NationStates Jolt Archive

There are 27 UN nation classifications, each filling a certain position on the personal/economic/political freedom scale. They are color coded by prevalence. You can find a map of them here:

**** SPOILER WARNING!!!! ****
Spoiler: If you know the relative freedoms of the UN classifications, much of the mystery is taken out of your decision-making process.
http://alces.sel.uaf.edu/gregg/ns/nsmap.html

[violet] made a summary of the prevalence of the different nation types and posted it on the news page. It is cool:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=nationstats

Here on the forums, I notice that Forostar started a topic to address this question, and Aelenti put forth classifications. I agree with them.

Thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6551

The primary factor I used for tie-breaking was the description text that appears in the first paragraph of the nation description. This text is always the same for a particular type of nation, regardless of other factors. This leads me to believe that the game designer wrote that text based only on the position of the nation type relative to other types.

Since the variability of Civil Rights and Political Freedoms is very small within a given nation type, those also provide support to the map.

Nice....

Nice....

Ditto.

The one you're missing is Free-Market Paradise.

Thanks! I hope that we can figure this out with the combined brain power of forum people. The alternative is to create fire-and-forget nations with a specific agenda dn then try to get them to change from one classification to another. That kind of experiment would give us 100% certain measures of the relative positions of the classifications. But it would be a week-long project, as opposed to the two hours it took to just guess and make a picture.

The one you're missing is Free-Market Paradise.
Woo-hoo!!! I don't suppose you know the name of a nation that has that type?

I used to... he's gone now, though.

I know how to get a psychotic dictatorship to start with, if that helps...

:) Like it.

I know how to get a psychotic dictatorship to start with, if that helps...
I tried a while ago and got a corrupt dictatorship. Guess I didn't knock down capitalism and personal freedom enough.

One of the things that makes me suspicious of my map is that my Civil Rights Lovefest jumped two categories to a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise with one decision to restrict campaign contributions by large companies. But, I guess that makes sense, since that decision restricts both political and economic freedom. What a neat game! I can't wait to see version 2.

Remember - these can't really be classified this way. The UN categories are based on the laws your nation enacts, not actually on your three freedom scales.

Remember - these can't really be classified this way. The UN categories are based on the laws your nation enacts, not actually on your three freedom scales.

My scales aren't the three freedom scales that you see reported. I'm trying to reverse engineer the original table the game designer used. If I read the FAQ correctly, the three scales you see on your nation report are determined by issue decisions, initial conditions, and an underlying set of three parameters. The FAQ says that the underlying parameters will be pretty close to the values observed by a nation, but the variability for a nation type seems pretty darn huge.

That's why I gave the first paragraph text a lot more weight than the nation scales that I observed. I assume that the designer had three scales, each with three categories, for 3^3 = 27 nation classifications, and tried to describe how those classifications might result in different types of nations. So it's qualitative reverse engineering, which means I certainly got things wrong. I'm a programmer and I'm not too facile with understanding speech by normal people.

That's a groovy map. :)

]That's a groovy map. :)
Yay! The admin likes it. I'll pour another bowl.

And of course you won't just TELL me which parts are wrong. Oh noooo.

But seriously, what fun would that be?

Very very cool :!:

Very nice implementation of my observations. As a note... it's Economy, primarily, that seems to diverge from the reported variables. There also appears to be gradation within variables, that puts the border between 'centrist' and 'libertarian' for political and social freedoms in the middle of Excellent.

Verrrry impressive. Thanks to both of you.

ive never seen a free market paradise

Thanks.
Very well done.

Very nice implementation of my observations. As a note... it's Economy, primarily, that seems to diverge from the reported variables. There also appears to be gradation within variables, that puts the border between 'centrist' and 'libertarian' for political and social freedoms in the middle of Excellent.

Thanks! I made a version before looking at your categories, but I messed up the relative positions of Father Knows Best and Corrupt Dictatorship and omitted Free Market Paradise, the net result was about 6 nations in the wrong place. Looking at your list fixed that!

Now I wonder if we can see the relative distribution of nations by classification? That would be nifty.

ive never seen a free market paradise

what would be the difference between a capitalist paradise and a free market paradise? maybe they just changed the term?

ive never seen a free market paradise

what would be the difference between a capitalist paradise and a free market paradise? maybe they just changed the term?

I haven't seen the description text, but when I succeed in making one, I'll be sure to tell you.

From memory, a "Free Market Paradise" has "free and open elections and political processes that are invariably corrupted by big-spending corporations purchasing canidates in their favor". This may not be the exact words, but...

Cool. I want one.

Now I wonder if we can see the relative distribution of nations by classification? That would be nifty.
I would like to see this, too. It's on the to-do list. ;)

Cool map :wink: There are a few I haven't seen though; those three being tyranny by majority, conservative democracy, and free market paradise. :(

Dumb question though, are the authoritarian/libertarian/centrist categories based on your decisions on issues or what level your civil rights/economy/political rights are at, or a combination of those?

Dumb question though, are the authoritarian/libertarian/centrist categories based on your decisions on issues or what level your civil rights/economy/political rights are at, or a combination of those?

That's not a dumb question at all. And it's a little hard to answer, but here's how I understand things:

There are three 'hidden' scales: "Personal Freedom, Economic Freedom, Political Freedom." These are hidden from you by the game. When you look at your nation report, you see three different but closely related scales: "Civil Rights, Economy, Political Freedoms." The values you see on your nation summary are based on the hidden scales, your issue decisions, UN resolutions and your initial choices. (I think.) There is some variability in all three of the reported values, but the most variable one appears to be economy.

