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The Empire of Treznor has worked long and hard to perfect the process of fusion. In a startling turn of events, some of our scientists made a remarkable discovery that has resulted in a non-chemical form of cold fusion. This new fusion process takes advantage of a well-known technology in the form of vacuum tubes; namely, the humble television set. It uses an electrical grid to bombard fuel with electrons until the element is overwhelmed and fuses to form a heavier element. The resulting energy produced is released in the form of more electrons which go on to sustain the fusion reaction so long as fuel is present or the grid is shut down. Excess electrons are then captured and returned as free energy.

This breakthrough is remarkable for several reasons. First, the efficiency of the process is well in excess of 90%. There is very little waste heat, hence the label of "cold" fusion. Second, the power required to begin the self-sustaining fusion process is remarkably low. The average television set requires more power to operate than one of our standard generators. Last, but not least, any element can be used as fuel; the heavier the element the greater the power requirement to start the fusion process. Furthermore, the byproduct of the process is a pure form of the fused element along with the generated electrical current.

The Empire is proud of this achievement, and realises that this cannot help but change the world. Even now, Treznor's primary industry of automobile manufacturing is being refitted to take advantage of the process. In three years, all Treznor automobiles will operate on clean, quiet and efficient fusion generators rather than the old combustion engines. Early tests of the new engines have demonstrated there will be no sacrifice in performance.

The Empire is now opening this new technology to the nations of the world. We will open negotiations for any nation wishing to purchase fusion generators or the knowledge to build them for themselves. We will accept technology trades or monetary compensation for the plans, although we will not consider any offer below 10 trillion USD in compensation.

We invite the nations of the world to avail themselves of this new technology to spawn the beginning of a new era for us all.

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Emperor Devon I
Empire of Treznor
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Very nice.

OOC: Your emperor is cute. :P

IC: Welcome to the enlightened world of controlled fusion. We hope this technology will help your nation reach glory among your peers.

Bump for attention. Thank you for your patience.

Our country has not yet mastered Cold Fusion

We would pay a lot for you to set up a plant and give us the plans (we hope to adapt this into submarines)

We don;t need it...

we got dark matter :P

I feel it necessary to point out that nations wishing to obtain this technology from us must have something of value in return. The Empire of Treznor is not in the business of charity. $10 trillion is not a trivial sum to offer; even with our population and "frightening" economy, we'd be spending several years budgeting for it, or paying off massive loans. We are not intending extortion, but reasonable compensation for the time and effort we put into this research.

Either offer us something or don't ask. It's that simple.

Also, if you have alternate forms of energy and don't need cold fusion, obviously this offer does not apply to you. You needn't belabour the obvious.

The Shogunate is interested in this compact technology. Perhaps assistance and the technology used in our mass drivers (most notably the "Space Taxi" used to launch the Archangel class carrier into orbit) would serve as a reasonable exchange?

http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/CGgoods/tsume5.JPG
~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs
~Immortal Shogunate of Reploid Productions

We gladly agree to the exchange offered by Reploid Technologies. As it is possible to miniaturise our fusion as far as you can miniaturise a vacuum tube, we feel that the two technologies make for a powerful combination. If desired, we look forward to renewed collaboration on the research front.

Our fusion plants work fine the way they are. We see no need to change to cold fusion.

We will buy the plans. 20 Trillion.

I will trade you plans for the T-Virus™.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71359&highlight=

I will also throw in a recipe for low-cost frozen yogurt, guarenteed to raise troop morale as they eat "ice cream" that is healthy for them and can be made to taste like nearly anything! How bout it?

The Dominion of Kotterdam would like to offer Treznor the sum of 15 trillion dollars over the next ten years to aid us in switching our power grid over to cold fusion, as well as aiding in the construction of manufacturing plants. This agreement would include the delivery of a single cold fusion powerplant to be incorporated in the CVX project's Augmented Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier in no less than one and no more than three years, as well as aid in the design and production of reactors for use in both our nuclear submarines and our armoured vehicles. This latter task is to be completed no later than eight years into the contract. Finally, Treznor would be required to assist the Dominion of Kotterdam in the adaptation of their technology to civilian uses. We await your reply.

- Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Crimmond: Agreed. It's a pleasure doing business with you.

American Rome: Denied. We are not interested in biological weapons.

Kotterdam: We have no wish to see you beggar yourselves for the sake of new technology, and attempting 15 trillion over ten years with your budget (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Kotterdam) would certainly achieve that effect. As a compromise, we'll accept $10 trillion over twenty years with trade treaties granting us favoured trade status within your nation during that period. If you accept this compromise, we can begin sending parts and technicians to your nation shortly.

Devon Treznor
Emperor

OOC:
How would adding more electrons cause elements to fuse? Now, if you used normal elements and positive ions, and added electrons to the normal elements, then it COULD fuse, but wouldnt make as much energy as you think.

We use Gasses mined from our colonies.

OOC:
How would adding more electrons cause elements to fuse? Now, if you used normal elements and positive ions, and added electrons to the normal elements, then it COULD fuse, but wouldnt make as much energy as you think.
OOC: IANAP, but the idea is that if you can overcome the Coulomb barrier (http://www.aero.tailus.com/glossary/c/o/u/lomb/index.html) to ionise particles and force them to collide with each other. The trick is to get them to focus their collisions on each other rather than jumping field lines. When particles collide they fuse into new elements, hence the name "fusion."

Anyway, this site (http://www.aero.tailus.com/energy/fusion/) explains it much better than I could. Read it through to understand what I'm offering here.

We use Gasses mined from our colonies.
Thank you for your inane comment that added nothing to this thread. We sincerely appreciate it. Honestly, we do.

Really, folks. If you don't need it, don't bother responding. We won't be offended if you don't jump on the bandwagon and beg for something you don't need.

Kotterdam: We have no wish to see you beggar yourselves for the sake of new technology, and attempting 15 trillion over ten years with your budget (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Kotterdam) would certainly achieve that effect. As a compromise, we'll accept $10 trillion over twenty years with trade treaties granting us favoured trade status within your nation during that period. If you accept this compromise, we can begin sending parts and technicians to your nation shortly.

Devon Treznor
Emperor

This is most acceptable. It is a pleasure doing business with you.

Tag - out of interest

Just as a quirk for our scientists to look over, we would like to purchase the rights to the plans for your cold fusion reactor. Cost is what, 10 Trillion USD? Money wired upon confirmation.

Kotterdam: excellent. We'll expect the first payment by the end of the year, and we'll begin sending the transfers immediately after.

Indra Prime: while we admire your enthusiasm, as with Kotterdam we have no wish to bankrupt you. You will need to demonstrate your ability to pay (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=indra%20prime) before we will release this technology to you. If you have allies or other creditors willing to float you a loan, I suggest you call in those favours.

Ten trillion dollars is not a casual withdrawal, folks. This one is going to require role-play for most nations.

Treznor was right. Ten trillion dollars was no trivial sum, and neither was the five hundred billion that made up the country's first installment. It was well worth the price, though. Nonetheless, there was almost a revolt in the Ministry of Finance when the Prime Minister announced that they needed to find space in their budget... Still, it was done, and when the benefits were pointed out all complaints ceased.

We know it is not a tivial sum of money and we assure you that we can afford it. We are pulling in literally trillions out of our space mines and off a little solar system we like to call Rhetalia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66430). Fear not. You will most definitely not bankrupt us.

We gladly agree to the exchange offered by Reploid Technologies. As it is possible to miniaturise our fusion as far as you can miniaturise a vacuum tube, we feel that the two technologies make for a powerful combination. If desired, we look forward to renewed collaboration on the research front.

We can send researchers and the pertinent data to assist Treznor scientists in developing new electromagnetic catapault systems as soon as your people are ready to receive them.

One question though, as we would rather know ahead of time instead of find out the hard way- is it alright for RPRA Techcorp to sell goods that use this new technology, and may we share with our close ally Sneaky Bastards, as they're the ones who helped us with the construction of the Space Taxi?

http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/CGgoods/tsume2.JPG
~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs
~Immortal Shogunate of Reploid Productions

We can send researchers and the pertinent data to assist Treznor scientists in developing new electromagnetic catapault systems as soon as your people are ready to receive them.
We're very pleased to hear this. We should be ready to receive you within two months.

