Confederate flag
OK, I'll give it a try :)
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Issue name: Confederate sympathizers raise Confederate flag.
Issue intro: Several Confederate States sympathizers of @@NAME@@ raised confederate flags in their cities, causing a fall of protests all over the World.
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Option 1 "Are ya'll nuts?" - says NationStates NAACP president @@RANDOMNAME@@. "The Confederates advocated the use of slavery to develop their tobacco industry! I say: let's put an end to racism. Let's organise a world lobby commited to ban the Confederate flag from @@NAME@@."
Option 2 "You miss the point here" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the spiritual advisor of @@NAME@@ government officials. "All these people want is to remember the souls of soldiers that died fighting for the Confederation. Ideology has nothing to do with remembering souls of the brave, even if it politically incorrect to display this flag for more or less valuable reasons.
Option 3 "Do you know why we celebrate this day? Because we are proud of the Confederate cause" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a local farmer. "Today society sticks to Yankee values: everyone just thinks about @@CURRENCY@@. How much of the @@POPULATION@@ citizens go to church today? How much have pro-family and conservative values? It isn't about racism, but I guess we have to blame liberal propaganda.
Option 4 "Don't like my flag? Move up to The North Pacific!"" - says Klanman master @@RANDOMNAME@@. Can't you see multiculturalism is destroying us? People today care more about the purity of their dog's race then their own! Don't like my flag? Emigrate! The Ku Klux Klan will help you in moving without using violence this time."
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Effect 1 Minorities perceive racism everywhere
Effect 2 Citizens have a cult for controversial war heroes
Effect 3 American Pop culure is outlawed
Effect 4 Local Ku Klux Klan helps minorities to leave while celebrating with beer and burning crosses
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Stats 1 Political Freedoms go down but Civil rights go up
Stats 2 Civil Rights unchanged but Political Freedoms go up
Stats 3 Civil Rights go down but Political Freedoms go up, Economy goes down
Stats 4 Civil Rights go down fast along with Political Freedoms and Economy. The way to destroy a nation :)
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The Global Market
03-11-2003, 01:32
A bit too US-specific, if you ask me.
Effect 1 Minorities perceive racism everywhere
Effect 2 Citizens have a cult for Confederate war heroes
Effect 3 American Pop culure is outlawed
Effect 4 Local Ku Klux Klan helps minorities to leave
A bit too US-specific, if you ask me.
Well you know, it is mention of Confederate sympathizers. I know Confederate sympathizers in Canada, Austria and Poland, so.... :D It became an international movement.
The Global Market
03-11-2003, 01:38
A bit too US-specific, if you ask me.
Well you know, it is mention of Confederate sympathizers. I know Confederate sympathizers in Canada, Austria and Poland, so.... :D It became an international movement.
But do any of those places have the KKK or the National Negro Commitee?
Stats 1 Political Freedoms go down but Civil rights go up
Stats 2 Civil Rights unchanged but Political Freedoms go up
Stats 3 Civil Rights go down but Political Freedoms go up, Economy goes down
Stats 4 Civil Rights go down fast along with Political Freedoms and Economy. The way to destroy a nation :)
A bit too US-specific, if you ask me.
Well you know, it is mention of Confederate sympathizers. I know Confederate sympathizers in Canada, Austria and Poland, so.... :D It became an international movement.
Its real world (therefore bad) and has very limited choices, there is also a clear bias.
A bit too US-specific, if you ask me.
Well you know, it is mention of Confederate sympathizers. I know Confederate sympathizers in Canada, Austria and Poland, so.... :D It became an international movement.
But do any of those places have the KKK or the National Negro Commitee?
Or the NAACP?
And, when it says things like, "Don't like my flag? Move up north!" it should probably say something like "Don't like my flag? Move to the northern US!"
But do any of those places have the KKK or the National Negro Commitee?
Yes. The Imperial Ku Klux Klan became an international movement, Klans are in Australia, Canada, Germany, and other countries. As for the NAACP, it is an American speaking for the politics of @@@name@@@. Just like George Bush criticized Irak.
It's a little too real-world for my liking. Good issue, good ideas and so on, but the issues which are getting released are the ones which are generic enough to apply everywhere but specific enough for people to say "hmm, I remember something like that happening".
Too real world? Come on... it's an occasion to learn general culture and a bit of history.
Too real world? Come on... it's an occasion to learn general culture and a bit of history.
It looks more like an excuse to promote white supremacy. If we are going to have issues about the US civil war then why not have issues on the Irish potato famine or the Russian revolution? These things are not relevant to the majority of people.
Too real world? Come on... it's an occasion to learn general culture and a bit of history.
Point taken, but the fact of the matter is that the United States of America doesn't really exist here. Hence they didn't have a Civil War, hence nobody can sympathise with either the Union or the Confederacy.
I have nothing against the concept of the issue and if it could be re-cast to remove the American Civil War references, then there'd be nothing wrong with it.
I have nothing against the concept of the issue and if it could be re-cast to remove the American Civil War references, then there'd be nothing wrong with it.
