NationStates Jolt Archive

For all our OOC needs in the Melkor-NG War. This is to keep the war thread unruined and cluttered with too much OOC crap.


Invited to the war
Arda
APTO
Edolia
Pilot
Grunge-France
Vegana (More Reich members to be finalized)
Some Coalition members from 'Gods at War' threads (to be finalized)
Automagfreek (maybe: suggested to be added by Pantera; nothing official)
Iuthia (pending approval)


List will be modified by Melkor and me.

In my humble opinion, the sides are equal, melkor has arda and the reich while NG has a ton of allys, IE unaoto

Alright, we're going to need to work something out here. despite the fact that I haven't been around, that doesn't mean that my gravships would realistically sit idly by whilst everyone went about their business. I suggest starting over from just after everyon'es initial deployment posts. This means my fleets are still, say 1000 klicks away from the region, and everyone else's defenses are more or less in place. That way, we can restate the attacks and I can actually have a friggin chance to respond to them. There's no way I'm going to be able to read 10 pages, and remember each attack.

Why weren't members of UNAOTO invited, just curious. Btw Melkor, please keep Rukemia on a leash, cause if he uses gravships I will jump in to enforce a treaty that we signed that stated that he may not use gravships in an offensive action.

Alright, we're going to need to work something out here. despite the fact that I haven't been around, that doesn't mean that my gravships would realistically sit idly by whilst everyone went about their business. I suggest starting over from just after everyon'es initial deployment posts. This means my fleets are still, say 1000 klicks away from the region, and everyone else's defenses are more or less in place. That way, we can restate the attacks and I can actually have a friggin chance to respond to them. There's no way I'm going to be able to read 10 pages, and remember each attack.Well, sounds fine... hell I've only launched some stealth bombers and C-130's.

I think the first real attack on the gravships was mine (I dunno who fired on you in the beginning)... And then Elara attacked.

Are we gonna have to restart?..

Why weren't members of UNAOTO invited, just curious. Btw Melkor, please keep Rukemia on a leash, cause if he uses gravships I will jump in to enforce a treaty that we signed that stated that he may not use gravships in an offensive action.Well, Edolia and Pilot are UNAOTO members. Milantos and Mintar are free to join also.

And I'm pretty sure Iuthia will be allowed to join.

what bout intergallactic hell

No.

Is that to IH or my question on war restartion?

IH.

Oh. But will we restart the war?

No, we'll just restart the attacks on Melkor and such. The space battle with Vegana and WM continues.

Good. I'd go crazy if we totally restarted.

Why weren't members of UNAOTO invited, just curious. Btw Melkor, please keep Rukemia on a leash, cause if he uses gravships I will jump in to enforce a treaty that we signed that stated that he may not use gravships in an offensive action.

[ooc: I told Rukemia [ICly] to tell Scandavian States' goverment to stick that treaty where the sun don't shine. We don't intend on honoring it, though Rukemia may well have changed his mind. I've still got to talk it over with him though: I've been in his country restructuring his defenses, preparing for your inevitable return.]

Melk how's the invited list look?

Failure on the behalf of Rukemia to honor the treaty will result in the Star League military attacking and destroying Rukemia's gravships. We have no intention of taking on Rukemia's entire military. If worse come to worse Rukemia's officers aboard his gravships will find that the gunners on our ships are very good. I have no ill will towards Rukemia at the moment, please advise him to not foster any.

Failure on the behalf of Rukemia to honor the treaty will result in the Star League military attacking and destroying Rukemia's gravships. We have no intention of taking on Rukemia's entire military. If worse come to worse Rukemia's officers aboard his gravships will find that the gunners on our ships are very good. I have no ill will towards Rukemia at the moment, please advise him to not foster any.

I've decided to honor the treaty for now, mainly because I want no part of space warfare. Once this conflict with New Genoa has ended, however, we are willing to work out some sort of deal to end this treaty which has been a thorn in our side for sometime.