One question though, as we would rather know ahead of time instead of find out the hard way- is it alright for RPRA Techcorp to sell goods that use this new technology, and may we share with our close ally Sneaky Bastards, as they're the ones who helped us with the construction of the Space Taxi?
We have no objections to this. We recognise that once this technology is released, we will have very little control over it. Not all nations are as honourable as you. For the moment, we're merely attempting to recoup some of the resources that went into developing our product. We impose no restrictions on this fusion process once the plans have been handed over.

We know it is not a tivial sum of money and we assure you that we can afford it. We are pulling in literally trillions out of our space mines and off a little solar system we like to call Rhetalia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66430). Fear not. You will most definitely not bankrupt us.
Your references are acceptable to us. We will have the plans couriered to you by the end of the month.

We thank you for your sale. It will provide many hours of amusement for our currently bored scientists.

Our scientists would be very interested in such an advance. Contact the Ministry of Space and we can work out a deal.

This is a very interesting concept, and I have to say that we would like to obtain it. Alas, currently, $10 Trillion is slightly out of our price range at this point (due to current budget allocations). However, a trade of technologies would be right up our alley.

As I'm sure you're aware, the Hack has quite the IT industry. We would be willing to perform an audit of your current systems, and give a wholesale upgrade (including the usual tech support contracts and such) to a value that would be equivalent to $12T. This will include hardware, installation, software, various connections, necessary upgrades to telecommunications infrastructure, etc. etc. etc.

I can't give specifics right now, as I don't know your current capacities. Needless to say, you will certainly get your money's worth from us.

- Dr. Josef Specter, Head of Information Technology
The Semi-Autonomous Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

To: The Most Glorious Hack

Sir, you drive a hard bargain.

If you are willing to sign a confidentiality clause with independent review of the work performed, we will agree.

Of course. We have no intention of declairing you abilities to the world. The review is simply so that we know where we're starting from.

- Dr. Josef Specter, Head of Information Technology
The Semi-Autonomous Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Fyreheart is most interested in this technology, and wishes to know if 10 trillion USD over a period of 15 years is an acceptable arrangement.

EDIT: I tried the GDP calculator, but for some reason it wouldn't load.

Fyreheart is most interested in this technology, and wishes to know if 10 trillion USD over a period of 15 years is an acceptable arrangement.
We find your references (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=fyreheart) to be quite satisfactory. We will accept payments totalling $10 trillion over fifteen years if you will also include a favoured trade status for that period in your offer.

Congratulations on your success. We are also interested in this Cold Fusion. We will pay 120 billion USD for lectures about this technology, blueprints of a powerplant and four powerplants that you'll hopely build for us.

And I'm sorry, we can't offer much more without ruining our nations economy.

Congratulations on your success. We are also interested in this Cold Fusion. We will pay 120 billion USD for lectures about this technology, blueprints of a powerplant and four powerplants that you'll hopely build for us.
We regret that 120 billion is insufficient compensation for what you're asking. Please review our offer and reconsider your proposal. If you are unable to come up with the cash, the matter is negotiable in the form of tech trades or other methods of renumeration.

Fyreheart is most interested in this technology, and wishes to know if 10 trillion USD over a period of 15 years is an acceptable arrangement.
We find your references (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=fyreheart) to be quite satisfactory. We will accept payments totalling $10 trillion over fifteen years if you will also include a favoured trade status for that period in your offer.

That is acceptable. TG me with the details and we'll be more than happy to talk.

We regret that 120 billion is insufficient compensation for what you're asking. Please review our offer and reconsider your proposal. If you are unable to come up with the cash, the matter is negotiable in the form of tech trades or other methods of renumeration.

Well, what would you want? Obviously, you don't need any uranium or basic nuclear fusion tech.. We can offer some Stun Gun technology we acquired with Feline's help, and a gold mine for your use. I'm afraid that the gold mine won't cover all the costs, I'ts estimated to have gold worth for 600 billion USD..

