NationStates Jolt Archive

I received the issue where the members of the police force come to you and ask for surveilance in public places. (If I remeber correctly) 1 offers that nothing be done, 1 asks for cameras on the streets, and 1 asked to make a database and ID cards to track people.

I chose option 3 for my nation. The next day my civil rights and political freedom ranking droped like a rock. Although I no longer have any measurable crime, this is not realistic in any way.

Would someone please explain to me why a database would limit your political freedoms and Civil rights so severley? Since the systems intent is to only prosecute criminals, I could care less if they loose rights, and the NS system should not (opinion) take criminal activities into acount when it comes to a nations fredoms below good. Though I do understand that allowing criminals to have an easy time at things would add to the ranking...

Would a responsible person (Mod, etc...) please tell me why you think the pummeling I got in my stats is anywhere reasonable for this issues response?

I beleive that it should be corrected by watering down a bit (No more then one rank drop), though I will live with the consequences. I would hate to see others get slaped with the punishment of a choice similar to mine, when it seems so overpowerful.

Thanks,
Dhulus

I'm pretty sure young nations take bigger hits from issues than more established nations. By the same token, you can recover faster too. As they have stated in the past that they don't edit effects (unless they cause an actual game problem or bug), your best bet is to make mitigating choices in future.

I have a nation where I had that choice and mine didn't drop at all.

You must have been like a new nation when it happened. Like the guy above said new nations get affected more severely.

The option you chose reads:3. "This 'slippery slope' argument has got me thinking," says Police Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@. "You know, it would be a lot easier to fight crime if we watched people all the time. Not with cameras, of course. That's clearly an invasion of privacy. But how about a national database of our citizens, coupled with compulsory ID cards and barcoding? It would stop crime dead in its tracks."

It's textual effect is: citizens are barcoded to keep track of their movements

Ballotonia

I'm pretty sure young nations take bigger hits from issues than more established nations. By the same token, you can recover faster too. As they have stated in the past that they don't edit effects (unless they cause an actual game problem or bug), your best bet is to make mitigating choices in future.

This isn't true. Large differences between nation type and issue option type will result in more drastic changes. If your nation is a socially libertarian state, then civil rights will drop like a rock if you chose option 3 in that issue. If your nation is already socially conservative, the change would be more subtle.

Yes. Sadly though, in reading that option, you don't get the impression that they are barcoding people... but that they are barcoding. I could only extrapolate that they were bar coding the cards. Barcoding people is pretty extreme, and using common sense, should be be a little more pronounced in the description.

If it clearly said they are barcoding people I would have had a clue what as coming down the 'freedom plummet' pike. But too late now. I was just hoping that others would understand my concern and posibly take a second look at it.

I am not complaining about my (now understood) 1984 country, just would feel really guilty if I did not try to point it out in the hopes that another person doesn't make the same mistake as I.