:D I have edited it. hope it passes. If it needs some more changes, feel free to bring up some ideas so it would pass :P
Athamasha
03-11-2003, 03:25
That's not too biased of an issue.
Too real world? Come on... it's an occasion to learn general culture and a bit of history.
Point taken, but the fact of the matter is that the United States of America doesn't really exist here.
Doesn't it? Then Germany doesn't exist, so there were never any Nazis. But we have a Nazi issue. There is also that "Fight the Axis of Evil" resolution, and there is no North Korea, Iraq, and Iran here.
Oh just nevermind. I just want this issue so bad, so if the US don't exist to make herr moderator happy I won't bother, just edit. :D
NationStates NAACP
The North Pacific
If you ask me, that's worse than using real nations and places in an issue. :/
NationStates NAACP
The North Pacific
If you ask me, that's worse than using real nations and places in an issue. :/
Hey, is there a Education Administrator? A principal of a highly-rated private school?
I'm waiting Enodias or another mod opinion.
Isn't my opinion much more valuable? :wink:
Isn't my opinion much more valuable? :wink:
It's not a question of who's opinion is valuable. It's a question that you have no power to put that issue in the game. And I want it hard dude!
. . . I want it hard dude!
:twisted:
Crimmond
03-11-2003, 05:57
Effect 1 Minorities perceive racism everywhere
Effect 2 Citizens have a cult for Confederate war heroes
Effect 3 American Pop culure is outlawed
Effect 4 Local Ku Klux Klan helps minorities to leave*unammused stare* Every one of these makes the Confederates look bad.
I hate when people do that.
I would edit them with great pleasure (not the KKK one, it's my favorite :) ).
Seriously, this is why it's posted. Tell me what should I change.
Raevyn, I take your point - sarcastic as it may be (and knowing you, it was). That said, the concept of "nazism" can be divorced from the concept of "second world war" quite readily - astonishingly readily if you look at modern-day political rhetoric (here in Australia, the Greens Party has just been accused of being "The nazis by any other name" or something like that), while the concept of "confederate states" is much harder to divorce from the concept of "American civil war".
Free Poland, I'd offer an opinion but I'm not entirely certain what I'm offering it on.
Arf.. :x just make it pass :!:
In the options it should mention that besides being a symbol of racism, it's a symbol of secession. People seem to forget about that...
Raevyn, I take your point - sarcastic as it may be (and knowing you, it was).
:D
OK, I'll give it a try :)
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Issue name: Confederate sympathizers raise Confederate flag.
Issue intro: Several Confederate States sympathizers of @@NAME@@ raised confederate flags in their cities, causing a fall of protests all over the World.
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Confederate flag? Must be those southern Marylanders :wink: :lol:
OK, I'll give it a try :)
The south has the right to honour its war dead who heroically fought a losing war to the bitter end. However, this should not an excuse for sectional triumphalism nor racist sentimentality. :?
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Issue name: Confederate sympathizers raise Confederate flag.
Issue intro: Several Confederate States sympathizers of @@NAME@@ raised confederate flags in their cities, causing a fall of protests all over the World.
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Option 1 "Are ya'll nuts?" - says NationStates NAACP president @@RANDOMNAME@@. "The Confederates advocated the use of slavery to develop their tobacco industry! I say: let's put an end to racism. Let's organise a world lobby commited to ban the Confederate flag from @@NAME@@."
Option 2 "You miss the point here" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the spiritual advisor of @@NAME@@ government officials. "All these people want is to remember the souls of soldiers that died fighting for the Confederation. Ideology has nothing to do with remembering souls of the brave, even if it politically incorrect to display this flag for more or less valuable reasons.
Option 3 "Do you know why we celebrate this day? Because we are proud of the Confederate cause" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a local farmer. "Today society sticks to Yankee values: everyone just thinks about @@CURRENCY@@. How much of the @@POPULATION@@ citizens go to church today? How much have pro-family and conservative values? It isn't about racism, but I guess we have to blame liberal propaganda.
Option 4 "Don't like my flag? Move up to The North Pacific!"" - says Klanman master @@RANDOMNAME@@. Can't you see multiculturalism is destroying us? People today care more about the purity of their dog's race then their own! Don't like my flag? Emigrate! The Ku Klux Klan will help you in moving without using violence this time."
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Effect 1 Minorities perceive racism everywhere
Effect 2 Citizens have a cult for controversial war heroes
Effect 3 American Pop culure is outlawed
Effect 4 Local Ku Klux Klan helps minorities to leave while celebrating with beer and burning crosses
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Stats 1 Political Freedoms go down but Civil rights go up
Stats 2 Civil Rights unchanged but Political Freedoms go up
Stats 3 Civil Rights go down but Political Freedoms go up, Economy goes down
Stats 4 Civil Rights go down fast along with Political Freedoms and Economy. The way to destroy a nation :)
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Well the US Flag represents slavery too. The South DID NOT secede over
slavery (It was the key to Secession.) Rather, it Seceded over Sectional
abuse of the North, High taxes, and the idea that the Southern People is
a seperate people, Mainly.
