NationStates Jolt Archive

If One Day = One Year in NationStates:

Two hours = One month... in two hours, the vast majority of the recent land war in Iraq took place

Four minutes = One day... in four minutes, a citizen in your country has gone to school, eaten three meals, slept, and done the entire events of one day. IN FOUR MINUTES.

Ten seconds = One hour... in forty seconds, aforementioned citizen has probably eaten a full meal, with dessert and polite table conversation. Damn, that's fast.

1/6 second = One minute... by this standard, a presidential speech of moderate length takes about 2-3 seconds. He must be an auctioneer.

BY THIS STANDARD:
* The United States would have an election every four days.
* A nation formed on December 1 has existed for almost 300 years.
* Those massive space fleets you just built will need daily (and often, even 3-4 times daily) repair.
* An average American auto on a regular to-and-from work commute will pay way too much for a tank of gasoline every 28 minutes or so.
* Your major national leaders, assuming they are in the range of 40 or so (which is YOUNG in real life), will die, on average, in about a month. During that time, they'll probably be voted out of office once or twice if you're running a democracy, and and a few revolutionary attempts at usurpance will have probably taken place.
* It took me a week to write this post.

I strongly urge you all to adopt the "fluid time" aspect of NationStates, one that doesn't give you your damned budget EVERY DAY. It'll save you a lot of grief that I may just decide to force down your throats.

Hahaha, excellent. However, I *do* use fluid time. I only adopt the day=year standard for strategic purposes, especially given the population growth rate which seems to me unrealistic at anything less than 1 day=1 year.

I remember the good ol' days when everyone used fluid time. We didn't have any of this "one day = one year and that's FINAL!" shit. 8)

u do know not everyone follows that ule... time is conjectural.

I remember the good ol' days when everyone used fluid time. We didn't have any of this "one day = one year and that's FINAL!" shit. 8)

I remember the good ol' days when I didn't have to hear a bunch of December/November nations complaining about how much better things were in the so-called good ol' days...

...oh, wait... no, I don't... :roll:

But back on topic...

I only use 1 day = 1 year for construction projects. Everything else is fluid, hell I have plotlines going on in different timelines that aren't even 1 day = 1 day

what is fluid time?

That was great, people should use fluid time more often.

what is fluid time?

Well, its altering time to suit your needs. I like to limit it's fluidity though, so the lowest is 1 month = 1 year and the highest is 1 day = 1 year.

So... this being stickied or are we just going to have to *tag* it?

I remember the good ol' days when everyone used fluid time. We didn't have any of this "one day = one year and that's FINAL!" shit. 8)

I remember the good ol' days when I didn't have to hear a bunch of December/November nations complaining about how much better things were in the so-called good ol' days...

...oh, wait... no, I don't... :roll:

But back on topic...
I remember back in the good ol' days when we didn't have n00b March nations. 8)

what is fluid time?

It's when you accidently drop your watch down the toilet :D


Fluid time is a very good concept, beats linear by miles

So... this being stickied or are we just going to have to *tag* it?

I'm not stickying it... if another mod wants to, they can. It's mainly addressed to a few people who use the 1 day = 1 year standard just to get their budget every day and ignore massive, MASSIVE aspects of it.

I remember back in the good ol' days when we didn't have n00b March nations. 8)

I don't. =P

I remember back in the good ol' days when we didn't have n00b March nations. 8)

I don't. =P
I remember back in the good ol' days when everyone remembered everything. Except for me because I never paid attention. 8)

The maintenance costs are worth having $5 tril daily [supplemented by massive extortion].

The maintenance costs are worth having $5 tril daily [supplemented by massive extortion].

Yes, but do you calculate said maintenance costs? I highly doubt it... hell, a large percentage of people just calculate their GDP and buy new weapons all the time.

I remember the good ol' days when....

No, never mind, I was a January nation, there were no good ol' days for me...

