NationStates Jolt Archive

Tell me what you guys think, this is a first draft.

Workers Occupy Workplaces

Unions have called a general strike and workplaces across @@NAME@@ are being occupied in a frenzied bid to collectivize them.

[option]"Enough is enough" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a young striker, as he raises the red flag, "We're the ones who do the work around here, and they're the ones who get the money. Well we don't need them, we can vote and run it all together, without those piggies in the suits". You strain to hear his last words, mumbled as though unimportant, "besides, the work hours will be pretty much whenever we feel like it."
[effect]capitalism has given way to workers voting on every aspect of their workplace
[stats]government size increases, economy increases, economic freedoms decrease, happiness increases

[option]"They want WHAT?" screams @@RANDOMNAME@@, respected figure and all-around business mogul. "You can't possibly be considering such lunacy. Without owners and bosses, none of this would exist. The beauty of the invisible hand of the markets is that it pushes the best ideas forwards, and rewards those who take intelligent risks and survive. Take away that process and reward, and you get crazy ideas coming to the fore... like workers voting. No, the only thing the government needs to worry about is ensuring the police fines these trespassers, and arrests the crazy ones. Any more attention than that only encourages them."
[effect]the country has exploded in violent protests and strikes demanding an end to Capitalism
[stats]economic freedoms increase, economy decreases

[option]"All this rabble-rousing is dangerous" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a lowly desk-clerk who seems to enjoy pretending to be an adviser of yours. "It's clear that the business world is unable to cope with their subordinates properly. In a time of crisis such as this it falls upon those chosen by history, like you and me of course, to take the lead and bring back the glorious days of @@NAME@@. A time when 'strike' was a codeword for 'suicide' and the only 'good ideas' bosses were worried about was how best to serve @@NAME@@... and avoid getting shot."
[effect]a military junta has seized control and ruthlessly crushed striking workers
[stats]political freedoms decrease, civil rights decrease, economy increases, taxes decrease, happiness decreases, military spending increases

I don't know if it's really different enough from some other issues that already exist. There's already one issue with workers striking demanding a wage increase and I think there's another issue also where you have the option of seizing control of all businesses. Also I don't think there is any such stat called economic freedom, it would simply be civil rights.

But I really don't understand the consequences either.

Option 1: Workers vote on how to run their businesses.

Why would this increase the government size if the workers are the ones doing it? And why would the economy run better without any controls in place, especially after the line about them working whatever hours they want. And like I said I don't think there is economic freedom but assuming it's civil rights, these should actually increase since they are deciding on their own without someone telling them what to do. The happiness one makes sense at least in the short-term.

Option 2: I'm not even sure what this option is, basically you try and put down the protests and fail I suppose. If that's the case then I would say crime should rise, happiness decreases, economy decreases, there wouldn't be any benefits to this at all. There needs to be some indication that you've done something and this doesn't seem to indicate that the government has done anything.

Option 3: Military Seizes Control

I don't really think this one would fall under political freedoms and I don't see why taxes would decrease either if you're basically enforcing martial law throughout the workplace, increased military spending should if anything indicate more taxes or simply no change.

Option 1: Well, the reason I had the first one increase your economy, is recently, looking at things like Firefox and the like, it's been pretty efficient using collective development/production.

Anyways, you're right that the first one increasing government size makes no sense. But I need a negative effect for the first one, I don't wanna have to make that negative economy. I think it's pretty cheesy taking the easy way out and being like "yeah, left=low economy", but I don't know what else to think of.

Also, I read specificly that economic freedoms was a variable, and somewhere that you can have low economic freedoms and have a strong economy.

You're right that the last line should reflect whatever negative effect it is, rather than what I have now.

Option 2: This was more of a try to balance the two, without really changing much, which is a failed response to such an extreme situation. You're right that it should be purely negative. And more so.

Option 3: This one is basically what I consider Fascism to be, the extreme response in situations were capitalism is threatened by workers rising up, basically consolidating the upper class and eliminating those elements of it that can't be consolidated, and crushing the lower class with an iron fist.

You're right that taxes should either not be effected or rise, but I believe that I'm right in putting political freedoms as well as civil rights as decreasing. This is basically to the extent of say Augusto Pinochet in Chile would be. This is not just a put down of the strikes, this is a smashing of all opposition, mass arrests of workers, etc...

Maybe I should make that more clear, and make the effect clarify that it's not just business as usual.

As for it being not different enough, to me it's very different. It's one thing to have high social programs and taxes, or nationalize industry and own it yourself, and quite a different thing to give industry directly to workers.

It's also one thing to have striking workers, and another to have workers seizing property and pretty much brewing revolution.

Here's the second draft though, tell me if it's better. I still dislike how the first one is, I need to find something for it.

[option]"Enough is enough" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a young striker, as he raises the red flag, "We're the ones who do the work around here, and they're the ones who get the money. Well we don't need them, we can vote and run it all together, without those piggies in the suits". You strain to hear his last words, mumbled as though unimportant, "if they don't like that, maybe they shouldn't have gotten into business in the first place."
[effect]capitalism has given way to workers voting on every aspect of their workplace
[stats]economy increases, social freedoms increase, economic freedoms decrease, happiness increases, social equality spending increases, commerce spending decreases

[option]"They want WHAT?" screams @@RANDOMNAME@@, respected figure and all-around business mogul. "You can't possibly be considering such lunacy. Without owners and bosses, none of this would exist. The beauty of the invisible hand of the markets is that it pushes the best ideas forwards, and rewards those who take intelligent risks and survive. Take away that process and reward, and you get crazy ideas coming to the fore... like workers voting. No, the only thing the government needs to worry about is ensuring the police fines these trespassers, and arrests the crazy ones. Any more attention than that only encourages them."
[effect]the country has exploded in violent protests and strikes demanding an end to Capitalism
[stats]economy decreases, crime increases, happiness decreases

[option]"All this rabble-rousing is dangerous" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a lowly desk-clerk who seems to enjoy pretending to be an adviser of yours. "It's clear that the business world is unable to cope with their subordinates properly. In a time of crisis such as this it falls upon those chosen by history, like you and me of course, to take the lead and bring back the glorious days of @@NAME@@. A time when 'strike' was a codeword for 'suicide' and the only 'good ideas' bosses were worried about was how best to serve @@NAME@@... and avoid getting shot."
[effect]a military junta has seized control to crush striking workers and opposition forces
[stats]political freedoms decrease, civil rights decrease, economy increases, economic freedom increases, happiness decreases, military spending increases, law and order spending increases, social equality spending decreases

Anyone?

I find such a issue very interesting - i think it should be a issue - and it could be proxity point or a challenge for nations.
Plus - the second draft is better as well.

If people could work whatever hours they wanted, wouldn't that cause problems with jobs that must have people working on them at all times, such as factory (many factories take several hours to turn on and off) and emergency room workers?

feedoms decide what UN catagory you are. It isn't usual but you can have a socialist nation with a good economy.
Also, I like it too exept the workers getting to work whenever they want to sgould increase civil rights, not the economy.

Keep it the way it is

if you like it then its fine if you dont then change it