Rukemia: I have always thought highly of your intelligence and wisdom, this just proves it. Rest assured you will not be on the recieving end of our guns so long as you do not provoke our wrath.

New Genoa and allies: I have lots and lots of material that I am trying to get rid of and would be willing to sell it to interested parties at reduced cost. Inquire with us as to your needs and we may well be able to help you (we have lots of surplus tanks especially).

OK who the heck is in space with me?

I am fighting Vegana and WM. This is getting very confusing...espically with multi-post(WM)

Question to WM: How are your ships able to find the time to attack NG ground targets when you have My fleet and the other fleets pounding you?
Don't get mad...just asking.

As it seems that I am the only fleet...I must post multiple times as I am taking fire from both Vegana and WM.

Look if you can't waite for a responce from your attack...do go off attacking something else. I will not respond to someone who attacks me...doesn't waite for my counter then attacks someone else. Take your fricken time so we can limit the amount of confusion.

Example: WM launched at me...but now he moved his fleet in order to shell NG :? Do the ships "magically" reappear whilst I counter...or does NG ignore the shelling or...you get where I'm going! If you do not have the patience to wait for a responce...I suggest you don't attack.

From what I gather, elements of Western Might's armada (One of the fleets, I believe.) are pounding New Genoa, whilst the bulk of the vessels engage Allied forces.

Remember, you are, at present, only engaging Western Might ship-to-ship & hitting back at the ships hitting at you. There's no real reason why vessels not engaged in this war of attrition couldn't turn their attention to orbital bombardments- no-one's moving to stop them.

Sambizie, I´m also there, fighting with you against the combined Vegana-WM fleet.

It's too bad that I don't even have a battlegroup yet, otherwise I'd be helping out with the space battle.

OK thanks :lol:

The problem is this: I was fully armed and positioned over APTO when the Vegana and WM fleets arrived. The standing order was, that if ANY ship posed signs of hositility..ie: power surges, flight operations..ect., That they would be fired on.

I go offline...come back & have thousands of missiles comming at me..another fleet flanking me and also firing at me. The point is people are moving way too fast and throwing weapons around faster than anyone can counter. It is like me saying: Battleships fire all weapons at you, then head towards the other side of the planet". OR, (while you were offline...my forces over ran your beach head cause you didn't respond to the shore bombardment fast enough".

I guess I'm a "stickler" for realism and logistics...as for this mess going on now...I agree with NG and Melkor that we should start over. Seriously, how was my fleet able to get "jumped" that bad when I first had position.

I'm not going to sit here and complain without offering some kind of solution. So here goes...
I suggest that the space faring nations stick to space. If you are going to send troops to the surface..it should be in the form of reinforcement and they should be commanded by an ally on the ground...not you. It is bad enough trying to maintain a single front...let alone a ground force as well.

I suggest we start a thread and post "exactly" what we are comming in with and any reinforcements arriving(you can do this through editing your post). You can add and subtract the equipment from "this" post. If you are space based...and send ground troops, TG an ally and give them command of the troops. They can then add it to their list. There are already a "crapload" of people, (usually happens when regions go to war) but there is little to NO orginazition right now. A war of this scale must be orginized better if it is going to be a "clean" RP.

I know some of you are cringing at the very thought of "another" thread..as it will be time consuming to edit post, however, does this war have to be won today?

I'm not sure where things are, but these forces are currently within the Republic of Adejaani (APTO member) and gearing up for war. This includes basically ALL the reserves and dug in equipment. Also, most of my Naval forces are off defending Pantera from Tilsiltsin, so don't expect anything more from me.

Observe http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46032&highlight= here, including the date of declaration.

