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"" "Burning should be allowed for everything! Down with the pig cops and their repressive regime!" says known well known anarchist and arsonist Falala King, from the comfy and non-flamable confines of a prison cell. "Burn! Burn burn burn! Everything! Kyahahaha!" ""

Jesus F*cking Christ... the brilliant mind behind this issue and the obviously overworked mod who edited it don't seem to know exactly what an Anarchist is...

So you haven't noticed that every viewpoint in every issue is exaggerated?

Gee, if you haven't learned that by now, you must be somewhat... what's the word... I need a little help here... (LOL)

"" "Burning should be allowed for everything! Down with the pig cops and their repressive regime!" says known well known anarchist and arsonist Falala King, from the comfy and non-flamable confines of a prison cell. "Burn! Burn burn burn! Everything! Kyahahaha!" ""

Jesus F*cking Christ... the brilliant mind behind this issue and the obviously overworked mod who edited it don't seem to know exactly what an Anarchist is...


But that is unrealistic anarchist don't burn things, :?

So you haven't noticed that every viewpoint in every issue is exaggerated? It is as much 'exageration' to characterize anarchists thus as it is to characterize Jews as greasy hook-nosed usurers who drink the blood of christian babies in their satanic rituals. A popular prejudice born of ignorance and Church/state lies old enough to have become 'common sense' in the minds of those who study history superficially at best is not the same thing as an 'exageration' of the truth.

It is funny how the issue that adressesof a perspective Nazi rally does not put any idiotic rants into their mouths, but rather focuses on public opinion about them.

If this game is going to paint a negetive portrait of Anarchism it should at least use something based on the real world like that attentat nonsense that some 19th century and early 20th century Anarchists subscribed to.

It is as much 'exageration' to characterize anarchists thus as it is to characterize Jews as greasy hook-nosed usurers who drink the blood of christian babies in their satanic rituals.

Pfft! You're seriously suggesting that a joking stereotype of anarchists is similar to one of Jews that's designed to incite hatred? Did it escape your notice that the 'anarchist' in the issue is also apparently clinically insane? Ooo, the possible harm that could come to clinically insane anarchists because of this...

A popular prejudice born of ignorance and Church/state lies old enough to have become 'common sense' in the minds of those who study history superficially at best is not the same thing as an 'exageration' of the truth.

The portrayals of religious people as lunatics, military personnel as trigger-happy nutcases and business managers as evil-minded greedy bastards are better?

It is funny how the issue that adressesof a perspective Nazi rally does not put any idiotic rants into their mouths, but rather focuses on public opinion about them.

No, actually it isn't. The issue is an extreme example of freedom of speech; there's no reason why one of the marchers would be petitioning the government in that situation.

If this game is going to paint a negetive portrait of Anarchism it should at least use something based on the real world like that attentat nonsense that some 19th century and early 20th century Anarchists subscribed to.

Huh? You seriously think it's better if it's based on reality rather than obviously being ridiculous? In addition, who says anyone's interested in painting a negative portrait of anarchism? There's a world of difference between joking about a stereotype and 'painting a negative portrait.'

It is as much 'exageration' to characterize anarchists thus as it is to characterize Jews as greasy hook-nosed usurers who drink the blood of christian babies in their satanic rituals.

Pfft! You're seriously suggesting that a joking stereotype of anarchists is similar to one of Jews that's designed to incite hatred? Both characterizations have historically been used to rile up irrational terror of the 'other' in simmiler ways. In the early years of the 20th century, the inflated bogey of the 'swarthy bomb-throwing anarchist' was used by the US government to perpetrate wide-ranging repressions. Anti-semites have also vieled their hateful ignorance as 'humor.'

One might note, however, that repression of anarchists in modern society is rather lacking. Or that 'wide-ranging repressions' don't exactly equate to Jewish stereotypes being used to justify extermination of them. It's simply not a valid comparison.

Heh... well, you do have a Molatov Cocktail on your flag...

One might note, however, that repression of anarchists in modern society is rather lacking. Or that 'wide-ranging repressions' don't exactly equate to Jewish stereotypes being used to justify extermination of them. It's simply not a valid comparison.The form that these repressions took and the racial/ anti-imigrant prejudices that they were partially based on do in fact make the commparisson valid. IWW activists organizers and workers were murdered and tourtured by the state. The current repressions against the government's political opponents by no means excludes liberterian socialists.

Heh... well, you do have a Molatov Cocktail on your flag... There's a white dove too :wink:

Besides, a Molotov cocktail is not nearly as destructive as an entire star, and the American flag has 50 0f those.[/quote]

One might note, however, that repression of anarchists in modern society is rather lacking. Or that 'wide-ranging repressions' don't exactly equate to Jewish stereotypes being used to justify extermination of them. It's simply not a valid comparison.The form that these repressions took and the racial/ anti-imigrant prejudices that they were partially based on do in fact make the commparisson valid. IWW activists organizers and workers were murdered and tourtured by the state.

Comparing the murder of dozens to the slaughter of millions by Hitler and Stalin? The comparision you're giving is a textbook example of an appeal to pity; in addition, you seem to have no problems with the capitalist stereotypes used to jusify exterminations in Soviet Russia, Communist China or Cambodia. Or Christian stereotypes used to justify torture and execution of Christians by the Roman Empire.

Why is that?

The current repressions against the government's political opponents by no means excludes liberterian socialists.

