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Military Budgets Up For Approval?

Steel Butterfly
21-12-2004, 16:35
Steel Butterfly Decides:
Military Budgets Up For Approval

The Issue
The various branches of Steel Butterfly's military brought their budget petitions to your attention and, as usual, they are all asking for widespread increases over the rest of the military departments.

The Debate
"Clearly the army requires the greatest increase in funds this year," says Field Marshal Stephanie Jefferson. "After all, wars were never won by air or sea and in this dangerous world we must be able to protect the interests of Steel Butterfly. Currently our men get hand-me-down weapons, rations I wouldn't feed a pig - the army is increasingly looking like a bad career option and we can't have that. If we're going to get recruits, we need more funding to support our brave lads in their duty."
[Accept]

"Hah! It's the Navy who needs the money, mate," says Grand Admiral Freddy Wall. "The army and the police forces can protect us domestically, but can they protect us from having our foreign trade cut off? Can they protect us from terrorists and pirates? How are the soldiers going to get to the enemy's borders? Swim? I think not. Fund us, the Navy, the true protectors of Steel Butterfly!"
[Accept]

"Despite the statements of my colleagues," says May Silk, Marshal of the Air Force. "The Air Force requires more money than these men playing around with boats. We are increasingly seeing terrorists taking to the air, and more ships or guns are not going to stop that. Our people will only be safe when the Air Force has the power it needs to defend us - and for that we need more funding and more government support for industries geared towards the development of new aircraft."
[Accept]

"You're all thinking too small!" exclaims Calvin Hanover, an avid Star Wars fan. "What we need is more research into the possibilities of space weapons! Big laser cannon and satellites with complete annihilation power! And cool spaceships! Boom! Rat-a-tata! Bang! Bang! It'll be expensive, sure, but think of the power! THE POWER!"
[Accept]

"It's simply not good enough!" wails Larry Shiomi, the Minister of Defence. "It's not about the money - it's the manpower. Not enough people by far are signing up! All we seem to be getting nowadays are drunks and people who volunteered for a dare. The current conscription laws need to be either more strictly enforced or drastically rewritten. What I propose is a universal draft: everyone capable of pulling a trigger should become a part of the Army, Navy or Air Force. Only in this way can we ensure the dominance of Steel Butterfly in the region."
[Accept]

"The military is a stain on the peace-loving nature of our nation!" cries Johann Mistletoe, while sporting a Rastifarian hat. "People should be allowed to choose what they do for a living! Conscription is wrong and I don't see why our tax Imperial Credits should go to such a despicable cause! The money should be going to more important places - like our pockets!"
[Accept]

What are the effects of selecting each option? It seems that the first three, perhaps even the first four, would have the same outcome on stats simply stated differently in the nation description. Obviously the fifth would raise the military stats, and the sixth is the peace-loving option that either lowers taxes or moves the budget money elsewhere. (or at least that's what it seems to do.)
Green israel
21-12-2004, 17:41
I think the effect in the stats could be as same, but you missed whole the idea.
the porpuse of the issue is to make you decide, and that what the issue do.
also, as I konw there is no "military stats" but their is some calucators and RP.
so if you choose the navy you could say in RP that you attack from the see.
but I never check the options in the RP combats, and I always choose the last option.
Steel Butterfly
21-12-2004, 19:29
I think the effect in the stats could be as same, but you missed whole the idea.
the porpuse of the issue is to make you decide, and that what the issue do.
also, as I konw there is no "military stats" but their is some calucators and RP.
so if you choose the navy you could say in RP that you attack from the see.
but I never check the options in the RP combats, and I always choose the last option.