Well, what would you want? Obviously, you don't need any uranium or basic nuclear fusion tech.. We can offer some Stun Gun technology we acquired with Feline's help, and a gold mine for your use. I'm afraid that the gold mine won't cover all the costs, I'ts estimated to have gold worth for 600 billion USD..
If you'll reread the initial post or much of the rest of the thread, you'll find that the price for this new technology is $10 trillion or an acceptable tech trade.

What happened is that we spent several decades attempting to research the classic fusion methods given to us by an ally in an attempt to miniaturise them. We wasted much time and money following classic research paths until one of our younger, more enterprising scientists made a breakthrough with an unorthodox approach, one that the scientific community had rejected for years. We are now attempting to recoup our losses while simultaneously sharing the fruits of our efforts.

We're not familiar with your Stun Guns, but are willing to investigate. We could imagine some good applications for this technology, and are keeping our minds open about it.

If you can't come up with $10 trillion off the bat (something I wouldn't expect every nation to be able to do, including ours), use your imagination to come up with something. Note that we have accepted long-term payments when tied together with favoured trade status. But no, we're not going to go much beyond 20 years for payments.

This is what Feline wrote a time ago..

'Ionised Beam Weapons use an ultraviolet laser (ultraviolet instead of infrared so it won't cut them into two pieces) to superheat a current of air to plasma (not powerful enough plasma to do any damage) so it can conduct electric currents. Then, electricity is run through the plasma current to the target. Voltages can be set relatively low, for "stun", or high, for "kill." They are the ultimate in non-lethal technology. They have a range of until the Earth's curvature stops the ultraviolet laser. As an extra benefit, if they are aimed at electrical circutry, or anything conductive in contact with electrical circutry, and fired, they will short-circut the electronics. You can stop any vehicle made of metal in one shot, and stop any living thing with a central nervous system in one shot.'

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According to what Feline said then; these have been invented in RL, by some british scientists, but eventually australian scientists got enough funding to make a prototype.

Our scientists are also nearing the completion of our cold fusion research.

Vulcanus: Having not encountered this technology before, we would consider that an acceptable trade for our fusion. We strongly suspect that such a weapon would be not be so effective against an EMP-hardened system, but it still has significant potential.

OOC: I did several google searches trying to track down what Feline claims. I was unsuccessful. If anyone can provide links to the relevant data, I would appreciate it.

IC: Freedom Country: Thank you for your inane post. That is precisely the sort of thing I've asked people not to do.

We would be willing to offer $50 billion a year for 10 years and trade you our vacuum lift space launch technology AND we'll throw in the magnetic gravity levitation theorem. Is this acceptable?

OOC (edit): By a year I mean a RL day. Also, something along the lines of Vulcanus's comment can be found here: http://www.hsvt.org/Defensenews.html

IC: Vulcanus, how much would that technology cost?

We would be willing to offer $50 billion a year for 10 years and trade you our vacuum lift space launch technology AND we'll throw in the magnetic gravity levitation theorem. Is this acceptable?
We accept your offer of $500 billion over ten years along with the launch technology and the propulsion theory. Please telegram me the details.

A pleasure doing business with you.

OOC: Thank you also for the link. It was very helpful.

{Private Diplomatic Transmission}

x Renate von Saucken (Senior Advisor)

o Devon Treznor (Emperor)



I have reviewed your offer, and my advisors have reviewed the technical specifications. The Territory Co-Prosperity Sphere is certainly interested in your offer; possibilities for compensation include reactionless drive, mobile colony construction, high intensity farming and genetic cleanup techniques. Some technologies could only be offered to a friendly nation that agreed to not proliferate them further.



However, I feel that the decision of what might best benefit the Empire had best be made by yourself.

To: Senior Advisor Renate von Saucken

Encryption: R3

It is my pleasure to consider your offer and give you a preliminary assurance of acceptance. Frankly, the wide range of technologies you offer are quite appealing, and we'll have to decide which one to ask for. Naturally, we understand and respect your desire to keep the technology you might trade between us, and will not share anything you provide without your express approval. We look forward to continuing communication and future relations with you and your noble nation.

