NationStates Jolt Archive


Political Freedoms

Dyelli Beybi
30-07-2004, 02:23
I've noticed recently that while civil rights are relatively easy to move up and down and you can definantely drop political freedoms, it is very very hard to raise them. I've only been able to locate 2 issues which allow you to improve democratic freedoms. Am I correct in assuming this?
If this is the case, surely it's time someone started writing some issues to make improving political freedoms easier.
Novvs Atlantis
30-07-2004, 05:03
Ditto.

The issue regarding a scandal between a government worker and some woman reduced my political freedoms when I gave the citizens a tax break to... how do you say?... Fuhget about it.

Needless to say, that is yet another issue to the dismiss list. Outcomes like that just bug me so much that I want to rip someone's liver out and feast upon it like cold turkey!
Dyelli Beybi
30-07-2004, 11:41
I agree.

BUMP just so more people read this one. I'm hoping this might cause some people to get an idea to write an issue to increase democratic freedoms.
Good Neighbour
30-07-2004, 12:04
I have actually tried to think about something for this, but it is diffucult to come up with something...
Maybe IT IS easier to drop political freedom then to raise it even in Real life?!?

keep on thinking...
Clownopola
30-07-2004, 21:40
It seems like the times you get political freedoms related issues are when your nation is either a dictatorship or already have high fredoms. Can't somebody think of an issue for those nations (like mine) that are in kind of a grey area? I'm trying but I can't come up with any reasonable ideas.
Unfree People
30-07-2004, 21:52
It seems like the times you get political freedoms related issues are when your nation is either a dictatorship or already have high fredoms. Can't somebody think of an issue for those nations (like mine) that are in kind of a grey area? I'm trying but I can't come up with any reasonable ideas.
There are plenty... generally anything pertaining to free speech or voting will raise PFs, and there're a few of those issues floating around.

It's the hardest thing to raise, but it's definitely not impossible. You just have to dismiss a lot of issues that don't raise them.
Clownopola
30-07-2004, 21:57
I always go for the options that promote free speech, and it seems to only affect my civil rights. My nation now has tons of civil rights, but PF has stayed consistently at "some" since I had i population of about 200 million. Not that ita such a bad thing, but it seems kind of inconsistent.
Dyelli Beybi
31-07-2004, 12:15
It shouldn't be too hard. You could have stuff about legalising somwhat dubious political parties, forcing political parties to declare who their major backers are etc etc.
Doomduckistan
31-07-2004, 19:20
I've noticed that too. I'm trying to hover around "Rare" for my PolFree, and even at my level there's almost no +PolFree issues, so it's a tight balancing act to keep in line...
Temme
01-08-2004, 04:38
Ok, here's a few.

For the supreme court issue, select the very last one, the one where the people choose the judges.

For the Nazi issue, pick the second one.

For the "Free speech has gone too far" one, pick the second one.
Novvs Atlantis
01-08-2004, 04:49
There is also an issue about having IQ tests for voters. The last option is the one that will raise your political freedoms as it will let even the stupidest of your citizens vote.
Plumbers Union
01-08-2004, 11:41
The choice to limit the time for a bill in the filibuster issue raises political freedoms as well I believe.
Dyelli Beybi
01-08-2004, 11:41
I never get those issues.
imported_Blab
03-08-2004, 01:53
If you let your cits keep their @@currency@@ in the Diving for @@Currency@@ issue it raises your PF's by two (don't ask me why).

Opt. 1 on Death Penalty on the Agenda will raise PF.

Opt. 3 on Orbital Armageddon raises PF.
Temme
03-08-2004, 04:13
And in "Should Democracy be Compulsory?" allow voluntary voting.
Dyelli Beybi
03-08-2004, 10:53
hrrm. I'll have to keep an eye out for those.
Doomduckistan
04-08-2004, 11:42
For the "Traffic Cop on the Internet Superhighway", I'm almost a hundred percent sure Option 3 will also raise Political Freedom levels, too.
imported_Blab
05-08-2004, 01:22
For the "Traffic Cop on the Internet Superhighway", I'm almost a hundred percent sure Option 3 will also raise Political Freedom levels, too.

When I picked that option all it did was raise my taxes by 2% and make my government larger.
Eta Carinae
05-08-2004, 06:39
The choice to limit the time for a bill in the filibuster issue raises political freedoms as well I believe.

No it doesn't. In my other nation, Impending Damnation, I choose that option and my political freedoms fell from 'Corrupted' to 'Widely Abused'. Allowing filibustering raises your political freedoms. EDIT: That is, if your political freedoms are 'Widely Abused' or below. If it's 'Corrupted', allowing filibustering decreases your political freedoms.

I noticed that the nations with the highest civil rights and/or political freedoms are inactive nations that haven't submitted issues since the day they were created.

Raising your political freedoms to the highest level is much harder than dropping them to the lowest level. It took me over a year for Impending Damnation's political freedoms to rise to 'Corrupted'.
Dyelli Beybi
05-08-2004, 12:08
I think this illustrates my point ;) We need someone to write political freedom raising issues.

Heck, I joined the UN to try to raise mine and a fat lot of good that did.
Sarzonia
05-08-2004, 17:11
I think this illustrates my point ;) We need someone to write political freedom raising issues.

Heck, I joined the UN to try to raise mine and a fat lot of good that did.

I'm finding much the same problem. My main country has dropped to "Below Average" on PF. I haven't looked at my puppet (Antonos) in a short while.

The UN is pretty much worthless as an RP tool IMO.
Dyelli Beybi
05-08-2004, 23:49
I'm supposed to be a democracy but I'm stuck on rare political freedoms. It's dreadful.
Nefashu
11-08-2004, 04:56
Heh, any way to Un-outlaw political freedoms? I've got an idea to do this, where do I submit it?
Temme
11-08-2004, 04:58
You mean an issue suggestion? You can submit it through the main issue page. There should be a link for you to follow where you can submit the issue.
Lagrange 4
03-01-2005, 11:27
Opt. 1 on Death Penalty on the Agenda will raise PF.


This is seriously twisted, IMO -- I'll grant more political freedoms by killing my own people?
It's amazing that this issue ever made it through the editing process. I hope that banning the death penalty at least increases my civil rights rating. Because if it doesn't, something's seriously wrong.
Chessieland
03-01-2005, 20:46
I'll have five hundred million people fairly soon. You can bet that I will be submitting issues that make it easeir to lower taxes and raise political freedom, even though mine is pretty good at the moment.
Palauu
04-01-2005, 07:03
This is seriously twisted, IMO -- I'll grant more political freedoms by killing my own people? The issue reads,"Following a tragioc double murder, capital punishment has surged as an election issue. . .
1. 'This is a democracy, remember?' rhetorically questions Professor @@RANDOMNAME@@ of the University of Greater @@NAME@@. 'That means if the people want something, the people get it. I hate to say it, but in the name of politica freedom, we need to accept that our country will have the death penalty.'"

In other words, your citizens voted to institute the death penalty. I suspect that it lowers civil rights but not in a noticeable way.
Lagrange 4
04-01-2005, 09:16
The majority have wanted all sorts of horrible things throughout history, and I think that supporting the minority's opinions in some cases increases political freedoms. There's a UN category, IIRC, called Dictatorship by Majority, where this sort of "majority rule" thinking is distorted to an extreme. It should hardly be an ideal.
imported_Blab
05-01-2005, 02:43
The majority have wanted all sorts of horrible things throughout history, and I think that supporting the minority's opinions in some cases increases political freedoms.Yes. But no one has ever claimed that the issues in NS mirror RL. In fact, they're deliberately coded to result in extremes and unexpected effects.