So you can have a Psychotic dictatorship, but if you've made the right economic choices, it can still have a good economy. You probably won't achieve a Frightening economy with such a restrictive government, but if you do, tell us all how you did it! Similarly, I really want to see an Anarchy or a Corporate Police State with an imploded economy.

Everything I said here I'm stealing from posts by Aelenti, Sentient Peoples and others and the NationStates FAQ. Blame them.

As best as I can tell, "Civil Rights" and "Political Freedom" appear to accurately report the actual freedom variables that determine category, although the "line" between centrist and libertarian appears to be in the *middle* of "Excellent" (which means that one nation with Excellent Civil Rights might be a Left-Leaning College State while another nation with the same reported values might be an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy). (I'd have to check again to determine where the line between centrist and authoritarian is, but I *think* it's in "Some". That information is not certain, however). Economic Freedom, however, *is* hidden, and Economy can vary quite far from it, based on variables I can't fully isolate yet. If anybody had specific questions on what freedoms are affected by what issues, I have most of them worked out, although a few I don't know (mostly because I routinely dismiss some issues, and haven't fully explored the decision space for all of them).

Ah, I see now 8) Thanks to both of you!

If anybody had specific questions on what freedoms are affected by what issues, I have most of them worked out, although a few I don't know (mostly because I routinely dismiss some issues, and haven't fully explored the decision space for all of them).

I, myself, am curious. If you can, please share. :wink:

I said *specific* questions. *chuckles* I'm not going to go to the effort of dredging out my memory for every issue in the game and its effects.

As best as I can tell, "Civil Rights" and "Political Freedom" appear to accurately report the actual freedom variables that determine category,

Maybe I should have said: "technically hidden, but really easy to figure out" for those variables.

Oops. ^^; Well, I'm curious about the Spiritual Advisor issue, specifically the last two options, if you have that.

QUESTION: Is there a Free Market Paradise country out there? There must be.


Yes, there is. The Free Land of West Ariddia. It's not my main nation (The People's Republic of Ariddia is communist); it's just an experiment in capitalism. ;)

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=west_ariddia

At least, it's a Free Market Paradise today. In case that changes, here's the description:

The Free Land of West Ariddia is a large, economically powerful nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 23 million enjoy frequent elections, which are uniformly corrupted by big-spending corporations buying politicians who best suit their interests.

There is no government in the normal sense the word; however, a small group of community-minded, corrupt, pro-business individuals juggles the competing demands of Commerce, Law & Order, and Religion & Spirituality. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Information Technology, Automobile Manufacturing, and Retail industries.

Corporations donate huge sums of money to favored politicians, there are no minimum wage laws, the mining industry is making inroads into environmentally sensitive areas, and all major public areas are watched by police surveillance cameras. Crime is a major problem. West Ariddia's national animal is the trout, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the west ariddian credit.

Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Very Strong
Political Rights: Superb

I think the last two choices for the Spiritual Advisor issue both raise Civil Rights (at least slightly). The second will make your people more compassionate as well, while the last makes them more hard-nosed.

Oh, okay. Thanks! 8)

[quote="Nakagotopia"]Cool map :wink: There are a few I haven't seen though; those three being tyranny by majority, conservative democracy, and free market paradise. :( [quote]

I've seen one or two Tyranny By Majoritys (Tyrannies By Majority?), it seems as though taking a wrong turn at one of the dictatorships can get you there. Conservative Democracy (as well as its cousin, Moralistic Democracy) are what one of my other nations (non-UN) went through every now and then when I increased the political freedoms by accident - it's normally a Corporate Police State or something similar.

]I would like to see this, too. It's on the to-do list. ;)

I really don't want to subject your server to the 10,000 page requests it would take to do a survey, but I couldn't resist writing a script to do it.

So instead of surveying the 99,990 nations in the current UN report, I just surveyed the first 2000.

So, here's the breakdown of the government types of the 2000 nations with the largest gambling industry.

551 Compulsory Consumerist State
385 Corporate Police State
296 Capitalist Paradise
135 Capitalizt
124 Father Knows Best State
117 Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
77 Left-Leaning College State
71 Anarchy
53 Benevolent Dictatorship
45 Corporate Bordello
34 Iron Fist Consumerists
25 New York Times Democracy
23 ex-nation (It's worse than that! He's dead, Jim!)
20 Right-wing Utopia
19 Libertarian Police State
14 Civil Rights Lovefest
3 Democratic Socialists
3 Corrupt Dictatorship
2 Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
2 Moralistic Democracy
1 Left-wing Utopia

I estimate that the script would require about 2 hours to survey the entire world, with that figure based very strongly on current load on the respective servers and general internet load.

And unless an admin tells me to, I'm not going to do that. Nationstates only prohibits robots from the forum, but still, it seems rude. Maybe instead I'll just survey the ends of the spectrum for a few days and the we can all see which nation type does best/worst on the various UN surveys.

Yes, please don't hit our server to query the whole database! This poor forum is barely standing as it is.

Some of the "nation types performing well on the surveys" would just be commonsense, wouldn't they? I might be wrong, but it doesn't surprise me that Compulsory Consumerists and so on have large gambling industries. My guess would be the distribution would be similar for "most pro-market nations" as well.

