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"Frankly, I'm appalled that the government can even consider allowing this travesty to go ahead," says prominent Jewish banker Jazz Steele. "We can't let these animals broadcast their message of hate. Surely Greater San Francisco is too civilized for that."

While this is an interesting and valid daily issue, it's very stereotypical to have the Jew be a banker. As a Jew, I find this mildly offensive, especially since there are remarkably few "prominent Jewish bankers" in modern politics.

Everything in this game is stereotyped. Wiccans get stereotyped. Christians get stereotyped. Basically, if you exist, you're going to be stereotyped eventually. :p

Here's a partial list of all the people who are painted in a "bad light" by the issues:


civil rights activists, politicians, religious people, environmentalists, car drivers, company executives, animal liberationists, meat eaters, nudists, military figures, gun lovers, gun haters, trade unionists, dictators, workers, stoners, left wingers, NRA members, libertarians, policemen, scientists, anti geneering campaigners, doctors, polygamists, smokers, non-smokers, Trekkies, teachers, Southerners, musicians, sports fans, gimps, streakers, artists, poets, aristocrats, pro corporal punishment activists, anti corporal punishment activists, transexuals, seccessionists, speakers of less used languages, obese people, rappers, cannibals...

I'd say it's pretty universal.

Here's a partial list of all the people who are painted in a "bad light" by the issues:


civil rights activists, politicians, religious people, environmentalists, car drivers, company executives, animal liberationists, meat eaters, nudists, military figures, gun lovers, gun haters, trade unionists, dictators, workers, stoners, left wingers, NRA members, libertarians, policemen, scientists, anti geneering campaigners, doctors, polygamists, smokers, non-smokers, Trekkies, teachers, Southerners, musicians, sports fans, gimps, streakers, artists, poets, aristocrats, pro corporal punishment activists, anti corporal punishment activists, transexuals, seccessionists, speakers of less used languages, obese people, rappers, cannibals...

I'd say it's pretty universal.


Which thread was that?

It would be interesting to read it

Which thread was that?


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121173

Everything should be written in a fun, stereotyped fashion. You shouldn't take this seriously. Let's not be politically correct for one time, I'm sick of political correctness. Just have fun, stereotype me, stereotype you, stereotype my neighbor and let's write an issue about how a long-haired, LSD taking hippie wants to make marijuana compulsory because it's good for peace.

I admit that stereotyping is common (and quite humorous) in NationStates. However, what bothers me is the casual nature of the stereotyping in a daily issue which comments directly on racism and anti-Semitism. Does anyone think that making the Jew a banker actually made the issue particularly funnier?

It doesn't really matter what career he has, British people in films almost always have stupid accents but it doesn't offend me, I can't see it's offensive at all.

While British jokes in American movies may be in bad tates, the difference between stereotyping Jews and British is significant--the British weren't almost completely exterminated by an anti-Anglo regime 60 years ago, and the British as an ethnicity are rarely singled out as the enemy by terrorists and political extremist groups. Anti-Semetism is on the rise in Europe, and though I admit that I might be acting overly sensitive, I think certain types of stereotyping, especially without really adding to the humor of the game, are more offensive than others.

This game is satire, everything (even stereotypes) is exagerated.

The first option for this issue is:

"Frankly, I'm appalled that the government can even consider allowing this travesty to go ahead," says prominent Jewish banker Jazz Steele. "We can't let these animals broadcast their message of hate. Surely Greater San Francisco is too civilized for that."

While this is an interesting and valid daily issue, it's very stereotypical to have the Jew be a banker. As a Jew, I find this mildly offensive, especially since there are remarkably few "prominent Jewish bankers" in modern politics.

I don't see why you should be offended. A banker is not a low or dishonorable job. I wish I could be stereotyped with such a job... rather than as a laundry washer.

This is the most stupidest thing I have ever read. :P

This is the most stupidest thing I have ever read. :P

Then there really isn't a reason for you to respond, is there?

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This is the most stupidest thing I have ever read. :P

Then there really isn't a reason for you to respond, is there?

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I was just letting everyone know how I felt about this.

While British jokes in American movies may be in bad tates, the difference between stereotyping Jews and British is significant--the British weren't almost completely exterminated by an anti-Anglo regime 60 years ago, and the British as an ethnicity are rarely singled out as the enemy by terrorists and political extremist groups. Anti-Semetism is on the rise in Europe, and though I admit that I might be acting overly sensitive, I think certain types of stereotyping, especially without really adding to the humor of the game, are more offensive than others.

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Ahem...blitz? IRA?

I think the Jewish person doesn't need to be a banker (hell, why not just put "the Jewish community" or something), but obviously jews would be particularly outraged by it.

Hey, I'm a vegetarian, think how I felt when I saw that issue about meat-eating. Set upon by hungry protesters? Huh?

Well, I'll tell you how I felt: I thought that it was mildly amusing, and didn't take it personally. That's what you should do. I, personally, never even noticed that he was a banker.

the British weren't almost completely exterminated by an anti-Anglo regime 60 years ago, and the British as an ethnicity are rarely singled out as the enemy by terrorists and political extremist groups. Oh you really are stupid. Have you ever heard of the IRA? If you had grown up in London you'd understand. Get over yourself, this is a game and you are just being offensive, ignorant and ridiculously over-sensitive.

the British weren't almost completely exterminated by an anti-Anglo regime 60 years ago, and the British as an ethnicity are rarely singled out as the enemy by terrorists and political extremist groups. Oh you really are stupid. Have you ever heard of the IRA? If you had grown up in London you'd understand. Get over yourself, this is a game and you are just being offensive, ignorant and ridiculously over-sensitive.

