NationStates Jolt Archive


Problematic Patriotism

19-12-2003, 18:00
Name: Problematic Patrotism
Description:During a recent international soccer game, several @@NAME@@ supporters attacked the foreign visiters. This has stirred up a fierce debate if @@NAME@@'s patriotism is too fierce.

[option]"These people was obviously just trying to defend our country's pride," says Minister of Internal Affairs @@RANDOMNAME@@. "If these foreigners support another team than ours, that's their problem. But the way they show it, wearing coloured shirts, hats and banners, that's just provokative. No one should be allowed to support foreign teams.
[effect]supporting foreign teams is illegal
[stats]patriotism increases a lot, civil rights decreases, crime decreases slightly.

[option]"Whooe, you!" bellowes a massive @@NAME@@ supporter, all clad in @@NAME@@'s colours and a big @@ANIMAL@@-shaped hat. " Them foreigners shouldn't be protected by our laws! If I wan't to beat them, well, that's my decision! I'm intelli... intleg...smart enough to decide who deserves a real good smashing... I mean, they're like...you know...not like us!
[effect]patriotic supporters are allowed to beat up everyony who's not wearing @@NAME@@-coloured clothes
[stats]Patriotism increases a lot, crime increases, civil rights increases slightly, rude citizens increases

[option]"This debate is just so silly," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, author of the book "Face it-we're worthless". "We aren't better than anybody else, in my opinion, we're worse. Did the foreigners beat anybody up? No. I say that supporting teams is a threat to our relations with these countries, so it should be outlawed. Maybe."
[effect]citizens think that their land is the worst in @@REGION@@
[stats]Patriotism decreases a lot, crime decreases, happiness decreases, civil rights decreases, social equality increaes a lot

Suggestions, improvements, etc. is welcome.
Letila
19-12-2003, 18:18
A good issue. I'm surprised it hasn't been thought up already.

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Wolomy
19-12-2003, 20:17
Yay another ape doesn't understand civil rights.

High civil rights mean you have the right to do what you want as long as you do not infringe on the rights of someone else.

Legalising beating up foreigners infringes on the rights of foreigners and therefore your civil rights rating should decrease with option 2.

Option 3 is totally useless, you have no acceptable anti patriotism option, therefore you only really represent one side of the debate, therefore your issue is bad. Please try re-writing it, get rid of the banning supporting soccer teams / we are the worst nation crap and it would be better.

Also since I do not think there is a rating for patriotism you may wish to consider the patriotic options increasing military size since patriotism is often exploited in order to justify militarism.
The Basenji
19-12-2003, 20:21
Besenjie, teh 1337 sp3eling and gremm4r chex0r gos intwo atack m0de! Ooh Nos!! :o

Name: Problematic Patriotism
Description: During a recent international soccer game, several @@NAME@@ supporters attacked the foreign visitors. This has stirred up a fierce debate if @@NAME@@'s patriotism is too fierce.

[option]"These people was obviously just trying to defend our country's pride," says Minister of Internal Affairs @@RANDOMNAME@@. "If these foreigners support another team than ours, that's their problem. But the way they show it, wearing coloured shirts, hats and banners, that's just provocative. No one should be allowed to support foreign teams.
[effect]supporting foreign teams is illegal
[stats]patriotism increases a lot, civil rights decreases, crime decreases slightly.

[option]"Whooe, you!" bellows a massive @@NAME@@ supporter, all clad in @@NAME@@'s colours and a big @@ANIMAL@@-shaped hat. " Them foreigners shouldn't be protected by our laws! If I want to beat them, well, that's my decision! I'm intelli... intleg...smart enough to decide who deserves a real good smashing... I mean, they're like...you know...not like us!
[effect]patriotic supporters are allowed to beat up everyone who's not wearing @@NAME@@-coloured clothes
[stats]Patriotism increases a lot, crime increases, civil rights increases slightly, rude citizens increases

[option]"This debate is just so silly," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, author of the book "Face it-we're worthless". "We aren't better than anybody else, in my opinion, we're worse. Did the foreigners beat anybody up? No. I say that supporting teams is a threat to our relations with these countries, so it should be outlawed. Maybe."
[effect]citizens think that their land is the worst in @@REGION@@
[stats]Patriotism decreases a lot, crime decreases, happiness decreases, civil rights decreases, social equality increases a lot

Very nice issues. I like it a lot.
Emperor Matthuis
19-12-2003, 22:11
rewrite the 3rd option how about striving to promote equality in your nation or something?
21-12-2003, 10:58
rewrite the 3rd option how about striving to promote equality in your nation or something?
I did, now there is a limit to the amount of cheering, and he also adds that no nation should have high thoughts about themselfs.
effect: @@REGION@@ soccer games are quite boring events
And I submitted it... :P
21-12-2003, 16:35
The issue is interesting, but I don't quite like the options. They're all still a bit one sided.