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ALF (Animal Liberation Front) is a real world organisation

Brigantian Warriors
03-05-2007, 16:37
Recently I was presented with this "Discusion"

The increasingly militant Animal Liberation Front struck again last night, freeing dozens of chickens bound for delicious snack packs.
The Debate

1. "These nuts have got to be stopped," demands concerned consumer Larry Nagasawa. "They need to face the fact people want snack packs, no matter how many innocent chickens must be sacrificed. Besides, chickens would do the same to us if they had the chance."
[Accept]

2. "These Liberationists are highlighting an important issue," pleads Buy Bush. "Too often, animals are put through needless cruelty, just to make their flesh taste a little more deliciously succulent. I'm sure we could ban the more horrific abuses without putting too much of a dent in our national obesity figures. Couldn't we?"
[Accept]

3. "Animals have feelings too!" yelled protestor Jean-Paul Christmas, before being set upon by hungry passers-by. "Free the animals! Ban meat-eating!"
[Accept]

4. Economist Charles Fellow has an alternative. "You don't need to take away the people's right to choose. You just need to build the costs of animal suffering into the price. A tax on meat-eating, in proportion to the amount of cruelty involved, would do the trick. Plus think of the benefit for the national coffers! Of course, poor people wouldn't be able to afford meat, but that's just more incentive for them to get jobs."
[Accept]


As far as I am aware the ALF (Animal Liberation Front) are a real world organisation and so doesn't this "Discussion" generated by the site break the sites rules?
Melkor Unchained
03-05-2007, 17:56
Uhhh... no.

There's no provision that I'm aware of within our ruleset that prohibits us from talking about or making issues concerning real life organizations.

Besides, they're goddamn terrorists. The ALF can kiss my hairy white ass.
Brigantian Warriors
03-05-2007, 23:49
Uhhh... no.

There's no provision that I'm aware of within our ruleset that prohibits us from talking about or making issues concerning real life organizations.

Besides, they're goddamn terrorists. The ALF can kiss my hairy white ass.

And yet mention of the RIAA and the MPAA is banned who are also terrorists as far as file sharers are concerned...
The Most Glorious Hack
04-05-2007, 07:56
And yet mention of the RIAA and the MPAA is banned who are also terrorists as far as file sharers are concerned...Setting aside the fact that such statements really cheapen the word 'terrorist', there's nothing in the rules that ban mention of the RIAA or the MPAA from issues. I have no idea where you got that from.

Unless you're confusing UN Proposals with issues...
Frisbeeteria
04-05-2007, 12:36
Unless you're confusing UN Proposals with issues...

That's what this is about. Brigantian Warriors posted two(!) linked proposals about file sharing, and is now ... unhappy about their deletion.

There is a difference between creating a proposal to punish a pair of organizations that you're pissed about in real life, and reusing the name of an organization in passing (the ALF) that also happens to exist in real life. If you can't see the difference, then this game of mild political satire is probably not for you.
Free Outer Eugenia
14-05-2007, 05:11
they're goddamn terrorists. The ALF can kiss my hairy white ass.

Setting aside the fact that such statements really cheapen the word 'terrorist',
If a group that has never killed or harmed a human being, nor even threatened to do such a thing, can be called a 'terrorist group', then there can be nothing so abjectly horrifying about terrorism itself. In such a context terrorism becomes an activity that is completely distinct from serious social taboos such as murder, rape and even physical intimidation.

In such a context only the thoughtless reactionary and extremist would write anyone off as a 'godamn terrorist' without compounding the 'terrorism' with actual examples of real transgressions of human decency. In this context 'goddamn terrorist' has all the moral force of 'goddamn jaywalker.'
The Most Glorious Hack
14-05-2007, 05:32
Really not the place for this, as my feelings (and Melkor's) towards ALF is utterly irrelevent to this issue.

That was resolved roughly a week ago.