Space/future forces (ignored in modern conflict)

48x VF-1X Valkyrie+
240x SA-43 Hammerhead
96x SB-43 Mako
48x SEA-43 Howler
240x ISSCV

Conventional modern forces


Naval:

1x Nimitz
8x Arsenal Ships
4x Ticonderoga
4x Arleigh Burke
4x Spruance VLS conversions
16x Oliver Hazard Perry
10x Ohio SSGN conversions
8x Los Angeles

Air:

48x F-14E Tomcat Quickstrike
200x F/A-18H Yellow Jacket
200x F-14H Alleycat
144x A-6 Intruders
24x EA-6B Prowler
860x F/A-22 Raptor
1000x F-15E Strike Eagle
120x Tornado GR-4
96x F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
288x F-16E Supreme Falcon
1000x F/A-18E Super Hornet
48x F-111F Aardvark
24x B-52 Stratofortress
96x B-1B Lancer
96x B-2 Spirit
10x E-4 NEACP
3x VC-25 "Air Force One"
288x UH-60M Blackhawk
24x RAH-66 Commanche
24x AH-64 Apache
48x V-22 Osprey
48x CH-53E
24x MH-47 Chinook
24x CV-22 Osprey
24x V-22 AEW
24x V-22 ASW
24x MH-60S Seahawk
48x E-767 AWACS
96x KC-767 Tanker
144x C-17 Globemaster III
96x C-5 Galaxy
2x 767-400ER
2x C-40

Ground:

Roughly 3000x KAF-90D
Roughly 3000x M1A2 Abrams
3000x+ M2A3 Bradley
3000x+ MLRS
Roughly 1 million regular Light Infantry (with SAWs, ATGMs etc)
Roughly 350 MILLION civilians taking up M16A2 rifles

OK who the heck is in space with me?

if you want me to switch theaters, I can. Right now my space forces are in an air battle with Melkor

anyway, my stats:
AO Forces:

10 land divisions
Each division includes:
(nore: all forces have Ablative armor)
800,000 Orclec Rifle Hoplites
400,000 Centaur Troops (these are actual Centaurs)
200,000 Greek Fire Foot Troops (they have greek fire)
200,000 Trident Guards
800 Chariot Tanks
800 Zeus Cybers
800 Hyperon Cybers
4,000 Catapult Cannons

Space:
5 Battle Groups

Each Battle Group includes:

1 Zeus (50 wings of Oblisk Fighters), 2 Titan (20 wings), 5 Pyramid (10 wings), 10 Posidon (5 wings), 20 Barracuda (no wings)
(note: Zeus is equipped with MSV (Morning Star 5)

*jumps up and down and waves hand*

I wanna be invited!

*jumps up and down and waves hand*

I wanna be invited!
OOC: To kill the pro-NG space fleets?

*jumps up and down and waves hand*

I wanna be invited!
OOC: To kill the pro-NG space fleets?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss....

I have ships to test in combat.

Huh... why does everyone want to kill me. :cry:

Huh... why does everyone want to kill me. :cry:

I want more territory.

ADK must expand.

Besides, we'll treat your citizens very kindly. More so than Melkor would. We were your allies after all.

OCC: okay so what is going on, ive been gone for a while, sounds like we REALLY need to start over, i agree with NG and Melkor

well ive been reading and nothing is correct, people are attacking others at positions where no body is anymore, whole armies, navys, air forces, and space fleets are being ignored, everyone is rapid posting, i think it was time to start over a long time ago

Agreed. From where I stand I've seen the attackers come in, declare everything to be shit, and go about thier own business.

1) We established Air Supremacy over the APTO awhile back, at the beginning of the Tilsitsin conflict, and as I know nothing different, we remain in control of the skies,m hence no bombing raids, no drops, nothing until it is no longer in our hands. The might of allies natioins in the area is significant, so I don't think it's a godmod to say that not many dropships/bombers/stealth whathefockever would make it to NG without you all first securing supremacy of the skies.