]Yes, please don't hit our server to query the whole database! This poor forum is barely standing as it is.

I definitely won't do that to your server. It was fun to get the perl exercise, though.

So instead of surveying the 99,990 nations in the current UN report, I just surveyed the first 2000.

So, here's the breakdown of the government types of the 2000 nations with the largest gambling industry. (ETC...)

Very nice.
Very impressive and informative thread.
It is much appreciated.

Reason & Compassion

That map is excellent! Thanks!

I have one question though. At the moment my ratings are:

Civil Rights Lovefest

Civil Rights Economy Political Freedoms
World Benchmark Powerhouse World Benchmark

Is "Widely Abused" the highest rating for Civil Rights as well as Political freedom? Or is it just Political freedom that can be "Widely Abused"?

Is "Widely Abused" the highest rating for Civil Rights as well as Political freedom? Or is it just Political freedom that can be "Widely Abused"?

No idea. I haven't set up empirical tests for those yet. I guess it's about time I start recording the results of decisions and play min-maxer.

Other players have already done this, and might share.

I do not comprehend that map, it's nice but, I'm ignorant...

I do not comprehend that map, it's nice but, I'm ignorant...

Here's the short answer: your country has a certain amount of different types of freedoms. (personal/economic/political) Each time you make a decision, you increase or decrease some of these freedoms. Based on how much of each freedom your country has, the UN assigns you a name, like "Benevolent Dictatorship" if you have a lot of economic and personal freedom, but no political freedom. But if you have, say a lot of personal freedom, little economic freedom, and medium political freedom, then you're a "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise."

The map is my attempt to draw the position of all the nation types along the 3 axis of freedom. It's supposed to kinda look like slices of a cube.

For fun, some friends and I are trying to make a region that has all 8 of the most extreme government types. And they all have to have cool flags.

I would try to make a 27 nation region with one of each 27 country types, but that would require either more free time or more friends.

I would try to make a 27 nation region with one of each 27 country types, but that would require either more free time or more friends.

Need help with that? There are probably a lot of volunteers out here...

If anybody had specific questions on what freedoms are affected by what issues, I have most of them worked out, although a few I don't know (mostly because I routinely dismiss some issues, and haven't fully explored the decision space for all of them).

Personally, I'd like to see which issue(s) raise political freedoms.

On an unrelated topic, which category do you think, best defines Oceania, the country in George Orwell's 1984? Psychotic dictatorship?

If anybody had specific questions on what freedoms are affected by what issues, I have most of them worked out, although a few I don't know (mostly because I routinely dismiss some issues, and haven't fully explored the decision space for all of them).

Personally, I'd like to see which issue(s) raise political freedoms.

On an unrelated topic, which category do you think, best defines Oceania, the country in George Orwell's 1984? Psychotic dictatorship?

If anybody had specific questions on what freedoms are affected by what issues, I have most of them worked out, although a few I don't know (mostly because I routinely dismiss some issues, and haven't fully explored the decision space for all of them).

Personally, I'd like to see which issue(s) raise political freedoms.

On an unrelated topic, which category do you think, best defines Oceania, the country in George Orwell's 1984? Psychotic dictatorship?

thanks, this was very usefull!

On an unrelated topic, which category do you think, best defines Oceania, the country in George Orwell's 1984? Psychotic dictatorship?

It was a one-party state (low politics).
Every act was possibly recorded, and subject to prosecution (low civil)
From what I recall, there was no private enterprise -- under IngSoc the government oversaw all production (low econ)
So yes, Psychotic dictatorship

that is excellent...I am a Corporate Police State...and it says my political beliefs!

Sorry about the quadruple post. :oops:

Cool 8)

St Lucia has achieved the prestigious UN category of Free-Market Paradise, for inquiring minds. How long we'll be able to hold it is anyone's guess, though we'll try to keep it there as long as humanly possible.
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=st_lucia

to the mods,

maybe after getting a feel of the categories that dominate the nationstates, maybe we can run a scan on the biggest regions in the nationstates.

good PR gimmick, i think.

maybe we can run a scan on the biggest regions in the nationstates.

I'm no mod, but violet has mentioned that something of the sort is on the to-do list.

Here.... let's get up an example of each of the different categories!

Just for reference sake and all... it could prove interesting.





The Democratic States of St Lucia
"Statio haud malefida carinis"
UN Category: Free-Market Paradise
Civil Rights: Few
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Widely Abused
Location: Caribbean

The Democratic States of St Lucia is a small, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-working, intelligent population of 18 million enjoy frequent elections, which are uniformly corrupted by big-spending corporations buying politicians who best suit their interests.

There is no government in the normal sense the word; however, a small group of community-minded, corrupt individuals juggles the competing demands of Commerce, Law & Order, and Religion & Spirituality. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining, Gambling, and Beef-Based Agriculture industries.

Harry Potter books are banned, the police force is on a recruitment drive, the automotive industry soaks up huge government handouts, and euthanasia is illegal. Crime is a problem. St Lucia's national animal is the parrot, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the XCD.





(and yes, this one's more what I was aiming for, for RP purposes.)

The Disputed Territories of The Ancient Pit
"Fear for your life."
UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship
Civil Rights: Outlawed
Economy: Weak
Political Freedoms: Outlawed
Location: C_Ebans_World

The Disputed Territories of The Ancient Pit is a very large, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its hard-nosed, cynical population of 127 million are ruled without fear or favor by a psychotic dictator, who outlaws just about everything and refers to the populace as "my little playthings."

