NationStates Jolt Archive

Updated 22 September 2003

Alright, since people seem to think 'getting involved' means posting "I wanna be a mod!" at the end of this thread, I'm editing it to reflect like...stuff. Yeah. I suck at writing when I'm hungry. But anyway...

We have a forum at http://kitsune.uplink2k.com/phpBB2/ where anyone is welcome to post, and one of the forums there contains a listing of our initial roster of GMs (which was decided quite a while ago). This is basically our list of people we endorse as people capable of running an RP. Not all of them check the forum there, sadly, so you may want to telegram them over Nationstates if you want to contact them. Also, not all of them may be available to help out.

There's also a short FAQ on the Mod Squad at http://kitsune.uplink2k.com/modsquad/

If you want to get involved with the Mod Squad, our headquarters room is on irc.uplink2k.com (you can either connect to that with an IRC client like mIRC or go to that URL and use the java client), room #nationstates.

that sounds like a good idea, and i would be happy to help

No it seems like a good idea, put up a thread, and maybe people can put questions of doubt involving godmoddin, and an experienced player can decide without bias, if it is a bluff, or if they do in fact have that many nukes...

The idea of a 'modling' squad for that purpose has been tossed around by the mod squad, but no luck getting the idea passed thus far. If a bunch of the players want to assemble a GM squad, you've got my full support- it's a good idea, what with how massive Nationstates has become.

~Evil Overlord Rep Prod the Game Mod

OOC: Excellent idea. I hope more experienced RPers than I step up since I'm still learning.

It's an excellent Idea.

I'd say a very excellent idea.

Well I must say, this is encouraging. XD

OOC: Its a good idea, if you can get it to work. You'll probably only get some people to agree, but then, do you really want to RP with the rest?

The idea has merit, and I would certainly be willing to participate. I am a GM IRL, so I do have some experience. But realistically, the nations who would accept such a thing are better plus RPer's already. Our group has had to kick out far too many bad roleplayers who refuse to see reason.

Great idea, I think it's about time something like this came together.

It's a really good idea, if you can get it together, go for it.

I think it's a splendid idea. If they could have some explicit sanctioning by the Moderators, y'know, to give them that undeniable badge of authority, it could save a lot of threads a lot of pointless squabble.

Great idea Kits. I would be more then willing to help out in any way I possibly can.
It's a good thing you added the "on request" line. Otherwise this would just turn out to be a to large a task to perform. Not to mention bit of an oppressed forum.
Although I haven't ben in many wars. (I don't go looking for war threads, or make em.) I still think I could help out.
Something I would also like to see is that 2 of these "mods" moderate an rp. That way they can discuss things together and reach even better conclusions. And hopefully not create things like. "He is biased." or "I don't like these mods. They suck. <insert profanity>".

edit: Please refrain from posting just great idea. I'd like to see a good discussion about this arise. Without the many useless posts in between. :D No offense to anyone though.

great Plan!

Could be good. But then, you rely solely on how informed and intelligent the GM is. I dont know how much better that will be given the extreme and rampant godmodding that is accepted currently.

I think it's a splendid idea. If they could have some explicit sanctioning by the Moderators, y'know, to give them that undeniable badge of authority, it could save a lot of threads a lot of pointless squabble.

*points to Rep's post*

Great idea. This might just help stem the tide of (almost always unfounded) "Mod X is abbussing his/her poewr and shud b baned!!!!!" threads - the "Mod Squad" would be an independant agency to refer greivances to.
I assume, by the way, that they would only give advice, and have no actual mod-style powers - otherwise, you'd just be creating a second tier of mini-mods.

Important question, though: Who decides who gets on the "Mod Squad", though? If the Mods did, there'd be sure to be some idiots who'd cry "favouritism" without even bothering to look at the names.

And it's being put to a vote in the mod forum, so perhaps it'll be unanimous mod backing :wink:

alright, if it passes, we might be able to put an end to the "NS is devolving" BS going around.

as a RL,round-the-table,pen-and-paper GM myself(yes,such mamoths may still be foudn in the forzen siberian wastes,and will continue to for a long time) i think it's a great idea.If it wasnt for the GM most RPing groups would end up as fistfights.

Something is stirring...

I assume, by the way, that they would only give advice, and have no actual mod-style powers - otherwise, you'd just be creating a second tier of mini-mods.
You're quite correct, I don't make provisions for people helping through the Mod Squad program to have any actual powers. I might as well just go to the Moderation forum and post "OMFG VILET PLZ MAK ME A MODD!!11111LOLOLOLOLOL!!1~"

Important question, though: Who decides who gets on the "Mod Squad", though? If the Mods did, there'd be sure to be some idiots who'd cry "favouritism" without even bothering to look at the names.
Honestly, I was just thinking of creating a website with a registry and maybe a chatroom on the server I help admin at. It was my hope that basically any experienced RPer could stick his name on the list of available GMs, but that might be a tad too optimistic. I'm leery of setting 'age' requirements though (ie, pre-March nations), because I've seen good RP from May nations and shit RP from December nations.

So yeah. I'm not sure what, if any, power strucure there would be. Nor do I have any ideas about how to screen people to make sure we don't get psychos in it. XD That's kind of why I created this thread, I was hoping for some feedback and ideas. BRAINSTORM!

IF, and hopefully when, this works out, i am willing to offer my services. I have 5 years of DM and GM experience in various tabletop RPGS, and I would feel priveleged to be able to aid in an upwelling of good Rp.

And it's being put to a vote in the mod forum, so perhaps it'll be unanimous mod backing :wink:

Oh KEEN. XD XD XD

I'll volunteer for the GM squad. I have experience in it in pencil-and-paper settings, and as my nation IC is arrayed against everyone else in the game, I like to think I can be fair.

Edit: Ack. Hrm. I was supposed to be logged in as Raem. /me eyes the forum.

I love this idea, and I hope it takes off, It would be especially welcome in the larger threads. So yes I back it.

Andrew The Player

A registry is a good idea. Maybe make a requirement that anybody applying has to submit proof of their RPing skills- one or two threads from the forums should suffice, and put it to a general vote after that?

Oh, idea on how to decide who gets in:

Review RP history. Godmoders, Warmongerers, etc... dont get to be GMs

A registry is a good idea. Maybe make a requirement that anybody applying has to submit proof of their RPing skills- one or two threads from the forums should suffice, and put it to a general vote after that?

Yeah..there should probably be some sort of upper management committee or something, but I really don't know who I would stick on it. XD But I do like this idea, of subbmitting threads in which one RPed to show RPing skill. Also, I'd think conflict resolution (ie, getting two people flaming each other to knock it off and get on with whatever they were doing) would be useful as well.

Yeah, that sounds good, but who is the upper management committee gonna be??

What does RP Skill have to do with OOC RPG Moding? :roll:

What does RP Skill have to do with OOC RPG Moding? :roll:

You WANT spacewanking n00bs in charge of what's godmoding and what isn't?

I fully back this idea 200% although i wouldnt be of much help, as im fairly new, but it would help sort out many issues invloving nearly every Nation in NS...

What does RP Skill have to do with OOC RPG Moding? :roll:

Simple answer - they'll know what they're talking about.

Positive feedback on the idea - only question is, who will do it.

I, personally, would consider Kitsylvania him/her/itself a proper choice, as he proved himself as a superb RPer in the past and has recieved many people's respect.

If I may be so bold, I will offer myself for a part-time job in this division; I have 7 years of GMing experience, both to standard size groups (in table top) and to groups of 20 people and up (live action).

If you will see my too young or too inactive for this, I will offer my support by using GMs for any wars I'll be involved in (when I have the time for wars... damn RL, getting between me and the battlefield)

I'm glad to see that this idea is moving forward. I remember that some people were talking about it a month or two ago (a few weeks after the current mod squad made our lives so much easier).

If you need someone, I'd be happy to assist with these things....pending the approval of others. I think that, like the original mod appointments, the modlings should have to be nominated and then voted in (by support of that person's abilities, not their alliances since it is an OOC election and debate)...this was also how the justice-providers in the first World Court were decided, if you remember.

If [violet] can customize moderation powers then it might be possible to make modlings only capable of deleting or editing posts in the RP forums...not of taking out threads or players since that is outside of their scope of practice.

If anyone remembers, I had that whole "NS Manufacturers' (RPers') Union" idea floating around and that got a lot of good support for it (it had many of these same principles involved). I dropped it because I was seriously considering leaving the game, but that was then. If you don't remember it, I proposed that a basically OOC group of advisors would discuss different tech and make what would effectively be 'rules' about the limits of weapons based on the reality (ie, plasma and laser weapons have certain problems and limitation in endo-atmospheric conditions). It also included a provision for a sort of 'judicial' council that would either refer disputes to a dedicated thread or which could provide overseers for RPing matches.