2) As far aws I know, ADK wasn't invited(if I'm wrong please point me to the invite), he rushed in, suddenly dropped massive amounts of devasation on NG, during his first two minutes involved. I think we need to take a moment or two to gain some perspective here. Everyone is far too ready to use superfocking destruction without a second thought. If you look through RL history, you'll notice that while a few people tore off and killed everyone, most of even the maddest men stepped back and thought THIS IS A BAD FUCKING IDEA. I'M A MORON SO I WON'T RUIN THE WAR BY KILLING MILLIONS OF CIVILIANS.

Let's fight a fucking war, people. Rather than throw some big bombs at each other right off the bat and call it a day. Use your fucking head everyone, for the love of god. All shit like that does is ruin RP, and from now on I'll be slapping an ignore on those who aren't mature enough to play with big guns, and I'll fucking walk.

Christ. Why does this always happen...

well, for the record, I had no idea ADK was going to do that.

That said, New Genoa didn't take ADK aside and say "hey, you're not on the list," instead the attack was accepted. Hence, it's too late to really do anything about it [though it does seem odd that a wing of bombers would fly in uncontested like that].

But come on, the list has been a freaking joke. I haven't seen you guys turn down a single ally, and a good deal of them were not on the agreed-upon list [at least not in the beginning] like Grunge-France, Pilot, and a few others I think.

Although In character melkor is supposed to be evil, IRL he is very sensable, but beacuse there are over a score of CRITICAL errors and mistakes, and even thought it will be a big ordeal, i DO say we re-start from a point where there were no shots fired yet, and after all, we all know how much we like war, its just like doing another one =) but this time make it sensable, i agree with pantera, thorwing big bombs at eachother isnt fun, but we do have nukes, and will use them, but not in MAssive amounts, i mean come on, i have 10 nukes, and i find them replusive, i was planning on dropping them all on his[melkor's] fleet from space(seeing as they are sub-orbital rigged)

My main point is, there were many CRITICAL errors, like whole entire ARMIES ignored, so lets start over.....when it comes down to it, it will be fun anyways ;-)

Although In character melkor is supposed to be evil, IRL he is very sensable, but beacuse there are over a score of CRITICAL errors and mistakes, and even thought it will be a big ordeal, i DO say we re-start from a point where there were no shots fired yet, and after all, we all know how much we like war, its just like doing another one =) but this time make it sensable, i agree with pantera, thorwing big bombs at eachother isnt fun, but we do have nukes, and will use them, but not in MAssive amounts, i mean come on, i have 10 nukes, and i find them replusive, i was planning on dropping them all on his[melkor's] fleet from space(seeing as they are sub-orbital rigged)

My main point is, there were many CRITICAL errors, like whole entire ARMIES ignored, so lets start over.....when it comes down to it, it will be fun anyways ;-)

NG and I decided that would be a good idea [at least, I think New Genoa was in favor of it], and we sort of already did it. I rewound my fleets back a little ways, and told everyone to repost their first attack. So far, in the new progression, I'm about 300km off the shore [I think], and closing fast on Blaine Island.

And as a gesture of goodwill towards Melkor, the Adejaani Fleet is restructured slightly. Only four Arsenal Ships will be there, in existence (the other two are arrayed against Tilsiltsin eslewhere, see above for rest of the Fleet totals and the like). Each ship will contain only about 2000 TASMs and the rest are variously divided into Harpoons, Anti Air Missiles etc

Though my Ohio SSGNs, which are being tested out by America would stand as they are for a mass total of 1540 TASMs (they'd pair up and try to maximise their hit areas).

One final note about the 350 million civilians taking up Rifles to defend Adejaani and NG, they're civilians with minimal training, so they'd probably die very quick. LOL

The problem is this: I was fully armed and positioned over APTO when the Vegana and WM fleets arrived. The standing order was, that if ANY ship posed signs of hositility..ie: power surges, flight operations..ect., That they would be fired on.

1) Well, let me remind you, that you arrived from hyperspace. AFTER my spacefleet had arrived. You remember the discussion about deploying troops underneath my fleet?

