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I got this issue today

Spoffin Decides:
Compulsory Gun Ownership?

The Issue
This weekend, a citizen's group calling itself Gun Owners of Spoffin has petitioned Congress with a controversial bill making gun ownership compulsory.

The Debate
"This is a very important step to securing the rights and lives of our families and controlling the government," urges noted gun ownership proponent Naki Wu. "Not only would it significantly decrease crime, but it would also effectively stop government tyranny in its tracks. Of course, this also means that every wacko and their cousin will have a gun, but don't worry, you'll have a gun to defend yourself from them, so it will all work out."
[Accept]


"While the Gun Owners of Spoffin have the safety and security of our people in mind, it would simply be impractical to enforce," comments Police Chief George W. Silk. "A better option would be to legalize, and encourage use of, concealed carry laws, which would allow responsible citizens to keep firearms with them at all times, on their person, to kill any wacko or their cousin who they think is threatening them."
[Accept]


"Compulsory gun ownership?! Concealed carry?! Are these fools nuts?!" rants an enraged Million Mummy March activist. "We don't need any of these things! What we need is complete gun registration, so that the government can track down dangerous people, like those people who possess unregistered weapons."
[Accept]




Interesting enough, but... well, I've banned guns now several times. Its either compulsory gun ownership, conceal and carry laws or forced registration, and as I don't allow guns anyway, this seems a little invalid. Also, in the first option it says that the measure would "reduce crime", but in Spoffin "Crime is totally unknown".

The issues fine, I just really don't think I should have got it.

When I wrote this issue, I intended it to be used in countries without gun prohibition. I'm thinking the reason you may have gotten it is your high civil/political freedom, but I'm not really sure.

If you fully ban guns, then you will not receive the issue. However, that is the only way not to receive it.

I've had guns banned for a long time now... and I still get the issue.

You are not recorded as having made that decision.

Hmmm... how is the response calculated? I've had the issue countless times, and my responses have varied.
Does it use the modal response or just use the last response you gave?

Most recent.

Further note:

It seems that if you pick the lesser banning (allowing the police to have guns) you'll still receive this issue. I think you need to do the total ban to avoid getting this issue any more.

I was in the 200's in the world for Highest Police Ratios, and when I picked the option to make gun ownership compulsory, my crime rate went from "totally unknown" to "a serious problem" overnight!

Historically speaking, I've only allowed the police and military access to firearms; the first time I decide to lax off about it by totally going the other direction, this is how I get rewarded? Preposterous. It'll take a month, at least, before it's back to where it was... the last time this happened was when I elected to utilize the option to institiue a full lockdown and curfew after the NS millennium issue, and I only got my crime rate back down to zero three weeks ago! Injustice!

I was wondering about that. My crime rate's been "crippling" for so long now that it feels like it's always been that way.

Ahh well, passive eugenics.

Anyone know what the concealed carry option does? I picked it for a couple puppets today, so if you guys don't know yet I'll post my findings here tomorrow.

Most recent.

Ah, well that explains a lot then. Thanks.

OK, here's puppet one before...

Civil Rights: Good
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Good

Crime is a major problem

And after...
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Good

Crime is a major problem.

No effect on crime an an increace in civil rights when using concealed carry. Allrighty then, let's look at my other puppet and see what happened to them!

Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Few

Crime is relatively low

Now that we've seen before, let's look at the non-faked, photoshop free and completely genuine after picture!

Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Few

Crime is well under control

No effect on Civil Rights, but crime rate dropped(at least I think that's a drop. It sounds like it should be one). So the net effect is a small increace in civil rights and a small decrease in crime when you choose concealed carry.

Anyone else got some data to add to what we know about this issue?

That sounds like an increase to me. I just had an issue that increased my crime, and it went from "crime is totally unknown" to "crime is relatively low". So unless my crime rate really jumped a lot, "relatively low" would be the next one up from "totally unknown".

Really? I'll try concealed carry again(puppet #2 just got it again, and it's crime rate is "totally unknown" in the wake of abolishing copyright laws, so any change'll indicate an increace).

Right, blatent bump here, though I have a question to to ask. Do the concealed carry or compulsory gun onwership set any perminant flags or not, and if not, could they be changed to do so(bouncing some ideas for new issues around my skull at the moment, but they're dependant on the citizens carrying guns)?

Note, the second time I chose the "concealed carry" option on my puppet, it didn't take effect(I think it's cuz the effects were still in the spotlight & I'd chosen the same option). I'll try again though as soon as I can and let you know what I find.

That sounds like an increase to me. I just had an issue that increased my crime, and it went from "crime is totally unknown" to "crime is relatively low". So unless my crime rate really jumped a lot, "relatively low" would be the next one up from "totally unknown".

"Relatively low" is two steps above "totally unknown", so yes, your crime rate did jump fairly fast.

I just got the damn issue _again_. This one's getting dismissed indefinately; I don't even want to know what the hell the other options do if option 1 sent my crime rate from "totally unknown" to "a serious problem" overnight. I said it before, and I'll say it again. LUDICROUS.

I don't think this issue was responsible for that...

How can you tell :?:

Well... let's just say that from what I've seen of the code, I don't believe his crime problem is due to his selection on this issue.

So... either it's from another issue and he's misattributing it, or I'm remembering incorrectly.

There is a city in georgia that has made handgun ownership compulsory.

There population increases every year.

There hasn't been a rape or murder there since the mid 80's