What I'm saying is that some of the people that supported that might be interested in this effort.

I'm not a fan of upper management - too many layers. I would rather go with a dual concept. A registry of GM's who are willing to do just that, and a second registry of arbiters who step into existing RPs if things go overboard.

If you wanted to start a GM'ed thread - great, go to the registry and post what you want, see who wants to run it. If you are in a smooth RP that suddenly starts degenerating, then go to the arbiter registry.

Plus those who volunteer can put themselves in the right position - queller of flames or runner of games.

What does RP Skill have to do with OOC RPG Moding? :roll:

You WANT spacewanking n00bs in charge of what's godmoding and what isn't?

No, But You can classify a n00b, Spacewhore, Or Whatever by not Judging by RP Skill. I Back this Idea up 100% so dont get me wrong.

What does RP Skill have to do with OOC RPG Moding? :roll:

You WANT spacewanking n00bs in charge of what's godmoding and what isn't?

No, But You can classify a n00b, Spacewhore, Or Whatever by not Judging by RP Skill. I Back this Idea up 100% so dont get me wrong.

Hey, you wanna tone it down? No flaming.

Did I practice too much? Was it good?

I'm not a fan of upper management - too many layers. I would rather go with a dual concept. A registry of GM's who are willing to do just that, and a second registry of arbiters who step into existing RPs if things go overboard.

If you wanted to start a GM'ed thread - great, go to the registry and post what you want, see who wants to run it. If you are in a smooth RP that suddenly starts degenerating, then go to the arbiter registry.

Plus those who volunteer can put themselves in the right position - queller of flames or runner of games.

I almost thought you were advocating an RP Police style setup with that arbiter thing, but then I finished reading your post. XD I think that's an interesting idea. I'm plan on making a webpage for this thing (as soon as my FTP access gets fixed, anyway >_< ), so making two separate registries wouldn't be that difficult.

let me know when you finish the page

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Magnificent idea. If I may stick my neck out so far, I'd volunteer to be either an Arbiter, or a GM/DM. I don't have quite as much experience as some of the people here though.

Back to the idea. Splendid. Although, we don't really need the mod's sanction to do such a thing, do we? It might grease the wheels a bit, but I doubt the mods would stand in our way should this idea catch some fuel and burn.

Also, will it be a request system? I've had several (quite long) RPs that never would have needed an arbiter or GM/DM.

No idea on when the mod vote will be finished- depends on when everybody gets on, sees the thread, and posts to it ^_~

Also, will it be a request system?
Yes. It's in bold letters in the first post.

Also, will it be a request system?
Yes. It's in bold letters in the first post.

*cleans coke-bottle lenses*

My, so it is. Silly me. Silly blind me.

*BUMP* for great justice!

Brainstorm, y'all! Brainstorm! XD

I hope you heard my idea about having 2 people per RP. As long as it isn't overcrowded though.

I also would volunteer to be either an Arbiter, or a GM/DM. The current level of roleplay going on here is horrible and anything I can do to help it out is no trouble at all.

Kits knows he has my support, I'm willing to help in any way possible...

Hmm.. I was thinking, it'd be nice to have a forum where major story arcs could be set up, then cast the organized Roleplay into II or NS forums. Just another crazy idea.

Well, there's lots of free forum services out there.

Well, there's lots of free forum services out there.

Hmmm... True Rep. If the Game Modlings get approved maybe they can talk it over.

Kits knows he has my support, I'm willing to help in any way possible...

Hmm.. I was thinking, it'd be nice to have a forum where major story arcs could be set up, then cast the organized Roleplay into II or NS forums. Just another crazy idea.

Free Crapforum nothing. I'll set up a phpBB just like this one on my site. XD I've done it before, so I know I can do it again.

I would in general agree with the notion of having two arbiters back each other up - I wouldn't think 2 GM's would be needed, but having the other person to 'watch your back' so to speak makes things a lot easier. Plus less work - and lets face it no one is payed to sit there and monitor forums.

Sounds interesting and promising. I am willing to offer my services. I know my current nation is young, but I started with the original NS. I just have quit and come back periodically. But I would try my best to uphold some sanity. Let us face the facts, the quality of RPing in general leave very much to be desired for. We have godmoders running amok, n00bs spanning, and good RP threads that get degenerated to useless flame attacks. Let us not even mentioned the inordinate amount of nuclear weapons being flung around like beads at Marti Gras, nor the bad one-line per post RP wars, nor the bad repeat wars that reoccur every other week. Also I would like a moment of silence for the greatness of the Amerigan Slave War.

Bump and stuff!

My FTP has been fixed, so I'll be working on a preliminary website soon.

Also, anyone who in interested in brainstorming about this should connect to the chatroom I've specifically set up for the purpose. I figure it's easier to brainstorm that way than to do it over a forum, y'know? Anyway, the chat is on the IRC network Uplink2k. It's sadly not listed in servers.ini yet, but you can connect to it at irc.uplink2k.com (you can either connect to this url with mIRC or another client, or go there with your web browser, and you should be able to connect with the java client we have set up). I'll probably be in #nationstates there, but I'm also in #main and #network at the very least, so you can probably get my attention there.

So yeah. YAY! XD *gets back to work on the website*

News from the mod forum!

Still waiting on the other mods to weigh in, but this project officially has the boss's blessing! [violet] thinks something like this would be best if operated and stuff by the player base, rather than the managment. :wink:

*Pats Kitsylvania on the back for a good idea*
Might as well volunteer. If you need help, I can try.

I knew Kits would come up with something. I'll give it a whirl when the website is set up. Although I am rarely noticed by players... maybe I'll get in.

I can definitely vouch for Kitsylvania, Western Asia and The Eastern Bloc as excellent RPers who would make good GMs. And what the heck, I'll throw my name into the hat too.

I can definitely vouch for Kitsylvania, Western Asia and The Eastern Bloc as excellent RPers who would make good GMs. And what the heck, I'll throw my name into the hat too.

All of these nations are fairly older, and will continue the trend of elitism. I think it is beneficial to have younger nations like April and May nations involved, to extend in symbolism quality over quantity.

Edit: Change in suffix.

I can definitely vouch for Kitsylvania, Western Asia and The Eastern Bloc as excellent RPers who would make good GMs. And what the heck, I'll throw my name into the hat too.

All of these nations are fairly older, and will continue the trend of elitists. I think it is beneficial to have younger nations like April and May nations involved, to extend in symbolism quality over quantity.

You have a good point.

West Token seems to have his RPing in good order, from what I've seen. Same goes for Nathicana and Treznor.

To quote something I wrote in the Laitha thread:

Let us all face the music, we are loosing a lot of good people day by day. Why? Abuse of power, lack of interest, godmoding, poor RPing, call it what you want. Well then, stop 8itching and do something about it.

Laitha is correct; this game is words and words alone. We cannot do anything about this until the much-anticipated NationStates2 comes out. Until then, I suggest we live with what we have and live up to our responsibilities as quality Role-Players. We can make the best out of it by one big thread….no shit…just posts. We tried this several times and it was successful. We have universities, we have parties, we have races and games and series. We have disputes, we have corruption, we have war. There are tons of options to gather everyone under the same roof, doesn’t mean we have to be on the same side…just all together.

The moderators are the moderators, as Reploid Productions has thoroughly explained…that is what they do. As a former-moderator of a large (yet not this big) club site, I understand their duties. It is not to uphold the etiquette of players, we have “stickies” for that. The best we can do is help out people ourselves like Wolfish and New Genoa are doing. At NATO, we have taken several June and July nations under our arms and have begun training them. My second nation, yes…now I will admit it to everyone and publicly (But I RP it COMPLETELY differently) Ponte Vedra, has taken a leadership role in the West Pacific and has trained several younger nations who are now competent role-players. I commend this honourable exercise! Let us…the players…do something about it. We cannot leave this heavy burden up to 10 people.

I strongly suggest that people stop blaming moderators, although I do not tolerate some of them as easily as I do others. The only thing I can recommend is the approval of more moderators, perhaps a little less political voting and more of an experience/quality assessment. Perhaps a new moderator or two from every month will create a quality over quantity assurance and example for newcomers. I understand that you cannot have an overload of moderators, but it is certainly an ample way to extend arms to the newer players and welcome them to this world.

