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Political theories totally aside, (IN GAME) how do you get a government that has high civil rights and high political freedoms while at the same time having a good leftist economy?

I have heard that some people screw over the populace in order to attain a very powerful economy, then switch to unions and state-owned industries and seem to do pretty fine with all three areas. I would be O.K. with doing this if I knew that it would work in the long run.

So my question here is how (IN GAME) do you get a high economy on the left?

Don't be afraid to dismiss certain issues and subsidise industry.

But dismissing doesnt make me move anywhere..

Any other ideas?

Yea, I am currently a Capitalist Paradise with a Powerhouse Economy, and I am wondering if I were to push toward the left by that issue that nationalizes the industry, will that destroy my powerhouse economy? :confused:

Well, the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert, at time of typing a civil rights lovefest, has superb civil rights, world benchmark political freedoms, and a frightening economy that, if memory serves, is in or close to the top 0.2% of fastest growing in the world (according to the UN). Until just weeks ago (having been here for a couple of years) private enterprise was outlawed, and income tax 100% (which I assumed was an indication that we'd withdrawn currency).

Strangely, having banned it countless times over the years, clicking once to allow some small-scale private enterprise has given us a powerhouse of a private sector, which was unexpected.

Still, the descriptions/engine aren't too specific or clear. In my estimation, the private sector mentioned is simply an indication that we haven't a centrally planned economy... it doesn't really specify that we have capitalist, per se, and I assume that the small scale capitalism includes, for example, independent farmers who aren't allowed to take-on employees, and worker self management schemes that are counted as private since the only distinction is between state and non-state control, you know?

Ah, so I'm saying that the easiest way to achieve everything you want is to treat the descriptions as subjective =)

However, it is perfectly possible to have a powerful centrally-planned economy in NS by, as others said, dismissing issues that don't work in your favour (that doesn't help you directly, but it stops certain issues from hurting you: you can't do everything in a single issue), giving subsidies to industry, and, I've found, you can also go a remarkably long way just by eating your national animal! When I was new, my economy was imploded until the people started eating all the three-legged hyena cicadas, and a beef-based industry grew up. [shudder]

Yea, I am currently a Capitalist Paradise with a Powerhouse Economy, and I am wondering if I were to push toward the left by that issue that nationalizes the industry, will that destroy my powerhouse economy? :confused:

I think there's a chance of it knocking you down a few ranks, but once you've done it, just wait for the right issues to come along and massive subsidies will soon get you back on track. A major economic change like that is bound to hurt at first, but if you're prepared to wait it out and not panic, you'll recover lost ground.

Political theories totally aside, (IN GAME) how do you get a government that has high civil rights and high political freedoms while at the same time having a good leftist economy?

I have heard that some people screw over the populace in order to attain a very powerful economy, then switch to unions and state-owned industries and seem to do pretty fine with all three areas. I would be O.K. with doing this if I knew that it would work in the long run.

So my question here is how (IN GAME) do you get a high economy on the left?

The same way you do on the right, support business and a free market. There are issues which allow you to do it without screwing over your civil and political freedoms... speaking as a Civil Rights Lovefest nation with a Frightening economy... as well as the controller of three of the top ten most pro market nations in the world as of the last listing... all of which have admirable civil rights and political freedoms rankings.

Yes, I'm gloating.

The Supreme Court nomination issue and the "Reclaim the Streets" issue are two that come to mind.

Edit: Actualy, on second thought I believe the Supreme Court issue will give your political freedoms ranking a small hit if you choose the pro-business option... but meh...

Thank you all greatly for your posts. It has helped alot and calmed my nerves a little. :D Hope that your advice brings me to where I want to be. And if anyone else has any other comments or ideas please feel free to post them. :D

But dismissing doesnt make me move anywhere..

Any other ideas?

Just dismiss issues with no clear benefit, and choose those that subsidise industry, is what I meant. :)

I find the best way to maintain my ratings (Excellent Civil Rights, Frightening Economy, World Benchmark Political Freedoms - Dropped one after an issue yesterday) is to dismiss any issues that I think might lower the economy. Yes, it may be a bit cheap, but I like the nation the way it is, which is why I have puppets whom I force to answer every single issue to see how a nation I ran would actually turn out.

Basically, when I got revived, I had a Frightening economy and high rights, and since then I have dismissed any issues where my precedent choice would damage the economy, according to something anyone says. Whether it's putting fat-cats out of office, losing jobs, allowing/not allowing unions, whatever. If somebody says it might damage the economy, I dismiss it. Issues with no reference to the economy in any way, I answer as well as I can, usually with reference to improving either category of rights. This has turned me into a Civil Rights lovefest with a Frightening economy. When last I was here, I was the only Scandinavian Liberal Paradise I knew of with a Frightening economy.

Using this strategy you can basically amke yourself whatever you want rights-wise, and make your economy as good as can be. Yes, I ended up much more capitalist than I may have wanted, with 34% of my GDP dedicated to Commerce, but I was like that when it got loaded up, and after I legalized small-scale capitalism.

Just dismiss issues with no clear benefit, and choose those that subsidise industry, is what I meant. :)

Ahh, thank you for clarifying.

@Haraki

Thank you for your post, it is very helpful.

Anyone else with any other thoughts or insights, I still welcome new information.

Once again, thank you all.

Political theories totally aside, (IN GAME) how do you get a government that has high civil rights and high political freedoms while at the same time having a good leftist economy?It's a juggling act, but pretty much any combination is possible as your UN Category is factored based on several variables, not just the few you can see. My nation has been holding steady at its current setting (World Benchmark/Frightening/World Benchmark; 0% taxes; Anarchy) for quite some time now. Actually, I had CR up to Excessive, but an IC decision (mandating school uniforms) knocked me back down to World Benchmark.

However, at this point, I dismiss a lot of issues, but most of this is because they don't fit the character of my nation, as opposed to the affect they'll have on my nation.

As to how to do it? Well, it's not really that difficult. The game doesn't operate on the thought that you can either have CR or Econ. If you see an issue where it looks like you'll have to sacrifice workers' rights for the economy (or vice verse), go ahead and dismiss it. There's plenty of issues that allow you to increase one without hurting the other.

Now, keep in mind that, chances are, something will be decreased. The Uranium Deposits issue won't alter your CR at all. Your environment, on the other hand...

While the issue results may be more extreme than you expect, we do try to at least give you a hint with what the people on the options say.