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I was recently given an issue to consider. Human Embryonic research and support. I said, yes, go for it. It's a good idea.
According to Nationstates my country now clones humans for research.
How did that happen? Is my approval required or not?

The two areas are hardly the same thing. It isn't my understanding that embryos are self aware. Or have Nationstates met any frightened embryos?

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Check out the first three posts in the "How to Write an Issue" sticky at the top of this forum to see how unlooked-for effects get slotted into seemingly reasonable decisions.

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... try to aim for an issue which, when a recipient decides on it, leaves a lingering feeling that the wrong one has been made.

NS issue writers follow that instruction with fiendishly inventive devotion.:tongue:

Check out the first three posts in the "How to Write an Issue" sticky at the top of this forum to see how unlooked-for effects get slotted into seemingly reasonable decisions.

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NS issue writers follow that instruction with fiendishly inventive devotion.:tongue:


Whilst I applaud NS issue writers for their cunning. None has been used here.
I would say it's a simple matter of fraud.

Be clever yes... just don't be fraudulent


I thank you

Whilst I applaud NS issue writers for their cunning. None has been used here.
I would say it's a simple matter of fraud.

Be clever yes... just don't be fraudulent


I thank you

I don't think there's any fraud going on here. It sounds to me like you're talking about issue #25, Cloning Research Promises New Breakthrough, the text of which reads.
The Issue
Scientists using cloned human embryos for research are on the verge of a medical breakthrough.

The Debate
1. "It's really very exciting," says lab head @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Until now, we've kept very quiet, to avoid being targeted by lunatic fringe groups who for some reason think it's wrong to clone human embryos. It's too early to promise anything, but we hope that one day we will have genetic cures for a whole range of debilitating illnesses. I certainly hope the government will support our work."

2. "Well, if you have to be part of a lunatic fringe group to object to this barbaric practice, I'm a lunatic," says placard-waving protestor @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Of course it would be nice to cure these unnamed diseases, but at what cost? They're messing with the sanctity of human life. It's wrong, and the lab should be shut down immediately."
Now if you give them the support they want, then those scientists are going to continue to do their research on cloned humans.:eek:

I don't think there's any fraud going on here. It sounds to me like you're talking about issue #25, Cloning Research Promises New Breakthrough, the text of which reads.
Now if you give them the support they want, then those scientists are going to continue to do their research on cloned humans.:eek:

Wrong. If asked specifically about embyonic research I'm being asked specifically about embryonic research, in that the research involves embryos.
As a legal point only embryonic research has been passed. Anything outside of that involving new areas by default has not been passed and would require a new bill.

Otherwise you may as well say:
N.S. "How does the government stand on the vegitarians request that the eating of meat and fish should be banned?"

Response: I do not believe in this and we will not ban the eating of meat and fish"

N.S. Conclusion: This state allows the practice of cannibalism

If this is your method, then the whole site is ridiculous. If this site is to work intelligently then it would show people more realistic interpretations to their political viewpoints.

If it doesn't change then it's a foolishly run site and I'll say ta ta

Wrong. If asked specifically about embyonic research I'm being asked specifically about embryonic research, in that the research involves embryos.
As a legal point only embryonic research has been passed. Anything outside of that involving new areas by default has not been passed and would require a new bill. Is this the issue you got?
The Issue
Scientists using cloned human embryos for research are on the verge of a medical breakthrough.

The Debate
1. "It's really very exciting," says lab head @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Until now, we've kept very quiet, to avoid being targeted by lunatic fringe groups who for some reason think it's wrong to clone human embryos. It's too early to promise anything, but we hope that one day we will have genetic cures for a whole range of debilitating illnesses. I certainly hope the government will support our work."

2. "Well, if you have to be part of a lunatic fringe group to object to this barbaric practice, I'm a lunatic," says placard-waving protestor @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Of course it would be nice to cure these unnamed diseases, but at what cost? They're messing with the sanctity of human life. It's wrong, and the lab should be shut down immediately."If it is, then you need to actually read the issue, specifically the first sentence, "Scientists using cloned human embryos for research are on the verge of a medical breakthrough." If you pick option 1 then you obviously agree with that parctice so the scientists are going to continue to clone human embryos to do their research. There's no fraud, you just misunderstood what was being asked.

Otherwise you may as well say:
N.S. "How does the government stand on the vegitarians request that the eating of meat and fish should be banned?"

Response: I do not believe in this and we will not ban the eating of meat and fish"

N.S. Conclusion: This state allows the practice of cannibalismHmm, actually that's similar to this issue.
]The Issue
A coalition of tribalists, health experts, and civil rights proponents have recently suggested legalizing cannibalism for consumers of willing would-be meals.

The Debate
1. "I see absolutely no problem with people digging into each other at dinnertime, so long as everyone is willing," @@RANDOMNAME@@, the editor of the monthly magazine 'To Serve Man', quips, "Not only does it solve hunger problems and create jobs, but it also adds variety to @@NAME@@'s sometimes dull palette."

2. Civil rights leader @@RANDOMNAME@@ came out publicly for moderate pro-cannibalism legislation, commenting, "While it may strike some as a crude, even evil practice, our ancestors have practiced cannibalism for years. If we create a government organization to strictly regulate and grade all human meat prior to its arrival on the market, we can ensure that respect for diversity is maintained while health concerns are also allayed. And instead of killing average people, why not make being turned into snack foods a post-mortem option? Like donating your body to science!"

3. "You're all absolutely out of your minds!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of @@NAME@@'s largest health-food manufacturer. "It's immoral, it's unhealthy, and it's disgusting. Not only are these so-called 'dietary rights' activists leading us down a dark path of sin, but right into a marketplace with yet another product that's almost as bad as beef!"

If this is your method, then the whole site is ridiculous. If this site is to work intelligently then it would show people more realistic interpretations to their political viewpoints.

If it doesn't change then it's a foolishly run site and I'll say ta ta

It's not meant to be realistic, it's a satire, just like the book (Jennifer Government) that it was created to promote.

We can't force you to continue to use our site.

A new player cannot expect to come into a game in play and demand that the rules and the entire mindset of the game be changed to suit them.

If you cannot reconcile the way the game operates with the way you believe it should, we're sorry.

Is this the issue you got?
If it is, then you need to actually read the issue, specifically the first sentence, "Scientists using cloned human embryos for research are on the verge of a medical breakthrough." If you pick option 1 then you obviously agree with that parctice so the scientists are going to continue to clone human embryos to do their research. There's no fraud, you just misunderstood what was being asked.

Hmm, actually that's similar to this issue.




It's not meant to be realistic, it's a satire, just like the book (Jennifer Government) that it was created to promote.


It's true. I haven't read the book. I was introduced to this site by a friend very recently.

I have to say that if a human embryo is cloned there is no cloning of a human.
I guess the book and this site is not for me.

Thanks for trying to explain. I guess this site and I will never agree.

I remain firm in my view. This is daft. It's very poor satire.

Be well, be happy and enjoy. I actually mean that. Not being satirical nor sarcastic I promise.

We can't force you to continue to use our site.

A new player cannot expect to come into a game in play and demand that the rules and the entire mindset of the game be changed to suit them.

If you cannot reconcile the way the game operates with the way you believe it should, we're sorry.


Thanks for taking the trouble all the same.

Best wishes