2) Let me remind you about what you said:

I doubt it....I want full spreads and "target" fire on the first vessel that powers it's weapons...understood?

That pretty damn explicit states "if anyone powers their weapons". After this short retrospect, could we go on please? Sometimes you wishes things to be different, but these are your own words. I got to fire first just because I'm a freaking aggressive warmonger. Take your punishment, that's the prize you pay for trying to be a good guy and make us turn back with words.

"Always come out of hyperspace blazing"
-Some old chinese guy

OK thanks :lol:

The problem is this: I was fully armed and positioned over APTO when the Vegana and WM fleets arrived. The standing order was, that if ANY ship posed signs of hositility..ie: power surges, flight operations..ect., That they would be fired on.

I go offline...come back & have thousands of missiles comming at me..another fleet flanking me and also firing at me. The point is people are moving way too fast and throwing weapons around faster than anyone can counter. It is like me saying: Battleships fire all weapons at you, then head towards the other side of the planet". OR, (while you were offline...my forces over ran your beach head cause you didn't respond to the shore bombardment fast enough".

I guess I'm a "stickler" for realism and logistics...as for this mess going on now...I agree with NG and Melkor that we should start over. Seriously, how was my fleet able to get "jumped" that bad when I first had position.

I'm not going to sit here and complain without offering some kind of solution. So here goes...
I suggest that the space faring nations stick to space. If you are going to send troops to the surface..it should be in the form of reinforcement and they should be commanded by an ally on the ground...not you. It is bad enough trying to maintain a single front...let alone a ground force as well.

I suggest we start a thread and post "exactly" what we are comming in with and any reinforcements arriving(you can do this through editing your post). You can add and subtract the equipment from "this" post. If you are space based...and send ground troops, TG an ally and give them command of the troops. They can then add it to their list. There are already a "crapload" of people, (usually happens when regions go to war) but there is little to NO orginazition right now. A war of this scale must be orginized better if it is going to be a "clean" RP.

I know some of you are cringing at the very thought of "another" thread..as it will be time consuming to edit post, however, does this war have to be won today?

Yeah, I agree, everyone's getting sort've ahead of themselves, but remember, you have the right to pre-empt people where acceptable, & thus invalidate certain moves of theirs.

FFRP might be turn-based, but not in the same sense as an RPG like Final Fantasy is.

Example:

Gavfleet A fires a bunch've missiles at Gravfleet B at range, & then drives forward, firing railguns & stuff at B's ships.

Gravfleet B, in all likliehood, would've started firing missiles more or less as soon as A did, & would have the right to RP in their response as though they did so, rendering A's drive forward sort've useless, or dangerous, at any rate, as they're charging into all sorts of missile fire & their point defences would be at vastly reduced effectiveness.

Gravfleet B would not simply soak up the long range attack & the short range attack & then hit back. The RPing might go backwards & forwards in turns, but the "real" fighting is actually constant & going on all at once.

Thus, if people are firing at you, moving their fleets, opening fire on someone else, & then moving to flank you, it is quite possible for you to basically render the posts where they fire on the other guy, move around & try to flank you null & void if you respond to their FIRST moves in such a way that their secondary ones are no longer possible, or seem totally ridiculous & dangerous.

I'm sorry, I know that that isn't terribly clear- you understan it a lot better if you've ever FFRPed a duel with your character & someone else's, I don't think many are familiar with it on NS & it's hard to translate into troop movement etc. terms in an easily understandable way.

Concerning the MOABing: TJ is right, the eastern half was only effected, but you've seem to forgot how populated this cities are. Casualties are more than 50 million and most military was located in the west. I would've had no probelm if my military was MOABed, but y'know, I kinda got a little pissed when someone decides to kill off a shitload of civilians.

Just my .02

Should I be permitted, some, if not all of my army will arrive as reinforcements due to a hold up in my own region (big nation has become imperialistic).

