NationStates Jolt Archive

Transsexual Demands Recognition in Chosen Gender

The Issue
After the tabloid magazine "The Bun" outed a supermodel to have been born male, the state has anulled her marriage to her husband.

The Debate
I am puzzled by why I've gotten this issue, since same sex marriage is recognized by the state on what grounds is the state anulling this marriage? Is there any way to flag this so it only comes up in nations which do not accept same sex marriage?

:shock: :? i think your problem is solved

The idea of recognizing a transsexual as their "new" gender is that your example would be considered a straight marriage.

The idea of recognizing a transsexual as their "new" gender is that your example would be considered a straight marriage. I had not thought that the state would recognize same sex marriage as seperate but equal type of marriage and segregate them. Hmmm.

Your best bet is to simply choose in favour of same-sex marriage again. That should prevent you from needing to keep deciding in favour of it. There's a long and involved reason I could give here, but I'll only bore those nations who are legitimately curious.

I believe that everyone should be treated equally even though it may be against a religion or it is plain sick to some! :!:

Well there we go. Need I ask what line you'd take on the issue if you got it? :wink:

Er, shouldn't that Ex-Nation be showing a name...?

Actually this forum is open, so those who are forum banned but still allowed to play the game can post. Don't spread it arround though, there is a reason (actually several) why they were forum banned and this cannot become a place for them to continue thier antics.

I don't enable cookies, so I don't automatically log in. I hit this to see if there was an answer to my issue question and haven't logged in to the forums.

Your best bet is to simply choose in favour of same-sex marriage again. That should prevent you from needing to keep deciding in favour of it. There's a long and involved reason I could give here, but I'll only bore those nations who are legitimately curious.
I'm curious. :D

Actually this forum is open, so those who are forum banned but still allowed to play the game can post. Don't spread it arround though, there is a reason (actually several) why they were forum banned and this cannot become a place for them to continue thier antics.

I don't enable cookies, so I don't automatically log in. I hit this to see if there was an answer to my issue question and haven't logged in to the forums.

Liar. :x

Actually this forum is open, so those who are forum banned but still allowed to play the game can post. Don't spread it arround though, there is a reason (actually several) why they were forum banned and this cannot become a place for them to continue thier antics.

I don't enable cookies, so I don't automatically log in. I hit this to see if there was an answer to my issue question and haven't logged in to the forums.

Liar. :x

Not quite.

It was open, now its not.

Your best bet is to simply choose in favour of same-sex marriage again. That should prevent you from needing to keep deciding in favour of it. There's a long and involved reason I could give here, but I'll only bore those nations who are legitimately curious.
I'm curious. :D

OK. What happens is that there are some issues which, instead of (or as well as) moving variables like the amount of civil rights you have up and down, they create a "policy variable". So, for example, you ban elections in your nation - this lowers the amount of civil rights but also creates the policy of "no elections", which allows you to receive certain other issues and prevents you from receiving ones which imply that you have elections.

Now, allowing same-sex marriage should logically be a policy variable - particularly in reference to the issue "Where's the Love Gone?" which allows a nation to actively allow same-sex marriage. The catch is that it wasn't one until very recently when we noticed the oversight. The "Transsexual Demands Recognition in Chosen Gender" issue will actually create the policy of "same-sex marriage" if you choose appropriately. This will then allow you to receive some other issues and also prevent you from receiving ones in which same-sex marriage is implied not to exist.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Now, allowing same-sex marriage should logically be a policy variable. <snip> The "Transsexual Demands Recognition in Chosen Gender" issue will actually create the policy of "same-sex marriage" if you choose appropriately. This will then allow you to receive some other issues and also prevent you from receiving ones in which same-sex marriage is implied not to exist.

Hopefully that makes sense.

But that only makes sense, policy wise, if you still consider the trans person to be of their "original" gender. I don't think you guys get this at ALL, that if Christopher becomes Krista and marries a man, that is NOT same-sex marriage. Gay and trans are not the same. The point of gender reassignment is that you are now, in all respects, considered to be the adopted gender.

Edit: By your argument, Krista could marry a woman and have it legally be considered a straight marriage. Somehow I doubt that is what the DOMA proponents have in mind. :wink:

Now, allowing same-sex marriage should logically be a policy variable. <snip> The "Transsexual Demands Recognition in Chosen Gender" issue will actually create the policy of "same-sex marriage" if you choose appropriately. This will then allow you to receive some other issues and also prevent you from receiving ones in which same-sex marriage is implied not to exist.

Hopefully that makes sense.

But that only makes sense, policy wise, if you still consider the trans person to be of their "original" gender. I don't think you guys get this at ALL, that if Christopher becomes Krista and marries a man, that is NOT same-sex marriage. Gay and trans are not the same. The point of gender reassignment is that you are now, in all respects, considered to be the adopted gender.

Edit: By your argument, Krista could marry a woman and have it legally be considered a straight marriage. Somehow I doubt that is what the DOMA proponents have in mind. :wink:

True true, but actually coding that would be much harder. Given that the original submission of the issue contained the validity caveat that it wasn't valid "where same-sex marriage has been legalised", then I thought it was probably easier to overlook many of the technicalities.

Given that the original poster here was saying that the issue was peculiar because s/he'd permitted same-sex marriage, then it seems as though some of my reasoning was justified.

After all, the bottom line in this game is that it's realistic but not reality.

After all, the bottom line in this game is that it's realistic but not reality.

What? :shock: There's a world outside my computer? With people who talk rather than type to communicate? Nah, quit messin' with my head, man! 8)

I have heard rumors of something known as "real life," but I'm not sure if it exsists.

What option should I vote for to improve my civil rights?

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Without having a copy of it lying around, I can't remember which option is which. From memory, though, two options have a positive movement in civil rights - both of them are easy enough to divine.