The International Reading Association?

While British jokes in American movies may be in bad tates, the difference between stereotyping Jews and British is significant--the British weren't almost completely exterminated by an anti-Anglo regime 60 years ago, and the British as an ethnicity are rarely singled out as the enemy by terrorists and political extremist groups. Anti-Semetism is on the rise in Europe, and though I admit that I might be acting overly sensitive, I think certain types of stereotyping, especially without really adding to the humor of the game, are more offensive than others.


I know this is an intellectually lazy response, but, dude, GET OVER IT. I think the Christers have more of a reason to be offended by some of the issues than a jewish person does, but either way, it's a joke!

Anarchists get stereotyped terribly in one of the issues.


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Whoa! I'm glad he's on our side!

Anarchists get stereotyped terribly in one of the issues.

As pointed out previously, that issue stereotypes arsonists, not anarchists.

Actually I thought about that issue's banker, too. Coming from a partly jewish family, I couldn't fail to notice it. However, I really don't mind it that much. Some things are really not worth getting worked up over - a statement that also applies to you people who mock the thread author.

My personal thought on the whole matter is that practically anything to do with judaism can potentially be considered anti-semitic. I can respect their beliefs and their religion. But I just fail to understand the whole concept of "Us against the rest of the world" ideology. To me, it seems that a jewish person would lash out if a word was spoken against them or their religious beliefs. And knowing personally how persecution feels, I wonder whether it is them lashing out against being persecuted, or becoming the persecutor themselves? But that's my two cents.

Sigh. As already mentioned, all political/religious positions in the issues are exaggerated and sterotyped in a light-hearted fashion in the interests of good humour. There will always be individuals that will object, and pretty much every issue has been attacked by one camp or another at some time. However, virtually all players are satisfied that the style of the issues is consistent, fair, and not intended to offend anyone. As with all such cases, this is a joke, and amusement is not guaranteed.

As pointed out previously, that issue stereotypes arsonists, not anarchists.

It said he was an anarchist. They were talking about anarchists and portraying them as insane terrorists. I'm sure you'd complain if republicans were depicted that way in an issue. The issue is extremely inaccurate and shows a major ignorance about what anarchism is.


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Jewish banker does verge on bad taste, but at least it wasn't a peddler, pawnshop owner or worried jewish mother.

Actually...I think banker is a bit more charged due to numerous antisemetic accusations that jews control world finance.....

Maybe jewish mother shoulda been better.

As pointed out previously, that issue stereotypes arsonists, not anarchists.

It said he was an anarchist. They were talking about anarchists and portraying them as insane terrorists. I'm sure you'd complain if republicans were depicted that way in an issue. The issue is extremely inaccurate and shows a major ignorance about what anarchism is.


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Hey, Letila, there's a whole 'nother thread on that topic. I'm not part of this particular one, but I'm sure the others who would rather be talking about this particular thread's issue would prefer you not hijacking it.

Hey, Letila, there's a whole 'nother thread on that topic. I'm not part of this particular one, but I'm sure the others who would rather be talking about this particular thread's issue would prefer you not hijacking it.

We started arguing over whether the word "anarchist" ment what anarchists said it does or if it was stolen by them.


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As pointed out previously, that issue stereotypes arsonists, not anarchists.

It said he was an anarchist. They were talking about anarchists and portraying them as insane terrorists. I'm sure you'd complain if republicans were depicted that way in an issue. The issue is extremely inaccurate and shows a major ignorance about what anarchism is.

Wrong. The issue states the petitioner is an 'Anarchist and arsonist.' It states no connection between the two, neither does it imply that all anarchists are arsonists. Would you argue that describing someone as a builder and a murderer implied all builders are murderers?

And two further points; not everyone who disagrees with you lives in America or is a republican. Stereotypes, eh?

I'm a bit surprised how many responses this post has gotten despite the fact half the people have exactly the same thing to say. I guess I ought to apologize for forgetting about IRA--it hasn't recieved much press in the United States in recent years, but that really isn't an excuse for what might be termed willful ignorance (as for the Blitz, I don't think it really compares to the Holocaust as an act of genocide). Anyways, I do kinda like the idea of a "prominent worried Jewish mother" replacing the Jewish banker in the issue--it's not that I mind stereotyping, but certain stereotypes I see as more nefarious than others.

Exactly. The stereotype of jews as overly worried, nagging and smothering mothers has never been used in antisemetic propaganda....althought it would be almost funny to see it.

"the international zionist jewish conspiracy wants all our mothers to make sure we're dressed warm enough, beacuse it's cold out there and we could catch pneumonia and don't give me that face beacuse it happened to that neighbor boy!"

Anyways. Banker has, and is a much more damaging and "serious" stereotype.

It's a game. If you don't like it, you can ask for your money back and - oh wait. Basically we're playing under Max's rules here, and his game. There are worse stereotypes than this. Where are the vegans and animal-lovers complaining about how they were stereotyped as terrorists? Where are the rappers complaining about how they are stereotyped as greedy attackers of freedom? Where is Bill Gates complaining about how he was stereotyped as a monopolist bent on destroying his competition? Just because you're a Jew doesn't mean you're the only one persecuted in the whole world you know. Hm... what about an issue stereotyping gypsies?