I came in as a nOOb to Role-Playing, the only understanding of the practice was an open-author book. I asked questions, here and there, and some moderators like Menelmacar gave me advice and willingly explained things to me, like the fluid time and technology. As a centrist, I do not believe in the promotion and rewards of inherited inequality, such as race, age, or ability. Everyone is equal, and people in this game should play it like it is. You’re equal to me, you are equal to your regional delegate, you are equal to a moderator. Of course, age is a problem, but with open-armed nations we can help our fellow players get better at this thing we call Role-Playing.

In Short:

Quit yer bitchin’ and get better at what you do.




P.S.: Because I know people will counter this, I will not acknowledge a: "You can't do that" reply without a backup case. I am open to your comments as long as they are legitimate.

It's an honor to be considered old... but elitist?

If anyone can claim me to be of the elitist fashion... then I will remove my request.

I know this wasn't an attack on me... but that's a stereotype which holds untrue for a lot of nations.

West Token seems to have his RPing in good order, from what I've seen. Same goes for Nathicana and Treznor.

You also need to take into consideration willingness to help, some nations feel bitter towards helping nOObies.

It's an honor to be considered old... but elitist?

If anyone can claim me to be of the elitist fashion... then I will remove my request.

I know this wasn't an attack on me... but that's a stereotype which holds untrue for a lot of nations.

You are only 10 or so (Forgot how many days are in March) days older than me. I was more refering to Kits and Western Asia.

Thanks for bursting the proverbial bubble on me. :wink:

Thanks for bursting the proverbial bubble on me. :wink:

Uhhhh.....

Thanks for bursting the proverbial bubble on me. :wink:

Uhhhh.....

Did I sound like an idiot again... I have a habit of doing that sometimes.

No, that is not what I meant. I just needed to look up proverbial for a second.

I'd vouch for Ur an Asse, or Ruhr.

I'd vouch for Ur an Asse, or Ruhr.

Thank you for the vouch, but it really isn't necessary. I am just trying to better the game by throwing out idears.

Something for you all to keep in mind: Age =/= RP skill. I know lots of folks younger than me (in RL terms as well as in NS terms) who pwn me totally at RP. XD

So no, I'm not elitist.

(but I do have 2002-er pride. BOOYAAAA!!! XD XD )

Yes, but Kits...you have to understand that an August 8th nation will look at you and say: Wow...he/she has been here a long time. He/She is going to kick my ass if I screw up. You are going to be feared as Sirithil, Scolo, and Melkor are.

Yes, but Kits...you have to understand that an August 8th nation will look at you and say: Wow...he/she has been here a long time. He/She is going to kick my ass if I screw up. You are going to be feared as Sirithil, Scolo, and Melkor are.

Yeah, I know. It's so sad people always assume bigger = I STOMP J00!!!111 (Especially since I don't have a military. At all. )

A GM would always be acting in an OOC capacity, but I do see your point.

Your also so liberal you wouldn't kill anyone. :shock:

Your also so liberal you wouldn't kill anyone. :shock:

Leave it to you to make not being homocidal into an insult. XD hehehe

A GM should definitely be in mostly-OOC mode. If this type of...err...mod squad is meant to help our nOObies and assist in Role-Play, It would take example work.

I think it would be good to have several moderators who specialize in different RP styles:

Character (Including Party, Trip, Archeology)
War (Including Rivalry)
News (Good at establishing research threads and making RPs out of former events)
Trade (Enough said)

When people look for help, they can look for help from one of these style mods.

War (Including Rivalry)


My thread in I.I about diplomacy and war is a good tool to use for newbies that have questions. It also covers nuclear weapons use.

It will be hard for me to find examples... I've been on vacation and haven't RP'ed for 2 months as a result. I'd have to dig for days... and the search function hasn't yielded much either.

War (Including Rivalry)


My thread in I.I about diplomacy and war is a good tool to use for newbies that have questions. It also covers nuclear weapons use.

Yes, it does. This is what NS needs, someone to look for when they need know how to do something, how to make a thread, how to *gulp* prepare for war and establish IC reasons for conflicts.

War (Including Rivalry)


My thread in I.I about diplomacy and war is a good tool to use for newbies that have questions. It also covers nuclear weapons use.

Yes, it does. This is what NS needs, someone to look for when they need know how to do something, how to make a thread, how to *gulp* prepare for war and establish IC reasons for conflicts.

Do you want me to dig up the link for reference?

It will be hard for me to find examples... I've been on vacation and haven't RP'ed for 2 months as a result. I'd have to dig for days... and the search function hasn't yielded much either.

Too much nOOb stuff to shift through durring the summer. I would suggest, however, sifting through the last dozen pages. I have seen some promising stuff.

AMF, it would be helpful to, so we get an example of what to look for in a RPer.

AMF, it would be helpful to, so we get an example of what to look for in a RPer.

Alrighty, here's the diplomacy/war/nukes FYI thread:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55640

Man... I really wish I could find the thread where I kidnap Shody... that was some good stuff. What if the other people that participated in the thread uh... do the vouching and such.

AMF, it would be helpful to, so we get an example of what to look for in a RPer.

Alrighty, here's the diplomacy/war/nukes FYI thread:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55640

Very Helpful, Everyone should pay attention to this!!!



This is exactly what we should look for in a err....war...moderator, someone who exemplifies these qualities.

Alright, I've edited the first post to include the brainstorming room's IRC server address so it's not buried somewhere on page 3 or something. ^_^

On the elitism topic I don't think this project can afford to throw out the services of the older nations - but I agree in principle that newer nations should be represented. Therefor I suggest concentrating on searching for specific newer nations. The older ones will likely drift in at a steady enough rate.

For 'recruitment' - though I don't like to call it that - I suggest Knootoss. His election thread was well done, and he kept it moving despite interuptions. IMO I would guess he is probably a GM IRL from his skill at keeping it together. Plus he is in that 'younger nation' segment.

could someone point me to where i can get mIRC?

could someone point me to where i can get mIRC?

www.mirc.com

BUMP for the morning crowd (or, at least, morning where I am! XD)

Also, the DNS for the IRC server is temprarily refreshing because we're upgrading our server (we're expecting a truckload of users because of a new hosting arrangement we made about a week ago). At the moment, you can find the server at 24.93.174.222, though in 24 hours or possibly less the the new DNS will be up and running and irc.uplink2k.com will work again. Sorry for any inconvenience or confusion. >.<

Well,

There needs to be some sort of order among this, and we are now concentrating on the correct path:

Several good role-players who exemplify game etiquette.
^(Above)^ with a younger representation like April and May nations
^(Above)^ with specialization with certain aspects of the game

These aspects of the game necessary for this...err...style Game Moderator should include:

War (Most common, includes diplomacy and cold-war situations)
Events (Parties, Tours, a lighter note of diplomacy)
News (Revealing new technology, scientific, sometimes archeological)
Trade (Self explanitory, UTP, WBO, err...auctions also, I guess)

Well,

There needs to be some sort of order among this, and we are now concentrating on the correct path:

Several good role-players who exemplify game etiquette.
^(Above)^ with a younger representation like April and May nations
^(Above)^ with specialization with certain aspects of the game

These aspects of the game necessary for this...err...style Game Moderator should include:

War (Most common, includes diplomacy and cold-war situations)
Events (Parties, Tours, a lighter note of diplomacy)
News (Revealing new technology, scientific, sometimes archeological)
Trade (Self explanitory, UTP, WBO, err...auctions also, I guess)

I think specializing might be a good idea, yeah...I can't remember if I mentioned it here, but I was thinking this would run more like a co-op than a strict hierarchy. WhisperingVoices and I were talking about it in the chat last night.

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I would agree with the co-op idea, as I have said before - I hate management. In this case we have nothing to offer management, therefor they have no reason to continue in this position - IE no money, and no (real) power. Which is why you get into management.

In a management style situation you have someone attempting to call the shots - how well does that work on volunteers? It don't, especially for those of us with limited time to post anyway.

Co-op would be best, but the idea of listing your specialties and perhaps some sample threads of both your RP and your GM/Arbiter skills would be a good idea. Basically each volunteer should have a self-created dossier.

Ruhr, I'll just jack most of what my friend EB said, since he pretty much covers it all.

It's an honor to be considered old... but elitist?

If anyone can claim me to be of the elitist fashion... then I will remove my request.


Ummm, yeah.. Ditto.

I can think of a few 'younger' nations (I don't consider April nations to be that younger from March nations anyways) who would be very good for such a task...The Sean Empire for one.....