(OOC: Slag- this has to be some of your finest work yet. :lol: )

OOC2: By Aforementioned Standard:

*Your entire life span would be about 2 to 3 months. Considering nothing fatal happens along the way.
*It would take two weeks for a newborn to finish college.
*World War II happened about 2 months ago.
* We (the U.S.) landed people on the moon in the beginning of August
*One thing is for certain, there are Gundams on Earth. Um, oops, wrong guy...

Hmm, well having the annual budget each year doesnt exactly make an advantage. I see a lot of people using their budgets like banks... hahahaha. Saving up the "spare money" in their budgets. Hahahahaha! Doesn't sound like any government *I* know.

Fluid time is what everyone DOES use by default, for the very reasons Slag mentioned. No one has elections every 4 days, hence I see fluid time in use.

It slows down for RPs and I still stick with the 1day=1year standard for construction/research/strategic purposes. Otherwise my population just happens to double every few months, which is more I think than even rabbits. Less than bacteria, but still.

An interesting thing about doing it this way is most of my CO-RPs are in the past compared to my overall nations development. And thats how it should be with wars. I HATE when people are waging a war and then just do the time thing and replace their fleet in a day. No! But on the other hand, you simply cant hold to some smaller standard, like RL time or 1day=1week, cuz in that case nothing else fits. And then you have to wait weeks or months to mobilize for a war. That would be interesting, but nobody does that. Yes, fluid, fluid works best here.

If One Day = One Year in NationStates:

Two hours = One month... in two hours, the vast majority of the recent land war in Iraq took place

Four minutes = One day... in four minutes, a citizen in your country has gone to school, eaten three meals, slept, and done the entire events of one day. IN FOUR MINUTES.

Forty seconds = One hour... in forty seconds, aforementioned citizen has probably eaten a full meal, with dessert and polite table conversation. Damn, that's fast.

2/3 second = One minute... by this standard, a presidential speech of moderate length takes about 2-3 seconds. He must be an auctioneer.

The last two entries are not correct.

4 minutes real-life == 1 day NationStates, that's fine.

4 minutes real-life == 240 seconds real-life == 1 day NationStates
10 seconds real-life == 1 hour NationStates
1/6 second real-life == 1 minute NationStates

You might want to edit your post accordingly. :wink:

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

The maintenance costs are worth having $5 tril daily [supplemented by massive extortion].

Yes, but do you calculate said maintenance costs? I highly doubt it... hell, a large percentage of people just calculate their GDP and buy new weapons all the time.

some people arn't that obsessed as to work out every minor detail of how their nation works and just want to have some fun

The maintenance costs are worth having $5 tril daily [supplemented by massive extortion].

Yes, but do you calculate said maintenance costs? I highly doubt it... hell, a large percentage of people just calculate their GDP and buy new weapons all the time.

some people arn't that obsessed as to work out every minor detail of how their nation works and just want to have some fun

I suggest those people avoid the subject of military budgets and numbers entirely, cuz otherwise they're more than likely going to be godmodding.

This may just be a shot in the dark here.....but I cahllenge anyone to find any RPer in NS that uses "realistic" and "accurate" numbers to acccount for their cost expenditures, and any other "stuff."

As I have always said, if you want to enforce this type of RP onto players, it better be done equally to everyone. Godmod calls go out all the time, but rarely do they ever get called on the more "respected" players. This is by the mere factor of them setting the bar. But clearly, if one were to review the "numbers" of the most nerdy number crunching NS RPer, one would find that it is all a load of crap. Wholely inaccurate and "unrealistic." I continuely stress the term "realistic" in quatation marks, because I think it is important to emphasize the point that this is just a game! If someone is being too unreasonable, just whip out the good 'ol ignore cannon (bless its creator :wink: ). Other than that, tough it out, because you know your guilty of the same crimes too.

Ah, SLAG ...

This is some of your finest work. Ever. I especially like the part about how long it took you to write that post.