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt, moralistic, socially-minded government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Law & Order, the Environment, and Public Transport. The average income tax rate is 84%, and even higher for the wealthy. The private sector is almost wholly made up of enterprising fourteen-year-old boys selling lemonade on the sidewalk, although the government is looking at stamping this out.

Cars are banned, organ donation is compulsory, military funding has been stripped back, and organ donation rates have hit a new low. Crime is a problem. The Ancient Pit's national animal is the demented Elder, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the beating.







The Dominion of Sketch
"Big Brother is Watching You"
UN Category: Corporate Police State
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Outlawed
Location: AZN Pride

The Dominion of Sketch is a massive, safe nation, remarkable for its punitive income tax rates. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 1297 million are ruled with an iron fist by the corrupt, dictatorship government, which oppresses anyone who isn't on the board of a Fortune 500 company. Large corporations tend to be above the law, and use their financial clout to gain ever-increasing government benefits at the expense of the poor and unemployed.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt, moralistic government stops and the rest of society begins, but it devotes most of its attentions to Defence, with areas such as the Environment and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 61%. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining industry, followed by Automobile Manufacturing and Beef-Based Agriculture.

Scientists regularly clone human beings for research purposes, organ donation is compulsory, citizens are barcoded to keep track of their movements, and the country is preparing for war. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force. Sketch's national animal is the mindflayer, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the credit.








The Incorporated States of Chuckles
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
UN Category: Right-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Average
Location: Middle of Nowhere

The Incorporated States of Chuckles is a enormous, economically powerful nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 916 million are free to succeed or fail in life on their own merits; the successful tend to enjoy an opulent (but moralistic) lifestyle, while the failures can be seen crowding out most jails.

The large government juggles the competing demands of Commerce, Defence, and Education. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

The streets are increasingly clogged with poverty-stricken beggars, the latest Harry Potter book is a bestseller, the country's famous rainforests are being bulldozed by the mining industry, and euthanasia is illegal. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Chuckles's national animal is the jackalope, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the almighty dollar.








The Incorporated States of Yucaztlan
"Heritage Modernized"
UN Category: Iron Fist Consumerists
Civil Rights: Rare
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Few
Location: Shevat Treaty Organization

The Incorporated States of Yucaztlan is a enormous, economically powerful nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 797 million are kept under strict control by the oppressive government, which measures its success by the nation's GDP and refers to individual citizens as "human resources."

There is no government in the normal sense the word; however, a small group of community-minded, moralistic individuals juggles the competing demands of Defence, Commerce, and Law & Order. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

The alarmingly racist TV show 'Bigtopians Say the Darndest Things' is a hit, scientists regularly clone human beings for research purposes, college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys, and euthanasia is illegal. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force. Yucaztlan's national animal is the coyote, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the nuyen.







The Holy Empire of The Nexus
"Acceptance is peace"
UN Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Imploded
Political Freedoms: Superb
Location: the South Pacific

The Holy Empire of The Nexus is a enormous, environmentally stunning nation, renowned for its strong anti-business politics. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 766 million hold their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, liberal government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of the Environment, Education, and Social Equality. The average income tax rate is 100%. The private sector is almost wholly made up of enterprising fourteen-year-old boys selling lemonade on the sidewalk, although the government is looking at stamping this out.

The government is reigning in public spending, euthanasia is legal, scientists regularly clone human beings for research purposes, and citizens can be frequently spotted going about their business stark naked. Crime is totally unknown. The Nexus's national animal is the tiger, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the golden .







I'll put others in other posts, unless someone else wants to add them too... don't wanna make this too unweildy... as if it isn't already...

Here's mine, currently a corporate bordello:

The Holy Empire of Nakagotopia
"Early birds get the worm; the 2nd mouse gets the cheese"

UN Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: Bishounentopia
The Holy Empire of Nakagotopia is a enormous, economically powerful nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working, intelligent population of 295 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Social Equality, Education, and Commerce. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 46%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Gambling industry.

The government awards prizes to television shows featuring stereotype-breaking minority roles, it is a crime to offend someone's religious beliefs, organ donation is compulsory, and the government is slowly introducing social welfare programs. Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Nakagotopia's national animal is the seiryuu, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the shinzaho.

Is "Widely Abused" the highest rating for Civil Rights as well as Political freedom? Or is it just Political freedom that can be "Widely Abused"?

Corrupted is actually the highest level of Political Freedoms (that I've seen), Widely Abused is second. For Civil Rights, I believe Frightening is highest, but I'm not entirely sure what the second one is (I've never seen Widely Abused as a Civil Rights level, not once, so I'm willing to bet it's not in the Civil spectrum). Excessive might be second for Civil, though it's third for Political Freedoms.

On the 3-D graph and accompanying table that start this thread (which are most excellent, I might add), I've found one minor inconsistency.

The table has:
Capitalist Paradise | Centrist Libertarian Libertarian
Corporate Bordello | Centrist Libertarian Centrist

However, the graph indicates:

Capitalist Paradise | Centrist Libertarian Centrist
Corporate Bordello | Centrist Libertarian Libertarian

It's a minor flaw in an otherwise most appreciated document, and something I don't *think* I've seen mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but which one's right?

And that makes two nations I own Free-Market Paradises. Both Tunis and St Lucia. Guess it's not all that hard. Telegram me if you want to know the very simple trick ;)

which one's right?