The civil War wasn't a Civil war because a civil War occurs when
people try to overthrow a Legitimate GOVERNMENT. THE SOUTH
WANTED INDEPENDENCE! THEREFORE IT SHOULD BE CALLED THE
WAR FOR SOUTHERN INDEPENDENCE.
NOT A "CIVIL WAR" :roll:
And the US Constitution allows Secession because ,The Powers not delegated to the federal government that are in that consitution, are
delegated to the States.
And if you read that thing about "any state shall not form a confederation"
crap, it meant, that STATES SHALL NOT FORM A CONFEDERATION INSIDE
THE UNION! BUT SOUTH SECEDED, PUTTING THEM AS INDEPENDENT STATES. the South Seceded legally.
And here's the thing that irks me about the Civil War. When Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered the army, HE SURRENDERED THE ARMY OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA! NO CONFEDERATE ARMY OFFICIAL HAD THE
POWER TO SURRENDER THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA.
ONLY THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT!
When the US Army took the South by force, they set up fake state governments, which in turn resinded the ordiances of Secession, and
forced those back in to The Union. But since they are sattlelite governments, and not the REAL state governments of the South,
this means that the act of Secessions are still in place, and since no
Confederate States official, not even Jeff Davis, surrendered the Confederate States of America to anyone, The C.S.A Still exists.
The South is being lied to. By their own FAKE state governments.
So that proves the point. The Confederate Flag is the symbol of
an Oppressed & Occupied Nation. :twisted:
Because the Segregationists Flew it, and because the KKK began flying it in the 1980's, Everyone now believes that the Confederate Flag is racist..... :roll:
In Short, i hope an issue like this comes out, because that will be cool,
banning or not banning The Confederate Flag.
Crimmond
05-11-2003, 02:45
The KKK started using it in the late 60s not the 80s.
Other than that, you're dead on. Also... Lincoln enacted Marshal Law during the war, but got plugged before he could remove it. No president since then has removed it. Technically, the USA has been under marshal law for over 120 years.
In Short, i hope an issue like this comes out, because that will be cool,
banning or not banning The Confederate Flag.
I concur
Ackbar101
05-11-2003, 13:21
A bit too US-specific, if you ask me.
A bit too US South specific to me. Like the idea, I guess, just afriad it doesn't play globally or nationally....
Hell, the flag became a cult people! Like the Third Reich NSDAP flag. Neonazis of all over the world use the flag, even if it should be in theory only germany-specific.
Would you prefer seeing this issue remodelled into a svastica-flag concept? :?
How about changing it along these lines:
Issue name: rebel sympathizers raise rebel flags.
Issue intro: Several sympathizers of a rebel faction from @@NAME@@'s past have raised rebel flags in their cities, causing protests all over @@NAME@@ since the rebels have been connected with certain racist ideas.
Option 1 "Are you nuts?" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@. "The rebels advocated racism! I say: let's put an end to racism. Let's ban the display of the rebel flag from @@NAME@@."
Option 2 "You miss the point here" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the spiritual adviser of @@NAME@@ government officials. "All these people want is to remember the souls of soldiers that died fighting for the rebel cause. Ideology has nothing to do with remembering souls of the brave, even if it politically incorrect to display this flag for more or less valuable reasons.
Option 3 "Do you know why we celebrate this day? Because we are proud of the rebel cause" - says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a local farmer. "Today society sticks to "modern" values: everyone just thinks about @@CURRENCY@@. How much of the @@POPULATION@@ citizens go to church today? How much have pro-family and conservative values? It isn't about racism, but I guess we have to blame liberal propaganda.
Option 4 "Don't like my flag? Move out of our country!"" - says Talk Show Host @@RANDOMNAME@@. Can't you see multiculturalism is destroying us? We Need to take back our country from foreigners! Don't like my flag? Emigrate! We will help you in moving without using violence this time."
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Effect 1 Your country bans all flags and banners but the national flag.
Effect 2 Citizens have a cult for controversial war heroes
Effect 3 “Modern” culture is outlawed. Citizens follow "traditional" values.
Effect 4 Racists help minorities to leave while celebrating with beer and burning homes.
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Stats 1 Political Freedoms go down but Civil rights go up
Stats 2 Civil Rights unchanged but Political Freedoms go up
Stats 3 Civil Rights go down but Political Freedoms go up, Economy goes down
Stats 4 Civil Rights go down fast along with Political Freedoms and Economy. The way to destroy a nation
Or even
Issue name: Citizens raise controversial flags.
Issue intro: Several citizens have raised controversial flags in their cities, causing protests all over @@NAME@@ since the flag has been connected with certain racist ideas.
Crimmond
05-11-2003, 21:10
I don't see why the last option would destory a nation. :?
Magnus Haakon
06-11-2003, 10:58
What about Southern Maryland??
I don't see why the last option would destory a nation. :?
It probably goes on the assumption that multiculturalism is a cornerstone of a thriving nation. Ethnocentricity, while not the worst thing in the world, can be very boring, and often leads to social stagnation.
Just a thought.
What about Southern Maryland??
The flag in question was not actually the flag for all of the CSA. It was the military banner of one unit of the Confederate army. That unit may have been from Maryland; frankly Senator, I don't recall.