Regardless, each issue you chose effects your nation in some form. Raising taxes raises your taxes, etc. I was wondering what the effects of this issue were, from someone who helped code it.
Green israel
21-12-2004, 20:05
Regardless, each issue you chose effects your nation in some form. Raising taxes raises your taxes, etc. I was wondering what the effects of this issue were, from someone who helped code it.
increase the defence budget, but maybe not as same.
Sirocco
21-12-2004, 21:59
I'm not giving anything away in regard to the effects of this issue, but I can assure you that there are different results (some subtle) for each option.
Jjuulliiaann
21-12-2004, 23:04
Here: (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345941) #147: Military Budgets Up For Approval [Greater philadelphia; ed:Sirocco]

The Issue
The various branches of @@NAME@@'s military brought their budget petitions to your attention and, as usual, they are all asking for widespread increases over the rest of the military departments.

The Debate
1. "Clearly the army requires the greatest increase in funds this year," says Field Marshal @@RANDOMNAME@@. "After all, wars were never won by air or sea and in this dangerous world we must be able to protect the interests of @@NAME@@. Currently our men get hand-me-down weapons, rations I wouldn't feed a pig - the army is increasingly looking like a bad career option and we can't have that. If we're going to get recruits, we need more funding to support our brave lads in their duty."

2. "Hah! It's the Navy who needs the money, mate," says Grand Admiral @@RANDOMNAME@@. "The army and the police forces can protect us domestically, but can they protect us from having our foreign trade cut off? Can they protect us from terrorists and pirates? How are the soldiers going to get to the enemy's borders? Swim? I think not. Fund us, the Navy, the true protectors of @@NAME@@!"

3. "Despite the statements of my colleagues," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, Marshal of the Air Force. "The Air Force requires more money than these men playing around with boats. We are increasingly seeing terrorists taking to the air, and more ships or guns are not going to stop that. Our people will only be safe when the Air Force has the power it needs to defend us - and for that we need more funding and more government support for industries geared towards the development of new aircraft."

4. "You're all thinking too small!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, an avid Star Wars fan. "What we need is more research into the possibilities of space weapons! Big laser cannon and satellites with complete annihilation power! And cool spaceships! Boom! Rat-a-tata! Bang! Bang! It'll be expensive, sure, but think of the power! THE POWER!"

5. "It's simply not good enough!" wails @@RANDOMNAME@@, the Minister of Defence. "It's not about the money - it's the manpower. Not enough people by far are signing up! All we seem to be getting nowadays are drunks and people who volunteered for a dare. The current conscription laws need to be either more strictly enforced or drastically rewritten. What I propose is a universal draft: everyone capable of pulling a trigger should become a part of the Army, Navy or Air Force. Only in this way can we ensure the dominance of @@NAME@@ in the region."

6. "The military is a stain on the peace-loving nature of our nation!" cries @@RANDOMNAME@@, while sporting a Rastifarian hat. "People should be allowed to choose what they do for a living! Conscription is wrong and I don't see why our tax guilders should go to such a despicable cause! The money should be going to more important places - like our pockets!"
I know it's not that much help, but at least it tells you the variables, and that could help you.
This is exactly how it would have looked when Greater Philadelphia was submitting it (less the "EFFECT:" and "STATS:" lines), as opposed to in the original, which was how it looked when Steel Butterfly was answering it.
Tomzilla
22-12-2004, 03:46
The Air Force option helped me the most.
Steel Butterfly
22-12-2004, 16:21
increase the defence budget, but maybe not as same.

yes....I gathered that...
Steel Butterfly
22-12-2004, 16:22
I'm not giving anything away in regard to the effects of this issue, but I can assure you that there are different results (some subtle) for each option.

lol...well aren't we no fun at all today?
Steel Butterfly
22-12-2004, 16:22
The Air Force option helped me the most.

In what way?
Tomzilla
22-12-2004, 20:21
In what way?

My economy went from strong to frieghtening.
Laidir
04-01-2005, 06:00
Of course I chose Air Force (Check my flag if you don't understand why). I haven't yet seen the effect this issue has on my nation's description. Would it be giving too much away to tell me what the effects (in the description) are?