The graph was right, the table was wrong. Fixed the table. Good catch! Sorry about that.

If you're still collecting examples of each category type, here's five more from my region:



The Dominion of Mechanizek
"Order is the engine that drives the nations"

UN Category: Father Knows Best State
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

The Dominion of Mechanizek is a enormous, safe nation, renowned for its compulsory military service. Its compassionate, hard-working, cynical population of 233 million are ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt government stops and the rest of society begins, but it concentrates mainly on Commerce, although Education and Law & Order are secondary priorities. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 32%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

Punitive tariffs protect local industry, the government is avowedly atheist, the automotive industry soaks up huge government handouts, and a large-scale revitalization of the education system is underway. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Mechanizek's national animal is the tarrasque, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the modron.








The Federation of Andrestia
"Peace, wisdom, compassion"

UN Category: Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms: Some

The Federation of Andrestia is a very large, safe nation, notable for its complete lack of prisons. Its compassionate population of 98 million enjoy extensive civil rights and enjoy a level social equality free of the usual accompanying government corruption.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent government stops and the rest of society begins, but it is mainly concerned with Social Welfare, although Education and Religion & Spirituality are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 49%, but much higher for the wealthy. A small but healthy private sector is led by the Information Technology industry, followed by Door-to-door Insurance Sales and Book Publishing.

Andrestia's children are widely acknowledged as the most foul-mouthed in the region, voting is voluntary, gambling is outlawed, and college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is well under control. Andrestia's national animal is the wolf, which is also the nation's favorite main course, and its currency is the drac.








The Dominion of Evardia
"Together we stand against the tyranny of others."

UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: Good
Political Freedoms: Below Average

The Dominion of Evardia is a very large, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its burgeoning elk population. Its compassionate population of 114 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, socially-minded morass -- juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Education, and Defence. The average income tax rate is 40%, but much higher for the wealthy. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Trout Farming, Information Technology, and Furniture Restoration industries.

The tenet of free speech is held dear, punitive tariffs protect local industry, the nation is ravaged by daily union strikes, and guns are banned. Crime is totally unknown, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Evardia's national animal is the elk, which is also the nation's favorite main course, and its currency is the mark.







The Dictatorship of That Guy Named Imre
"Takes one to know one"

UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Average

The Dictatorship of That Guy Named Imre is a very large, economically powerful nation, renowned for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 166 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked morass -- juggles the competing demands of Defence, Commerce, and Law & Order. The average income tax rate is 39%, but much higher for the wealthy. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Automobile Manufacturing, Book Publishing, and Beef-Based Agriculture industries.

The government is cutting back on the number of political prisoners executed each year, it is a crime to offend someone's religious beliefs, voting is voluntary, and high-income earners pay a 100% tax rate. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is well under control, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. That Guy Named Imre's national animal is the t-rex and its currency is the brewer.








The Commonwealth of Valath
"Intellectualism first!"

UN Category: Left-Leaning College State
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Average

The Commonwealth of Valath is a enormous, safe nation, remarkable for its devotion to social welfare. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 225 million enjoy extensive civil freedoms, particularly in social issues, while business tends to be more regulated.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, liberal government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Education, Social Equality, and Social Welfare. The average income tax rate is 38%, but much higher for the wealthy. A large private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

The government awards prizes to television shows featuring stereotype-breaking minority roles, punitive tariffs protect local industry, meat-eating is frowned upon, and a large-scale revitalization of the education system is underway. Crime is totally unknown. Valath's national animal is the serpent, which is also the nation's favorite main course, and its currency is the Dove.

Have you guys seen the News page? :)

]Have you guys seen the News page? :)

No, but I'm going to right away! :D *excited*

Sweet! 8) Take a look!

Here's another type:

The United Socialist States of Lincolns Land

"Moderates are too conservative"
UN Category: Iron Fist Socialists
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Imploded
Political Freedoms: Few
Location: Area 51
[Lincolns Land is a UN Member]

The United Socialist States of Lincolns Land is a enormous, safe nation, remarkable for its strong anti-business politics. Its compassionate, cynical population of 387 million are ruled with an iron fist by the socialist government, which grants its people the freedom to do whatever they like so long as it doesn't involve getting richer than anybody else or challenging the government.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, socially-minded government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of the Environment, Social Welfare, and Education. The average income tax rate is 100%. The private sector is almost wholly made up of enterprising fourteen-year-old boys selling lemonade on the sidewalk, although the government is looking at stamping this out.

All industry is owned and run by the government, the government's religious works are headed by a New Age guru, the government awards prizes to television shows featuring stereotype-breaking minority roles, and the tenet of free speech is held dear. Crime is totally unknown. Lincolns Land's national animal is the donkey, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the Blagojevich.

For what its worth, my Iron Fist Consumerist nation is Unheard Of, Powerhouse, Outlawed.

Can't remember if it was this thread, however, I believe so:

Astral America is Anarchy and has a horrible economy.

However... I have no idea how I did it. :P

So it would seem:

The Republic of Astral America

"Striving for Sonic Immortality!"
UN Category: Anarchy
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Basket Case
Political Freedoms: Superb
Interesting...

Also, I think my country technically has all three ranked as 'high', which should make me an anarchy... :
The Incorporated States of The Most Glorious Hack

"Vae puto deus fio"
UN Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Superb

In fact, the only difference between us is our economies.