Devon Treznor
Emperor

{Private Diplomatic Transmission}




x Renate von Saucken (Senior Advisor)




o Devon Treznor (Emperor)









I thank you for your understanding. Perhaps the best path of action would be for yourself or one of your trusted advisors to visit the Territory, both to show the impact technology has had on our society and to continue this discussion in a less formal manner.

I can vouch for the viability of the UV Taser; I know there's a company iRL developing it, but it's been forever sense I've seen the article. Kanuckistan's had this technology for, geeze, over two and a half centuries NS time(waayyy back in January).

Also, I would like to note that not every element can be used as fuel, like was claimed in the opening post; the heavier the element, the less energy you'll net, and fusing iron and heavier elements will take more energy than it can possibly yeild.

(OOC: Sorry, Didn't remember this for awhile.)

To Treznor: So, we have a deal?


To The Johnston Arms Corp; We have thought about a price of 17 000 € for one weapon. It might sound much, but the price includes special training, a charging unit and four rifle power-packs. You'll save some money if you ask us to train a few specialists from your engineers, who can after that insruct you on maintenance, charging, etc.. That would reduce the price for 7 000 €, but of course you'd have to pay for the training of the specialist, and we charge 2 000 € for each person trained. But, by a long shot, you'll save a small fortune.

We're also willing to sell production rights, they cost only 70 million €, simply because less people will die the more those weapons are sold.

We are aware of the long term effects; We have studied how they affect on human anatomy, so here's a warning: If they're shot at an epileptic person, that person is in a high risk to die. Also, on some people they can cause temporary blindness, loss of hearing and loss of hair. People who are rely on pacemakers are also a one risk group, as the pacemaker could go haywire.

Our country has not yet mastered Cold Fusion

We would pay a lot for you to set up a plant and give us the plans (we hope to adapt this into submarines)

With a population roughly 100 million less than your, our budget is roughly 100 billion higher than yours. And I'm bout 2-3 weeks younger. You couldn't afford it.

To: Senior Advisor Renate von Saucken

I'm overdue for a break. I'd love to come visit and talk this out face-to-face. I'll let you know as soon as I have a chance to get away. It shouldn't be long.

To: Vulcanus

Yes, we have a deal. We'll trade you one fusion generator with plans for one UV rifle with plans.

To: Kanuckistan

Well, I won't quibble over details. Naturally you'd start reaching diminishing returns where it would no longer be practical, but frankly IANAP. We can theorise and predict, but we won't know until we try, will we?

To: Kanuckistan

Well, I won't quibble over details. Naturally you'd start reaching diminishing returns where it would no longer be practical, but frankly IANAP. We can theorise and predict, but we won't know until we try, will we?

No, actually iron is the point where further fusing will, even in a 100% efficent system, take more energy than it'll yeild. It's physicly imposible to net energy from fusing iron, or heavier elements.

With our small navy (1 ship), we wonder if it would be possible to adapt this technology to something the size of a corvette.

If so, we would be willing to bargain a price.

With our small navy (1 ship), we wonder if it would be possible to adapt this technology to something the size of a corvette.
Easily, yes. This can be adapted to anything that can handle a vacuum tube.

If so, we would be willing to bargain a price.
Unfortunately, you do not have the resources to bargain with us. We apologise, but we will not recognise any offers from you. Give it time, and with good RP we might be able to come to an understanding.

has there been a price that you have been asking for sharing your technology?

has there been a price that you have been asking for sharing your technology?
Why, yes. If you'd bothered to read the first post in its entirety, you would have come across this:

The Empire is now opening this new technology to the nations of the world. We will open negotiations for any nation wishing to purchase fusion generators or the knowledge to build them for themselves. We will accept technology trades or monetary compensation for the plans, although we will not consider any offer below 10 trillion USD in compensation.
While we understand and sympathise with the plight of a young nation just getting started, we have researched your history and do not see anything that inspires us to make an exception. As before, with time and role-playing, we may eventually be able to come to an understanding. For the moment you'll just have to do without.

to Treznor's earlier post: my apologies, I read through things quite fast sometimes

also, I read the first post through and the price is far beyond anything a country my age could achieve

Still, colliding two particles will most likely NOT cause them to fuse. The amount of energy involved would likely shatter them both.