It remains up to whoever or whatever group is choosing people (Are we voting?) to pick what he or they think(s) is the best set of people for the job.

EDIT: Removed any mention of my skills. Apparently Self-advertising.

Western Asia,

To sum it all up, you are advertising for yourself.

And as for the elitist thing, it doesn't matter...new members will be scared of older nations.

Western Asia,

To sum it all up, you are advertising for yourself.

And as for the elitist thing, it doesn't matter...new members will be scared of older nations.

Ok. I'm deleting most of that that post now.


As it is, I think that most new nations would be happy to have an older nation/more experienced player present to provide advices. When I provide advice it is mostly so. Remember, moderation and advice giving are not war and, as mostly OOC issues, the age of the country is irrelevant. Also, ummm, you ain't so "young" yourself...neither is Kits.

I realise I am not "young", I am on my fourth month. April wasn't too long ago though, some or most newer nations will look at age as a sense of relief:

Ahh, look...there is a May nation as a moderator. I feel relieved because most of the others are February, January and December nations. That means they look for quality of quantity.

OOC: I think if we just banned nukes, the need for moderators would drop significantly, and save everyone else a huge headache.

OOC: I think if we just banned nukes, the need for moderators would drop significantly, and save everyone else a huge headache.

Won't happen, forget about it. They tried that in the UN, do people have WMDs? Yeeeessss....

OOC: Aight, G, wut's a WMD?

OOC: Aight, G, wut's a WMD?

Weapon of Mass Destruction. Nukes, Biological, Chemical, sometimes weapons with phsycological effects also.

I would agree with WA's statement about wanting an older, more experienced player to give advice - half the time. This is true in my case, and in most of the RP'ers I know IRL. But it is false in the case of a certain percentage of the population who, honestly, doesn't want to take advice at all. Foolish, yes, but unavoidable. Still - since this is volunteer and the average person who requests these services is going to be a sensible person (as least IMO) we don't really need to worry about the age of the nation providing the service.

Okay. My thought was that a bunch of newbies won't bust into a war RP and start launching nukes they don't have. I still have my IGNORE cannon, though. That usually works.

Ok, I tried. My opinion on style-moderators or examples will remain, however.

Okay. My thought was that a bunch of newbies won't bust into a war RP and start launching nukes they don't have. I still have my IGNORE cannon, though. That usually works.

That is part of the job of the GM - To request background as to why they might have these weapons. If it's not up to snuff, 'Sorry, you don't have nukes.' Or to just go through the thread and mark specific spots "This person is ignored for the purposes of this RP. Put some more work into it, and I'll drop the ignore."

That's a trust issue, but I would hope the nations who volunteer realize their actions are going to be scrutinized.

Okay. My thought was that a bunch of newbies won't bust into a war RP and start launching nukes they don't have. I still have my IGNORE cannon, though. That usually works.

That is part of the job of the GM - To request background as to why they might have these weapons. If it's not up to snuff, 'Sorry, you don't have nukes.' Or to just go through the thread and mark specific spots "This person is ignored for the purposes of this RP. Put some more work into it, and I'll drop the ignore."

That's a trust issue, but I would hope the nations who volunteer realize their actions are going to be scrutinized.

No, it isn't. Let me try to find Reploid Production's post.

According to the mission objectives we've been given by [violet]:

Forum Moderators:
-delete goatse, tubgirl, etc, on sight, and pass word up the line to the game mods
-move threads that do not belong in one forum to the proper forum (IE: Moving non-RP threads out of II and either to General or the NS as needed
-Delete/edit/lock threads as needed (flamebait, obscene language, etc)

Game Moderators:
-All of the above
-Handle player complaints
-Search for and eject UN multies
-Delete inappropriate flags/mottos/nations
-Warn players who are breaking the rules (IE- TG spam, abusive TGs, etc)

Forum moderators handle the forums, and being a forum mod is a trial phase for becoming a game moderator.

The game moderators do quite a bit more than the forum mods- game mods do all the same things the forum mods do, in addition to a ton of other stuff. The game mods handle complaints that otherwise would tie up [violet]'s time, and cause even more lag time in updates to the game.

Nowhere does it say we're to police RP. So please, we would appreciate it if people wouldn't jump to conclusions as to what the mods do.

~Evil Overlord Rep Prod the Game Mod

GM = Game Master in this case. Perhaps we should use DM, Storyteller, etc.

Oh, my bad.

And to whoever said that people don't willing accept advice: Shut up! I have turned around Oglethorpia's RPing when he took my advice. I turned around lots of peoples when I offered them advice. Just friggen be honest and caring.

And to whoever said that people don't willing accept advice: Shut up! I have turned around Oglethorpia's RPing when he took my advice. I turned around lots of peoples when I offered them advice. Just friggen be honest and caring.

Since I said it, I will to a certain extent retract it. Some people will accept advice, especially when it is honest and caring. There are people who won't though. Trust me - I worked in tech-support. No matter how many people trust you and your advice there is going to be that one person who just will not. I've had it happen, and I have also seen people who didn't originally trust that advice come back and apoligize. There is one of everyone out there.

And to whoever said that people don't willing accept advice: Shut up! I have turned around Oglethorpia's RPing when he took my advice. I turned around lots of peoples when I offered them advice. Just friggen be honest and caring.

Since I said it, I will to a certain extent retract it. Some people will accept advice, especially when it is honest and caring. There are people who won't though. Trust me - I worked in tech-support. No matter how many people trust you and your advice there is going to be that one person who just will not. I've had it happen, and I have also seen people who didn't originally trust that advice come back and apoligize. There is one of everyone out there.

Hmmm, same way with patients in the ER.

If people were to listen to somebody else, that person would have to be nothing less than personal in a professional setting. I met Oglethorpia in the Documents Stolen RP case, then sooner or later...he started to RP his submarines in an unconventional manner. I corrected him and gave him a book to read, Tom Clancy's SSN. After that, he talked to me via AIM about how he understood the methods of submerged warfare.

GM = Game Master in this case. Perhaps we should use DM, Storyteller, etc.

Personally, from my experience "moderating" RP in the II section*, Abitrator would probably be the best title, or more specifically RP Arbitrator, if we go so far as to designate people officially. That's largely what we're talking about; someone who settles what can and cannot be done.

I'd love to see this idea get off the ground. It'd probably have to be a voluntary program by thread, and making sure people know who's arbitrating a story will take a little work. If this is still alive in a week, I'll see what I can do to help. I can think of a number of ways...

As far as I see it, this would differ from what I do when I have the time to sift through masses of threads as a proactive and strictly voluntary system without the power to IP check, edit, etc. (I do sometimes butt in on threads in II, particularly when a thread may have to be moved into NS due to all the rampant godmoddery, OOC flamewars, puppet abuse, etc.)

*Actually, when [violet] created the II section, we were encouraged as mods to make sure that it was "held to a higher standard of RP" than the godmodderific ignore-laden messes currently going on in the NS section. In the description, it clearly states that good RP manners are "enforced." In practice, most of the mods are too busy to keep II well behaved, although I try. I'm on break right now, but in a week I'll get back to settling arguments in II; however, what I can do is a little less strict than what's proposed here.

I am espousing a double proposal for seperate Arbiters and Game Masters. Arbiters would step into established RP by request, while GM/DM's would 'run' a specific thread they established.

I wonder if there is a way a nation could have control over their own thread - delete spam posts, etc as long as it is their own thread. This would certainly help if a GM/DM registry gets off the ground.

I wonder if there is a way a nation could have control over their own thread - delete spam posts, etc as long as it is their own thread. This would certainly help if a GM/DM registry gets off the ground.

I believe that [violet] or Reploid da Mod already said that private threads were a no-no. Either because they're too exclusionary or because of other programming issues.

I wonder if there is a way a nation could have control over their own thread - delete spam posts, etc as long as it is their own thread. This would certainly help if a GM/DM registry gets off the ground.

I believe that [violet] or Reploid da Mod already said that private threads were a no-no. Either because they're too exclusionary or because of other programming issues.
it would require extensive modification of PHPBB coding....

However... one thing you can do is get nice and friendly with a mod who'll enforce the rules you lay down at the start of your RP if anybody keeps breaking them and refuses to listen to reason. We also usually will lock a thread you started if you ask for it to be locked.

Reasonable enough - can't ask for the moon and expect to get it. At this point we really need to start seeing some action though. I would suggest a stickied thread (when it is fully mod approved *crosses fingers*) since that has the highest profile, with a 'sample' DM and Arbiter form in it.

