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Problem with new issues: Lose-Lose

Southern Illinois
10-11-2003, 15:16
There is one issue in particular, the buried treasure one (sorry, I cannot remember its name). I've gotten it twice, and twice it has screwed me over.

Option 1: Let the people keep all the treasure RESULT: I go from an Anarchy to a Civil Rights Lovefest. B.S. The more cash the people have, the more freedoms they have and more money to spend.

Option 2: Government siezure RESULT: My POLITICAL FREEDOMS go from 'superb' to 'very good'. How the Hell is that possible?! If anything it should be in Civil Rights. And it didn't even fix my economy.

My Advice people, when you get this issue, just dismiss it, it is not even worth the code it is written in.

(For those of you who are curious the 3rd option was on where we cannot dig up buried treasure, we might harm the environment.)
Ackbar
10-11-2003, 16:03
Whatever, rather negative outtake, no? The option to give it to the gov is currently helping my economy come back from implodeded.
Der Angst
10-11-2003, 16:15
afaik civil rights lovefest and anarchy are close together...

I`m not sure how they are defined, but perhaps, if the balance between civil rights and political freedoms is tipped (So that you have several levels (minimum 2) higher civil rights than political freedoms, you switch from anarchy to civil rights lovefest while your political freedoms weren´t harmed. Just because your civil rights increased.

~ DA, wildly speculating without actually knowing
10-11-2003, 17:21
I was under the understanding that the only difference between the two was ecconomic freedom.

Civil rights lovefest: high civil rights, medium ecconomic freedom, high political freedom

Anarchy: all high.

So the the state nationalisation of all hidden gold finds is restricting the finder's freedom to spend it as he likes. This seems perfectly reasonable to me. Interestingly, this option may make your ecconomy stronger, while making it less free - just what more socialist nations should be happy about.
Cogitation
10-11-2003, 17:35
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Heathvillia
10-11-2003, 19:42
yes, I find myself dismissing some like mad, like the human sacrafice one. I have somehow held on to my dear anarchy, but these issues make it hard to keep everything high
Total n Utter Insanity
10-11-2003, 20:40
yes, I find myself dismissing some like mad, like the human sacrafice one.

What kind of warped mind would make an issue about human sacrifice?
Der Angst
11-11-2003, 11:38
yes, I find myself dismissing some like mad, like the human sacrafice one.

What kind of warped mind would make an issue about human sacrifice?

Thats an interesting question :P
The Global Market
11-11-2003, 17:55
Letting people keep it had no effect on me. I think it was another issue that lowered your economic freedom from anarchy to civil rights lovefest.
Sirocco
11-11-2003, 18:09
There is one issue in particular, the buried treasure one (sorry, I cannot remember its name). I've gotten it twice, and twice it has screwed me over.

Option 1: Let the people keep all the treasure RESULT: I go from an Anarchy to a Civil Rights Lovefest. B.S. The more cash the people have, the more freedoms they have and more money to spend.

Option 2: Government siezure RESULT: My POLITICAL FREEDOMS go from 'superb' to 'very good'. How the Hell is that possible?! If anything it should be in Civil Rights. And it didn't even fix my economy.

My Advice people, when you get this issue, just dismiss it, it is not even worth the code it is written in.

(For those of you who are curious the 3rd option was on where we cannot dig up buried treasure, we might harm the environment.)

There's no way to 'win' at any issue, because winning is a relative term. What if you want your nation to have low political freedoms?

The issues should make you think about what you choose, that's what constitutes a good issue. Where there's no clear route to the kind of land you're after: Just like real politics. State pensions for example... every option open to the government there is very controversial.