Still, colliding two particles will most likely NOT cause them to fuse. The amount of energy involved would likely shatter them both.
True, to an extent. According to this research (http://www.aero.tailus.com/energy/fusion/) the process works IRL, just not to the degree that I'm claiming here. If you can scrape together about two thousand dollars (US), you can put it together to verify it for yourself. The site even tells you how.

To: Vulcanus

Yes, we have a deal. We'll trade you one fusion generator with plans for one UV rifle with plans.



Great! So, the weapon. It looks like a typical PSG-1, but the looks are deceptive. There are few things of you can recognize an APBW; First, the "clip" is located in the rear(What's the word? Shoulder protector?). Also, there's the targeting systems that are much more sophisticated than in PSG-1.

You can be waiting your rifle in two months(about a few RL Hours..) and the plans will be transferred in a matter of weeks.

(OOC: And naturally you get the construction rights, too.. And here's a picture of PSG-1:)

http://www.btinternet.com/~the_22nd_sas2/sem/weapons/psg-1.jpg

{Private Diplomatic Transmission}
x Renate von Saucken (Senior Advisor)
o Devon Treznor (Emperor)

Please do stop by for as long as you like, Emperor. You are quite welcome.

[OOC: And then you go do the head in a jar thing...]

Please do stop by for as long as you like, Emperor. You are quite welcome.

[OOC: And then you go do the head in a jar thing...]
OOC: It would seem that way, wouldn't it? But as stated at the beginning of this thread, this takes place after the terrorist actions. That includes the reconstruction. No worries.

Couriered Message to Emperor Devon the First, from the President of El Hefe.

The Jungle Paradise of El Hefe is most interested in this technology Emperor Devon. We have been reliant on fission power for a long time, and this technology has the potential to change our business, and perhaps yours.

Recently scientists in El Hefe have discovered a way to replicate the effects of the famed 'gravship', though on a smaller scale. The drives are limited, but their ultimate usefulness cannot be underestimated. We have built a 'Barco de la Tierra' and it has been most useful to us. But the power requirements are high - the fission plants we use return barely 60% and take up much room we would rather use on other things.

So instead of a 10 trillion payment, we propose a partnership. If you will manufacture the power plants, we will build the ships and their armaments. With the potential of wide spread sales, we could be making trillions a year from this endeavor. What do you say Mr. Devon?

El Presidente Javier de los Marcos
The Jungle Paradise of El Hefe

So instead of a 10 trillion payment, we propose a partnership. If you will manufacture the power plants, we will build the ships and their armaments. With the potential of wide spread sales, we could be making trillions a year from this endeavor. What do you say Mr. Devon?
To: El Presidente Javier de los Marcos

Your offer is intriguing. We offer a counter-proposal: if you will show you how your ships work, we'll show you how our power plants work. Otherwise your proposal is acceptable, as you have more experience building your technology and we've had time to perfect ours. The partnership still strikes me as an equitable deal.

Devon Treznor
Emperor

Not much of a haggler are you Mr. Devon? Done and done. Arrangements will be made for a team of the Emperor's scientists to tour our production facilities, and we will assemble a group of scientists to do the same. At that time the details can be exchanged.

We can also arrange for a joint team to meet to discuss new developments made by both nations in our respective fields as well as new ways to apply them.

I think you and I are about to make many people very rich amigo.

Viva La Emperor,
President Javier de los Marcos

Oh dear, I guess I should have held out for more. Well, I suppose I'll just have to concede your superior negotiation skills. Our people will be ready to receive you in a week's time, and we'll have another team ready to go to you in a month.

It's a pleasure doing business with you, sir. The business and research potential between our nations promises a new era of growth and prosperity.

Devon Treznor
Emperor

Bump for paranoia.