Nations name, players name (as much as they wish to list), volunteered position, favorite types of RP's (if a DM), qualifications, etc. I would think qualifications would be along the lines of 'Ran Star Wars d20, Ran 7th Sea (AEG), ran DnD3E' etc. Not 'I am j0 father. I rulez at SW.' things that could be considered 'hard' qualifications.

I would think qualifications would be along the lines of 'Ran Star Wars d20, Ran 7th Sea (AEG), ran DnD3E' etc. Not 'I am j0 father. I rulez at SW.' things that could be considered 'hard' qualifications.

Are you talking about your qualifications or something we have to live up to?

I would think qualifications would be along the lines of 'Ran Star Wars d20, Ran 7th Sea (AEG), ran DnD3E' etc. Not 'I am j0 father. I rulez at SW.' things that could be considered 'hard' qualifications.

Are you talking about your qualifications or something we have to live up to?

I have run those, but it was an example. To me the qualifications are just to assure people that a person knows what they are doing. This will help the younger nations who want to do it who might not have a giant post count or a well known RP history.

Ok, one quick question. Was this decided to be a volunteer effort with a background check? Or will this be a nominational system?

TSE,
Eager to support efforts, willing to debate/discuss, an apparently inherent sense of what is good or bad in RPs....that's a nice start.

I would also nominate TSE... Taught me a few things when I started in here :P ;)

More good stuff, guys. ^_^

I'm getting kind of a conflicting impulse here, though...here's the thing. I was talking to WhisperedVoices in the chat and he said (and I pretty much agree) that we probably don't want a whole ton of people, because that'd just make it that much more complicated. At the same time, I see a lot of really qualified people posting on this thread, and I've honestly got no bloody idea how to sort out who is better than who (especially since 'RP Ability' and the like is a judgement call in many cases). I rather like the idea of nominations and such, but I really don't have idea how to proceed on that. Also, I hate telling people who really have their shit together and know what they're doing that they don't make the cut, so I'm almost assuredly not going to be making all the decisions myself. XD

However, I know for sure that people who take the time to actually visit the brainstorming chat get bonus points (at least in my mind) because it shows they're really interested, y'know? XD

More good stuff, guys. ^_^

I'm getting kind of a conflicting impulse here, though...here's the thing. I was talking to WhisperedVoices in the chat and he said (and I pretty much agree) that we probably don't want a whole ton of people, because that'd just make it that much more complicated. At the same time, I see a lot of really qualified people posting on this thread, and I've honestly got no bloody idea how to sort out who is better than who (especially since 'RP Ability' and the like is a judgement call in many cases). I rather like the idea of nominations and such, but I really don't have idea how to proceed on that. Also, I hate telling people who really have their shit together and know what they're doing that they don't make the cut, so I'm almost assuredly not going to be making all the decisions myself. XD

However, I know for sure that people who take the time to actually visit the brainstorming chat get bonus points (at least in my mind) because it shows they're really interested, y'know? XD
Well, i would visit the chat, but still can't figure out the godblasted IRC stuff. I think you should pick a few ppl to help select the other ppl (did that make sense?) but once you get the ppl, there all the same no mangenment.

Although I've finally went back to work, I still can contribute my time if it is needed. I'm more than willing to help keep the peace so to speak.

Well, i would visit the chat, but still can't figure out the godblasted IRC stuff. I think you should pick a few ppl to help select the other ppl (did that make sense?) but once you get the ppl, there all the same no mangenment.

Aww, IRC ain't that tough. Just get mIRC (http://www.mirc.com) and type /server irc.uplink2k.com in the server window. mIRC is pretty user-friendly. ^^;;

And yes, I definitely intend to have people help me pick GMs. The question is how do I pick them? XD I may just ask a couple of mods to lend a hand with that, now that I think about it...hmmm. ^^

Kitsylvania, I would have had no idea what was going on in the Amerigan war (that is, without spending a long time reading) if it were not for your recap posts. :D

I would be pleased to be one of the gamemasters if given the chance.

Kitsylvania, I would have had no idea what was going on in the Amerigan war (that is, without spending a long time reading) if it were not for your recap posts. :D

I would be pleased to be one of the gamemasters if given the chance.

Aww. Thankies! ^_^

Also: BUMP. (maybe a mod could sticky this?)

I'm getting kind of a conflicting impulse here, though...here's the thing. I was talking to WhisperedVoices in the chat and he said (and I pretty much agree) that we probably don't want a whole ton of people, because that'd just make it that much more complicated. At the same time, I see a lot of really qualified people posting on this thread, and I've honestly got no bloody idea how to sort out who is better than who (especially since 'RP Ability' and the like is a judgement call in many cases). I rather like the idea of nominations and such, but I really don't have idea how to proceed on that. Also, I hate telling people who really have their shit together and know what they're doing that they don't make the cut, so I'm almost assuredly not going to be making all the decisions myself. XD


My two cents... nominations are a bad idea for this sort of thing. It wouldn't be good if newer players came to see it as a cliquish thing. (I believe this has arisen with the forum and game mods in the recent past.) And popularity isn't necessarily a sign of talent.

If it's going to be a nom/vote system, I think I'd rather see the nominations come from the moderators than the player base at large. It's not really more objective that way, but at least it has some authority backing it.


However, I know for sure that people who take the time to actually visit the brainstorming chat get bonus points (at least in my mind) because it shows they're really interested, y'know? XD

Quite honestly, I'd discount that entirely. Interest is good, but it's also true that the people who are most eager to hold power are often those you would least want in such a position. I would approach people based on their previously-exhibited ability to write solid IC posts (and to avoid things like long streams of OOC "Yes I did/No you didn't" exchanges regarding some plot element and excessive ranting/flaming/trolling), and sound those people out about the position. And I'd limit the number of GM-types at first to maybe three, and give it a month to see whether it was as good an idea in practice as it sounded like in theory.

My two cents... nominations are a bad idea for this sort of thing. It wouldn't be good if newer players came to see it as a cliquish thing. (I believe this has arisen with the forum and game mods in the recent past.) And popularity isn't necessarily a sign of talent.

If it's going to be a nom/vote system, I think I'd rather see the nominations come from the moderators than the player base at large. It's not really more objective that way, but at least it has some authority backing it.

You do have a point there, although someone said that [violet] would rather that this sort of thing be handled by the community rather than by the management directly. Also, I really haven't hot the foggiest idea how else to do it, and I really don't think you want to leave something like this entirely in my hands. ^^;;;


However, I know for sure that people who take the time to actually visit the brainstorming chat get bonus points (at least in my mind) because it shows they're really interested, y'know? XD

Quite honestly, I'd discount that entirely. Interest is good, but it's also true that the people who are most eager to hold power are often those you would least want in such a position. I would approach people based on their previously-exhibited ability to write solid IC posts (and to avoid things like long streams of OOC "Yes I did/No you didn't" exchanges regarding some plot element and excessive ranting/flaming/trolling), and sound those people out about the position. And I'd limit the number of GM-types at first to maybe three, and give it a month to see whether it was as good an idea in practice as it sounded like in theory.

Yes, but honestly a good bit of that sentence is just motivated by my desire to get users on the server I help admin. XD I'm also much more of a chatter than a forumer, I just function better there and it's easier to brainstorm live. Besides, very few people have actually showed up there. Also, I think three GMs might be too little. But you never know. ^^;;


On edit: Thanks be to Slag for stickying this thread!

On edit: Thanks be to Slag for stickying this thread!

SLAG sticky'd a thread? <phone rings> Oh wait, hold on a sec....hello?.....yes....no shit......

Guess what...hell just froze over!


j/k!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

First of all, thanks to Rep for the nod. Nath and I try hard.

Second, I think people are making this far more complicated than it has to be. Rather than nominating people or doing background checks, why not let people nominate their own GM/aribtrators? If two people decide they want to RP something, they must agree on a GM. Therefore all that's needed is a quasi-registry (perhaps an advertisement thread of people willing and available to GM. Bad GMs will very quickly earn bad reps and be ignored) and the players do all the hard work for you. A central database will probably help newer players, but older players will already know what GMs they want to use and won't need as much help.

The age of a nation really doesn't matter much for RP or GMing. It's how much you know about and respect the player that makes the difference.

First of all, thanks to Rep for the nod. Nath and I try hard.

Second, I think people are making this far more complicated than it has to be. Rather than nominating people or doing background checks, why not let people nominate their own GM/aribtrators? If two people decide they want to RP something, they must agree on a GM. Therefore all that's needed is a quasi-registry (perhaps an advertisement thread of people willing and available to GM. Bad GMs will very quickly earn bad reps and be ignored) and the players do all the hard work for you. A central database will probably help newer players, but older players will already know what GMs they want to use and won't need as much help.

