely OOCly.

OOC:

I'd rather see Tanah Burung in on the voting.

I wouldn't mind moving there, My although my Contry is roughly the size of the New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, the Gaspe Region of Quebec and Northern Maine, I never Specfied WHERE it was, so I would like to move to your newly being develped Region

Wait....Sorry, It seems I'm a little late on that one :oops: You can just ignore my request as you seem to have enough Nations and a map, and a message board.

OOC:

Hmm, I have a proposal for my Emerald Heights neighbors.

Prior to moving to the Emerald Heights, Kingsford, a fellow World Cup nation (ala Tanah Burung) was a geographic neighbor of mine.

The first issue this presents is that with the creation of a EH map, it shifts the previous position of Kingsford-to-Oglethorpia.

--- EDIT

Issue resolved. He'll just move his main nation in.

OK, any other capital cities? Mallberta, Neo-Wu, anyone?

I put Kingsford in the two spots west of Oglethorpia. Made a vague ring of 10 islands around a main one for the Outsets (added Hartshire too), and added the capitals so far. TB, I put Ukun Rashikan, since im trying to stick with one capital, but if thats mis-representative too much I guess I could add the three.

ANd about that, does anybody have space assets? Or space launch platforms?

Elevator and an Orion. Hence the need to be on the equator.

Methinks mercator projection is not enought to explain such a vast size discrepancy, but I shall check.

New Kelvin is our.. capital city.

My capital city is the arcology 'Ascetic Tunnels'.
My only space asset is the Sprace Craft Accelerator, described in one of my threads, which is effectively a massive, mountain-sized guass cannon, capable of shooting things into and out of orbit. I am beginning construction of a satellite based laser which will be used to proper my craft out to mars , the asteroid belt, and possibly beyond.

Oh, yes, capital. Forgot to mention that in previous post.

Capital city is Epsal-na-Narbhal (don't even try to pronounce it correctly, you'll only butcher it. Say Tower of the Moon if you must refer to it verbally.) Located almost dead on the equator at the western edge of the eastern mountain chain.

OK, any other capital cities? Mallberta, Neo-Wu, anyone?

I put Kingsford in the two spots west of Oglethorpia. Made a vague ring of 10 islands around a main one for the Outsets (added Hartshire too), and added the capitals so far. TB, I put Ukun Rashikan, since im trying to stick with one capital, but if thats mis-representative too much I guess I could add the three.

That's fine, it's where the foreign embassies etc are. Ukun Rasikan is the right spelling (it's Tetum for independence).

Nice to have Kingsford as a neighbour too.

For those of you who don't know, this is a Tsarainese alter.

As is evident, I'd like to move Szraion to the Emerald Heights. I tried to start interacting with this nation some time ago (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2002587), but that fell through.

However, I think that given decent neighbours and a restructuring of the place's geography and politics (basically putting it on land and making six different Citadels), I can get some use out of Szraion.

You can see an example here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2295026#2295026).

So this is a request to be allowed into the Emerald Heights; if possible I'd like either spot 11 or spot 14, preferably 11; the capital is located at the top side of the little notch in the coastline, and is named Kivaj Rekhai.

And if I don't get invited in, well, you're all more than welcome to RP with me. :)

Szraion looks good; any other thoughts from the rest of the Gallery of Infinity Peanutty Goodness?

OOC:

It's cool with me, if my $0.02 matter :wink:

Excellent. So 11's OK? I've already made a map, you see.

You'll need to telegram me the password, of course. :)

No objections here. Nice writing on those links btw.

Just out of curiosity, how many future-tech nations are we looking at in the region? Is it most of them?

Thanks. :) I think I wrote most of that stuff while I was lacking in sleep ... like now. It's five fifteen AM, I must be crazy. Still waiting on password, but have registered for the message board.

This message has been edited, expunged, and erased.

Whee! Moved. Odd that you'd put it on the forum where anyone could see it, though...

Well, you didn't find it until you were told. Why should anyone else?

Welcome, Szraion! I've added you to my Treaty offer, so feel free to sign it.