It would seem that your classification might be determined by more than just rankings...

No, economy and economic freedom (latter which determines your UN rank amongst other things, former which is irrelevant to the UN ranking) can differ quite strongly, AFAIK, whilst Civil Rights & personal freedom for example are pretty close. IIRC.

No, my point was that the only difference between Astral America and MGH on the classifications was our economies. AA's and MGH's Civil Rights and Political Freedoms are (currently) the same.

And Economy does affect the UN classification. Mine changed with only an economy drop.

Hrm. Actually, I'm disturbed that my Political Freedoms are so low... they used to be Widely Abused...

Hmm, I reached Anarchy (again) but this time without having Political freedom: Widely abused. It's "only" excessive.

C.R: World benchmark (seems to be the upper limit)
E: Power House
P.F: Excessive

i used to be a free market paradise. but the n it changed a lot

No, my point was that the only difference between Astral America and MGH on the classifications was our economies. AA's and MGH's Civil Rights and Political Freedoms are (currently) the same.

And Economy does affect the UN classification. Mine changed with only an economy drop.

Hrm. Actually, I'm disturbed that my Political Freedoms are so low... they used to be Widely Abused...

Here we go again!

What you see as "Economy" is different from "Economic Freedom." The report that you see for "Economy" is based on the state of your individual industries, your decisions, your government type, the phase of the moon, Oprah's current weight, and a hidden scale that the game keeps called "Economic Freedom"

As such, "Economy" can vary wildly and pretty much any government type can have a good or a bad one.

Social and Political Freedom appear to be different, where your government type closely corresponds to what you see in the report. But notice that you both have "Excellent" civil rights, which supports what other people have said: that the dividing line between the government types happens somewhere in the "Excellent" range.

]Have you guys seen the News page? :)

Awesome! Go Violet!

Using [violet]'s nifty stats, I have color coded the nations on the map by prevalence.

Color choice was very finicky, due to the skew of the distribution, and the color ranges chosen were to best differentiate the nations while maintaining readability.

Sometime's it's neat how making a graph like this can easily demonstrate things that would take a fair amount of careful calculation to prove analytically. For example, there appears to be a strong, positive correlation between personal and political freedom and no general correlation between either and economic freedom.

How do I know this? Look at the way that the colors tend to be arranged in horizontal bands. This means that as economic freedom changes, the relative prevalence of the other two factors doesn't change that much.

But, since there ARE patterns apparent in the graph, there must be some kind of correlation going on. In this case, look at the blueish graph entries. Notice how they are arranged on opposite edges of the cube? On one edge, personal freedom is high and political freedom low. On the opposite edge, political is high and personal is low. These nations are (by far) the rarest, and that implies that not many people in the game choose for high freedom in one and low in the other. That's a positive correlation. If it was the other way around, and these nations were popular, and the other edges of the cube were rare, then it would be a negative correlation.

For those of you with real statistical experience, I apologize for the gross simplifications and the use of assumptions.

Here is my humble little country

The United Socialist States of Terre de la liberte
"It is better to die free than to live as a slave"

UN Category: Left-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Fair
Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: Quebec
The United Socialist States of Terre de la liberte is a tiny, socially progressive nation, notable for its strong anti-business politics. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 6 million are free to do what they want with their own bodies, and vote for whoever they like in elections; if they go into business, however, they are regulated to within an inch of their lives.

The medium-sized, corrupt government juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Religion & Spirituality, and *Defence*. The average income tax rate is 23%, but much higher for the wealthy. *Private enterprise is illegal*, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Gambling.

*The alarmingly racist TV show 'Bigtopians Say the Darndest Things' is a hit* and it is a crime to offend someone's religious beliefs. *Crime is a problem*, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. Terre de la liberte's national animal is the castor, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the piastre.


passage in beetween * * are things I want to change :)
You have 5 telegrams!


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Using [violet]'s nifty stats, I have color coded the nations on the map by prevalence.
Very neat! :)

The one you're missing is Free-Market Paradise.
Woo-hoo!!! I don't suppose you know the name of a nation that has that type?

I was a Free Market Paradies-for a brief 12 hours

That was long but I found one example of every governement .. here it is all

UN Category: Corporate Police State
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

Location: Quebec

The Holy Empire of Holy catholic state is a enormous, devout nation, remarkable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 473 million are ruled with an iron fist by the corrupt, dictatorship government, which oppresses anyone who isn't on the board of a Fortune 500 company. Large corporations tend to be above the law, and use their financial clout to gain ever-increasing government benefits at the expense of the poor and unemployed.

UN Category: Iron Fist Consumerists
Civil Rights: Outlawed
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

Location: Quebec
The Dictatorship of Deathwizard is a enormous, economically powerful nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, cynical population of 828 million are kept under strict control by the oppressive government, which measures its success by the nation's GDP and refers to individual citizens as "human resources."

UN Category: Capitalist Paradise
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Average

Location: Quebec
The Holy Empire of MediaConcentre is a enormous, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 501 million are either ruled by a small, efficient government or a conglomerate of multinational corporations; it's difficult to tell which.

UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Imploded
Political Freedoms: Few

Location: Quebec
The Rogue Nation of Labatt is a enormous, safe nation, renowned for its compulsory vegetarianism. Its compassionate, cynical population of 936 million are ruled without fear or favor by a psychotic dictator, who outlaws just about everything and refers to the populace as "my little playthings."



UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Some

Location: Quebec
The Republic of Pierrefonds is a enormous, devout nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, hard-working population of 347 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.

UN Category: Authoritarian Democracy
Civil Rights: Rare
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Below Average

Location: Quebec

The Grand Duchy of Maniacopolis is a enormous, safe nation, renowned for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed population of 614 million are prohibited from doing almost everything except voting, which they do timidly and conservatively

UN Category: Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms: Excellent

Location: Quebec

The People's Republic of Volail is a large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its compulsory military service. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 45 million enjoy extensive civil rights and enjoy a level social equality free of the usual accompanying government corruption.


UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Weak Political
Freedoms: Below Average

Location: Quebec
The Dominion of KiraMizu is a large, devout nation, remarkable for its burgeoning hedgehog population. Its compassionate population of 20 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.

UN Category: Left-Leaning College State
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Very Strong
Political Freedoms: Good

Location: Quebec
The United Socialist States of Jennifer governement is a very large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-working population of 50 million enjoy extensive civil freedoms, particularly in social issues, while business tends to be more regulated.

UN Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

Location: Quebec
The Disputed Territories of LHJMQ is a very large, economically powerful nation, renowned for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 56 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

UN Category: New York Times Democracy
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: Quebec

The Republic of Anticosti is a very large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its burgeoning castor population. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 110 million enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.

UN Category: Left-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms: Excessive

Location: Quebec

The Republic of Joliette is a enormous, environmentally stunning nation, renowned for its burgeoning perdrix population. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 563 million are free to do what they want with their own bodies, and vote for whoever they like in elections; if they go into business, however, they are regulated to within an inch of their lives.

UN Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
Civil Rights: World Benchmark
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

Location: Quebec

The People's Republic of Frostiland is a enormous, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its complete lack of prisons. Its compassionate, hard-working, intelligent population of 316 million hold their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion.

UN Category: Moralistic Democracy
Civil Rights: Rare
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Some

Location: the Pacific
The Incorporated States of Poguesville is a massive, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed population of 1.037 billion are highly moralistic and fiercely conservative, in the sense that they tend to believe most things should be outlawed. People who have good jobs and work quietly at them are lauded; others are viewed with suspicion.

UN Category: Right-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Below Average

Location: the Pacific

The Rogue Nation of Blue Fang is a enormous, safe nation, remarkable for its strong anti-business politics. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 351 million are free to succeed or fail in life on their own merits; the successful tend to enjoy an opulent (but moralistic) lifestyle, while the failures can be seen crowding out most jails.

UN Category: Liberal Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Below Average Economy: Strong Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: the Pacific

The Empire of Benchley is a enormous, devout nation, renowned for its burgeoning boxer population. Its hard-nosed, intelligent population of 428 million love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.

UN Category: Father Knows Best State
Civil Rights: Average Economy: Strong Political Freedoms: Outlawed

Location: the Pacific
The Republic of Nation State Militia is a enormous, devout nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 887 million are ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up.

UN Category: Corrupt Dictatorship
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: Basket Case
Political Freedoms: Rare

Location: the Pacific

The Borderlands of Rex Mundi is a massive, environmentally stunning nation, renowned for its absence of drug laws. Its compassionate, cynical population of 1.024 billion are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich. In their personal lives, however, citizens are relatively unoppressed; it remains to be seen whether this is because the government genuinely cares about its people, or if it hasn't gotten around to stamping out civil rights yet.

UN Category: Compulsory Consumerist State
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

Location: the Pacific
The Republic of Rabidsmiley is a enormous, devout nation, renowned for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 919 million are rabid consumers, partly through choice and partly because the government tells them to and dissenters tend to vanish from their homes at night.

UN Category: Free-Market Paradise
Civil Rights: Few
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: the Pacific
The Kingdom of Boundless Norway is a enormous, safe nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 294 million enjoy frequent elections, which are uniformly corrupted by big-spending corporations buying politicians who best suit their interests.

UN Category: Anarchy
Civil Rights: World Benchmark
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

Location: Paquin Land
The Free Republic of No Law is a small, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its strong anti-business politics. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 10 million live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.

UN Category: Capitalizt
Civil Rights: World Benchmark
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Very Good

Location: Anarchy
The Free Republic of Naj Hannah is a very large, socially progressive nation, renowned for its devotion to social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 90 million enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.

UN Category: Conservative Democracy
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Excellent

Location: Paquin Land
The United States of Bushlalaland is a small, devout nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 10 million are known throughout the region for their efficiency and work ethic, as well as their general suspicion of leisure.

UN Category: Tyranny by Majority
Civil Rights: Few
Economy: Fair
Political Freedoms: Superb

Location: Gundam zone
The Federation of Zion Duchy is a large, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its strong anti-business politics. Its hard-nosed, intelligent population of 36 million enjoy great social freedoms and frequent elections, where the majority of the populace regularly votes to increase its benefits at the expense of various hapless minorities.

UN Category: Libertarian Police State
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Good
Political Freedoms: Few

Location: Blammus
The Free Land of _Blub is a enormous, safe nation, renowned for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 519 million are proud of their wide-ranging civil freedoms, and those who aren't tend to be dragged off the streets by men in dark suits and hustled into cars with tinted windows.


UN Category: Iron Fist Socialists
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Fragile
Political Freedoms: Few

Location: Rinkies
The Sultanate of Abvalon is a large, environmentally stunning nation, notable for its devotion to social welfare. Its compassionate, cynical population of 29 million are ruled with an iron fist by the socialist government, which grants its people the freedom to do whatever they like so long as it doesn't involve getting richer than anybody else or challenging the government.