Yeah, if 1 day= 1 year, then I my head of state, Benedict Michael Sukothai, could only stay for 10 RL days in officer before I would have to get a new guy (Consuls are elected for 5-year terms, and can be elected for a maximum of two terms)

And I don't want to come up with a new leader every 5-10 days, thank you ver much.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

The maintenance costs are worth having $5 tril daily [supplemented by massive extortion].

Yes, but do you calculate said maintenance costs? I highly doubt it... hell, a large percentage of people just calculate their GDP and buy new weapons all the time.
With what I have left, I can afford it. I buy little new equipment now, rather I upgrade my old stuff.

Supplemented by $1,5 tril stolen fron Kekkosmaa and $100 bil from, Freedom Country, among smaller amounts from Fukers and more.

wow going on the 9th month here.... Good thing that Hiigarens live for abought 400 years and I tend tords a dictatorship in my nation.

Time fuckin flies in NS lol!

Well, if 1 day= 1 year then that server problem over the weekend cost everyone 3 years worth of existance :shock:

Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

OH MAN! We're playing the Sims! :evil:

* The United States would have an election every four days.
* A nation formed on December 1 has existed for almost 300 years.
* Those massive space fleets you just built will need daily (and often, even 3-4 times daily) repair.
* An average American auto on a regular to-and-from work commute will pay way too much for a tank of gasoline every 28 minutes or so.
* Your major national leaders, assuming they are in the range of 40 or so (which is YOUNG in real life), will die, on average, in about a month. During that time, they'll probably be voted out of office once or twice if you're running a democracy, and and a few revolutionary attempts at usurpance will have probably taken place.
* It took me a week to write this post.

I strongly urge you all to adopt the "fluid time" aspect of NationStates, one that doesn't give you your damned budget EVERY DAY. It'll save you a lot of grief that I may just decide to force down your throats.

By the points (Which are good points):
Presidents in the Republic are elected until the Senate decides to replace them.
Yes it has. Making it quite convenient as my source material is well documented with dates.
Yes they do - and boy is it expensive. 300B a year in salaries alone, 1/10th the entire cost of the fleet every year in maintenance costs, only adding a few ships a year as they are quite expensive, etc.
N/A: Don't use gas.
Quite applicable - but as this is role-playing we really only tell the important stories, don't we?

IMO the date is useful for establishing background information. It shouldn't take precedence over a good story, but it is useful and should be considered. If you break 'believability' too often you turn off your players (the nations who RP with you). In the end it's a balance. I enjoy attempting to maintain that balance.

"Fluidic time is the only thing that holds the countless dimensions in the NS multiverse together. Its existance is a matter that cannot be disputed."
~A senior reseacher at Knootcap university, Leiden.

This may just be a shot in the dark here.....but I cahllenge anyone to find any RPer in NS that uses "realistic" and "accurate" numbers to acccount for their cost expenditures, and any other "stuff."

As I have always said, if you want to enforce this type of RP onto players, it better be done equally to everyone. Godmod calls go out all the time, but rarely do they ever get called on the more "respected" players. This is by the mere factor of them setting the bar. But clearly, if one were to review the "numbers" of the most nerdy number crunching NS RPer, one would find that it is all a load of crap. Wholely inaccurate and "unrealistic." I continuely stress the term "realistic" in quatation marks, because I think it is important to emphasize the point that this is just a game! If someone is being too unreasonable, just whip out the good 'ol ignore cannon (bless its creator :wink: ). Other than that, tough it out, because you know your guilty of the same crimes too.

I'll take that challenge. The Evil Overload.

* Your major national leaders, assuming they are in the range of 40 or so (which is YOUNG in real life), will die, on average, in about a month. During that time, they'll probably be voted out of office once or twice if you're running a democracy, and and a few revolutionary attempts at usurpance will have probably taken place.


It's about damn time someone noticed this. I'm as guilty as anyone [with Reaven], but it's still somewhat odd that the same "president" will see his country go from 5 million to a billion.