I will post further details about my technology later… assuming they are needed. Here is are the forces I’m sending in, they are laughable due to the lack of naval units, but I need to work out my navy somemore.


Infantry (please note that anything not described is assumed to be regular soldiers)

300,000 Regular Soldiers - Iuthia

7,000 Marines - Iuthia

5,000 Iuthian Commandoes - Iuthia

500 Black Viper Specialists – Iuthia

Total Troops – 1,412,500

Ground Vehicles

200 LTG2 Scout Tank - Iuthia
400 MTG3 Battle Tank - Iuthia
100 AAG15 Anti Air Tank – Iuthia
150 HTG3 Support Artillery – Iuthia

120 M3 Hummers - Iuthia

Naval Forces

100 PN4 “Seagull” carrier-based fighters – Iuthia
1 Iuthian Destroyer – Iuthia
2 Iuthian Nuclear Submarines – Iuthia
4 Iuthian Guided-Missile Frigates – Iuthia
3 Iuthian Carriers – Iuthia

10 BVG1 Spotter Helicopter – Iuthia

Air Forces

150 PFG4 fighter planes – Iuthia
75 PHG3 fighter/bombers – Iuthia

20 PT2 “Mule” Transports – Iuthia
20 PB3 “Flame Strike” heavy bombers – Iuthia
20 PH2 “Flying Doc” hospital aircraft – Iuthia
5 PR2 “Death Trap” refuelling planes – Iuthia
5 PS4 “Eagle-eye” spy/radar planes – Iuthia

10 Hippogriff Support Craft – Iuthia
30 BVG2 Transport Helicopter – Iuthia
20 BVG3 Attack Helicopter – Iuthia

20 LHG2 Hover Tank – Iuthia
30 MHG2 Hover Tank – Iuthia
10 HHG2 Hover Tank – Iuthia

General deGritz, leader of Iuthia – OOC Post

Concerning the MOABing: TJ is right, the eastern half was only effected, but you've seem to forgot how populated this cities are. Casualties are more than 50 million and most military was located in the west. I would've had no probelm if my military was MOABed, but y'know, I kinda got a little pissed when someone decides to kill off a shitload of civilians.

Just my .02

Who did that? Whoever it was is now #2 on my list, now that Rukemia and I will be signing a non-aggression pact after the war.

Who did that? Whoever it was is now #2 on my list, now that Rukemia and I will be signing a non-aggression pact after the war.

It was ADK... in case you missed all the lovely flamage in the NS section last night, or his posts in the thread on page 11. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70632&start=200)

(Page 11? Confusing? About six pages of OOC stuff got split off last night, rendering the thread considerably shorter.)

The problem is this: I was fully armed and positioned over APTO when the Vegana and WM fleets arrived. The standing order was, that if ANY ship posed signs of hositility..ie: power surges, flight operations..ect., That they would be fired on.

1) Well, let me remind you, that you arrived from hyperspace. AFTER my spacefleet had arrived. You remember the discussion about deploying troops underneath my fleet?

2) Let me remind you about what you said:

I doubt it....I want full spreads and "target" fire on the first vessel that powers it's weapons...understood?

That pretty damn explicit states "if anyone powers their weapons". After this short retrospect, could we go on please? Sometimes you wishes things to be different, but these are your own words. I got to fire first just because I'm a freaking aggressive warmonger. Take your punishment, that's the prize you pay for trying to be a good guy and make us turn back with words.

"Always come out of hyperspace blazing"
-Some old chinese guy

Well I guess I'll have to be a bit more specific and better detailed when I post...lol No harm no foul :lol: I actually confused myself...I had 3 JFK Carriers in the area when Melkor first announced he was taking an offensive...but I did not issue the "hail" until my other ships arrived (after yours) Sorry :D

All in all I would like to RP with ya Vegana...anyone have ideas on how this could get cleaned up? IF we start over.

