NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, I'm starting to get tired of the lame "issues" on NS. I RP on the forums a lot, but sometimes I just like to check the issues. Okay, c'mon: Karate will make kids happy and active. Lets legalize it. But for some reason it needs TAX MONEY. What the heck? Or maybe, we could take it farther! CONSCRIPT KIDS INTO THE ARMY! Oh joybells! Or maybe we could have it be illegal. Y'know what I did?

I dismissed it. Here's why: If I say "Oh, lets let it be legal" my tax rate goes up to some obsurd number and in my country description that NS makes, decided by the options on issues, it'll say that these violent kids are rampant. If I say let's make it illegal, then it'll say the whole countries children are weaklings.

Heres another: Diver discover gold at the bottom of a GOVERNMENT OWNED LAKE. Okay people, since when do governments say it's illegal to dive in a lake. And they discovered.. Gold?! Whooa! Usually you find in friggin' MOUNTAINS.

Laslty, every choice extremely effects everything. Example: My income tax rate used to be 83%. I, through careful work, got it down to 40%! I make ONE WRONG MOVE and it shoot's back up.

I want some real issues, not where if I fund my highway system for a quick repair, it says that the roads are clogged from construction and people are rreeeeaallly sad about it.

I think the issues are good enough now, but try submitting some of your own if you aren't

Okay, I'm starting to get tired of the lame "issues" on NS. I RP on the forums a lot, but sometimes I just like to check the issues. Okay, c'mon: Karate will make kids happy and active. Lets legalize it. But for some reason it needs TAX MONEY. What the heck? Or maybe, we could take it farther! CONSCRIPT KIDS INTO THE ARMY! Oh joybells! Or maybe we could have it be illegal. Y'know what I did?
The question is about creating an after school program, not legalising karate.

Heres another: Diver discover gold at the bottom of a GOVERNMENT OWNED LAKE. Okay people, since when do governments say it's illegal to dive in a lake. And they discovered.. Gold?! Whooa! Usually you find in friggin' MOUNTAINS.
Again, its not about legality, its about whether you respect property rights over finders rights, or choose the environment above both.

Finally, read the FAQ:

I don't agree with any of the options on this issue!
Dismiss it, then. This is the equivalent of ignoring an issue until people stop talking about it and there's not so much pressure to do something. If you were a real government, you'd do this all the time, of course, but in NationStates it's more interesting if you respond to issues by actually making decisions.

Why is my nation so weird?
Everything is exaggerated a little. Well, okay, a lot. Your decisions affect your nation very strongly, so your country might seem like a more extreme version of what you were aiming for. Unless you have radical politics. In which case you probably think nothing's wrong.

My decision had unintended consequences!
Yep, that'll happen. For one thing, see "Why is my nation so weird?" above. For another, pretty much every decision you make will involve a trade-off of some kind. It's kind of an exercise in choosing the best of a bunch of bad options. You might find this frustrating, especially if you're the kind of person who thinks the solutions to all the world's problems are obvious

Ugh, more premade responses. Dismissing only makes the question popup later (Really. I dismissed the "When Cardinals (My national animal) attack!" 2 times and it popped up again. I've been around enough to know those FAQ like answers for a while

Then turn off issues :P

Ugh, more premade responses. Dismissing only makes the question popup later (Really. I dismissed the "When Cardinals (My national animal) attack!" 2 times and it popped up again. I've been around enough to know those FAQ like answers for a while
You get premade responses cos the responses exist premade. Why? Because people are always asking your questions

Wow, explosive chicken seems pretty popular! But I digress,

In real life, the government isn't asked if it can create a friggin' after school program! That's soemthing for a city/town governemnt to consider. Does the congress discuss the topics of how Billy should spend his after school time? Unless it affects the whole nation, no because it's just plain silly.

The game is called "Nation States". Technically, a nation-state was an ancient Greek city that ruled some of the area surrounding it's city walls. Athens was a nation-state. Sparta was a nation-state. Troy was a nation-state.

My point is, by nature, a nation-state is essentially a city with an entirely autonomous nationally-recognized government. In ancient Greece, Athens was a nation-state. Greece was it's region.