UN Category: Benevolent Dictatorship
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Very Strong
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

Location: Germany
The Kingdom of Adulthood begins at 12 is a enormous, socially progressive nation, notable for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 434 million enjoy great individual freedoms in everything except elections, which, where they exist at all, are populist shams for a dictatorship government that has no intention of ever giving up power

Okay, that was obsessive. I'm impressed I'll pull out the pertinent strings and add them to the map page.

Thanks!

Using [violet]'s nifty stats, I have color coded the nations on the map by prevalence.

Color choice was very finicky, due to the skew of the distribution, and the color ranges chosen were to best differentiate the nations while maintaining readability.

Sometime's it's neat how making a graph like this can easily demonstrate things that would take a fair amount of careful calculation to prove analytically. For example, there appears to be a strong, positive correlation between personal and political freedom and no general correlation between either and economic freedom.

How do I know this? Look at the way that the colors tend to be arranged in horizontal bands. This means that as economic freedom changes, the relative prevalence of the other two factors doesn't change that much.

But, since there ARE patterns apparent in the graph, there must be some kind of correlation going on. In this case, look at the blueish graph entries. Notice how they are arranged on opposite edges of the cube? On one edge, personal freedom is high and political freedom low. On the opposite edge, political is high and personal is low. These nations are (by far) the rarest, and that implies that not many people in the game choose for high freedom in one and low in the other. That's a positive correlation. If it was the other way around, and these nations were popular, and the other edges of the cube were rare, then it would be a negative correlation.

For those of you with real statistical experience, I apologize for the gross simplifications and the use of assumptions.

First thanks very much for putting in the effort to get these insights. Moreover I feel you have spotlighted a very interesting issue here: I would be quite excited in analysing the data collected in the game to probe people's true political preferences, as opposed to generally accepted categories or those imposed by the game's creator.

In setting up the game as an interesting challenge game Max has (albeit inadvertantly) got a stupefyingly large number of people to provide data on their political / economic preferences and choices. Cluster analysis, non-dimensional scaling or some such statistical technique should reveal the underlying dimensions or axes along which these choices have been made. While these groupings may well coincide with commonly used classifications such as left / right, libertarian / authoritarian, etc., they may also differ significantly, revealing a better way of understanding the principles governing people's behaviour in this area.

I agree, a more detailed analysis, based on the results of nation creation and decisions, would be very interesting.

However, the issues were designed to be entertaining and fun, instead of unbiased. This greatly limits their value as a survey. You'd have to do some second guessing of the slant of the questions, as well as obtain some more information about the sample population.

And how does one account for nations that exist for role-playing purposes?

Regardless, it would still be nifty.

Bias and duplication are certainly problems, but I believe that if there are a few major determinants that govern behaviour / ideas then they will underly choices that people have made even when they are acting out of character. Also cluster analyses might identify role playing.

I have this visison of the data being passed on to a social sciences graduate school and students happily mining it for ideas in class projects for years on end. :D

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I have this visison of the data being passed on to a social sciences graduate school and students happily mining it for ideas in class projects for years on end. :D

It certainly is a unique data source. Maybe we should move this discussion over to the Nationstates 2 dev board, and see if they're interested in planning for something like it? (anonymous data tabulation or something of the sort)

I can't even begin to imagine how long it must have taken to find a free market paradise. At the start I was a psychotic dictatorship for ages then I was a corrupt dictatorship for ages and then an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy for ages. I seem to have begun The Age of Moralistic Democracy recently now.

Since people seem to not know how to reach Free-Market Paradise when starting, I'll post it.

Government Style: Conservative

1. Strongly Disagree
2. Strongly Agree
3. Strongly Disagree
4. Agree
5. Strongly Agree
6. Strongly Disagree
7. Strongly Agree
8. Strongly Agree

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The one you're missing is Free-Market Paradise.
Woo-hoo!!! I don't suppose you know the name of a nation that has that type? There is a nation in The Conquerors Alliance that is a free market paradice.

I saw a nation called Cantigua that was a free market paradise though it may have changed now.

The Colony of New Aquilla
"Eagles Rule!"

UN Category: Free-Market Paradise
Civil Rights: Unheard Of Economy: Powerhouse Political Freedoms: Excellent

Location: the West Pacific
The Colony of New Aquilla is a tiny, economically powerful nation, notable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million enjoy frequent elections, which are uniformly corrupted by big-spending corporations buying politicians who best suit their interests.

The link to the map no longer works...

The link to the map no longer works...

Crap! Yep, the server seems to be down. I'll e-mail th admin.

Okay, it's up for the time being.

Woohoo!

That is so interesting.

I know this thread is old and no-one might hear my scream, but again the link to your map doesn't work and i wanna see it! :cry:

Hmm... yeah, it doesn't work.

I already said that. S/He doesn't seem to be listening

K, seems to be working again.

Yahoo! it is back up. I think that I'll save this if it is not too late.

I love that map. very helpful in changing form of government to what you'd want.

Similarly, I really want to see an Anarchy or a Corporate Police State with an imploded economy.
I realise this thread and creator died a long time ago but one of my puppets just became an Anarchy with an imploded economy. Thought I'd share.

Stella Amore (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=stella_amore)

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Time to move this puppy into the Archive!