NationStates Jolt Archive


This is a toughie -- corp run prisons

Ultimate Kancho
19-06-2006, 22:49
I quote the issue with smilies. Hmm there's a profane icon. I will use it to end quote.


In response to increasing costs of running state prisons, several government advisors have suggested allowing the private sector to play a greater role in managing Ultimate Kancho's correctional facilities.
The Debate

1. "Ultimate Kancho's prisons are in a ghastly state," says Freddy Shiomi, representative for several large businesses. "The state now pays a fortune in human ears each day for every prisoner. My clients will be able to operate the prisons more efficiently and charge the state far less than they're having to pay now. With our help, those in jail will be able to get themselves jobs to do and the government can imprison as many people as they like!"
[Accept]

2. "This is just another scheme by multinational corporations to turn our great nation into a corporate dictatorship!" claims Violet Spirit, of the Social Justice League of Ultimate Kancho. "Just say NO to privatised prisons. We should be closing them all down so we can begin focusing on rehabilitation anyway!"
[Accept]

3. "Private prisons?! Rehabilitation?! How utterly ridiculous!" exclaims Max Longfellow, Ultimate Kancho's toughest police officer. "Both of these proposals will simply waste resources on the scum of society. I say that we should summarily execute all violent criminals and give their property to their victims."
[Accept]

(sorry if anyone offended by profane icon, I though it's amusing the board has it)


Okay then....

Well the thing is that I live in Phoenix, AZ and I know that Sherrif Joe Aripio (sp?) runs jails (not prisons, just jails) by giving people rotten food, starving, overcrowding, filling the place with bugs, and no A/C when it's 120F outside,etc -- but once an inspector comes by the prison cleans up the act suddenly until the inspector leaves. There's a blog about it if you want it. And this isn't corporate run, just government run.

So corporate run I don't know if it will be better or just as bad.

Option 3 is good, but I'd want more proof and summarily is vague.
Ultimate Kancho
20-06-2006, 08:00
I'm disapointed nobody can offer advice on this thread.

Also to "The Most Glorious Hack", other than it being proper to quote with quote boxes, why'd you remove the smily quotes? These smilies are pretty amusing, particularly the middle finger one. On your government, you gave them crazy civil rights, so I'm asking because I'm curious--but mostly to keep this thread going.
Flibbleites
20-06-2006, 17:38
For crying out loud, it's your nation choose whatever the hell you want.:rolleyes:
Flibbleites
21-06-2006, 05:06
Also to "The Most Glorious Hack", other than it being proper to quote with quote boxes, why'd you remove the smily quotes? These smilies are pretty amusing, particularly the middle finger one. On your government, you gave them crazy civil rights, so I'm asking because I'm curious--but mostly to keep this thread going.
I'm not going to speak for Hack but the smilie was most likely removed because it's one of the smilies that if the NS mods had their way wouldn't be on the forum. (I know I'd like to see it removed, along with the gun ones)
Ultimate Kancho
24-06-2006, 23:46
I'm asking not about moderation, but well Hack's nation is so libertarian it's complete anarchy. Now my belief is that people run their nation based on their personal ideals so I'm surprised he'd want to be picky about the smilies. Actually that style of nation building is strange for anyone who would do moderation work ***for free***. Moderators of all types from the old dial-up BBS sysops to wikipedia administrators generally like having power and they want order, but his nation is the complete opposite. So I'm curious. And it's the internet and we don't know anybody's real names, so I think it's fair to ask since it's anonymous.
The Most Glorious Hack
25-06-2006, 04:02
Now my belief is that people run their nation based on their personal ideals so I'm surprised he'd want to be picky about the smilies.That would be your mistake. My nation does not represent my personal views on how a nation should be run. My nation represents how my nation is role-played. I had a nation that I ran according to my personal beliefs but I let it die months ago.

Moderators of all types from the old dial-up BBS sysops to wikipedia administrators generally like having power and they want order, but his nation is the complete opposite. So I'm curious.I moderate this game because I want to make it better. Max graciously asked me a couple years ago and I accepted. Part of my duties involve enforcing the rules. Excessive smilies are spam and have no place here.

And here we see the problem with distance analyzing of people. Just like psychoanalyzing political leaders without actually talking to them is doomed to failure, so too is trying it with people over the internet based on something as unimportant as the stats shown by my nation.