NationStates Jolt Archive

Quite a while ago, we submitted this issue, and have not had a responce since, so it must have been rejected. We were hoping that helpful forum-goers could provide some suggestions as to how the issue could be improved, or any other feedback at all. Then we could re-submit the improved issue and hope it makes it into the game.

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Family time or Government time?

Ever searching for ways to better humanity, a group of philosophers scattered across @@NAME@@'s larger universities is questioning the role of the family as the cornerstone of our society.

Not valid for nations with a devout population

[option] "I know it may seem like a big change, but most really important improvements in society are," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a well-known intellectual writer. "If children are raised by carefully selected teachers in government facilities from birth, they will be more emotionally stable, better educated, and more devoted to the good of @@NAME@@. Besides, it will take us a step closer to perfect meritocracy, since the children of rich, powerful families won't have an unfair advantage in life. Remember that social convention is the only reason why we see the family as at all important! We can do without it."
[effect] the family is being phased out as all young citizens are raised in government institutions from birth
[stats] civil rights decrease, crime greatly drops, population becomes intelligent, government greatly grows in size, taxes increase by 5%

[option] "The family has always been the most important part of our society, and the most important part of our childhood, and we should not change that," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, leader of the Family People for Familiar Families lobby group. "Without our families, we'd all grow up emotionally cold and distant. Besides, it is through the family that you learn of your culture... unique families give our society unique individuals! Sure, it means that if your father is a corporate CEO and your mother is a federal minister, you can do anything you want and get away with it no matter how low your IQ and how few your virtues... but the simple truth is that by giving up the family, we'd be giving up too great a part of who we are."
[effect] the family is seen as the cornerstone of society
[stats] civil rights increase, population becomes devout

[option] "Like, dude, who says we need families OR the government to push us around," asks a man known only as 'Beat,' a member of a local hippie activist group. "If we all just learn to care about each other, then, like, children will be safe with perfect strangers just as much as with their parents. We'll be like one big family, everyone playing a role in raising every child to be sensitive and kind and, like, dude! All you need is love! Peace, man!"
[effect] peace and love spread across the lands
[stats] civil rights increase, government size decreases, crime runs rampant

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So, what does everyone think?

The issue back log is pretty bad. They are still coding ones from the summer.

~Bas

Ooh. That bad. So sorry. Yes, we submitted it several months ago, but not quite THAT far back. Well, nonetheless, feedback from everyone would be great, and very appreciated! Thank you!

Bump for feedback.

Cool 8) but i think on the third one econamy should go down.

It's good and the grammar is right which is always a good thing :D

Yay! Positive feedback! Thanks!

Cool 8) but i think on the third one econamy should go down.

That sort of makes sense... but we didn't really think this would be an economy-affecting issue... We can't really imagine a nation of hippies running a frightening economy either, but we don't think there's really any logical reason why that couldn't happen. Why'd you think it should lower the economy, Drangonsile?

There needs to be some kind of downside to option two. Both its effects are good things, so there'd be no reason not to choose it. You did say in the description that if your parents are important rich people, "you can do anything you want and get away with it no matter how low your IQ and how few your virtues". Maybe the population should become less intelligent while crime goes up slightly?

Not all players would consider their population becoming devout to be a good thing! But we agree, a slight increase in the crime rate and a less intelligent population would make sense.

Hi... I'm the player who used to run the Planetian Empire (and the Advanced Mollusks), only I stopped playing the game for a few months and my nation was deleted. So now I'm starting over with something completely different (and I won't refer to myself as 'we' anymore, though that was fun for a while). Anyhow, I re-submitted this issue, which might not work because my population is low and I just found out it has to be 500 million. But I didn't get an error message or nothin'... Gah. Well, whether it works or not, here's the new version, incorporating some of the suggestions above and shortening it all a bit: Feedback more than welcome.

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Family Time or Government Time?

Ever searching for ways to better humanity, a band of philosophers scattered across @@NAME@@'s larger universities is questioning the role of the family in society.

Valid for any nation

[option]"If children were raised by carefully selected teachers in government facilities from birth, they would be emotionally stable, better educated, and more fully devoted to the good of @@NAME@@,” argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a well-known intellectual writer. “Besides, it will take us a step closer to perfect meritocracy, since the children of rich, powerful families won't have an unfair advantage in life. Remember that social convention is the only reason why we see the family as at all important! We can do without it."
[effect] the family is being phased out as all children are raised by the government from birth
[stats] political freedoms greatly decrease, civil rights increase, education funding greatly increases, government size increases

[option]"The family is too important a part of who we all are to just toss away," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, leader of the Family People for Familiar Families lobby group. "Without our families, we'd all grow up emotionally cold and distant, and we’d all act and think the same way! Sure, with families being given such pre-eminence, you could get away with just about anything as long as your father is a CEO and your mother is a government minister... but the simple truth is that families were a really huge part of society in the past, so they must be good."
[effect] the family is seen as the cornerstone of society
[stats] political freedoms increase, civil rights decrease, government corruption increases greatly, education funding drops

[option]"Like, dude, who says we need families OR the government to push us around?" asks a man known only as 'Beat,' a member of a local hippie activist group. "If we all just learn to care about each other, then, like, children will be just as safe with complete strangers as they are with their parents. We'll be like one big family, everyone playing a role in raising every child to be sensitive and kind and, like, dude! All you need is love! Peace, man!"
[effect] peace and love spread across the lands
[stats] civil rights increase, government size decreases, crime runs rampant, economy shrinks

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