'Current repressions?' Who's silencing you? What rights are you being denied? And who are 'the government?'

And what does that have to do with what's being discussed?

]Heh... well, you do have a Molatov Cocktail on your flag... There's a white dove too :wink:

Besides, a Molotov cocktail is not nearly as destructive as an entire star, and the American flag has 50 0f those.

Appeal to ridicule; it's a valid point to ask why you can mock the anarchist stereotype but nobody else can.

Those people don't know anything about anarchism and they are spreading a bad stereotype. They should have done some research on anarchism before they made this issue. While anarchists haven't been slaughtered in massive numbers, that doesn't make the stereotype any less wrong. What if we stereotyped all supporters of government as freedom-hating uptight right wingers?

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Those people don't know anything about anarchism and they are spreading a bad stereotype. They should have done some research on anarchism before they made this issue. While anarchists haven't been slaughtered in massive numbers, that doesn't make the stereotype any less wrong.

Err...As pointed out, there are far worse stereotypes in existing issues.

What if we stereotyped all supporters of government as freedom-hating uptight right wingers?

Who says people don't?

The issue is not how bad the stereotype is compared to others. It's an offensive stereotype towards a misunderstood political ideology.

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The issue is not how bad the stereotype is compared to others. It's an offensive stereotype towards a misunderstood political ideology.

Wrong, that's exactly what the issue is. Why is it that the site can get away with stereotyping civil rights activists, politicians, religious people, environmentalists, car drivers, company executives, animal liberationists, meat eaters, nudists, military figures, gun lovers, gun haters, trade unionists, dictators, workers, stoners, left wingers, NRA members, libertarians, policemen, scientists, anti geneering campaigners, doctors, polygamists, smokers, non-smokers, Trekkies, teachers, Southerners, musicians, sports fans, gimps, streakers, artists, poets, aristocrats, pro corporal punishment activists, anti corporal punishment activists, transexuals, seccessionists, speakers of less used languages, obese people, rappers, cannibals...

But not anarchists? Why? What's so sacred about them?

Oh, and ISSUE 17: CORPORATIONS DEMAND POLITICAL SAY

2. "You say political freedom, I hear vote-buying," says popular anarchist @@RANDOMNAME@@. "If these fat cats get their way, politicians will buy their own seat in Congress. And let's face it, a slick advertising campaign can convince a lot of apathetic voters. We need to tighten the laws, not repeal them. Money should have no place in politics!"

Wow, how negative that one is...

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"" "Burning should be allowed for everything! Down with the pig cops and their repressive regime!" says known well known anarchist and arsonist Falala King, from the comfy and non-flamable confines of a prison cell. "Burn! Burn burn burn! Everything! Kyahahaha!" ""

Am I the only one to have noticed that the issue states "anarchist and arsonist"? It treats being an anarchist and being an arsonist as two separate things. Is there anywhere in the issue where it attempts to conflate the two descriptions? No, I can't see where it does.

This is just an issue to add interest and humor to your nation. Some of us like funny issues. If some of you guys don't like it, just delete it. You don't have to spaz.

Exactly. You have the option to "dismiss" it ya psycho :P

Am I the only one to have noticed that the issue states "anarchist and arsonist"? It treats being an anarchist and being an arsonist as two separate things. Is there anywhere in the issue where it attempts to conflate the two descriptions? No, I can't see where it does.

It still protrays us as arsonists.

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Am I the only one to have noticed that the issue states "anarchist and arsonist"? It treats being an anarchist and being an arsonist as two separate things. Is there anywhere in the issue where it attempts to conflate the two descriptions? No, I can't see where it does.

It still protrays us as arsonists.
Letila, when are you going to recognize that there is more than one definiton for anarchist? This fits fully into one of the several descriptions. The Anarchist movement doesn't own the word or even the concept. Your continued harping on this has become more than a little tiresome.

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Letila, when are you going to recognize that there is more than one definiton for anarchist? This fits fully into one of the several descriptions. The Anarchist movement doesn't own the word or even the concept. Your continued harping on this has become more than a little tiresome.

We coined the word, we should decide what it means. The "anarchist" in the issue doesn't resemble anything in real life.

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We coined the word
By your claims, the Anarchist movement goes back on the order of 160 years. According to the OED:anarchy - 1539, from M.L. anarchia, from Gk. anarkhia "lack of a leader," noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" + arkhos "leader." Anarchist (1678) got a boost into modernity from the French Revolution. Anarcho-syndicalism is first recorded 1913. You personally didn't have anything to do with coining the word, and neither did the Anarchist movement. It came from the Greeks. Get your facts straight, Letila.

What should we be called, then? Left-libertarians? Libertarian communists?

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What should we be called, then? Left-libertarians? Libertarian communists?
I don't have to agree with your definition of Anarchism, and I don't even care that you call yourselves Anarchists. I object to your constant demands that no one else can use the word in any of the other perfectly valid definitions.

I'm much more interested in etymology than anarchy, and you're abusing the word. That's the part that's tiresome.

It's just a game... :roll:

That doesn't change the fact that they are portraying us badly.

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That doesn't change the fact that they are portraying us badly.
And that part has been most thoroughly discussed elsewhere in this topic. Unless you have a pathological need to get the last word in every topic, why don't you just drop it.

*sigh* This topic looks eeriely famliar. Further discussion of what any of these words mean belongs in General, and I will thank you not to bring it here.

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