Well I guess I'll have to be a bit more specific and better detailed when I post...lol No harm no foul :lol: I actually confused myself...I had 3 JFK Carriers in the area when Melkor first announced he was taking an offensive...but I did not issue the "hail" until my other ships arrived (after yours) Sorry :D

All in all I would like to RP with ya Vegana...anyone have ideas on how this could get cleaned up? IF we start over.

I'm not sure it so messy. The best thing is to split up the fighting. AS far as I know I'm fighting Sambizie and Elarian troops, and then those traitors TIASD, with Milesian troops in the background and new Empire firing from the ground. I try to take a beating from you guys but suddenly a lot other people is shooting at me. I'm gonna focus on ground battle instead. It is SOOO much easier. The battle in space generally doesn't create more than air- and space superiority. So if we got a standoff in space we could carry on with the important stuff, without anyone being able to ortillery away resistance on the ground but on the other hand noone being able to stop the INVOLVED parties deploying troops and material. How does that sound?

Well I guess I'll have to be a bit more specific and better detailed when I post...lol No harm no foul :lol: I actually confused myself...I had 3 JFK Carriers in the area when Melkor first announced he was taking an offensive...but I did not issue the "hail" until my other ships arrived (after yours) Sorry :D

All in all I would like to RP with ya Vegana...anyone have ideas on how this could get cleaned up? IF we start over.

I'm not sure it so messy. The best thing is to split up the fighting. AS far as I know I'm fighting Sambizie and Elarian troops, and then those traitors TIASD, with Milesian troops in the background and new Empire firing from the ground. I try to take a beating from you guys but suddenly a lot other people is shooting at me. I'm gonna focus on ground battle instead. It is SOOO much easier. The battle in space generally doesn't create more than air- and space superiority. So if we got a standoff in space we could carry on with the important stuff, without anyone being able to ortillery away resistance on the ground but on the other hand noone being able to stop the INVOLVED parties deploying troops and material. How does that sound?

I do believe it is best to split up the fighting. Hell, there was so much stuff flying around space I really didn't know who or what was firing..lol I'll agree with the ortillery, (just different kinds of nukes in my book). As far as supplying: Deploying from space would be good, but the dropships would have to face their own fate from AA fire when they enter the atmosphere...and what abot fighters who wish to take "pot" shots at the dropships?

I'm trying to "grasp" this whole space thing...I've only been in a couple major conflicts so far. Unlike "most" space fighters...mine can enter and exit the atmosphere at will...(transatmospheric). We should post links to our equipment as to get a better understanding. As you stated, ground battles are SOOOO much eaiser :lol:

Concerning the MOABing: TJ is right, the eastern half was only effected, but you've seem to forgot how populated this cities are. Casualties are more than 50 million and most military was located in the west. I would've had no probelm if my military was MOABed, but y'know, I kinda got a little pissed when someone decides to kill off a shitload of civilians.

Just my .02
OOC: You should have seen how ADK ortillery-ed, missile striked, and carpetbombed my cities for condemning him :roll:
But I accepted it anyways, to not start a Bitchfest, and I have my own plans :twisted:

Oh yeah, don't forget the whole mess over at the SkyNet incident.

I do believe it is best to split up the fighting. Hell, there was so much stuff flying around space I really didn't know who or what was firing..lol I'll agree with the ortillery, (just different kinds of nukes in my book). As far as supplying: Deploying from space would be good, but the dropships would have to face their own fate from AA fire when they enter the atmosphere...and what abot fighters who wish to take "pot" shots at the dropships?

Speaking only for me I would count on a reasonable rate of losses entering and deploying dropships on hostile ground until I secured, big enough area for deploying safely. Not great losses , but reasonable. One cannot deploy untroubled in a hostile area.