The age of a nation really doesn't matter much for RP or GMing. It's how much you know about and respect the player that makes the difference.

Holy crap. That database where you can upvote/downvote GMs is a really freakin' good idea. I'll have to talk to my programmer friends about something like that, but I can't imagine it'd be to difficult..I know some forums already extant have something like that.

There's only one problem (that's just been pointed out to me XD), and that's the popularity issue...namely, popular forumites getting massive upvotes just for being themselves, no necessarily doing a good job. I don't know how much that'd skew things, but it is a real concern. Maybe if we limited voting to people on the list for more than a certain time...I dunno. It's still a neat idea. ^_^

And of course, I'm not proposing that we create a monopoly on GMing threads. People could still set up their own GMs if they wanted to, I'm just saying that having an established pool of recognized and skilled RPers ready to hop in whenever they're needed would be useful to have, no?

First of all, thanks to Rep for the nod. Nath and I try hard.

Second, I think people are making this far more complicated than it has to be. Rather than nominating people or doing background checks, why not let people nominate their own GM/aribtrators? If two people decide they want to RP something, they must agree on a GM. Therefore all that's needed is a quasi-registry (perhaps an advertisement thread of people willing and available to GM. Bad GMs will very quickly earn bad reps and be ignored) and the players do all the hard work for you. A central database will probably help newer players, but older players will already know what GMs they want to use and won't need as much help.

The age of a nation really doesn't matter much for RP or GMing. It's how much you know about and respect the player that makes the difference.

Often you will find that two players don't necessarily respect the same groups of people, especially if the thread they want arbitrating is a war one (always a sticky issue). Also that some nations that get mass respect don't have time or the inclination to moderate multiple threads. The creation of a 'neutral' group who - on request - can "referee" threads, especially when it comes down to war, would be a useful resource. And I think from the sheer volume of responses, one that would be used quite frequently.

Holy crap. That database where you can upvote/downvote GMs is a really freakin' good idea. I'll have to talk to my programmer friends about something like that, but I can't imagine it'd be to difficult..I know some forums already extant have something like that.
You're welcome. I wasn't thinking of making it that complicated (just people posting good/bad comments about GMs), but a database isn't such a bad thing.

There's only one problem (that's just been pointed out to me XD), and that's the popularity issue...namely, popular forumites getting massive upvotes just for being themselves, no necessarily doing a good job. I don't know how much that'd skew things, but it is a real concern. Maybe if we limited voting to people on the list for more than a certain time...I dunno. It's still a neat idea. ^_^
I agree, it's a neat idea. I think you could recommend that people who vote post why they voted. Feedback on what GMs do right or wrong can be invaluable, especially if the GM can accept criticism with maturity. Then again, immaturity can be just as telling.

And of course, I'm not proposing that we create a monopoly on GMing threads. People could still set up their own GMs if they wanted to, I'm just saying that having an established pool of recognized and skilled RPers ready to hop in whenever they're needed would be useful to have, no?
Certainly quite useful. I'm just pointing out it doesn't need to be quite so involved. Until such a registry is created, people can advertise their services and their credentials in a thread designed for such a purpose. From then on, let the buyer beware. But hey, if you've got the time for such a project, don't let me stop you!

Often you will find that two players don't necessarily respect the same groups of people, especially if the thread they want arbitrating is a war one (always a sticky issue). Also that some nations that get mass respect don't have time or the inclination to moderate multiple threads. The creation of a 'neutral' group who - on request - can "referee" threads, especially when it comes down to war, would be a useful resource. And I think from the sheer volume of responses, one that would be used quite frequently.
Certainly I don't disagree with this. Two players won't necessarily respect the same groups, particularly when it comes to arbitrating a war. That would necessarily mean they'd have to politely sit down and agree upon a neutral third party. Otherwise the war simply wouldn't happen, or wouldn't happen very well. Either way, it gives us a clear idea of what threads will involve at least some quality RP, and which will be mere flamefests.

I don't object to recognising a list of "neutral" arbitrators to draw upon, but I think it doesn't need a lot of formal organisation. People are capable of organising it for themselves, if they're motivated enough. Merely suggesting it as an option is an excellent start.

Until such a registry is created, people can advertise their services and their credentials in a thread designed for such a purpose. From then on, let the buyer beware. But hey, if you've got the time for such a project, don't let me stop you!

Actually, that gives me an idea...create a forum specifically for posting a thread for each GM, where people can post their experiences with him/her, etc. I'll get that going when I get my forum up. XD

Wow, this has exploded.

I must say, I'm very pleased to see this taking off in such a big way. I think it could be a very positive aspect of NationStates and will make life a lot easier in the future for people who won't be jumping on the NS2 bandwagon.

I tend to agree with Treznor: I don't think it has to be terribly complicated, especially if GMs are requested rather than required, as was in Kitsylvania's original post. I do like the idea that good GMs should acquire good karma and bad ones... well... bad karma, as it were. That would allow the GM team to evolve organically into a collective of people who can be trusted to give good advice.

As an aside, I'd be happy to volunteer my services, particularly in the Events category-- I dislike weapons, know next to nothing about them, and would not be able to handle war threads, but I have... gah... about 12 years tabletop and live action experience.

(I haven't been to the IRC chat, Kitsylvania, because every single time I've downloaded an IRC client for Mac either I've hated it or it didn't work, so I gave up; if anyone has any suggestions I'm open to them)

Wow, this has exploded.

I must say, I'm very pleased to see this taking off in such a big way. I think it could be a very positive aspect of NationStates and will make life a lot easier in the future for people who won't be jumping on the NS2 bandwagon.

I tend to agree with Treznor: I don't think it has to be terribly complicated, especially if GMs are requested rather than required, as was in Kitsylvania's original post. I do like the idea that good GMs should acquire good karma and bad ones... well... bad karma, as it were. That would allow the GM team to evolve organically into a collective of people who can be trusted to give good advice.

As an aside, I'd be happy to volunteer my services, particularly in the Events category-- I dislike weapons, know next to nothing about them, and would not be able to handle war threads, but I have... gah... about 12 years tabletop and live action experience.

(I haven't been to the IRC chat, Kitsylvania, because every single time I've downloaded an IRC client for Mac either I've hated it or it didn't work, so I gave up; if anyone has any suggestions I'm open to them)


Snak. Best Mac OS 9/X IRC client I've seen. I know some would argue for X-Chat Aqua for OS X only, but I just like Snak.

http://www.snak.com/

headquarters room is on irc.uplink2k.com (you can either connect to that with an IRC client like mIRC or go to that URL and use the java client), room #nationstates.
i cant get in there

I like this idea. Count me in.

Sweet, this was my idea :D

And yes, I still agree with it.

headquarters room is on irc.uplink2k.com (you can either connect to that with an IRC client like mIRC or go to that URL and use the java client), room #nationstates.
i cant get in there
me neither

headquarters room is on irc.uplink2k.com (you can either connect to that with an IRC client like mIRC or go to that URL and use the java client), room #nationstates.
i cant get in there
me neither

The DNS server has been resetting because we just upgraded our server. Some people may still be unable to connect via the URL because of this, but it should fix itself shortly.

I object, my servers did nothing! :lol:

Yay for stickies! Woot!

On a more serious note, a directory of willing GMs sounds like a great idea. A database would be good, but would take time to set up, whereas a thread would not be as useful but could be set up pretty quickly.

So here's an idea - why not start a GM Registry thread now (and hopefully get it stickied). Then there'd be something for people to use while the database idea was being looked into / set up. What do you think?

So here's an idea - why not start a GM Registry thread now (and hopefully get it stickied). Then there'd be something for people to use while the database idea was being looked into / set up. What do you think?

Actually, I've created an entire BBS for the Mod Squad. ^^ One of the forums is a GM Roster, where each GM will have a stickied thread about him/her where anybody can comment about their experiences with that given GM. There are also other forums, like a help request forum, a quasi-brainstorming forum, a question forum, a comments and ideas forum...I think I may have made too many, actually. XD But yeah. http://kitsune.uplink2k.com/phpBB2/index.php is the board itself. Not much there right now...I just set it up about 8 hours ago. ^^;;

Great Idea, and I would love to help!

This is a great idea, I would love to help.