-Jon

The Republic of Tessen
Region of Aldea

Wow, explosive chicken seems pretty popular! But I digress,

In real life, the government isn't asked if it can create a friggin' after school program! That's soemthing for a city/town governemnt to consider. Does the congress discuss the topics of how Billy should spend his after school time? Unless it affects the whole nation, no because it's just plain silly.

You seem really eager to bitch and moan but not so eager to do anything about it. Why don't you, instead of whining about how the issues suck, sit down and spend a couple of hours writing some good issues that you'd like to see?

I think you forget one thing,

ITS A FREAKING GAME

and a free one at that, if your gonna bitch to everyone at least pay them

Sdaerjii, I'm taking your suggestion into mind. I'll work some up on the way over to Saint Louis!

Mattemis: I know it's a freaking game. But some freaking games nned to make freaking sense.

Mattemis: I know it's a freaking game. But some freaking games nned to make freaking sense.
Not when they're designed to sell a book that describes a political system that is essentially nonsensical ...

overall, this is the best online game i've come across, but it could of course improve:
Ok, so my country went from "Civil Rights Lovefest" to "Anarchy" back to the original within the course of one issue about cemetary problems. At least it went back, i spose.
Maybe there should be an option to have a parodied nation or a realistic one with respective issues.

while i too would like this what i find is that it isn't so much the issues that are a problem, all kinds of things do
come up and have to be faced in the management of anything in real life, including 'rediculous' ones.
what i find problematical is that many if not most issues often have logical, constructive and sustainable answers
that are all too often simply not offered among the
available options AT ALL.
some are easily dismissed as nonapplicable to an existing situation as perceived by that nation's player. but many
are not. and this IS annoying.
a tremendous improvement, were it possible, would be for players to be able to add and choose THEIR OWN 'essey'
solutions. of course i realize why this might be impractical on the face of it. at least as far as calculating effects in the context of 'the game'.
but i'm not sure.
if we can't trust ourselves and each other not to unreasonably 'cheat' were such an option available what's the point at all?
in single combat in the s.c.a. it is up to combatants in the list to rollplay the scale of the injuries they believe
themselves likely to have received from a particular blow.
(and to fight on until victorious or defeated with the handicapping that injury would have resaulted in)
unlike the lists of course it would be impossible to have mods monitor every nation's response to every issue.
but still it seems there ought to be some way.

perhapse what we have is adiquite for what most people come here for. i don't know.

and i know a lot of people find a certain gratifcation in
finding grievances in and of themselves.

i know there are plenty of other places to rollplay combat
so i don't understand why people come here for that or
expect and insist that be what this place be all about

i think the biggest underlying weakness though is the
pressumed infallability of the circular logic of the
dynamics of little green pieces of paper and their roll
in every aspect of collective social existence.

and that this somehow supperceeds the even more basic
reality of all life's dependence, including that of our own
species, on the interdependence of all life and upon
its natural cycles of renewal

=^^=
.../\...

all kinds of things, exceptional cases, come before governments. If they put some pressure on exceptional events, these events can change the country greatly. A small court case could set precident for isntance. ENcouraging councils to take up a karate program will make the councils take it up. You'd be surprised how pervasive govenrment has to be.

You seem really eager to bitch and moan but not so eager to do anything about it. Why don't you, instead of whining about how the issues suck, sit down and spend a couple of hours writing some good issues that you'd like to see?

To be fair though, I've seen a number of good real-life inspired issues come through this forum since Feb. and I've yet to see one of them make it into the current queue of 150~ daily issues.

There are people submitting issues. Good ones too. But their issues aren't getting choosen to be added to the game.

While I'm not trying to suggest that there is a plot or bias here, I am saying that the suggestion to the mods for more real-life inspired issues to be added to the mix isn't something coming from Right Field.

10kMichael

I think one of the problems is that stupid submitted UN Resolutions are visible for all the world to see, while stupid submitted issues are only visible to the poor person who has to go through the backlog of issues.

I only submitted one issue, but that was before I knew that there was supposed to be a minimum population limit so I assumed my idea probably wound up in the /dev/null directory. I think you can find a lot of interesting issues in the "Oddly Enough" sections of newspapers.

Explosive Chicken all the way, man.