Ten seconds = One hour... in forty seconds, aforementioned citizen has probably eaten a full meal, with dessert and polite table conversation. Damn, that's fast.

WTF you waiting for a bus or something? I can eat my tea in less than 20 seconds, that includes desert too, and I still have time for chit-chat and sex.

I use the 1 week = 1 NS year.

It might be too quick, but my income tax doesnt come fast to me it seems. :wink:

I use that same time except in war. Then I slow it down alot

* Your major national leaders, assuming they are in the range of 40 or so (which is YOUNG in real life), will die, on average, in about a month. During that time, they'll probably be voted out of office once or twice if you're running a democracy, and and a few revolutionary attempts at usurpance will have probably taken place.


It's about damn time someone noticed this. I'm as guilty as anyone [with Reaven], but it's still somewhat odd that the same "president" will see his country go from 5 million to a billion.

This whole game is a contradiction to real life. As if 74000 nations with an average population of 500 million would be able to fit onto, a single planet.....

.....and how does a nation just suddenly appear?........

........and the whole using military choppers to move your nation to a totally different region seems a bit suspect to me.

If you were going to RP that the way some of you nations expect everyone to RP, you would need to get permission from about 5000 different nations to fly over their territories, after that you would need to prove that your nation with 500 million can afford the helicopters......... and oh no don't try and say you have uber futuristic telliportation tech because thats godmodding .

With what I have left, I can afford it. I buy little new equipment now, rather I upgrade my old stuff.

Supplemented by $1,5 tril stolen fron Kekkosmaa and $100 bil from, Freedom Country, among smaller amounts from Fukers and more.


*ponders asking the Data Liberation Front to h4x0r Bisons and delete all his money*

I go something like one day is one NS month, at least how I used to regulate my shop, which I have not updated or checked in a while.

This may just be a shot in the dark here.....but I cahllenge anyone to find any RPer in NS that uses "realistic" and "accurate" numbers to acccount for their cost expenditures, and any other "stuff."

As I have always said, if you want to enforce this type of RP onto players, it better be done equally to everyone. Godmod calls go out all the time, but rarely do they ever get called on the more "respected" players. This is by the mere factor of them setting the bar. But clearly, if one were to review the "numbers" of the most nerdy number crunching NS RPer, one would find that it is all a load of crap. Wholely inaccurate and "unrealistic." I continuely stress the term "realistic" in quatation marks, because I think it is important to emphasize the point that this is just a game! If someone is being too unreasonable, just whip out the good 'ol ignore cannon (bless its creator :wink: ). Other than that, tough it out, because you know your guilty of the same crimes too.

I'll take that challenge. The Evil Overload.

The Evil Overlord, as in "realistic" RPer? Or uberwank, horrible?

My statement was meant as a generalization, which I do believe to hold true to everyone that I have personally RPed with. Having said thus, I cannot pass judgement on anyone that I have not RPed with or at least read their RP.

But I think my initial point still stands. Anyone else care to re-enforce/refute?

I use the 1 week = 1 NS year.

It might be too quick, but my income tax doesnt come fast to me it seems. :wink:

I use that for budgets, research and building, everything else is fluid time.

Good point SLAGGY, but some of us are into detailed RPing. Sure, our nation would grow, but every 10-20 days change leaders?

The Arani Rebellion has been going on for months RL now, so in 1 day=1 year most of the key players would be dead :shock:

Besides, 6 mil pop increase cant be less than a year, really.


I also slow it down for war, but for tech development and so forth, day=year.

what is fluid time?

Well, its altering time to suit your needs. I like to limit it's fluidity though, so the lowest is 1 month = 1 year and the highest is 1 day = 1 year.

*remembers the knootian war is currently fought with a few weeks = not even a day*

Bump?

I don't like this at all. No war RP could last over 10 days max, the ideal being two or three. Every 40 or so days, you'd have to completely redo your government and who's in charge.