Just checked out the ModSquad Forum - looks great. Here's hoping the mods are paying attention and, oh, I dunno, mention it in the News section or something (yeah, like anyone reads that...). You know, some kind of advertisment for it, that everyone's likely to read, even if they don't use the forums much - the Mod Squad idea might even encourage people to do so :D

Anyway, big respect to Kits - great work, and fast too! I have a feeling that, when the word gets around it's there, the new forum'll get a lot of use.

So this is actually going to happen, well done Kitsylvania i knew it was a good idea, Last time i was on Thursday, it was just a suggestion..



I ended up going to a 3-day party, just got back... :wink:

Alright, well, just to prove that we're making progress, here's our short list of people we think are up to the task right this instant.
Raem
Feline
DIablo NL
Gratica
Imnsvale
Valinon
Berserker
West Token
Nathicana
Treznor

WhisperingVoices and EOTED also helped out with the selection process, and they're both good RPers and are generally respected throughout the community, so I at least consider them to be up for spots as well.

We don't know how many people we want! We may well end up saying yes to all of you! XD

Also, I've been talking with Vthnaar, and he says he's been talking with Hack about something very much like this, and we think we can sort of unite our ideas into one bigger idea. More to come on that. ^_^ So you should probably consider Vthnaar as on the list as well.

Anyway, please comment on one or all of the people we've listed here. If you have misgiving about one, please say so, and provide a link to a thread that exemplifies your misgivings. If you think someone would do a fantastic job, lend your support! Remember, these people are all volunteering to help make your RP experience better, so it helps you out in the long run if you get involved now.

Y'know, maybe I should have made that post as this nation. XD

(is Uncreation, in case you hadn't already figured that out)

I'd be more than glad to bring my 20+ years of roleplaying and wargaming experience to the table.

Just adding my small bit of cheers for a good idea, it could make things a bit better. Atleast it would make me feel much safer to venture out ICly, one my nation has gotten some manned space ships..

Good show i say *throws confetti*

The mod squad i need to know what you think about my Free Space Programme project :?:

PEACE (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61915)

I think I wanna join, I like to think of myself as a good RPer, but a bit of encouragement wouldn't hurt.

Anyway, I'm a damn ethusiastic N00bie N00ker. I hate the stupid suckers who try to buy 20 carriers with associated escort groups when 1 day old!!!

Raem
Feline
DIablo NL
Gratica
Imnsvale
Valinon
Berserker
West Token
Nathicana
Treznor
Vthnaar


This list looks good to me. Let's see here... I fully support Berserker, West Token, Nathicana, and Vthnaar.

That's not to say I have something against any of the others, just that I can't recall much of their RP'ing. Probably because I've been slacking off at reading RP :oops:

Anyway, here's hoping that this goes well. I eagerly await the implimentation of RP 'Modlings' :D

This list looks good to me. Let's see here... I fully support Berserker, West Token, Nathicana, and Vthnaar.

That's not to say I have something against any of the others, just that I can't recall much of their RP'ing. Probably because I've been slacking off at reading RP :oops:

Anyway, here's hoping that this goes well. I eagerly await the implimentation of RP 'Modlings' :D

On that topic....does this mean [violet] will be handing out pretty green names to the people involved in this? XD XD Hehe.

I'm also looking forward to implementation, there's only one problem that I can see and that's the LACK OF INPUT! XD Please, people, comment!

How about purple names? We wouldn't want to step on the moderator's territory so blatantly. And purple is cool.

[OOC: This list looks very good. But... I would say that. Heh.

Anyway. If anyone has any objections to me helping out with this (ignoring the fact that I may not be considered appropriate eventually anyway), then please say so. I promise I won't hurt you.

Much. :wink:

Just kidding.... :D ]

The mod squad i need to know what you think about my Free Space Programme project :?:

PEACE (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61915)

Can i get an answer please :lol:

In this post, I attempt to add more to the discussion, yet fail because I've already given my opinions.

So imagine this post reads almost exactly like Ma-Tek's.

My services are open, I would love to help!

On that topic....does this mean [violet] will be handing out pretty green names to the people involved in this? XD XD Hehe.

I'm also looking forward to implementation, there's only one problem that I can see and that's the LACK OF INPUT! XD Please, people, comment!

Doubtful. I believe the greenitude is an artifact of being able to read the Super-Duper-Ultra-Secret-Mod Forum.

However, I'm sure we could twist [violet]'s arm and get your "Powerbroker"s replaced with "Role-Play Modling", or something to that effect.

Not as cool, but still sweet.

Umm.. There seems to be enough people offering thier help but... what the hell I might as well....

I think this is a great idea, Nationstates was getting to the point of dying lately, ever since that space issue everyone decided they own a spaceship fleet. :roll:

Umm.. There seems to be enough people offering thier help but... what the hell I might as well....

I think this is a great idea, Nationstates was getting to the point of dying lately, ever since that space issue everyone decided they own a spaceship fleet. :roll:

*points to self*

Hey...I got mine way before the fad caught on :P

*points at Steel Butterfly*

"It's true it is"

So, do you have enough candidates...if not, I want to be a "Modling" too.

*points at Steel Butterfly*

"It's true it is"

So, do you have enough candidates...if not, I want to be a "Modling" too.

:oops:

I'd like to offer my services too. I know I've not got a huge number of posts yet, but that's about to change - big time! Also, I've seen some great RPs in my time and learnt from them (I hope :) ).

I agree

:twisted:
THE NEW WORLD EMPIRE

The New World Empire is a new region formed from new and experienced region crashers.Our aim is to create a region crashing superpower,If you wish to be part of this infamous and powerfull region then move to The New World Empire today.

I need to know what you people think of a new system I've come up with at figuring out your military size, and even your National budget..in just 13 steps. Look it up in NationStates Forum under The Mob region's military (member input only).... You can also check out the RP story which has gotten pretty popular and interesting in Internation Forum Breaking News Mob acquires weapons. Let me know whatchya think...

Please send a telegram about the above posted message

I know it's a bit late to mention this, but I fully support this idea.

*Drool*
Mmmm.. Mmmoooooddd....
*Snaps to his senses*

Good idea. I'd like to be one myself, but I doubt it that I would qualify. I would certainly abuse my tiny powers. XD Well, not really. But anything could happen..

*runs to a far away land, singing Apulanta's "Odotus"*

Good idea. We need em

Pretty Please can you count me in on this? I'm really interested to be a "RPmod" myself..

I'd also like to ask a few questions;
1. Do I need a qualifications, if, then what kind of qualifications?
2. Are the "RPmods" already been selected?
3. Have these questions been answered before?

----EDIT----
WHoops...! I forgot I wasn't logged in as Vulcanus..

I would be very interested to join, being a ressurected December nation, and would like to know the requirements...

http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/AnthonyMoss.jpg
Comrade Anthony Moss
Founder and Leader of the Commonwealth of Wohlstand
"Gleichberechtigung, Frieden, Ünd Gesundheit"
Wohlstand Constitution (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=977950#977950)

I really liked the Ignoring thread, could'ja put it back? Pretty Please?

Moderators are incredibly important and I don't know what we'd do without them.

Sorry if I am doubling up something already said, but I am not reading 10 pages of posts :-P.
I completely agree.
I've done a little bit of wargaming for some of my classes, and the way it works is you have each of the sides say what they did, public and secret. Then the game admin says what happened, and if the secret stuff is found out, announces it, if not, it is kept quiet. That way both sides say what they want, and the admin decides what the results are.
I would like to point out, with real war gaming, hundreds of simulations are done with different outcomes at every step. So there's no real right answer for any situation, purely conjecture at what would likely happen.

Sorry if I am doubling up something already said, but I am not reading 10 pages of posts :-P.
I completely agree.
I've done a little bit of wargaming for some of my classes, and the way it works is you have each of the sides say what they did, public and secret. Then the game admin says what happened, and if the secret stuff is found out, announces it, if not, it is kept quiet. That way both sides say what they want, and the admin decides what the results are.
I would like to point out, with real war gaming, hundreds of simulations are done with different outcomes at every step. So there's no real right answer for any situation, purely conjecture at what would likely happen.

That is good, but that means you would have to have a Style-Mod or Administer for every RP...which means before you make a post, you need to align that with someone. Its a good idea, I like it...takes a lot of honor to do that. Would have helped in the Melkor Wars.

Wakes up after the long summer slumber and realizes that NS as survived and evolved, but so many familiar countries and organisations as dissapered.

But then I read this thread, and I surely want to be a part of this.
IF there's room of course.

Derto

I'm intrigued by this idea, and would of course like to be a part. I think I have qualifications ... Yes ...