I'm trying to "grasp" this whole space thing...I've only been in a couple major conflicts so far. Unlike "most" space fighters...mine can enter and exit the atmosphere at will...(transatmospheric). We should post links to our equipment as to get a better understanding. As you stated, ground battles are SOOOO much eaiser :lol:

Just want to avoid techwanking. I T-gramed specs to Elara, because I thought I was attacking mainly him after the initial hit. I don't want to post specs for everyone and because of the fictous nature of the game some tech has to be given some leeway as to others are plain impossible and GodMod. So far, the tech is on a reaonable level but I have to agree with Melkor, some pretty young nations has really huge fleets. (cardboard anyone?) And it is easy to give the sheer numbers more weight than they have to have.

Who did that? Whoever it was is now #2 on my list, now that Rukemia and I will be signing a non-aggression pact after the war.

It was ADK... in case you missed all the lovely flamage in the NS section last night, or his posts in the thread on page 11. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70632&start=200)

(Page 11? Confusing? About six pages of OOC stuff got split off last night, rendering the thread considerably shorter.)

lol, I flamed him good :lol:

Speaking only for me I would count on a reasonable rate of losses entering and deploying dropships on hostile ground until I secured, big enough area for deploying safely. Not great losses , but reasonable. One cannot deploy untroubled in a hostile area.

I agree.


Just want to avoid techwanking. I T-gramed specs to Elara, because I thought I was attacking mainly him after the initial hit. I don't want to post specs for everyone and because of the fictous nature of the game some tech has to be given some leeway as to others are plain impossible and GodMod. So far, the tech is on a reaonable level but I have to agree with Melkor, some pretty young nations has really huge fleets. (cardboard anyone?) And it is easy to give the sheer numbers more weight than they have to have.

I'll have to TG Elara for those specs. unless you have a link? Here is what I "mostly" use:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62892

I'm trying to dig up the R&D thread cause it also gives Production schedules...etc. If interested.

"So far, the tech is on a reaonable level but I have to agree with Melkor, some pretty young nations has really huge fleets. (cardboard anyone?) And it is easy to give the sheer numbers more weight than they have to have."



That´s so true: I mean, to be honest, I jus tstarted my space program like 2 weeks ago RL time, by purchasing some vessels: that´s why I only have one Space Fleet, with mediocre ships and with no great numbers, and then I have nothing.

I´m already making a HUGE program of constructing Yards, of purchasing materials, purchasing vessels, I´m getting loans so I have a HUGE amount of money to start massive mining operations of specific minerals and production of Vessels, I´m going to stay without a single space vessel for a good time while I start all this, I´ve just lost a Carrier because well, the pilots are not that great, and...

And then a smaller nation claims to have more vessels and a whole industry that came up from nothing, and that has GREAT ships and GREAT space soldiers even if tey had no experience...

I agree Grunge, people need to take it slower. My McKenna Battleship took five days to build and up until today I have been building my ships one at a time. Finally I got sick of it going so slow and decided to build an expansion so that I could do four at a time.

As for the stats, you have to remember that most of this stuff was borrowed from one kind of game or another, so what they post is what the ships have in the game. One thing I do have a promlem with is people claiming they have two mile long battlecruisers and that those ships have anti-cap weapons in the upper tens. Come on, do you realize how much energy draw that takes just to keep them powered along with your critical systems? It'd make the reactors go critical if you fired them at the same time.

well, for the record, I had no idea ADK was going to do that.

That said, New Genoa didn't take ADK aside and say "hey, you're not on the list," instead the attack was accepted. Hence, it's too late to really do anything about it [though it does seem odd that a wing of bombers would fly in uncontested like that].

But come on, the list has been a freaking joke. I haven't seen you guys turn down a single ally, and a good deal of them were not on the agreed-upon list [at least not in the beginning] like Grunge-France, Pilot, and a few others I think.Agreed. It's my fault for not stepping up and stopping all this. So I'm sorry, but hell, so many nations were just jumping in that it seemed worthless anyways.