I would love to be a member of the mod-squad it would be an honour of the highest degree. I really like rping, i'm pretty good at it and I'm active on the forums (if I'm not It's cause I'm away) so could I join please

I'd like to help moderate the game. I am, after all, helping moderate the roleplay channel for NS on IRC :-) By being its founder.

I know I'm relatively new compared to some of the volunteers, but I can offer the fact that I am ALWAYS on Monday - Friday, 6am - 3pm EST. Please TM if I'm qualified, if not then thanks anyway. And a thank you to the Mods for making such a nice place to RP.

Well hey, seeing as how I'm on fairly often (or at least have this up idling where I can do quick checks), and seeing as how Kits was kind enough to give me mention and put me on his forum, and seeing as how I tend to not get involved in wars and such that might require me to take sides and all ... I'm up for it, if anyone's interested.

I've been rp'ing for a good long while now with a lot of different systems. I'm not going to lay any claims one way or the other as to whether or not that makes me qualified for anything - I'll leave that up to the folks that may or may not want me to help mediate. Y'all might know my style by now, and if not, eh ... no big. I will promise this - if asked to help, I'll do my damndest to keep it fair, impartial, and not play the favorites game with things, to the best of my all too human abilities.

I'll be postin' some info on Kits page soon - hope that helps. See you on the forums.

Hmm, this thread looks familiar...really familiar...Didnt i see it a while back?

Ohh ya, it was that one I made, where there were voted for a GM(not as supported as this), and kits won, but nothing actually happened....

Just wanted to point it out, as i did to kits in irc :P

EDIT: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6769

I would be happy to take part.
Telak

I'll do it. I can't really say i've been extremely active, but I can say that I am a GM sometimes outside of NS, and I am also trusted as a good RPer and fair player by many, including Ur An Ass, Automagfreek, and Angelus.

I'd say I could do it, but the fact is I couldn't.

I'll help the mods in any way, but if given any extra powers or special treatment, I'd never hear the end of it. I officially declair that I do not qualify!

But I do have a question. How does one qualify? I know someone really interested, but doesn't want to say it because he's been let down . . .

I wold love to help the mods in any way I can. Even if it means anything bad

I would be interested in joining.

screw you xanaka rules

I'd love to help but my IRC (or chat room that is) doesn't work for me...

If you need help selecting a bunch of game mods, Kits... I will be more than happy to sit on a commitee. Literally and physically...

I need help with an RP with Saruman the white, namely, Sarumans last couple of posts, the URL is here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1682634#1682634

I missed the main event due to heart surgery, but the People's Anthill war is getting a bit hot between me and Kelvinisgrad.

We could use some unbiased assistance in making sure that we're not engaging in unvarnished silliness. Somebody to review attacks/reactions and act as arbiter for the military side.

Here is the last post I made on the subject.


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1748825&highlight=#1748825

:twisted: What ever! Nation states isn't devolving!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

notices lots of young mods...

me 2

ello, i jus made me own nation n i gotta say the sites pretty sweet.
anywayz i jus wanted to know, apart from issues ect is there anythin else u can do with your country ect?

chris

---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---

ello, i jus made me own nation n i gotta say the sites pretty sweet.
anywayz i jus wanted to know, apart from issues ect is there anythin else u can do with your country ect?

chrisRoleplay.

i wantz 2 b a m0d!!1!

:cry:

Now that Kits is gone, what's gonna happen to this thread?

I'm not sure. It never really was centralized around Kits much, and the forums still function. I suppose existing Mod Squad members will vote on new "mods".

OOC: GP, your move.

GP? Pardon?

Shit, wrong thread.

A suggestion for fantasy nations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93664)

To the MOD Squad..

T-O-C is Camdeans military base..

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=camdean

I will use this for R/P in war, Just wondering if its legimet to add both population numbers together or is Camdeans population what i should use ?

Well, if you want it to be an RP war, and not a numberwankfest, then I'd ignore the population entirely, unless there is a huge disparity between the two.

To the MOD Squad..

T-O-C is Camdeans military base..

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=camdean

I will use this for R/P in war, Just wondering if its legimet to add both population numbers together or is Camdeans population what i should use ?

I don't see how you could fairly use both nations as one, and consider it fair roleplaying.

Unless they are played completly seperatly, no two nations should be used in the same war. Otherwise, it's just an excuse to gain population twice as fast as anyone else, and is bad form.

I have a slight question:
If I were to say, invade a country completely out of the blue, with no advance provocation or notification, could the opposing nation have a legitimate claim to ignore me? Just a thought. Hope this is the right place to ask this.

Yer: Well, the Mod Squad board is the correct place to ask, but I suppose here is okay, too.

Yes, they have a great claim to ignore you. Why on God's green Earth would you invade them if they didn't provoke you, and you have no reason to?

I think that I might be in need of a Mod here soon, should one become available.

Meteor Shower over Aperin --- Theta Omega Missions (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98448&highlight=)

Yer: Well, the Mod Squad board is the correct place to ask, but I suppose here is okay, too.

Yes, they have a great claim to ignore you. Why on God's green Earth would you invade them if they didn't provoke you, and you have no reason to?
I disagree. What if you just want something they have, such as something they produce? Hussein invaded Kuwait for oil and territory gain, and nothing else. It's happened all through history, nations attacking others with no provocation. Why should it be different here?

Yeah, and then Hussein got stomped on for doing that.

Do you want something that they produce? Trade. (Miss that lesson on "sharing" in school? ;-)) Works a lot better.

hmm... good idea can anyone join???

Anyone join what? The Mod Squad? No.

oh, shame...

I have a slight question:
If I were to say, invade a country completely out of the blue, with no advance provocation or notification, could the opposing nation have a legitimate claim to ignore me? Just a thought. Hope this is the right place to ask this.

I tend to agree with Imnsvale, BUT, I have to ask one question: are your leader and the 'elite' of your nation RP'd as being completely psychotic? If they are, then, really... you're just staying In Character, and enacting an ignore for that would be just silly.

So it would depend on the circumstances, really.

I have a slight question:
If I were to say, invade a country completely out of the blue, with no advance provocation or notification, could the opposing nation have a legitimate claim to ignore me? Just a thought. Hope this is the right place to ask this.

Don't forget, just because you're invading them out of the blue ICly doesn't mean you can't tell them OOCly ahead of time.


-Kits (being all nostalgic and stuff)

OOC: Eh, Kits, why dont you get your nation ressurected?

OOC: Eh, Kits, why dont you get your nation ressurected?

Because I've lost my pwn4g3 Nov. 23 2002 join date, and I really don't that the time to RP here anyway.

I think that I might be in need of a Mod here soon, should one become available.

Meteor Shower over Aperin --- Theta Omega Missions (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98448&highlight=)

Imns! I hired you now get to work! There is OOC posting going on!

Watchyer mouth, boy. I already got it.

I have a slight question:
If I were to say, invade a country completely out of the blue, with no advance provocation or notification, could the opposing nation have a legitimate claim to ignore me? Just a thought. Hope this is the right place to ask this.


I'd say that you would HAVE to while 'Out of character/OOC' alert the owner of the other nation. In RP, that would be fine, really... so long as the other nation knows about this, and agrees to it OOC.

i dont want to be mod right know but i need help i need to know how to change my town no one will help so will any of you help me plz
general ducky

i dont want to be mod right know but i need help i need to know how to change my town no one will help so will any of you help me plz
general ducky

i dont want to be mod right know but i need help i need to know how to change my town no one will help so will any of you help me plz
general ducky

i dont want to be mod right know but i need help i need to know how to change my town no one will help so will any of you help me plz
general ducky

It's called a nation, not a town, and what about it do you want to change?

i dont want to be mod right know but i need help i need to know how to change my town no one will help so will any of you help me plz
general ducky
Well, I'm not part of the mod squad, but I have piece of advice:
Speak on these forums like a normal human being. You see how you can read what I'm saying without straining your eyes? You see how what I'm saying is coherent and makes sense? None of this "OMG i needz helpsors sum1 hepl plz!!1" You will not earn any respect the way your are typing, and everyone is just going to take you for another stupid n00b that has no idea what they're doing or where they are. Seriously. Now talk like a normal human being.

[This post is just to clear out the Dec.31 1969 that -may- be making the forums slow up. it probably isn't, but hey, it's worked before.]

(Darth Reven) Fools you will all fall for the empire has arrived and you will all fall to my power!! :twisted:

that sounds like a good idea, and i would be happy to help :oops: If we can help, we are ready to make it.

Surely not.

Does this thread even serve a purpose anymore?